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2012-09-21 09:26:25 AM  
Why is there a politics thread in the sports tab?
 
2012-09-21 09:34:16 AM  
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2012-09-21 09:36:06 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Why is there a politics thread in the sports tab?


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2012-09-21 10:22:25 AM  

DanZero: antidisestablishmentarianism: Why is there a politics thread in the sports tab?

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Or did I?
 
2012-09-21 11:34:38 AM  
Translation: Guys, they're trying their hardest and all you're doing is hurting their feelings. The worst they've been yelled at before was by a douchebag parent, not a head football coach who actually knows and understands the rules.
 
2012-09-21 11:40:33 AM  
I can't wait to hear what Steve Young says Monday. He was already dressing down the NFL this last Monday.
 
2012-09-21 11:55:26 AM  
I honestly don't see a difference in how the head coaches are treating the refs this year. Difference is that in the previous years the refs were professional and knew how to deal with it and this year they're not.
 
2012-09-21 11:59:02 AM  

WhyteRaven74: I can't wait to hear what Steve Young says Monday. He was already dressing down the NFL this last Monday.


And he was absolutely right in everything he said too. The NFL doesn't care as long as tickets are being sold and TV ratings are 1000 times higher than the 2nd place sport or show or whatever.
 
2012-09-21 11:59:17 AM  
Even Jason Garret who is normally pretty cool and collected was jawing at the referees. And not even right after that Hines Ward-esque hit that made Golden Tate 20 grand lighter - I mean the whole game.

I think a lot of the teams are doing their best to take advantage of the referees not being as quick to pick up on the rules. Like how the Giants ran that pick play twice in the same game even though it's illegal, but the replacement officials can barely get the spot of the ball down let alone identify illegal procedure.
 
2012-09-21 12:01:24 PM  
The hilarious thing is that these replacement refs are going to only get better as the weeks go along and by the end of the season no one will miss the old refs.
 
2012-09-21 12:01:58 PM  
Respect should be earned, and these replacements are not earning it.
 
2012-09-21 12:02:53 PM  
Respect is earned, not given. And quite frankly, these refs haven't earned anything yet.
 
2012-09-21 12:03:48 PM  
Respect should be burned, and these replacement Jeffreys haven't learned how to grate cheese yet.
 
2012-09-21 12:04:08 PM  
Anybody else notice that Adam's books haven't moved in two years?

/Oh and he wears shorts during his segment
//His Mom has Pop-Tarts waiting after his segment
///It's a DuPlex, a basement sorta Duplex
 
2012-09-21 12:04:21 PM  

davidphogan: Respect should be earned, and these replacements are not earning it.


You beat me to it.
 
2012-09-21 12:08:21 PM  
Coaches always abuse the refs over bad or just suspect calls. It's part of a head coach's job to try and keep the refs on their toes.

All this does is give the 3d tier refs more room to be idiots.

Seriously the NFL needs to pay the normal refs and get on with life. These guys they scooped up from the JuCo leagues just cannot officiate.properly.

But Glorious Commissioner must have his ego appeased.

/Don't plan to watch the NFL until the proper refs are back screwing things up the proper way
 
2012-09-21 12:09:16 PM  

ddam: I honestly don't see a difference in how the head coaches are treating the refs this year. Difference is that in the previous years the refs were professional and knew how to deal with it and this year they're not.


Yep, these refs look like they're gonna break down and cry, and that's just trying to make an announcement.Their voice quivers, they forget which side is which, the stutter just trying to figure out what to say. It's pretty bad.

Plus they're momentum killers. Every time they have to pause a great offensive drive, they're killing momentum.
 
2012-09-21 12:11:18 PM  
"We contacted them to remind them that everyone has a responsibility to respect the game," NFL executive vice president Ray Anderson said Thursday night.

And there's no better way to demonstrate that respect than by locking out the employees, just like in they did in the '30s.
 
2012-09-21 12:15:19 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Plus they're momentum killers. Every time they have to pause a great offensive drive, they're killing momentum.


That's the biggest difference I see in the games. It's taking longer for these replacements to get their shiat together, which I understand. And of course the coaches are going to be bigger bullies to try to sway the refs, they'd be dumb not to do it.

Still, I don't think Roger will back down. As has been pointed out, attendance won't suffer and neither will TV viewers. We'll keep biatching about it while still tuning in every Sunday.
 
2012-09-21 12:17:22 PM  
On the one hand it's sad watching the refs be visibly intimidated by the situation they're in, the coaches and the players. On the other hand they're scabs and f*ck 'em.

The owners need to chisel a little bit off the farking dragon's hoard they're sitting on and pay the goddamn real refs.
 
2012-09-21 12:23:26 PM  
I honestly hope Sunday night doesn't devolve into a chaotic mess like the Falcons-Broncos game did, but Pats-Ravens games have a tendency to be chippy enough as it is and I don't see these Barney Fifes keeping the players in line. I really hope I'm wrong but I think it's going to get pretty ugly and I just hope nobody on either side gets seriously injured when it happens.
 
2012-09-21 12:30:14 PM  

HeathenHealer: Still, I don't think Roger will back down. As has been pointed out, attendance won't suffer and neither will TV viewers. We'll keep biatching about it while still tuning in every Sunday.


The first player that tells the fans to demand refunds is going to get the biggest hero tag.
 
2012-09-21 12:33:09 PM  

Gosling: HeathenHealer: Still, I don't think Roger will back down. As has been pointed out, attendance won't suffer and neither will TV viewers. We'll keep biatching about it while still tuning in every Sunday.

The first player that tells the fans to demand refunds is going to get the biggest hero tag fine in the history of the NFL.


FTFY. You don't fark with profits.
 
2012-09-21 12:47:14 PM  

tommyl66: I honestly hope Sunday night doesn't devolve into a chaotic mess like the Falcons-Broncos game did, but Pats-Ravens games have a tendency to be chippy enough as it is and I don't see these Barney Fifes keeping the players in line. I really hope I'm wrong but I think it's going to get pretty ugly and I just hope nobody on either side gets seriously injured when it happens.


If Brady gets injured and NFL still doesn't cut a deal with the refs we can assume that the old refs will never come back.
 
2012-09-21 01:04:46 PM  
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THE NEW REFS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE OLD REFS. THERE WAS NEVER A PAY DISPUTE.
 
2012-09-21 01:05:08 PM  
The best part of last night's game was seeing Martellus Bennett jawing at the refs after they let a play go too long and it ended up with his helmet getting wrenched off.
 
2012-09-21 01:06:52 PM  

Weigard: The best part of last night's game was seeing Martellus Bennett jawing at the refs after they let a play go too long and it ended up with his helmet getting wrenched off.


The worst part of last night's game was watching Martellus Bennett actually catching passes and not being the colossal farkup that he was in Dallas.
 
2012-09-21 01:18:55 PM  

ThisIsntMe: Anybody else notice that Adam's books haven't moved in two years?

/Oh and he wears shorts during his segment
//His Mom has Pop-Tarts waiting after his segment
///It's a DuPlex, a basement sorta Duplex


Is it next to John Clayton's metal fan basement at his mom's house?
 
2012-09-21 01:21:40 PM  

ddam: I honestly don't see a difference in how the head coaches are treating the refs this year. Difference is that in the previous years the refs were professional and knew how to deal with it and this year they're not.


I saw one instance in the 49ers-Lions game. There was an offensive pass interference penalty on the Lions final drive and they were going to have 2nd &10. Harbaugh came out yelling that it was third down. Now, I'm pretty sure he knows that offensive pass interference is not a loss of down penalty, he was just trying to confuse the ref and hope he could get him to mess up, especially since earlier in the game the ref had made a similar mistake (announcing that it was 4th down after a penalty when it was actually 3rd down) and had to get it corrected by another official. Harbaugh never would have done that with a normal official, because the regular never would have fallen for it. The replacement might.
 
2012-09-21 01:28:39 PM  

Treygreen13: The worst part of last night's game was watching Martellus Bennett actually catching passes and not being the colossal farkup that he was in Dallas.


The worst part of last night's game was watching Martellus Bennett catch passes and TDs after specifically picking him up off waivers for this week, then getting distracted by work (I hate waivers in general - goddammit I'm not going to pay close enough attention to check three days later) and forgetting to put him in the lineup. And remembering I never put him in immediately after the TD.

Oh, and in my other league, seeing that my opponent had him. And WAS starting him.
 
2012-09-21 01:29:49 PM  

davidphogan: Respect should be earned, and these replacements are not earning it.


done in 11
 
2012-09-21 01:30:13 PM  

IAmRight: Treygreen13: The worst part of last night's game was watching Martellus Bennett actually catching passes and not being the colossal farkup that he was in Dallas.

The worst part of last night's game was watching Martellus Bennett catch passes and TDs after specifically picking him up off waivers for this week, then getting distracted by work (I hate waivers in general - goddammit I'm not going to pay close enough attention to check three days later) and forgetting to put him in the lineup. And remembering I never put him in immediately after the TD.

Oh, and in my other league, seeing that my opponent had him. And WAS starting him.


I picked up Celek instead of MartyB because marty would disappear for weeks at a time. We'll see how that plays out.
 
2012-09-21 01:41:50 PM  
Wooo...second green in two days. I'm on a roll :)

The bigger problem here is that Godell is really being a douchebag over really small things. I agree with him on the helmet-to-helmet thing, since the lawsuits on the horizon could financially devastate the NFL, but he's seriously uptight on small things that happen in every other major sport.

-Alex Smith wearing a SF Giant's hat at a post-game press conference? That's a fining. Can't go promoting other sports, even though MLB has allowed NBA and NHL mascots be at baseball games for local cross-promotion. I've seen both Bolt (GS Warrior's mascot) and SJ Sharkie at Giant's games during season overlaps and when the local team in the non-baseball league is doing well.

-Yelling at refs for making bad calls? That's a fine. This is the worst thing Godell could be doing. He's actively punishing dissent and starting to come off as the worst sports commissioner aside from Bud Selig. He expects his word to be absolute law with no appeal, which is why Bountygate is blowing up in his face now; he expected everyone to follow his lead unquestionably and not examine the details too closely.
 
2012-09-21 01:53:03 PM  
Yea, this isn't baseball!
 
2012-09-21 01:54:29 PM  

IAmRight: Treygreen13: The worst part of last night's game was watching Martellus Bennett actually catching passes and not being the colossal farkup that he was in Dallas.

The worst part of last night's game was watching Martellus Bennett catch passes and TDs after specifically picking him up off waivers for this week, then getting distracted by work (I hate waivers in general - goddammit I'm not going to pay close enough attention to check three days later) and forgetting to put him in the lineup. And remembering I never put him in immediately after the TD.

Oh, and in my other league, seeing that my opponent had him. And WAS starting him.


I disagree. That's hilarious!
 
2012-09-21 02:20:47 PM  

Treygreen13: Weigard: The best part of last night's game was seeing Martellus Bennett jawing at the refs after they let a play go too long and it ended up with his helmet getting wrenched off.

The worst part of last night's game was watching Martellus Bennett actually catching passes and not being the colossal farkup that he was in Dallas.


A competent coaching staff and detail-oriented QB usually make a difference. But it's easy to blame Bennett for being immature when the Cowboys never did anything to help him grow up.
 
2012-09-21 02:27:27 PM  
What made the NFL look bad wasn't the coaches berating the refs in week 2.
 
2012-09-21 03:02:01 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: -Alex Smith wearing a SF Giant's hat at a post-game press conference? That's a fining. Can't go promoting other sports, even though MLB has allowed NBA and NHL mascots be at baseball games for local cross-promotion. I've seen both Bolt (GS Warrior's mascot) and SJ Sharkie at Giant's games during season overlaps and when the local team in the non-baseball league is doing well.


The NFL's dress code has long been draconian by any standard, that incident just came off poorly given the circumstances. In fairness, the league dropped the fine & let him off with a warning.

RoyFokker'sGhost: -Yelling at refs for making bad calls? That's a fine. This is the worst thing Godell could be doing. He's actively punishing dissent and starting to come off as the worst sports commissioner aside from Bud Selig. He expects his word to be absolute law with no appeal, which is why Bountygate is blowing up in his face now; he expected everyone to follow his lead unquestionably and not examine the details too closely.


The league has to do exactly that, particularly given their insistence that these are the new refs & the long-standing ban on publicly criticizing NFL officials. Players and coaches have always faced fines for derogatory post-game comments about the reffing. That part is no different than any other company penalizing an employee for publicly criticizing the policies or performance of other workers.

Don't get me wrong, Goodell comes off as a royal farktard for numerous reasons, but these aren't among them. And either way, it's as much (more, actually) the owners' fault as Goodell's that they're in this fix.
 
2012-09-21 04:27:36 PM  
Glorious Commissioner contacted the owners, general managers and head coaches on each of the 32 teams to let them know that the type of behavior that they saw last weekend will not be acceptable this weekend. However, the amateur officiating will be acceptable for the forseeable future.
 
2012-09-21 08:08:27 PM  
I'm getting real tired of Goodell. Up his ass.
 
2012-09-21 10:01:33 PM  

timswar: Coaches always abuse the refs over bad or just suspect calls. It's part of a head coach's job to try and keep the refs on their toes.

All this does is give the 3d tier refs more room to be idiots.

Seriously the NFL needs to pay the normal refs and get on with life. These guys they scooped up from the JuCo leagues just cannot officiate.properly.

But Glorious Commissioner must have his ego appeased.

/Don't plan to watch the NFL until the proper refs are back screwing things up the proper way


When one ref is new, he makes one or 2 mistakes, and is masked by the rest of the other older refs. When all of them are new...

/this whole ref thing is making me so much popcorn
 
2012-09-21 10:08:19 PM  
If Goodell suddenly died, who is the heir apparent to the throne?

/just asking...
 
2012-09-21 11:40:05 PM  

Harv72b:

The league has to do exactly that, particularly given their insistence that these are the new refs & the long-standing ban on publicly criticizing NFL officials. Players and coaches have always faced fines for derogatory post-game comments about the reffing. That part is no different than any other company penalizing an employee for publicly criticizing the policies or performance of other workers.


There's a difference between publicly criticizing the officials and arguing a missed call. While I agree that there shouldn't be any trashtalking the refs, Godell is coming down hard here to make even arguing on the field a punishable offense, Think about that: there is the mechanism to dispute a call or spot via the coach's challenge, but to not even point out when a ref may have completely missed an infraction? That's beyond draconian. And the coaches can't even point out later where infractions were missed, criticism that could lead to better officiating from these replacements.
 
2012-09-22 12:35:28 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: There's a difference between publicly criticizing the officials and arguing a missed call. While I agree that there shouldn't be any trashtalking the refs, Godell is coming down hard here to make even arguing on the field a punishable offense, Think about that: there is the mechanism to dispute a call or spot via the coach's challenge, but to not even point out when a ref may have completely missed an infraction? That's beyond draconian. And the coaches can't even point out later where infractions were missed, criticism that could lead to better officiating from these replacements.


My bad, I totally missed the point in your previous post. I guess it all depends on what the league defines as "inappropriate" as far as in-game actions vs. the refs. I mean, coaches screaming at the refs from the sidelines is as much a part of NFL tradition as anything else...watch any NFL Films production about a head coach & it will include various bleeped-for-tv exclamations at game officials. That said, I vividly remember Fox's sideline reaction during the Broncos game, and whether or not a tirade was justifiable based on the calls I can agree that he likely took it too far. Didn't see anything Del Rio did & don't remember Harbaugh the Younger getting out of line...I was thinking of Harbaugh the Elder's post-game comments as I typed above.

This whole debacle is starting to resemble something out of an Ayn Rand "novel". But hey, who's Willie Gault?
 
2012-09-22 01:25:11 AM  

Harv72b: RoyFokker'sGhost: There's a difference between publicly criticizing the officials and arguing a missed call. While I agree that there shouldn't be any trashtalking the refs, Godell is coming down hard here to make even arguing on the field a punishable offense, Think about that: there is the mechanism to dispute a call or spot via the coach's challenge, but to not even point out when a ref may have completely missed an infraction? That's beyond draconian. And the coaches can't even point out later where infractions were missed, criticism that could lead to better officiating from these replacements.

My bad, I totally missed the point in your previous post. I guess it all depends on what the league defines as "inappropriate" as far as in-game actions vs. the refs. I mean, coaches screaming at the refs from the sidelines is as much a part of NFL tradition as anything else...watch any NFL Films production about a head coach & it will include various bleeped-for-tv exclamations at game officials. That said, I vividly remember Fox's sideline reaction during the Broncos game, and whether or not a tirade was justifiable based on the calls I can agree that he likely took it too far. Didn't see anything Del Rio did & don't remember Harbaugh the Younger getting out of line...I was thinking of Harbaugh the Elder's post-game comments as I typed above.


And that's another problem Godell has. On analysis, the statement doesn't say who was out of line and what constitutes going too far; it only says that actions similar to what was seen on Sunday will lead to penalties. It's extremely vague and based on Godell's past actions, we're all (myself included) assuming that even minor infractions will lead to penalties and fines. Will it take a Fox level meltdown or something much more sedate like 'Hey! Are you ever going to call that D-lineman for holding or are you going to let him keep doing that?' The fact is: we don't know becasue the League office isn't telling. Thus, they're trying to frighten the coaches and players into compliance with an air of 'any complaint could be the one that fines you'. Nothing's written in stone, so the League can fine who they want to over this, when they want. And I'm sure there's going to be a certain amount of favoritism shown towards the coaches of high earning teams in the major markets. Jim Harbaugh can probably get away with some jawing, but the moment Denis Allen opens his mouth to breathe towards an official, he's getting hit with a $15K fine and a 1 game suspension.

Which might actually improve the Raider's chances *rimshot*


Harv72b: This whole debacle is starting to resemble something out of an Ayn Rand "novel". But hey, who's Willie Gault?


+1 to you, good sir
 
2012-09-22 09:39:41 AM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: DanZero: antidisestablishmentarianism: Why is there a politics thread in the sports tab?

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Or did I?


Yes, you missed it. Stop being a tard.
 
2012-09-22 09:46:23 AM  
If you keep paying for (sh) it, they have no incentive to change.

/Vote with your wallet
 
2012-09-22 10:25:39 AM  

HeathenHealer: scottydoesntknow: Plus they're momentum killers. Every time they have to pause a great offensive drive, they're killing momentum.

That's the biggest difference I see in the games. It's taking longer for these replacements to get their shiat together, which I understand. And of course the coaches are going to be bigger bullies to try to sway the refs, they'd be dumb not to do it.

Still, I don't think Roger will back down. As has been pointed out, attendance won't suffer and neither will TV viewers. We'll keep biatching about it while still tuning in every Sunday.


The length it takes to get calls right is the only biatch anyone can claim as legitimate with these refs, they are doing a better job with the calls than most people are giving them credit, Steve young is a douche and always berated refs to get calls to go his way.

The refs are shocked these supposedly pro coaches are acting worse than little league parents when screaming at them and it kind if shocked them the first few weeks.

But I agree with another's comment earlier, they will get the flow down and make quicker decisions as the season wears on and none of you will miss the old refs.
 
2012-09-22 11:40:33 AM  
Frankly, I think that whichever team wins this year's Super Bowl should have an asterisk next to its name.
 
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