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2012-09-21 12:27:53 AM  
It's true. Each generation talks about how they are more open than the previous one but still go along hating whatever they aren't used to. I mentioned these body modifications 10 years ago and everyone got grossed out by them, and furthermore said they wouldn't let their kids have these things. Even though they had body mods that their parents hated. Just recognize the formula and deal with it.

/I want glowing electronics under my skin, printable organs and genetic expression modification.
 
2012-09-21 12:29:58 AM  
"Back in my day we got metal and ink put into our skins...AND WE LIKED IT! NOT LIKE THESE KIDS GETTING HORNS AN' JAGUAR TEETH? WHO NEEDS FELINE TOOTHES? IT'S ALL A COMMIE PLOT!"
 
2012-09-21 12:42:46 AM  
His talk of having magnets implanted in his fingertips is intriguing, to the point I might even consider it. However, it seems like it's just asking for trouble while trying to use handheld electronic devices. And let's not even talk about the horrific images that come to mind when thinking of getting an MRI with them in.
 
2012-09-21 12:43:25 AM  
The new RONCO Home Sex Change Kit! It slices, it dices, it even makes delicious Julianne Fry!

/But wait! There's more!
 
2012-09-21 12:47:40 AM  

hubiestubert: "IT'S ALL A COMMIE TERRIST PLOT!"


FTFY. Now get off my Nev-R-Mow® bioengineered yard turf!
 
2012-09-21 12:49:18 AM  
I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.
 
2012-09-21 12:50:51 AM  
Vibrating genitalia
 
2012-09-21 12:55:12 AM  
That 47% is getting bigger.
 
2012-09-21 01:00:05 AM  

Lukeonia1: His talk of having magnets implanted in his fingertips is intriguing, to the point I might even consider it. However, it seems like it's just asking for trouble while trying to use handheld electronic devices. And let's not even talk about the horrific images that come to mind when thinking of getting an MRI with them in.


I too was very intrigued by the idea of a magnet in my fingertip. I don't really see the value in sensing electromagnet fields, but that doesn't mean I don't want to. My biggest hang up is the potential for harm to my electronics like my laptop. Obviously I'd have to be super careful if I was to try wearing a watch, though I can't imagine why I would.

Never thought about an MRI... yeah, you'd need to have it removed first.

And if you got the wand at the airport, methinks it would light up passing by it.

What other downsides could it have? I'm seriously interested in this strange idea.
 
2012-09-21 01:02:19 AM  

brianbankerus: Lukeonia1: His talk of having magnets implanted in his fingertips is intriguing, to the point I might even consider it. However, it seems like it's just asking for trouble while trying to use handheld electronic devices. And let's not even talk about the horrific images that come to mind when thinking of getting an MRI with them in.

I too was very intrigued by the idea of a magnet in my fingertip. I don't really see the value in sensing electromagnet fields, but that doesn't mean I don't want to. My biggest hang up is the potential for harm to my electronics like my laptop. Obviously I'd have to be super careful if I was to try wearing a watch, though I can't imagine why I would.

Never thought about an MRI... yeah, you'd need to have it removed first.

And if you got the wand at the airport, methinks it would light up passing by it.

What other downsides could it have? I'm seriously interested in this strange idea.


Heh... try picking up just one paperclip from a box

/or a pin
//and those damned iron filings keep building up
 
2012-09-21 01:06:33 AM  

Lukeonia1: hubiestubert: "IT'S ALL A COMMIE TERRIST PLOT!"

FTFY. Now get off my Nev-R-Mow® bioengineered yard turf!


To be fair, I'm going to be the old man in the nursing home asking for them to bring up my Ministry and Black Flag because I can't hear it so well...

Yeah. Nursing homes are going to be werrrrry interesting in another thirty or forty years...
 
2012-09-21 01:55:53 AM  

TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.


I've been reading about this for the last hour now... Here is all the info you would ever want...
 
2012-09-21 01:57:56 AM  

TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.


Wouldn't that be asking for trouble when handling digital media?
 
2012-09-21 02:04:47 AM  

brianbankerus: TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.

I've been reading about this for the last hour now... Here is all the info you would ever want...


Haha, I totally have a bunch of different threads from that site open in my browser already. Plus checking out local body mod places, seeing if any of them seem like the place that might try this.
 
2012-09-21 02:07:40 AM  

jimmyego: TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.

Wouldn't that be asking for trouble when handling digital media?


Short answer, nope.

Long answer, the magnet is really pretty weak. Because it is sitting inside your finger it doesn't actually need to be that strong. It can be damaging to older magnetic media (floppy disks, cassette tapes), but anything you would possibly use today (including hard disk drives) wouldn't be affected. The implants aren't even strong enough to harm a credit card stripe.
 
2012-09-21 02:27:55 AM  
ih0.redbubble.net
 
2012-09-21 02:28:41 AM  
All that body modification, you couldn't tweeze those eyebrows?
 
2012-09-21 03:01:42 AM  

TheOmni: jimmyego: TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.

Wouldn't that be asking for trouble when handling digital media?

Short answer, nope.

Long answer, the magnet is really pretty weak. Because it is sitting inside your finger it doesn't actually need to be that strong. It can be damaging to older magnetic media (floppy disks, cassette tapes), but anything you would possibly use today (including hard disk drives) wouldn't be affected. The implants aren't even strong enough to harm a credit card stripe.


Thanks, that was my concern, appreciate the reply.

However, I want proper body mods:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-21 03:05:05 AM  
Damn, I want me some shark-style electronic senses!
 
2012-09-21 03:42:48 AM  

brianbankerus: Never thought about an MRI... yeah, you'd need to have it removed first.


Not really. It would just be a good idea.

I mean you could man up and just let it pop. I wouldn't, but it's a possibility.
 
2012-09-21 07:11:27 AM  
Is getting a huge belly and a pony tail with a bald spot considered body modification?
 
2012-09-21 07:17:36 AM  
I have the opposite fear: that each generation reacts against its parents'.

The Jazz generation begat the Eisenhower suburbanites begat the hippy generation begat the buttoned-down, suit-and-tie wearing '80s generation. I dread to think what the counter to today's inked, pierced, designer-drugged generation will be.
 
2012-09-21 07:50:45 AM  
I don't have offspring, so when I see somebody with a stretched-out earlobe, I just smile and think, I hope your personality substitute works out for you. Does nothing for me, but I'm sure all the cool people are hip to your jive, daddyo.
 
2012-09-21 07:59:39 AM  

Lukeonia1: His talk of having magnets implanted in his fingertips is intriguing, to the point I might even consider it. However, it seems like it's just asking for trouble while trying to use handheld electronic devices. And let's not even talk about the horrific images that come to mind when thinking of getting an MRI with them in.


You obviously could not have an MRI done with them, but they can be removed. And have to be anyway at some point, because all passive magnets eventually wear down; this was not explained in TFA, but has been elsewhere. The catch with it is the same as all other senses: it's there all the time, whether you want it to be or not. That's the thing about body modification: The one thing we've always got with us is our bodies, so whatever you do to that, you've got it with you all the time. They can also be hard to repair, and are so far impossible to replace.

This is what I think when I look at all the tattoos hipsters have. They look fine on young people, but they probably won't look as awesome when you're 80. (Or maybe they will; I shouldn't make too many assumptions.) But they're easier to remove now than they used to be, so it's probably moot. Piercings, though, are usually self-healing: remove the appliance, and the hole eventually closes over. (Except really big ones, like ear loops. But ears are funny anyway, and I wonder if everyone having ear work done knows that ears can be permanently distorted, irreparable short of plastic surgery.)

On a strictly aesthetic level, I find a lot of radical body modification hideous to look at. BUT -- and I really want to make this point -- that's entirely apart from what I think of modification generally, or what I think of those who do it. I take a generally Heinleinesque view of such things, which is to say that I'm culturally libertarian: What you choose to do is entirely up to you, not for me to judge, and I will judge you only by your character and what I perceive as the motive for your actions, observing only practical restrictions. (E.g., please follow health guidelines, but I don't care what your clothes look like.) I do NOT observe or respect cultural 'norms,' as I find them arbitrary and largely asinine. I wouldn't care if the clerk at the gas station is 400 lbs., buck nekkid, and has a zillion tats and piercings; if they're polite to me and make correct change, that's all I feel I have a right to ask or expect from anyone.

With that, it seems to me that the largest part of this discussion is over what people think, and my question for that is, "What part of that matters, and why?"
 
2012-09-21 08:16:46 AM  

czetie: I have the opposite fear: that each generation reacts against its parents'.


I'm not certain that's true. The jazz age didn't give us the Eisenhower suburbanites- it gave us the beats. And the beats gave us the hippies. And the hippies gave us an explosion of countercultures in the 70s, which carried into the 80s. And that's just the mainstream cultures. Minority countercultures were thriving through that entire period- jazz culture and 90s gang culture are mirrors of each other, even including the violence and drugs.

There are always cultures and counter-cultures. The distinction isn't by generation, but by economic cycle. When things are good, when people are happy and well fed, culture will dominate. When things aren't so good, counter-cultures rise up. It's the age old distinction between conservatism and progressivism.
 
2012-09-21 08:19:16 AM  
With the speed that technology is moving, 40 years from now we'll be able to 'modify' our own body with a socket wrench and a soldering iron.

Hey Jim, did you get new legs?

Why yes. These are the newest model from Athletic Systems Incorporated. I had some corrosion around the knees in my old pair so it was time for an upgrade.
 
2012-09-21 08:24:40 AM  

jimmyego: TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.

Wouldn't that be asking for trouble when handling digital media?


By 'digital' media I assume you mean magnetic, since the kind of magnetic field that could threaten an optical disc would probably stop your heart first. And by magnetic media, I assume you mean things like hard drives and flash cards, since few people use floppy disks anymore. Not that it matters, since this thing is so tiny and weak, it's unlikely to affect anything that most people would handle. It's passive and only big enough to jostle a few nerves. So for most people, no.
 
2012-09-21 08:33:55 AM  

Egoy3k: With the speed that technology is moving, 40 years from now we'll be able to 'modify' our own body with a socket wrench and a soldering iron.

Hey Jim, did you get new legs?

Why yes. These are the newest model from Athletic Systems Incorporated. I had some corrosion around the knees in my old pair so it was time for an upgrade.


The first thing I'm buying is knees.
 
2012-09-21 08:41:15 AM  
I'm Andrew Ryan and I approve this message

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2012-09-21 08:41:31 AM  
Did he interview JC Denton?
 
2012-09-21 08:56:39 AM  

thecpt: Did he interview JC Denton?


Much more subtle than the guy above you. On every level of both the source material and the comment. I approve.


Also, I fully hope to end my life as something no longer recognizably human. A bank of super-computers physically located in a nitrogen pool on a moon of Jupiter would work for me. Or as part of a biologically-linked collective on the bottom of the sea.
 
2012-09-21 09:09:47 AM  
I know a gal who clacks when she walks
Cause she wears in her labia slaymaker locks
/true.
 
2012-09-21 09:11:55 AM  
I first asked.about.this two decades ago...

Also, waiting on implantable tail. I've got phantom limb syndrome here.
 
2012-09-21 09:25:09 AM  
I plan to parent my children, teach them self respect, and nurture their self-confidence so that they won't feel compelled to "express their individuality" through trivial means such as body modification.

/better to be unique than to look unique
 
2012-09-21 09:37:20 AM  

hubiestubert: Lukeonia1: hubiestubert: "IT'S ALL A COMMIE TERRIST PLOT!"

FTFY. Now get off my Nev-R-Mow® bioengineered yard turf!

To be fair, I'm going to be the old man in the nursing home asking for them to bring up my Ministry and Black Flag because I can't hear it so well...

Yeah. Nursing homes are going to be werrrrry interesting in another thirty or forty years...


Oh grandpa, you and your classic rock.... It is so cute you still listen to that old stuff, I don't know why you hate this new music.
 
2012-09-21 09:41:48 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Also, I fully hope to end my life as something no longer recognizably human. A bank of super-computers physically located in a nitrogen pool on a moon of Jupiter would work for me. Or as part of a biologically-linked collective on the bottom of the sea.


Maybe located at the bottom of a converted abandoned mine in Idaho would make you Glad?Ossified circuitry sounds painful, but maybe there are upgrades for that.

/my follow up of somewhat subtlety
 
2012-09-21 10:23:01 AM  
media.screened.com

/not obscure
 
2012-09-21 10:46:49 AM  

Lukeonia1: hubiestubert: "IT'S ALL A COMMIE TERRIST PLOT!"

FTFY. Now get off my Nev-R-Mow® bioengineered yard turf!


I would pay good money for that sort of lawn
 
2012-09-21 11:04:35 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Vibrating genitalia


i.imgur.com

you rang?
 
2012-09-21 11:31:53 AM  

Summercat: I first asked.about.this two decades ago...

Also, waiting on implantable tail. I've got phantom limb syndrome here.


Oh lord. Just what we need. Furries modding themselves out with tails, claws, cat ears, etc. Guess what? We're not hiring, Lion-O!
 
2012-09-21 11:44:38 AM  
I remember reading about the magnet implants a few years ago. They were having problems with the silicone casing failing and the magnets disolving. Glad they fixed that.
 
2012-09-21 11:44:42 AM  
I've never been huge on body modification as it has existed (piercing/tats) but man, what I wouldn't give to have functional implants: Watches, optics, sensors, tools, etc. Hell, I'd replace my ring finger for a powered multitool, and my bad eye for a cyberoptic with lowlight and anti-dazzle. Maybe even get some sort of strengthening for my lower back, so that it doesnt hurt so much anymore.

/with the anti-dazzle optic option, you don't need sunglasses!
//but you should wear em anyway
 
2012-09-21 11:59:25 AM  
only thing i liked out of the new total recall. bioluminescent tattoos. i'd get one of those.
 
2012-09-21 12:13:45 PM  

brianbankerus: What other downsides could it have? I'm seriously interested in this strange idea.


You'll constantly get locked out of hotel rooms because you'll deprogram your key every time you touch it.
 
2012-09-21 12:28:36 PM  

whosits_112: Summercat: I first asked.about.this two decades ago...

Also, waiting on implantable tail. I've got phantom limb syndrome here.

Oh lord. Just what we need. Furries modding themselves out with tails, claws, cat ears, etc. Guess what? We're not hiring, Lion-O!


'cept I already has a job, and if push comes to shove, can get off my lazy ass and work jobs where they don't care about stuff like that :3
 
2012-09-21 12:33:38 PM  

Summercat: whosits_112: Summercat: I first asked.about.this two decades ago...

Also, waiting on implantable tail. I've got phantom limb syndrome here.

Oh lord. Just what we need. Furries modding themselves out with tails, claws, cat ears, etc. Guess what? We're not hiring, Lion-O!

'cept I already has a job, and if push comes to shove, can get off my lazy ass and work jobs where they don't care about stuff like that :3


I think we should keep the "I'm an animal trapped in a human body" thing to where it belongs: FantasyLand.
 
2012-09-21 12:58:13 PM  

whosits_112: Summercat: whosits_112: Summercat: I first asked.about.this two decades ago...

Also, waiting on implantable tail. I've got phantom limb syndrome here.

Oh lord. Just what we need. Furries modding themselves out with tails, claws, cat ears, etc. Guess what? We're not hiring, Lion-O!

'cept I already has a job, and if push comes to shove, can get off my lazy ass and work jobs where they don't care about stuff like that :3

I think we should keep the "I'm an animal trapped in a human body" thing to where it belongs: FantasyLand.


Have fun agreeing with all the fundies then :)
 
2012-09-21 01:10:53 PM  

cleveralthere: I'm Andrew Ryan and I approve this message

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I was wondering whether to go with a Bioshock or a Transmetropolitan reference.
 
2012-09-21 01:37:14 PM  

brianbankerus: I too was very intrigued by the idea of a magnet in my fingertip. I don't really see the value in sensing electromagnet fields, but that doesn't mean I don't want to.


Get magnets with opposing polarities in each end of your peener and you could jerk off without moving a muscle. Better get some lube though as I could imagine this generating some serious friction.
 
2012-09-21 01:56:34 PM  

whosits_112: Summercat: whosits_112: Summercat: I first asked.about.this two decades ago...

Also, waiting on implantable tail. I've got phantom limb syndrome here.

Oh lord. Just what we need. Furries modding themselves out with tails, claws, cat ears, etc. Guess what? We're not hiring, Lion-O!

'cept I already has a job, and if push comes to shove, can get off my lazy ass and work jobs where they don't care about stuff like that :3

I think we should keep the "I'm an animal trapped in a human body" thing to where it belongs: FantasyLand.


Furries aside, I could see the appeal of sporting a huge set of antlers in an urban setting: Ladies, I'm virile as f*ck right now. I have these built-in handstraps on my head for leverage in bed.

And the tragic misunderstandings in rural settings will weed out the people who can't plan ahead properly from the gene pool.

You have to admit, it'd be funnier than all those twits who got those hanzi-smatter tattoos.
 
2012-09-21 02:03:58 PM  

TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.


Me too, but aside from the MRI problem, there's one thing keeping me from doing it: I'm pretty sure I know exactly what the implantation would feel like; and I'm afraid it would be a repeat of the single worst pain I've ever experienced.

Several years ago, I suffered an accident involving a VERY sharp pocket knife and my pinkie finger. The knife was basically scalpel-sharp and had partially opened in my pocket. The blade protruded through the pocket of my jeans and when I went to hike a bag up onto my shoulder I sliced my left pinkie finger pretty much directly down the midline (palm side), from the joint of the first knuckle to the tip. That sort of hurt. As I say, the blade was very sharp, so it was a very clean single slash - not ragged or anything, but a bit deep. Went to urgent care and informed them that I was quite concerned about the injury because I play guitar and didn't want to lose sensitivity or use of that joint. Fortunately, the Doc on call at the urgent care clinic on a Sunday morning in Vegas just happened to be experienced in hand surgery. He did an expert repair of the finger with five or six VERY small micro-sutures. What I'm leaving out is the actual procedure: By far, the absolute worst pain I've ever experienced in my entire life was the injection of the local anesthetic into the fingertip. Like a dental local, you have to inject a small amount in multiple places around the wound. OH MY DEITY, did that ever hurt. I've been burned, lacerated, perforated (stabbed), abraded (road rash), and just about every other localized minor injury you can sustain short of being shot, and that friggen series of injections was the worst.

Side note: It took about four years to regain full "normal" sensitivity in the finger pad around the injury. There was always a sense of touch, but it was dampened or altered somehow for many years. I've heard similar from other people with such scar formation - apparently the brain needs to re-map or something.
 
2012-09-21 02:49:00 PM  
(a single double-D breast implant has more volume than many laptop computers at this point)

With that much space at your disposal, you could have a few terabyte of mammary.
 
2012-09-21 02:58:19 PM  

ProfessorOhki: (a single double-D breast implant has more volume than many laptop computers at this point)

With that much space at your disposal, you could have a few terabyte of mammary.


and you can usually use the implants to get more ram
 
2012-09-21 04:36:18 PM  
uwbcsp.com

Approves
 
2012-09-21 04:38:22 PM  

Herbie555: TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.

......scar formatio ...


Dude. I had my left forefinger severedust at the knucke closest to the hand. I had been drinking, and it was a freak accident in a bar fight that caused it. Fortunately, there was a microsurgeon on duty that nite.
this was near Penn State main campus.
He had custom built Spanish Optics and everythign he needed to reattach it. And I told him if he did it right, I would come back to play mandolyn for the kids in the children's ward for Christmas eve.
He couldn't give me any thing for the pain, and saved the nerve for last.
He reattached the nerve. *twitch while typing* and THAT was the most interesting pain I have ever felt.

Anyway, I did the therapy, learned how to play guitar, and mandolyn, and learned every christmas carol on the two of them. Went back a decade later and did it.
He was still there.
And impressed.
 
2012-09-21 05:28:45 PM  

vudukungfu:
He reattached the nerve. *twitch while typing* and THAT was the most interesting pain I have ever felt.

Anyway, I did the therapy, learned how to play guitar, and mandolyn, and learned every christmas carol on the two of them. Went back a decade later and did it.
He was still there.
And impressed.


Agh! Just had my own twitches reading that. Glad you made a recovery!
 
2012-09-21 05:32:50 PM  

you have pee hands: brianbankerus: What other downsides could it have? I'm seriously interested in this strange idea.

You'll constantly get locked out of hotel rooms because you'll deprogram your key every time you touch it.


Nope. Read a FAQ from a guy who has one. He said he tried to deprogram a credit card with it and couldn't do it no matter how much he played with it, rubbing it specifically across the magnetic area. So nope, not that.

Even read that someone has had an MRI with it in without issue. Hey, MRIs don't pull the fillings out of your head. Maybe this is not so different.
 
2012-09-21 06:20:50 PM  

TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.


No you don't. Get one of these. img.alibaba.com Having a moving piece of metal in one of your fingers is dumb and you are dumb for considering it.
 
2012-09-21 07:42:12 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.

No you don't. Get one of these. [img.alibaba.com image 500x500] Having a moving piece of metal in one of your fingers is dumb and you are dumb for considering it.


Aww, it's ok. Don't worry, try not to panic. The future is coming and people are going to be able to and want to do things that you probably don't understand. You can stay where you are. You can join in. You can be who you like. You have plenty of choices, you don't need to be scared.
 
2012-09-21 08:45:46 PM  

brianbankerus: you have pee hands: brianbankerus: What other downsides could it have? I'm seriously interested in this strange idea.

You'll constantly get locked out of hotel rooms because you'll deprogram your key every time you touch it.

Nope. Read a FAQ from a guy who has one. He said he tried to deprogram a credit card with it and couldn't do it no matter how much he played with it, rubbing it specifically across the magnetic area. So nope, not that.

Even read that someone has had an MRI with it in without issue. Hey, MRIs don't pull the fillings out of your head. Maybe this is not so different.


Dental fillings are gold, amalgam, ceramic, etc. (lead if you want to go back in time a few hundred years). None of those are magnetic.
 
2012-09-21 09:44:49 PM  
I'd probably go all the way, leaving only the brain, but full body mod for the rest of the body.

/Unlike the guy from Human Revolution
//I'll ask for it
 
2012-09-22 04:15:08 PM  
nascent sub-culture of biohackers would be a great name for a band.
 
2012-09-23 10:44:03 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: This is what I think when I look at all the tattoos hipsters have. They look fine on young people, but they probably won't look as awesome when you're 80. (Or maybe they will; I shouldn't make too many assumptions.)


This is one of those things that I never get. Have you seen actually> tattooed old people? Not granny that got the one shiatty rose done by her sorority sister. I mean grandpa, who spent his youth doing god-knows-what around the world and has crazy-ass, unidentifiable tattoos to prove it. Those type of elderly people tend to be awesome, in more ways than one.

Also, if you're concerned with how you're going to look at 80, you're already missing a few points.
 
2012-09-23 10:44:43 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: This is what I think when I look at all the tattoos hipsters have. They look fine on young people, but they probably won't look as awesome when you're 80. (Or maybe they will; I shouldn't make too many assumptions.)


This is one of those things that I never get. Have you seen actually tattooed old people? Not granny that got the one shiatty rose done by her sorority sister. I mean grandpa, who spent his youth doing god-knows-what around the world and has crazy-ass, unidentifiable tattoos to prove it. Those type of elderly people tend to be awesome, in more ways than one.

Also, if you're concerned with how you're going to look at 80, you're already missing a few points.
 
2012-09-23 12:33:35 PM  

Summercat: I first asked.about.this two decades ago...

Also, waiting on implantable tail. I've got phantom limb syndrome here.


I've gotta say, that would be mad cool. Since tails are part of our genetic heritage, a very small number of people are still born with them once in a great while. Of course they're hacked off as soon as possible, so we've never found out if they'd work, or how. Makes me kind of sad. But to the extent that working prosthetics can be fashioned, I feel sure that we retain the brain wiring to use them, and it would be a much more interesting world if some people had them. I wish you well.
 
2012-09-23 12:37:10 PM  

you have pee hands: brianbankerus: What other downsides could it have? I'm seriously interested in this strange idea.

You'll constantly get locked out of hotel rooms because you'll deprogram your key every time you touch it.


I doubt it. These are *not* the kinds of magnets used to stick tiny plastic pieces of fruit to refrigerators. I mean, they are the same in that they're small passive magnets, but theyr'e *much* smaller and weaker, and I seriously doubt they're powerful enough to do anything like mess up a hotel keycard.
 
2012-09-23 12:44:18 PM  

Summercat: whosits_112: Summercat: I first asked.about.this two decades ago...

Also, waiting on implantable tail. I've got phantom limb syndrome here.

Oh lord. Just what we need. Furries modding themselves out with tails, claws, cat ears, etc. Guess what? We're not hiring, Lion-O!

'cept I already has a job, and if push comes to shove, can get off my lazy ass and work jobs where they don't care about stuff like that :3


I hope I live long enough to see a world where a majority of people are grown up enough to know the difference between appearance and substance. If I were in a hiring position, I'd happily hire any compentent and reliable person, no matter what they looked like. In fact, I'd be happy to hire the freaks, because conformists irritate me.
 
2012-09-23 12:47:25 PM  

Summercat: whosits_112: Summercat: whosits_112: Summercat: I first asked.about.this two decades ago...

Also, waiting on implantable tail. I've got phantom limb syndrome here.

Oh lord. Just what we need. Furries modding themselves out with tails, claws, cat ears, etc. Guess what? We're not hiring, Lion-O!

'cept I already has a job, and if push comes to shove, can get off my lazy ass and work jobs where they don't care about stuff like that :3

I think we should keep the "I'm an animal trapped in a human body" thing to where it belongs: FantasyLand.

Have fun agreeing with all the fundies then :)


As a human being, I'd just like to say that I very definitely am an animal in a human body. And because I have a human brain, I could conceivably be any or several different kinds of human animal.
 
2012-09-23 12:52:19 PM  

Herbie555: TheOmni: I really do want to get the magnet in the fingertip mod.

Me too, but aside from the MRI problem, there's one thing keeping me from doing it: I'm pretty sure I know exactly what the implantation would feel like; and I'm afraid it would be a repeat of the single worst pain I've ever experienced.

Several years ago, I suffered an accident involving a VERY sharp pocket knife and my pinkie finger. The knife was basically scalpel-sharp and had partially opened in my pocket. The blade protruded through the pocket of my jeans and when I went to hike a bag up onto my shoulder I sliced my left pinkie finger pretty much directly down the midline (palm side), from the joint of the first knuckle to the tip. That sort of hurt. As I say, the blade was very sharp, so it was a very clean single slash - not ragged or anything, but a bit deep. Went to urgent care and informed them that I was quite concerned about the injury because I play guitar and didn't want to lose sensitivity or use of that joint. Fortunately, the Doc on call at the urgent care clinic on a Sunday morning in Vegas just happened to be experienced in hand surgery. He did an expert repair of the finger with five or six VERY small micro-sutures. What I'm leaving out is the actual procedure: By far, the absolute worst pain I've ever experienced in my entire life was the injection of the local anesthetic into the fingertip. Like a dental local, you have to inject a small amount in multiple places around the wound. OH MY DEITY, did that ever hurt. I've been burned, lacerated, perforated (stabbed), abraded (road rash), and just about every other localized minor injury you can sustain short of being shot, and that friggen series of injections was the worst.

Side note: It took about four years to regain full "normal" sensitivity in the finger pad around the injury. There was always a sense of touch, but it was dampened or altered somehow for many years. I've heard similar from other people with such ...


I appreciate your concern, but I don't think it would be like that. When you had this procedure done, the area being anaesthetised was already in a state of trauma and inflammation, and therefore much more susceptible to additional insult. In the case of a healthy and undamaged finger, it doesn't have to be like that. Not the least because there's more that can be done, including things that perhaps could have been done but were not for some reason. For example, a topical analgesic can help to reduce the sensation at the injection site.

If this is the big obstacle for you, then I'd suggest discussing it with a qualified professional, telling them the same story you just did. I can't help but believe that this doesn't need to the deal killer for you.
 
2012-09-23 12:55:00 PM  

brianbankerus: you have pee hands: brianbankerus: What other downsides could it have? I'm seriously interested in this strange idea.

You'll constantly get locked out of hotel rooms because you'll deprogram your key every time you touch it.

Nope. Read a FAQ from a guy who has one. He said he tried to deprogram a credit card with it and couldn't do it no matter how much he played with it, rubbing it specifically across the magnetic area. So nope, not that.

Even read that someone has had an MRI with it in without issue. Hey, MRIs don't pull the fillings out of your head. Maybe this is not so different.


Well, MRIs only affect ferromagnetic materials. I'm not sure what's in modern filling amalgams, but it might not be magnetic.
 
2012-09-23 01:08:38 PM  

OniExpress: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: This is what I think when I look at all the tattoos hipsters have. They look fine on young people, but they probably won't look as awesome when you're 80. (Or maybe they will; I shouldn't make too many assumptions.)

This is one of those things that I never get. Have you seen actually> tattooed old people? Not granny that got the one shiatty rose done by her sorority sister. I mean grandpa, who spent his youth doing god-knows-what around the world and has crazy-ass, unidentifiable tattoos to prove it. Those type of elderly people tend to be awesome, in more ways than one.

Also, if you're concerned with how you're going to look at 80, you're already missing a few points.


You're right, and that's the flipside to what I confess is a bit of kneejerk reaction. It really follows from my wondering if a lot of the young people I see have considered it themselves. And it also follows from a realisation that the human body tends to slump and crinkle with age, which can't help but change the appearance of tattoos. Yet as you astutely point out, that doesn't necessarily imply anything at all about how those same people or those around them will experience it decades from now, and so you're absolutely right that it's of little value for me to speculate on it. I would say, I guess, that the questions are what interest me, a good deal more than any answers that might be available, because they can lead to this kind of dialogue.

In my father's generation, "ladies" did not get tattoos, and most men did not either, other than sailors. (No one ever told me, but I always assumed that that orignated many years ago from a fear of one's body turning up and not being identified.) By my own parents' generation, it became more common for counterculture folks such as bikers and some hippies. My generation was the one that introduced strictly decorative tattoos -- that is, ones that did not necessarily attach to a person's lifestyle or livilihood, though most of them did. (Sadly, this includes breast tigers and tramp stamps. We apologise.) The generation after ours introduced the concept of tattoo as accessory, and that's been very interesting to watch. It's party been made possible by advances in tattoo removal, since my generation grew up with the understanding that tattoos are forever, and that's no longer true.

I'm getting off the rails here, as I do, but I wanted to say that you're right, my remark echoes some outdated thinking that really doesn't have much relevance anymore. I should have though it through better before posting it. It's all the more embarrasing because it clashes with my philosophy that the world is interesting when people do interesting things, and there's no reason that nursing homes shouldn't be interesting places with plenty of fodder to spark interesting conversation.
 
2012-09-23 01:09:48 PM  

OniExpress: Also, if you're concerned with how you're going to look at 80, you're already missing a few points.


Right you are. That's a bit of real wisdom there.
 
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