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(KSL Salt Lake City)   There's a right way, and a wrong way, to pay a $25 bill with pennies. This asshat chose the wrong way (with pics)   (ksl.com) divider line 90
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2012-09-21 06:24:54 AM  
2,500 thoughts, and none of them were "this may backfire on me"
 
2012-09-21 06:27:09 AM  
That's about right for a Utard. (sigh) Yeah I live here. And what's with the reporter's voice? Sounds like a muppet.
 
2012-09-21 06:31:05 AM  
It's so much fun to watch these idiots who think they're proving a point dig themselves deeper into the hole.
 
2012-09-21 06:32:08 AM  
No, there is no right way to pay with pennies. You're not sticking it to The Man; you are annoying front-line staff who have nothing to do with your little gripe.
 
2012-09-21 06:35:45 AM  
Hauling 2500 pennies from the bank to the car, from the car to the office, slosh slosh, slosh. Nowhere did reason kick in?
 
2012-09-21 06:35:49 AM  
Remember, if it's over a dollar in all pennys, then you can refuse it and still demand proper payment :3
 
2012-09-21 06:41:35 AM  
Note to self: remove miniature Wishing Well from receptionist's desk.
 
2012-09-21 06:44:53 AM  
Will this guy pay his $140 fine in pennies?
 
2012-09-21 06:48:43 AM  
Did he pay with AssPennies?
 
2012-09-21 06:56:59 AM  

JOHN MCENROE MY CHILDHOOD NEMESIS: Did he pay with AssPennies?


Possibly the best comedy sketch ever.
 
2012-09-21 07:00:35 AM  
FTFA "Before pouring out his payment, however, West yelled at the clinic staff and used abusive language"
"He was lambasting the receptionist over a bill," said Linda Olsen, who described West as "loud" and "indignant."

Dear God! Abusive language? Loud and indignant??

fark this guy, he needs to go away for life! People have FEELINGS!

/sarcasm
 
2012-09-21 07:00:57 AM  

T-Bone42: No, there is no right way to pay with pennies. You're not sticking it to The Man; you are annoying front-line staff who have nothing to do with your little gripe.


This.

I never understood how people think they're sending a message by paying a bill in pennies; unless they want that message to be "Look what a spoiled retard I am."
 
2012-09-21 07:07:41 AM  

T-Bone42: No, there is no right way to pay with pennies. You're not sticking it to The Man; you are annoying front-line staff who have nothing to do with your little gripe.


From the article: Clinic receptionist Kory McCurdy also testified that West's conduct made her nervous. That nervousness intensified, she said, when West told her "I want to apologize for what I'm about to do. It's not your fault," before he reached into a bag he was carrying.

So "About to blow my head off" fears aside, it seems this guy did realize he was about to fark over the receptionist and not "The Man." But this farkhead didn't care. He may as well have said, "Sorry, but I'm about to be an incredible douche to you for something you had no part in."
 
2012-09-21 07:13:47 AM  

sniderman: T-Bone42: No, there is no right way to pay with pennies. You're not sticking it to The Man; you are annoying front-line staff who have nothing to do with your little gripe.

From the article: Clinic receptionist Kory McCurdy also testified that West's conduct made her nervous. That nervousness intensified, she said, when West told her "I want to apologize for what I'm about to do. It's not your fault," before he reached into a bag he was carrying.

So "About to blow my head off" fears aside, it seems this guy did realize he was about to fark over the receptionist and not "The Man." But this farkhead didn't care. He may as well have said, "Sorry, but I'm about to be an incredible douche to you for something you had no part in."


Yeah. Working retail, I deal with people pissed off about all kinds of things. I always hate it when the next part of the tirade starts with "I know this isn't your fault, but..."

If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?
 
2012-09-21 07:18:02 AM  
Stewart pointed out that none of the clinic staff felt the incident was threatening enough warrant a call to police. Then one of the doctor's learned about it and told them to report it.

And when West's behavior was reported to Central Dispatch, both the person reporting it and the dispatcher could be heard laughing in a recording of the call that was played in court.


BS he was fined.
 
2012-09-21 07:23:45 AM  
"....none of the clinic staff felt the incident was threatening enough warrant a call to police."

The fark? You though he might have a gun then he threw a bowl of pennies at you and you didn't that was serious enough to report to the police?
 
2012-09-21 07:25:54 AM  
"Sounded like a gunshot"? Really?

Do we need a journalists guide to sounds now?

gunshot,gunshot,gunshot,gunshot,gunshot,gunshot,gunshot, baby crying, gunshot,gunshot,gunshot
 
2012-09-21 07:28:32 AM  
Excuse me while I whip this out.
 
2012-09-21 07:35:30 AM  
Clearly the guy didn't use much reason in determining this course of action; people accepting the payment usually can't do anything about it. It's the reason why I always try to be nice to people who field my complaints - they didn't cause the problem, and probably can't do anything to solve it.

That being said, I can understand why people are furious about being charged fees when they don't even owe anything. I recently heard a friend who is self-employed talk to an insurance company for 90 minutes trying to address the problem of erroneous and out-of-network charges. In the middle of the day. Time that he should have spent working. You can't reason with these people, they just repeat things like "I'm seeing that you owe $xx.xx for _____ on __/__/__."

The common person has very little recourse to argue on these types of charges. It's easier and cheaper just to pay the 25 bucks, even if you don't owe it. But doesn't that encourage businesses to fraudulently charge customers under threat of decline in credit rating or wasting lots of time trying to solve the problem? Sometimes people get pissed off about these things. I don't care if it's 5 bucks, I don't like being extorted. I'm sure the guy who paid in pennies thought he was in the right, and took his anger out in the only way he thought he had the power to do it. He does claim not to have been angry or violent at the time. 

Link to original article
 
2012-09-21 07:39:57 AM  
FTFA: Then one of the doctor's learned about it and told them to report it.

One of the doctor's WHAT? Assistants? Wives? Concubines? Don't leave me hangin'!

/stupid writer.
 
2012-09-21 07:42:03 AM  
lets see u KNOW there are 2500 pennies? why aren't they wrapped up in 50 cent rolls??
50 rolls of pennies is MUCH MUCH easier to deal with..
 
2012-09-21 07:45:32 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: lets see u KNOW there are 2500 pennies? why aren't they wrapped up in 50 cent rolls??
50 rolls of pennies is MUCH MUCH easier to deal with..


Because that would eliminate the whole "being an asshole" part.
 
2012-09-21 07:52:29 AM  

Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?


I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.
 
2012-09-21 07:54:20 AM  
Obvious consumerist reader LOL
 
2012-09-21 07:59:22 AM  
it was the bowl full of pennies, which witnesses said he unloaded with enough force that it sounded like a gun had been fired.

Acording to my research (namely pulling facts straight out of my ass) 2,500 pennies on a desk sounds exactly like a Glock-47.
Side note: 250 pennies sounds like a silenced Glock-47 firing teflon coated, explosive cop killer bullets.
 
2012-09-21 08:15:59 AM  

serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.


lol...So YOU'RE the guy that (as a fellow customer) I get to call out in public, for being a douchewaffle to the cashier, because that poor girl can't tell you to cram it in your cramhole.

But I can. And I do. Because DOUCHEWAFFLE.
 
2012-09-21 08:20:51 AM  

Summercat: Remember, if it's over a dollar in all pennys, then you can refuse it and still demand proper payment :3


Ummm...I think you might be half wrong. For the purchase of good and services, a seller can refuse different types of payments (too many pennies or too large of a bill). But for the payment of a debt, all legal tender has to be accepted. Now of course you cannot throw a bowl of coins at someone but if all the pennies were rolled, then they would have to be accepted.
 
2012-09-21 08:21:21 AM  
"he said he calmly asked the office manager, "Do you take cash?" He was prepared to pay with his debit card, he said, but found out that wasn't necessary."


How he thinks he handles himself:
i49.tinypic.com

How he really acts when things don't go his way.
i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-21 08:29:25 AM  

serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.


Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?
 
2012-09-21 08:33:00 AM  
Sounds like everyone was a drama whore in this.
 
2012-09-21 08:34:07 AM  
Anyone who thinks this guy should have been punished for this is a pabst blue ribbon pansy who loves to bend over when a company farks you in the ass.
 
2012-09-21 08:34:59 AM  

halB: Anyone who thinks this guy should have been punished for this is a pabst blue ribbon pansy who loves to bend over when a company farks you in the ass.


i would have just scanned my ATM card like a NORMAL PERSON and been on my way?
 
2012-09-21 08:36:30 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?


Youre right! And firemen shouldn't be forced to run into burning buildings, nor mailmen to deliver mail in the rain.
 
2012-09-21 08:39:16 AM  

halB: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?

Youre right! And firemen shouldn't be forced to run into burning buildings, nor mailmen to deliver mail in the rain.


You're trying to do too much too quickly. The wording is passable but you need to throttle back a little with your timing.
6/10
 
2012-09-21 08:41:19 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?


Anger right of the bat at the first tier of service is always wrong. But if I am talking to a person who can't help after I explain the problem , and won't put me in touch with someone who can then yes it is ok to yell.

I have had cable, credit card, insurance, hospitals, and airlines tell me "there is nothing they could do, and that they couldn't put me through to a supervisor" While in all of those cases, expressing anger with a raised voice and sometime asking if I could talk to someoen who isn't an idiot has gotten the problems solved.
 
2012-09-21 08:45:08 AM  
Defense mechanisms in people are usually passive. They're not actively done, they just happen as a reaction. Maybe they just want to get more money out of this guy.
 
2012-09-21 08:45:32 AM  
I read that as "pay a $25 bill with penises".
 
2012-09-21 08:51:10 AM  

liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?

Anger right of the bat at the first tier of service is always wrong. But if I am talking to a person who can't help after I explain the problem , and won't put me in touch with someone who can then yes it is ok to yell.

I have had cable, credit card, insurance, hospitals, and airlines tell me "there is nothing they could do, and that they couldn't put me through to a supervisor" While in all of those cases, expressing anger with a raised voice and sometime asking if I could talk to someoen who isn't an idiot has gotten the problems solved.


I've never been completely road blocked by a "front line" employee. If I can't be helped by the person I'm talking to I ask to talk with someone else who maybe can. Nobody has ever said "No, you can't talk to anyone else."

I dunno. Maybe it's because I don't start the exchange off with an, "I will be a flaming cock in exactly 30 seconds if I don't get what I want." vibe. I've worked retail in the past and know first hand that there is just something about the aura of assholes that's nearly palpable. It doesn't matter how calm they try to behave at the beginning, you can just smell the bad attitude on them. Try not being a dick and see where that gets ya.
 
2012-09-21 08:54:10 AM  
Who amonst us hasn't felt that way at the auto service station, the dentist, the cable company, the credit card company AT+T, the IRS, the bordel . . . well, not everywhere I 'spose. There are some places that give bl. . . value for money charged though.
 
2012-09-21 08:57:39 AM  
You want to pay in pennies? Sure. Just kindly count them out in stacks of 10 pennies each so I can accept them.

Oops. I knocked over a couple of stacks.

Oh clumsy me.

Call me Brintney, cause oops. I did it again.

That table really isn't very stable. I just bumped it a little and they fell over.

and so on.
 
2012-09-21 09:00:43 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?


Im inclined to agree with him. The system is purposely set up so you HAVE to deal with the powerless front line worker... if I have a problem, guess who's catching the flak? Not my farking problem. If they dont like getting yelled at, they can pass it up the line that customers dont like X bullshiat policy and that they are making scenes in front of other clients and customers.
 
2012-09-21 09:00:52 AM  

Next day headlines:

Worker at Health Care Clinic Finds Rare Penny

Worth millions! "Now I can retire" says former Health Care Clinic employee.
 
2012-09-21 09:02:17 AM  
When your going to be a jerk, think about your delivery.
 
2012-09-21 09:04:02 AM  

liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?

Anger right of the bat at the first tier of service is always wrong. But if I am talking to a person who can't help after I explain the problem , and won't put me in touch with someone who can then yes it is ok to yell.

I have had cable, credit card, insurance, hospitals, and airlines tell me "there is nothing they could do, and that they couldn't put me through to a supervisor" While in all of those cases, expressing anger with a raised voice and sometime asking if I could talk to someoen who isn't an idiot has gotten the problems solved.


Also this. As someone who has worked customer service, I can tell you that the loud assholes usually get exactly what they want, because the employees dont dont want to deal with it.
 
2012-09-21 09:09:04 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?


Let me be clear, I think the guy in TFA crossed a line. But, every time that a customer service representative has told me that they're not the person I should be mad at, it has been in much calmer scenarios where any amount of anger I was directing at their company was justified, and they were the right person to channel my complaint.

CSB time: I rented a uhaul truck to move from a storage unit into an apartment. It only took a couple of hours, but once I was done and got ready to send the truck back, it wouldn't start. So I went through the hoops of calling various people and dealing with various levels of incompetence. It ended up being 10 hours (2:00AM, before they finally towed that stupid truck away).
Anyhow, the next morning I woke up at 6:00AM to hear my phone ringing, got to it just as it was going to voicemail. So I listened to the voicemail and it was a rude, almost threatening message from the local uhaul office about me not having returned the truck on time. So I called back, asked for the guy who left the message, told him my story with enough emotionally charged language as was appropriate. You know what he says to me? "hey, hey, stop yelling at me, I'm not the one who made the truck break, I'm not the one who made all the mechanics in the area busy, I'm not the one who sent the tow truck to the wrong address on the other side of town (note: "town" in this case is Houston), etc etc".
Yeah, but you are the asshole who ripped into me first without having all your facts. He did apologize for the voicemail after that, but he shouldn't have copped that attitude in the first place. I doubt it was the first or last time that guy made an angry phone call when it was really his company's fault.
 
2012-09-21 09:13:47 AM  
I read that as venereal.
 
2012-09-21 09:17:37 AM  

Alonjar: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?

Im inclined to agree with him. The system is purposely set up so you HAVE to deal with the powerless front line worker... if I have a problem, guess who's catching the flak? Not my farking problem. If they dont like getting yelled at, they can pass it up the line that customers dont like X bullshiat policy and that they are making scenes in front of other clients and customers.


Exactly. A good customer service representative cares about their business enough that, if your anger is justified, they'll get just as angry when you tell them your story, and they'll take it to the person who's ultimately responsible for the anger.

On the other hand, your CEO can give himself a huge bonus if he stocks the call centers with nincompoops who appear to have great throughput because they can ignore 10 callers in the same amount of time that the good employee can satisfy one.
 
2012-09-21 09:24:20 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I've never been completely road blocked by a "front line" employee. If I can't be helped by the person I'm talking to I ask to talk with someone else who maybe can. Nobody has ever said "No, you can't talk to anyone else."


I have been told a number of times, that no they can't put me on phone with their supervisor, and they woudl say the same thing.


Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I dunno. Maybe it's because I don't start the exchange off with an, "I will be a flaming cock in exactly 30 seconds if I don't get what I want." vibe.


Didn't take you long to become a flaming dick in this post, did it?


I've worked retail in the past and know first hand that there is just something about the aura of assholes that's nearly palpable. It doesn't matter how calm they try to behave at the beginning, you can just smell the bad attitude on them. .

If your company has ripped someone off, or given them horrible service they shouldn't have a "good attitude" towards your organization. Most people, when they have gotten ripped off or screwed over by a company want to spend as little time as possible fixing it.

I have worked in retail, and at hotels with people you who get butt-hurt when someone doesn't want to waste any extra time trying to get something they didn't fark up get fixed. They don't get, that unlike the customer it is their job to fix it, so little passive agressive slow down just means they are shiatty at their job.


Try not being a dick and see where that gets ya

In all those cases "not being a dick" (not in every case) got me nothing. It got me ripped off or repeat terrible service. Being an asshole fixed the problem.
 
2012-09-21 09:30:48 AM  

serial_crusher: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?

Let me be clear, I think the guy in TFA crossed a line. But, every time that a customer service representative has told me that they're not the person I should be mad at, it has been in much calmer scenarios where any amount of anger I was directing at their company was justified, and they were the right person to channel my complaint.

CSB time: I rented a uhaul truck to move from a storage unit into an apartment. It only took a couple of hours, but once I was done and got ready to send the truck back, it wouldn't start. So I went through the hoops of calling various people and dealing with various levels of incompetence. It ended up being 10 hours (2:00AM, before they finally towed that stupid truck away).
Anyhow, the next morning I woke up at 6:00AM to hear my phone ringing, got to it just as it was going to voicemail. So I listened to the voicemail and it was a rude, almost threatening message from the local uhaul office about me not having returned the truck on time. So I called back, asked for the guy who left the message, told him my story with enough emotionally charged language as was appropriate. You know what he says to me? "hey, hey, stop yelling at me, I'm not the one who made the truck break, I'm not the one who made all the mechanics in the area busy, I'm not the one who sent the tow truck to the wrong address on the other side of town (note: "town" in this case is Houston), etc etc".
Yeah, but you are the asshole who ripped into me first without having all your facts. He did apologize for the voicemail after th ...


Alonjar: liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?

Anger right of the bat at the first tier of service is always wrong. But if I am talking to a person who can't help after I explain the problem , and won't put me in touch with someone who can then yes it is ok to yell.

I have had cable, credit card, insurance, hospitals, and airlines tell me "there is nothing they could do, and that they couldn't put me through to a supervisor" While in all of those cases, expressing anger with a raised voice and sometime asking if I could talk to someoen who isn't an idiot has gotten the problems solved.

Also this. As someone who has worked customer service, I can tell you that the loud assholes usually get exactly what they want, because the employees dont dont want to deal with it.


liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I've never been completely road blocked by a "front line" employee. If I can't be helped by the person I'm talking to I ask to talk with someone else who maybe can. Nobody has ever said "No, you can't talk to anyone else."

I have been told a number of times, that no they can't put me on phone with their supervisor, and they woudl say the same thing.


Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I dunno. Maybe it's because I don't start the exchange off with an, "I will be a flaming cock in exactly 30 seconds if I don't get what I want." vibe.

Didn't take you long to become a flaming dick in this post, did it?


I've worked retail in the past and know first hand that there is just something about the aura of assholes that's nearly palpable. It doesn't matter how calm they try to behave at the beginning, you can just smell the bad attitude on them. .

If your company has ripped someone off, or given them horrible service they shouldn't have a "good attitude" towards your organization. Most people, when they have gotten ripped off or screwed over by a company want to spend as little time as possible fixing it.

I have worked in retail, and at hotels with people you who get butt-hurt when someone doesn't want to waste any extra time trying to get something they didn't fark up get fixed. They don't get, that unlike the customer it is their job to fix it, so little passive agressive slow down just means they are shiatty at their job.


Try not being a dick and see where that gets ya

In all those cases "not being a dick" (not in every case) got me nothing. It got me ripped off or repeat terrible service. Being an asshole fixed the problem.




At this point, halB, you should be taking notes.
 
2012-09-21 09:33:43 AM  

Alonjar: Im inclined to agree with him. The system is purposely set up so you HAVE to deal with the powerless front line worker... if I have a problem, guess who's catching the flak? Not my farking problem. If they dont like getting yelled at, they can pass it up the line that customers dont like X bullshiat policy and that they are making scenes in front of other clients and customers


This.

I flew AA and had a reservation, paid ahead of time, but when I got the airport they said there wa sa problem and needed to see my credit card. I thought no problem, no way they would charge me twice, right? Wrong. Two charges for Mr Liam 76, and two seats on the same plane. when I called to complain I was told it was two people named liam 76 flying the plane. After about 5 minutes of hearing how they don't make mistakes like that and they won't put me on with a supervisor, I flip out. I finally get a supervisor who refunds the ticket, but refunds the first one i paid for (that didn't have the 25 dollar "service fee" for buying it in the airport).

These companies know they fark up, they know they fark up big time, and it is cost effecient for them to have monkeys on the line who can't help rather than pay for their mistakes.
 
2012-09-21 09:37:45 AM  

serial_crusher: Alonjar: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?

Im inclined to agree with him. The system is purposely set up so you HAVE to deal with the powerless front line worker... if I have a problem, guess who's catching the flak? Not my farking problem. If they dont like getting yelled at, they can pass it up the line that customers dont like X bullshiat policy and that they are making scenes in front of other clients and customers.

Exactly. A good customer service representative cares about their business enough that, if your anger is justified, they'll get just as angry when you tell them your story, and they'll take it to the person who's ultimately responsible for the anger.

On the other hand, your CEO can give himself a huge bonus if he stocks the call centers with nincompoops who appear to have great throughput because they can ignore 10 callers in the same amount of time that the good employee can satisfy one.


Ha ha ha ha!!!
 
2012-09-21 10:02:38 AM  
fark that writer. You can try as hard as you like, but the guy didn't pull a gun out of the bag and fire it.
 
2012-09-21 10:06:00 AM  

Lachwen: sniderman: T-Bone42: No, there is no right way to pay with pennies. You're not sticking it to The Man; you are annoying front-line staff who have nothing to do with your little gripe.

From the article: Clinic receptionist Kory McCurdy also testified that West's conduct made her nervous. That nervousness intensified, she said, when West told her "I want to apologize for what I'm about to do. It's not your fault," before he reached into a bag he was carrying.

So "About to blow my head off" fears aside, it seems this guy did realize he was about to fark over the receptionist and not "The Man." But this farkhead didn't care. He may as well have said, "Sorry, but I'm about to be an incredible douche to you for something you had no part in."

Yeah. Working retail, I deal with people pissed off about all kinds of things. I always hate it when the next part of the tirade starts with "I know this isn't your fault, but..."

If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?


I think the past tense of strew is strewn, not strewed.
 
2012-09-21 10:08:25 AM  

T-Bone42: No, there is no right way to pay with pennies. You're not sticking it to The Man; you are annoying front-line staff who have nothing to do with your little gripe.


You're just flat out wrong about that. The entire point is to civilly disrupt the operations of the front office in order to protest. The clerk is the employee and representative of the one receiving the complaint, the goal is to make the clerk's time cost more than the fine in order to protest the fine. The goal is to prevent the organization collecting the fine from actually profiting from it. There's no reason to be disorderly about it. Ideally, you'd collect enough fines to hold up the entire organization for a couple days by pay each fine sequentially at all available cashiers.
 
2012-09-21 10:20:02 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: I read that as venereal.


I read it as "venal".

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-21 10:24:44 AM  

Revek: When your going to be a jerk, think about your delivery.


CSB: for years, we, worked with another contractor frequently, and he was always borrowing tools from us, scaffolding, space heaters, air tools, etc. It was a nuisance, but not a big deal. Then I found out he was charging the general contractor rent on our tools. A few months later, he billed us for some small repair that he did for us: $25. I put 2500 pennies in a paper bag and took it to his job site. Just before I gave it to him, I dipped the bag in a bucket of water.
 
2012-09-21 10:26:38 AM  

liam76: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: serial_crusher: Lachwen: If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?

I never really got this attitude. I'm mad at the company. You're the person the company hired to deal with people, even when they're mad. No matter how much I'm yelling, I'm yelling at the company, not at you. Stop taking it personally and do your job.

Are you just being "edgy", or do you really think that's okay?

Anger right of the bat at the first tier of service is always wrong. But if I am talking to a person who can't help after I explain the problem , and won't put me in touch with someone who can then yes it is ok to yell.

I have had cable, credit card, insurance, hospitals, and airlines tell me "there is nothing they could do, and that they couldn't put me through to a supervisor" While in all of those cases, expressing anger with a raised voice and sometime asking if I could talk to someoen who isn't an idiot has gotten the problems solved.


In dealing with vendors, I have lost my temper exactly once (and it was a very controlled outburst). I basically restated what part of what they were telling me I considered unreasonable (in clear language to point out where I felt it failed the smell test), I stated what I wanted as the resolution, and I did all this to a regional sales director who had the power to solve my problem. While i was yelling, I never cursed, never made an unreasonable or undeliverable request, and always gave them a way to salvage a 'win' out of the situation. It worked.
 
2012-09-21 10:42:47 AM  
Old wisdom:You'll attract more flies with honey, rather than vinegar.

Fark:*drops pants* *pisses vinegar on everything*
 
2012-09-21 10:45:08 AM  
$25?? Was it a copay or did they give him an aspirin.
 
2012-09-21 10:45:59 AM  

MycroftHolmes: In dealing with vendors, I have lost my temper exactly once (and it was a very controlled outburst). I basically restated what part of what they were telling me I considered unreasonable (in clear language to point out where I felt it failed the smell test), I stated what I wanted as the resolution, and I did all this to a regional sales director who had the power to solve my problem. While i was yelling, I never cursed, never made an unreasonable or undeliverable request, and always gave them a way to salvage a 'win' out of the situation. It worked


Losing your temper is, to me, flipping out and cursing with no realistic expectation of it fixing things.

I don't do that.

And in a lot of the cases there is no real "win". When an airline charges you for another ticket when you check in, there is no "win" for them. When an insurance company tries not deny a claim there is no "win" for them in making them pay. It is only a matter of if you are going to allow a company to screw you or not.
 
2012-09-21 10:52:19 AM  
Go to the damn Coinstar machine and get yourself a no fee gift certificate or charity donation.
 
2012-09-21 11:05:03 AM  

liam76: MycroftHolmes: In dealing with vendors, I have lost my temper exactly once (and it was a very controlled outburst). I basically restated what part of what they were telling me I considered unreasonable (in clear language to point out where I felt it failed the smell test), I stated what I wanted as the resolution, and I did all this to a regional sales director who had the power to solve my problem. While i was yelling, I never cursed, never made an unreasonable or undeliverable request, and always gave them a way to salvage a 'win' out of the situation. It worked

Losing your temper is, to me, flipping out and cursing with no realistic expectation of it fixing things.

I don't do that.

And in a lot of the cases there is no real "win". When an airline charges you for another ticket when you check in, there is no "win" for them. When an insurance company tries not deny a claim there is no "win" for them in making them pay. It is only a matter of if you are going to allow a company to screw you or not.


For me, the win is allowing the vendor a way out of the current situation while still maintaining acceptable customer service. Front line people do not care so much about company reputation, so you need to escalate to a manager. When you do so, you have to stay reasonable and let them know that there are still ways that you can be satisified. Usually, in most but the most apathetic organizations (and they do exist), the managers do care and want to satisfy the customer.

Once the classify you as a 'can't win', either because you are too angry to be mollified, or because your requested mitigation is not reasonable or proportionate (think 'My soup was cold, I want the entire meal comped!!!' versus 'My soup was cold, would it be possible to get a fresh bowl') they will recognize that they are going to have a negative encounter, and then they just want to end it as soon as possible.
 
2012-09-21 11:12:29 AM  

Mr Guy: T-Bone42: No, there is no right way to pay with pennies. You're not sticking it to The Man; you are annoying front-line staff who have nothing to do with your little gripe.

You're just flat out wrong about that. The entire point is to civilly disrupt the operations of the front office in order to protest. The clerk is the employee and representative of the one receiving the complaint, the goal is to make the clerk's time cost more than the fine in order to protest the fine. The goal is to prevent the organization collecting the fine from actually profiting from it. There's no reason to be disorderly about it. Ideally, you'd collect enough fines to hold up the entire organization for a couple days by pay each fine sequentially at all available cashiers.


So the guy in TFA should have paid off his $25 bill at the rate of one penny per day, and demanded an itemized receipt for each payment.
 
2012-09-21 11:18:30 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: So the guy in TFA should have paid off his $25 bill at the rate of one penny per day, and demanded an itemized receipt for each payment.


If he was actually protesting, and not just being a dickhole, then that would certainly be more effective.
 
2012-09-21 11:24:37 AM  

Mr Guy: BarkingUnicorn: So the guy in TFA should have paid off his $25 bill at the rate of one penny per day, and demanded an itemized receipt for each payment.

If he was actually protesting, and not just being a dickhole, then that would certainly be more effective.


I like the idea, but it's just as time-consuming for him as it is for the company. While it's sometimes important to show your dedication to sticking to someone, a solution where he has to do little to no work would be optimal. Outsource that job to an illegal immigrant who doesn't speak English (and ideally doesn't speak Spanish either, just in case). That way the company can't give him the runaround as he tries to do his job.
 
2012-09-21 11:29:29 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: So the guy in TFA should have paid off his $25 bill at the rate of one penny per day, and demanded an itemized receipt for each payment.


Yes. Creating more work for the clerk in accounts receivable is really going to ... ... ...
 
2012-09-21 11:30:41 AM  

Lachwen: sniderman: T-Bone42: No, there is no right way to pay with pennies. You're not sticking it to The Man; you are annoying front-line staff who have nothing to do with your little gripe.

From the article: Clinic receptionist Kory McCurdy also testified that West's conduct made her nervous. That nervousness intensified, she said, when West told her "I want to apologize for what I'm about to do. It's not your fault," before he reached into a bag he was carrying.

So "About to blow my head off" fears aside, it seems this guy did realize he was about to fark over the receptionist and not "The Man." But this farkhead didn't care. He may as well have said, "Sorry, but I'm about to be an incredible douche to you for something you had no part in."

Yeah. Working retail, I deal with people pissed off about all kinds of things. I always hate it when the next part of the tirade starts with "I know this isn't your fault, but..."

If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?


Sometimes you've called a phone line 10 times, and the company is trying to charge you for something they shouldn't. And sometimes that charge is hundreds of dollars that you don't owe.

Each time you've called you've been treated poorly, hung up on, ignored, transferred to 10 other departments, all of which say they can't help you.

At some point, you give up on being nice. If the bill isn't paid (because they said you owe them money, even though you don't), your credit gets screwed up. And any mark on your credit will stay with you for about 7 years.

If the person on the other side of the line doesn't sound like they *genuinely care* and are *doing something* to solve your problem, you let it all out of them. -Not their fault entirely, and you let them know it, but *someone* at that company is going to have to be yelled at for the incompetence of all of the others. Sometimes, this is the only way to get things solved if you've already called several times about it.

i.e. I've tried being nice the first several times I've called your company and your staff has still disrespected me or dismissed me... now it's time for me to be an asshole (sorry you are the one to get the brunt of it, but if you *really* cared, you'd quit your job or tell your asshole coworkers and boss to get their shiat in order).
 
2012-09-21 11:36:34 AM  
FTFA: Clinic receptionist Kory McCurdy also testified that West's conduct made her nervous. That nervousness intensified, she said, when West told her "I want to apologize for what I'm about to do. It's not your fault," before he reached into a bag he was carrying.

This dude is lucky he wasn't shot when he reached for the bag...
 
2012-09-21 11:46:48 AM  

Summercat: Remember, if it's over a dollar in all pennys, then you can refuse it and still demand proper payment :3


Not true for a service already rendered.
 
2012-09-21 12:00:08 PM  
I've done that before (without the dumping). Order them sealed from the bank and drop off the trays. I think if you have a gripe with the organization, but are still obligated to pay it's a great dick move. You know like you run over a meter say ten mins in a city with absurd tickets ($5-10 is fine but $50 is stupid and not reasonable; there are cities out there that charge that). It's also a good workout carrying $50+ in pennies. Yeah it just is a pain for the staff that have to move them, but fark them, you work for the organization that makes money on stupid crap like that, you are guilty too.

As for this ass hat. Don't be a dildo and scare people.
 
2012-09-21 12:08:42 PM  
I would have made him count out all the pennies before accepting them.  I'm sure some of them were lost when they rolled off the desk, then when he was short tell him you can't accept payment or charge him a late fee.
 
2012-09-21 12:09:07 PM  

Gabrielmot: If the person on the other side of the line doesn't sound like they *genuinely care*


Does someone need a carebear with that?
 
2012-09-21 12:12:47 PM  

MycroftHolmes: For me, the win is allowing the vendor a way out of the current situation while still maintaining acceptable customer service. Front line people do not care so much about company reputation, so you need to escalate to a manager. When you do so, you have to stay reasonable and let them know that there are still ways that you can be satisified. Usually, in most but the most apathetic organizations (and they do exist), the managers do care and want to satisfy the customer.


It is reasonable not to be charged double for one service, it is reasonable for insurance to cover soemthing they say they will. There is no "mid point" or both sides are happy when one party is completely breaking the contract.


MycroftHolmes: Once the classify you as a 'can't win', either because you are too angry to be mollified, or because your requested mitigation is not reasonable or proportionate (think 'My soup was cold, I want the entire meal comped!!!' versus 'My soup was cold, would it be possible to get a fresh bowl') they will recognize that they are going to have a negative encounter, and then they just want to end it as soon as possible


You are really missing my point. In most of the cases where I had to get mad to get the right people to do things it wasn't a "win" situation. It was companies blantantly ripping me off.
 
2012-09-21 12:31:08 PM  
CSB: Lady at a grocery store one time refused to accept my pennies. My total was like $5.24, and I had it all in pennies. She said "we don't take pennies, you have to go put them in the CoinExchange and we'll cash them out." I said "that's ridiculous... that thing charges 9%. I have to pay more because my money is in pennies?" So... she leaves, without ringing up my stuff. I go to the self checkout, scan my items, then begin to insert pennies... A little while later the machine says "coin slot full, manager needed". Manager comes over and starts getting loud with me, "Sir, I told you we don't accept pennies!" I looked at her badge, she was the customer service manager. I then get loud, drawing attention from others. "My money is legal tender, you have to take it!" "Sir, stop being rude!" I then yelled, "I'm not being rude. You're being a biatch. You're the customer service manager and I'm getting shiatty customer service!!" At that point, she just opened the machine, removed the pennies, and walked away. I finished putting my pennies in, got my stuff, and left.
 
2012-09-21 12:51:42 PM  

stonicus: CSB: Lady at a grocery store one time refused to accept my pennies. My total was like $5.24, and I had it all in pennies. She said "we don't take pennies, you have to go put them in the CoinExchange and we'll cash them out." I said "that's ridiculous... that thing charges 9%. I have to pay more because my money is in pennies?" So... she leaves, without ringing up my stuff. I go to the self checkout, scan my items, then begin to insert pennies... A little while later the machine says "coin slot full, manager needed". Manager comes over and starts getting loud with me, "Sir, I told you we don't accept pennies!" I looked at her badge, she was the customer service manager. I then get loud, drawing attention from others. "My money is legal tender, you have to take it!" "Sir, stop being rude!" I then yelled, "I'm not being rude. You're being a biatch. You're the customer service manager and I'm getting shiatty customer service!!" At that point, she just opened the machine, removed the pennies, and walked away. I finished putting my pennies in, got my stuff, and left.


You couldn't roll them before going to the store because...?
 
2012-09-21 12:54:57 PM  

JOHN MCENROE MY CHILDHOOD NEMESIS: Did he pay with AssPennies?


Came for this.

/Well played
 
2012-09-21 01:17:16 PM  

stonicus: "My money is legal tender,


So what?

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts. -31 U.S.C. § 5103

There is, however, no federal statute that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.
 
2012-09-21 01:19:30 PM  

TNel: stonicus: CSB: Lady at a grocery store one time refused to accept my pennies. My total was like $5.24, and I had it all in pennies. She said "we don't take pennies, you have to go put them in the CoinExchange and we'll cash them out." I said "that's ridiculous... that thing charges 9%. I have to pay more because my money is in pennies?" So... she leaves, without ringing up my stuff. I go to the self checkout, scan my items, then begin to insert pennies... A little while later the machine says "coin slot full, manager needed". Manager comes over and starts getting loud with me, "Sir, I told you we don't accept pennies!" I looked at her badge, she was the customer service manager. I then get loud, drawing attention from others. "My money is legal tender, you have to take it!" "Sir, stop being rude!" I then yelled, "I'm not being rude. You're being a biatch. You're the customer service manager and I'm getting shiatty customer service!!" At that point, she just opened the machine, removed the pennies, and walked away. I finished putting my pennies in, got my stuff, and left.

You couldn't roll them before going to the store because...?


Why bother? They still have to count them.
 
2012-09-21 03:45:59 PM  

buttcat: Ummm...I think you might be half wrong. For the purchase of good and services, a seller can refuse different types of payments (too many pennies or too large of a bill). But for the payment of a debt, all legal tender has to be accepted. Now of course you cannot throw a bowl of coins at someone but if all the pennies were rolled, then they would have to be accepted.


Not totally true. Contracts can include stipulations on the types of payment accepted.
 
2012-09-21 03:53:56 PM  

Lachwen: Yeah. Working retail, I deal with people pissed off about all kinds of things. I always hate it when the next part of the tirade starts with "I know this isn't your fault, but..."

If you know it's not my fault, WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME LIKE IT IS?


...so you can go tell your boss (whose fault it probably is) that customers are very upset and complaining about it??

...so you are motivated to find a way around the issue??

...so you get fed up and quit, thus leaving the company without employees, and out of business??

/More likely, because you are the only one they can yell at.
//The policy may not be 'your fault', but you are the one enforcing it
 
2012-09-21 03:57:08 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: You want to pay in pennies? Sure. Just kindly count them out in stacks of 10 pennies each so I can accept them.


No need to count- I know how many there are. If you don't believe me, YOU count them.

/bump
//bump bump
///oops, sorry
 
2012-09-21 04:31:57 PM  
Well good for him. As I'm sure has already been mentioned, all debts, public and private means that nobody gets to refuse cash for an existing debt. For example, they can refuse a $100 bill or a bag of pennies before you pump your gas, but not after. This guy had every right to register his displeasure in pennies and the real story seems to be that a judge decided to penalize him because some retarded clinic employees were scared. If that holds up I have a feeling Halloween is going to finish destroying our legal system.
 
2012-09-21 07:53:21 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com

I once got a speeding ticket for doing three over (had it on cruise- I had it set to exactly the speed limit, guess the speedometer is a little off). The awfully nice asshole who pulled me over told me he had no choice, they were doing emphasis patrols and ticketing anyone doing 1mph over and above. We had just moved, so I had a bunch of checks with our old address on them, and hell, I don't use checks anyway- so I paid that farking ticket in about 150 checks of varying denominations. I hope they enjoyed it, sons of biatches.

/csb
 
2012-09-22 02:29:38 AM  

TNel: stonicus: CSB: Lady at a grocery store one time refused to accept my pennies. My total was like $5.24, and I had it all in pennies. She said "we don't take pennies, you have to go put them in the CoinExchange and we'll cash them out." I said "that's ridiculous... that thing charges 9%. I have to pay more because my money is in pennies?" So... she leaves, without ringing up my stuff. I go to the self checkout, scan my items, then begin to insert pennies... A little while later the machine says "coin slot full, manager needed". Manager comes over and starts getting loud with me, "Sir, I told you we don't accept pennies!" I looked at her badge, she was the customer service manager. I then get loud, drawing attention from others. "My money is legal tender, you have to take it!" "Sir, stop being rude!" I then yelled, "I'm not being rude. You're being a biatch. You're the customer service manager and I'm getting shiatty customer service!!" At that point, she just opened the machine, removed the pennies, and walked away. I finished putting my pennies in, got my stuff, and left.

You couldn't roll them before going to the store because...?


Don't know about all companies, but at mine it's policy that we have to open and count rolls, to make sure they aren't stuffed with washers. Yes, I have opened rolls (usually of nickles) and found one coin at each end at the rest of the roll filled with washers.

Apparently my post started a lot of debate, so let me say a few things:

Believe me, I UNDERSTAND FRUSTRATION ABOUT SHIATTY POLICIES. I really, REALLY do, because (and this may surprise you) when I'm not at work, I am a customer myself.

Yelling at me about the policy will change nothing. First, I'm just a cashier, not someone who works the Customer Service Desk. I have THE least authority in the entire store. Secondly, while we certainly tell Corporate when policies upset customers, Corporate does not listen to store employees. The old store manager at my work got rid of one of the benches in our store, because she was "tired of the employees using it on their breaks" (she also told us we weren't allowed to sit in the deli, which was the only other area of the store with seating in it, so I really don't know where she expected us to go on our breaks). There had never been a single complaint from a customer about employees sitting on the bench, the store manager just decided it was not kosher. Customers, of course, began complaining about the missing bench. There are a lot of retirement homes near my store, so we get a lot of old people, and many of them need to stop and rest during or immediately after shopping. We told the store manager about the complaints; she didn't care. We told Corporate about the complaints, for THREE WEEKS: nothing. So we began heavily encouraging every customer who complained to contact Corporate and let them know directly. After only three DAYS of customers venting their ire at the people who actually had the authority to do something, suddenly our store director was ordered to replace the bench.

So, yeah. Yelling at the front-line employee makes you feel better, maybe, but it doesn't actually impact the policy one whit. Hurling abuse and insults at the people actually responsible for the policy...THAT gets you RESULTS.
 
2012-09-22 05:25:35 AM  

Lachwen: So, yeah. Yelling at the front-line employee makes you feel better, maybe, but it doesn't actually impact the policy one whit. Hurling abuse and insults at the people actually responsible for the policy...THAT gets you RESULTS.


I got the result I wanted, I paid for my items with my money. It's not like they were busy, it was around midnight, they were all just standing around talking. Sorry I was gonna make her do such hard work as counting. It was totally her discretion to take my pennies or not, had nothing to do with policy.
 
2012-09-22 11:19:07 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 379x214]

I once got a speeding ticket for doing three over (had it on cruise- I had it set to exactly the speed limit, guess the speedometer is a little off). The awfully nice asshole who pulled me over told me he had no choice, they were doing emphasis patrols and ticketing anyone doing 1mph over and above. We had just moved, so I had a bunch of checks with our old address on them, and hell, I don't use checks anyway- so I paid that farking ticket in about 150 checks of varying denominations. I hope they enjoyed it, sons of biatches.

/csb


Nice passive aggressive bullcrap. Either contest the ticket, or pay it, but don't be a DB and expect people to commend you for it.
 
2012-09-23 12:15:07 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Your Average Witty Fark User: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 379x214]

I once got a speeding ticket for doing three over (had it on cruise- I had it set to exactly the speed limit, guess the speedometer is a little off). The awfully nice asshole who pulled me over told me he had no choice, they were doing emphasis patrols and ticketing anyone doing 1mph over and above. We had just moved, so I had a bunch of checks with our old address on them, and hell, I don't use checks anyway- so I paid that farking ticket in about 150 checks of varying denominations. I hope they enjoyed it, sons of biatches.

/csb

Nice passive aggressive bullcrap. Either contest the ticket, or pay it, but don't be a DB and expect people to commend you for it.


I commend him for it. You're taking it out on the system. The employee is part of the system. Is the cop supposed to take the fine in and count it?
 
2012-09-23 12:35:19 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: MycroftHolmes: Your Average Witty Fark User: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 379x214]

I once got a speeding ticket for doing three over (had it on cruise- I had it set to exactly the speed limit, guess the speedometer is a little off). The awfully nice asshole who pulled me over told me he had no choice, they were doing emphasis patrols and ticketing anyone doing 1mph over and above. We had just moved, so I had a bunch of checks with our old address on them, and hell, I don't use checks anyway- so I paid that farking ticket in about 150 checks of varying denominations. I hope they enjoyed it, sons of biatches.

/csb

Nice passive aggressive bullcrap. Either contest the ticket, or pay it, but don't be a DB and expect people to commend you for it.

I commend him for it. You're taking it out on the system. The employee is part of the system. Is the cop supposed to take the fine in and count it?


No, the cop is supposed to be accountable for incorrectly assigning a ticket. Or the driver should be accountable for violating the speed limit. If you think the ticket was given in error (and three over the speed limit could be challenged, depending on when the last tome the radar gun was calibrated, etc. etc. etc), then go ahead and go to court. But being a brat about things is as useless as it is unbecoming.

Plus, it is pretty stupid. All that has to happen is to have an issue with one of those many checks, and presto, you have an arrest warrant out for that county or city, which you probably won't even know about until you speed again.
 
2012-09-23 03:28:54 AM  

stonicus: CSB: Lady at a grocery store one time refused to accept my pennies. My total was like $5.24, and I had it all in pennies. She said "we don't take pennies, you have to go put them in the CoinExchange and we'll cash them out." I said "that's ridiculous... that thing charges 9%. I have to pay more because my money is in pennies?" So... she leaves, without ringing up my stuff. I go to the self checkout, scan my items, then begin to insert pennies... A little while later the machine says "coin slot full, manager needed". Manager comes over and starts getting loud with me, "Sir, I told you we don't accept pennies!" I looked at her badge, she was the customer service manager. I then get loud, drawing attention from others. "My money is legal tender, you have to take it!" "Sir, stop being rude!" I then yelled, "I'm not being rude. You're being a biatch. You're the customer service manager and I'm getting shiatty customer service!!" At that point, she just opened the machine, removed the pennies, and walked away. I finished putting my pennies in, got my stuff, and left.


"Legal tender for all debts...." does not mean what you think it means. In the future you might want to refrain from every telling this story every again, because it is not a cool story, bub. All you have done is let everyone here know that you are just an ignoramus.

The following information comes directly from the website of the U.S. Department of the Treasury (you know, the people who make the money!):

Q. I thought that United States currency was legal tender for all debts. Some businesses or governmental agencies say that they will only accept checks, money orders or credit cards as payment, and others will only accept currency notes in denominations of $20 or smaller. Isn't this illegal?

The pertinent portion of law that applies to your question is the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

A. This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy. 


/"Q" and "A" added by me for clarity.
 
2012-09-23 03:30:48 AM  
D'oh! Placed the "A" in front of the wrong paragraph. Well, you can count so maybe you will figure it out on your own.
 
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