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(News9 Oklahoma)   Tulsa megachurch pastors wait two weeks to announce that a 13-year old member was filled with the Holy Spirit   (news9.com) divider line 44
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2012-09-20 09:50:55 PM  
8 votes:
"Authorities, however, fear some parishioners in the large, tight-knit south Tulsa congregation may choose to pray about the allegations rather than provide concrete evidence."

I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

There's nothing less valuable than a fanatical religious person.
2012-09-20 09:50:23 PM  
6 votes:
Once again Christian values are under attack, he should be able to pay her father 50 silver and marry her just as it is defined in the bible.
2012-09-20 10:50:10 PM  
4 votes:

DubyaHater: Why must we continually persecute Christians in this country?


Because they keep sticking their dicks in children.
2012-09-20 09:50:55 PM  
4 votes:
Nice to know sex crime cover-ups aren't solely the domain of the Catholics.
2012-09-20 11:13:13 PM  
3 votes:

Alphakronik: I have yet to see religion actually help someone


Religion in the pre-Constantine Roman Empire was largely an elitist pursuit. The Romans would conquer a land, incorporate the local gods into their pantheon, and go about their business. Those with high status would make their sacrifices to the gods of their choosing, knowing that even if those prayers were unanswered, they'd be inured against any fallout (since they were of high status).

Christianity was born out of a permanent underclass in Roman territories, whose lives were so different from the elite that they had no other option but to believe that their reward awaited them in the afterlife. They were different from the Romans, and that's what made them special - they would have eternal life. No matter how terrible their lives were, and they could get pretty terrible, they took solace in their belief that they would live forever in heaven because they believed in the one, true God.

I'm as atheist as they come, but I'm not going to argue that those original Christians weren't helped by their religion. It was the only thing keeping them from laying down and dying.
2012-09-20 10:26:56 PM  
3 votes:
It's a nasty situation, but if the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts and Penn State have taught us nothing, it's that it could've been worse. Two weeks is not twenty years, and the perpetrator was arrested, rather than sent to a different church with a stern warning to sin no more. It's crazy that these are the sorts of yardsticks we have, but it's not like we lack examples of organizations being much, much more evil when it comes to sex abuse.
2012-09-20 10:15:24 PM  
3 votes:

DancingElkCondor: Just think...if this was a Muslim mosque....they would have stoned the girl to death. And the Derp Liberals would be yelling "Islam is a Religion of Peace"

This church needs to be disbanded....however this incident is not indicative of all of Christianity.


Oh look, a conservative Christian in a religion thread! Go on, regale us with your tales of how your brand of crazy is somehow better than the others...

Seriously, what the hell, man? I count myself as an independent, but I'll have to take the "liberal" side here--if a girl gets stoned by a mob of Muslims, you blame the mob, not the religion. For example: that lunatic pastor in Florida (the one with the equally-crazy facial hair). He stood there, with cameras on him, advocating for the burning of the Qu'ran, but you don't go around saying all Christians are insane. Clearly, the one pastor is insane, but not all Christians are.
2012-09-20 10:30:20 PM  
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."

Exactly. But half the people here either conveniently forget, or never actually realized that this is the real problem.


I try to be optimistic and hope that article like this help them to remember.

Also from the end: "Smith said police are pursuing cases involving at least two more victims and another suspect. In one of the cases, police have failed to connect with the accuser. In the other, the victim's parents are not cooperating, Smith said,

"They made a comment that the church is handling the situation and they're going to continue to pray about it," Smith said Thursday. "We're still hoping to convince them to go forward with it."

Having studied criminal law and cases (only have an AAS, but it's a lot more than most people bother for), people who refuse to report abuse or cooperate disgust me. This is why crime statistics are all farked up and people don't know how prevalent it is.
2012-09-20 10:23:43 PM  
2 votes:

maram500: /We've seen Catholics, now Protestants


If this is the first time you've heard of abuse at Protestant churches you haven't been paying attention. The Catholic Church has got a lot more publicity but the Protestants are actually more abusive and freakier.
2012-09-20 10:19:17 PM  
2 votes:

basemetal: [www.strangmail.com image 850x1115]


She's got Michelle Bachmann eyes.

Seriously, the articles listed on that cover are truly scary. "Raising Pure Children"?
2012-09-20 09:55:26 PM  
2 votes:

basemetal: [www.strangmail.com image 850x1115]


Ron White has really let himself go.
2012-09-20 09:52:05 PM  
2 votes:
And one more Porn actress is created
2012-09-21 01:47:20 AM  
1 votes:
FTA Once the complaint reached HR, "that department did not follow its own reporting policy," the ministry admitted in the statement.

Holy sh*t, two of the most horrible things ever created by humanity combined into one -- Christianity and Human Resources. It's like the Reese's peanut butter cup of unfiltered evil.
2012-09-21 12:14:43 AM  
1 votes:

DubyaHater: Why must we continually persecute Christians in this country?


because they keep raping children
2012-09-20 11:10:30 PM  
1 votes:
www.sportsherniablog.com

14 days? Try 14 years. Amateurs.
2012-09-20 11:04:07 PM  
1 votes:
As my granny always used to say, a rape in the stairwell is better than two in the bush.
2012-09-20 11:02:51 PM  
1 votes:
I have yet to see religion actually help someone.
2012-09-20 10:58:31 PM  
1 votes:
Police said this week that the worldwide ministry's pastor and co-founder, Sharon Daugherty, whose daily broadcasts are beamed via satellite to more than 200 countries, knew about the abuse allegations, but trusted ministry employees to follow in-house policies on reporting such incidents.

static1.purepeople.com 
/R.I.P?
2012-09-20 10:51:13 PM  
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


4/10

Would have been funnier if you had managed to make a Starship Troopers reference.
2012-09-20 10:43:52 PM  
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


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2012-09-20 10:43:19 PM  
1 votes:

Brick-House: Just like everyone is yelling that Gay Marrage should be OK, 20 years from now, this is going to be an accepted norm. Just my prediction.


I don't think rape is something we'll all just stop being judgemental about someday.
2012-09-20 10:37:55 PM  
1 votes:
The question we all want to know is "Was the 13 year old girl hot?"

/I wait for you at the seat over there
2012-09-20 10:36:53 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-09-20 10:35:58 PM  
1 votes:

i_got_no_strings: It's a nasty situation, but if the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts and Penn State have taught us nothing, it's that it could've been worse. Two weeks is not twenty years, and the perpetrator was arrested, rather than sent to a different church with a stern warning to sin no more. It's crazy that these are the sorts of yardsticks we have, but it's not like we lack examples of organizations being much, much more evil when it comes to sex abuse.


Check this out about the Amish and sexual abuse.

I was so angry by the end of reading that.
2012-09-20 10:32:48 PM  
1 votes:
Was that wrong? Should they not have done that?
2012-09-20 10:24:35 PM  
1 votes:
Reminds me of the way the Amish reacted to sex crimes : pray for the perpetrator, tell the victim to forgive them, never tell the police or any other outsiders who just wouldn't understand your very special ways, then rinse and repeat. If it keeps happening, blame the victim.
2012-09-20 10:22:14 PM  
1 votes:

findthefish: They don't seem to realize that their omniscient god sees all and will judge accordingly....


Their god openly admits there are other gods, and that he's jealous of them worshiping any god but him. The one true almighty and omniscient god would never say anything like that.

They're already following a dark path, things like this just make it worse.
2012-09-20 10:18:54 PM  
1 votes:
Dunno. There is a naughty air about lotsa devotees of Jesus Klaus.
2012-09-20 10:14:16 PM  
1 votes:

duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.


We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.
2012-09-20 10:13:33 PM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: If only farkers would have come out in droves like this and spoken about the horrors of organized sports on day one of the Penn State scandal..


Well they did speak out against a systemic, institutional disregard for child abuse within a place where children are supposed to feel safe, and their welfare is supposed to be prized above all else. Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."
2012-09-20 10:08:21 PM  
1 votes:

profplump: jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.



You don't want people to tell the truth in the investigation of a crime?

they are not forced to "give evidence for the state" they are asked to tell the truth, lying to investigators, "I didn't see nothing" is the crime
2012-09-20 10:08:19 PM  
1 votes:
Who does Rick Perry blame for this?
2012-09-20 10:07:41 PM  
1 votes:
When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!
2012-09-20 10:07:28 PM  
1 votes:
Where were the child's parents? Did they tell the church, but not the police? Confusing article.
2012-09-20 10:07:15 PM  
1 votes:
They don't seem to realize that their omniscient god sees all and will judge accordingly....
2012-09-20 10:05:23 PM  
1 votes:

basemetal: [www.strangmail.com image 850x1115]


That's. Just. Creepy.
2012-09-20 10:03:03 PM  
1 votes:

maram500: I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I'm disgusted that this piece of crap pastor would defile another human. (Aren't pastors and preachers supposed to be above human wants and such?) On the other hand, I'm relieved to know that (1) it's not a Catholic priest and (2) it's not a young boy (this time).

My snark doesn't work for this one, gentlemen. Someone please help.


Out of curiosity, where are you seeing it was the pastor? The linked article says it was two people who worked at the church, but the youth pastors were in trouble for failing to report it. I haven't seen anything about the actual pastors of the church doing the raping.

/doesn't make it any better, just curious if I'm missing something here
2012-09-20 09:59:20 PM  
1 votes:
Why must we continually persecute Christians in this country?
2012-09-20 09:58:46 PM  
1 votes:
Victory Christian are some crazy motherf*ckers.

Churches like that were just one more thing that made me want to leave Oklahoma.
2012-09-20 09:57:02 PM  
1 votes:

profplump: jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.


Welcome to America, foreigner.
2012-09-20 09:56:43 PM  
1 votes:

profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.


Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.
2012-09-20 09:53:43 PM  
1 votes:
Awesome headline

/got nuthin
2012-09-20 09:53:32 PM  
1 votes:
www.strangmail.com
2012-09-20 09:53:09 PM  
1 votes:

jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.


While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.
 
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