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2012-09-20 09:50:23 PM
Once again Christian values are under attack, he should be able to pay her father 50 silver and marry her just as it is defined in the bible.
 
2012-09-20 09:50:55 PM
"Authorities, however, fear some parishioners in the large, tight-knit south Tulsa congregation may choose to pray about the allegations rather than provide concrete evidence."

I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

There's nothing less valuable than a fanatical religious person.
 
2012-09-20 09:50:55 PM
Nice to know sex crime cover-ups aren't solely the domain of the Catholics.
 
2012-09-20 09:52:05 PM
And one more Porn actress is created
 
2012-09-20 09:53:09 PM

jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.


While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.
 
2012-09-20 09:53:32 PM
www.strangmail.com
 
2012-09-20 09:53:43 PM
Awesome headline

/got nuthin
 
2012-09-20 09:55:26 PM

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Ron White has really let himself go.
 
2012-09-20 09:56:20 PM
esbconline.net

/hotter than hell
 
2012-09-20 09:56:43 PM

profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.


Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.
 
2012-09-20 09:56:47 PM
I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I'm disgusted that this piece of crap pastor would defile another human. (Aren't pastors and preachers supposed to be above human wants and such?) On the other hand, I'm relieved to know that (1) it's not a Catholic priest and (2) it's not a young boy (this time).

My snark doesn't work for this one, gentlemen. Someone please help.
 
2012-09-20 09:57:02 PM

profplump: jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.


Welcome to America, foreigner.
 
2012-09-20 09:58:46 PM
Victory Christian are some crazy motherf*ckers.

Churches like that were just one more thing that made me want to leave Oklahoma.
 
2012-09-20 09:59:20 PM
Why must we continually persecute Christians in this country?
 
2012-09-20 10:03:03 PM

maram500: I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I'm disgusted that this piece of crap pastor would defile another human. (Aren't pastors and preachers supposed to be above human wants and such?) On the other hand, I'm relieved to know that (1) it's not a Catholic priest and (2) it's not a young boy (this time).

My snark doesn't work for this one, gentlemen. Someone please help.


Out of curiosity, where are you seeing it was the pastor? The linked article says it was two people who worked at the church, but the youth pastors were in trouble for failing to report it. I haven't seen anything about the actual pastors of the church doing the raping.

/doesn't make it any better, just curious if I'm missing something here
 
2012-09-20 10:04:43 PM
How funny, I am watching "Deliver us From Evil" right now.
 
2012-09-20 10:04:56 PM
So, the janitor used the Rod of G-d on the little one?
 
2012-09-20 10:05:10 PM
Let me guess, it's the girl's fault for leading the fine, upstanding Christian man to sin, but they forgive her.
 
2012-09-20 10:05:23 PM

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That's. Just. Creepy.
 
2012-09-20 10:05:58 PM
Looks like their Bibles are missing Matthew 22:21.

/Oh, and Aloha Shalom
 
2012-09-20 10:06:03 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.

Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.


If only farkers would have come out in droves like this and spoken about the horrors of organized sports on day one of the Penn State scandal..
 
2012-09-20 10:07:15 PM
They don't seem to realize that their omniscient god sees all and will judge accordingly....
 
2012-09-20 10:07:28 PM
Where were the child's parents? Did they tell the church, but not the police? Confusing article.
 
2012-09-20 10:07:41 PM
When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!
 
2012-09-20 10:08:19 PM
Who does Rick Perry blame for this?
 
2012-09-20 10:08:21 PM

profplump: jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.



You don't want people to tell the truth in the investigation of a crime?

they are not forced to "give evidence for the state" they are asked to tell the truth, lying to investigators, "I didn't see nothing" is the crime
 
2012-09-20 10:08:56 PM

FitzShivering: maram500: I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I'm disgusted that this piece of crap pastor would defile another human. (Aren't pastors and preachers supposed to be above human wants and such?) On the other hand, I'm relieved to know that (1) it's not a Catholic priest and (2) it's not a young boy (this time).

My snark doesn't work for this one, gentlemen. Someone please help.

Out of curiosity, where are you seeing it was the pastor? The linked article says it was two people who worked at the church, but the youth pastors were in trouble for failing to report it. I haven't seen anything about the actual pastors of the church doing the raping.

/doesn't make it any better, just curious if I'm missing something here


My bad. My outrage sensor just got overwhelmed and upon seeing anything about a church went straight to "goddamned pastor" mode. Still, the fact that the church workers were involved doesn't make it any better (as you astutely observed).

/We've seen Catholics, now Protestants
//When are we going to see LDS child abusers come to light?
///Or has that happened and I wasn't around?
 
2012-09-20 10:10:57 PM
Just think...if this was a Muslim mosque....they would have stoned the girl to death. And the Derp Liberals would be yelling "Islam is a Religion of Peace"

This church needs to be disbanded....however this incident is not indicative of all of Christianity.
 
2012-09-20 10:11:03 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.
 
2012-09-20 10:13:14 PM
surprisingly the comments section has not been closed yet. usually the comments are along the lines of "string him up, cut off his junk, etc. etc." of course this being a church there will always be someone to comment "the victim is probably lying"
 
2012-09-20 10:13:33 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: If only farkers would have come out in droves like this and spoken about the horrors of organized sports on day one of the Penn State scandal..


Well they did speak out against a systemic, institutional disregard for child abuse within a place where children are supposed to feel safe, and their welfare is supposed to be prized above all else. Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."
 
2012-09-20 10:14:16 PM

duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.


We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.
 
2012-09-20 10:15:24 PM

DancingElkCondor: Just think...if this was a Muslim mosque....they would have stoned the girl to death. And the Derp Liberals would be yelling "Islam is a Religion of Peace"

This church needs to be disbanded....however this incident is not indicative of all of Christianity.


Oh look, a conservative Christian in a religion thread! Go on, regale us with your tales of how your brand of crazy is somehow better than the others...

Seriously, what the hell, man? I count myself as an independent, but I'll have to take the "liberal" side here--if a girl gets stoned by a mob of Muslims, you blame the mob, not the religion. For example: that lunatic pastor in Florida (the one with the equally-crazy facial hair). He stood there, with cameras on him, advocating for the burning of the Qu'ran, but you don't go around saying all Christians are insane. Clearly, the one pastor is insane, but not all Christians are.
 
2012-09-20 10:18:01 PM

umad: duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.

We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.


You missed our last meeting. You're going to be at least a week behind on knowing what form of oppression we're delivering next. I think we've kicked you off the "War on Christmas" committee, btw. We're still unsure if you're going to be in the "War on Christian marriage" committee, but I think you're probably safe on that one, for the moment.
 
2012-09-20 10:18:39 PM

profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.


Um, assuming you live in the States, you're already there. You can "claim the fifth" if your testimony would incriminate you, yourself, but you can't say "I prefer not to share my recollection of what I saw because it's none of your business."

Would your testimony incriminate you? If so, OK. Shut up and wait for your indictment. If not, answer the freaking question.
 
2012-09-20 10:18:54 PM
Dunno. There is a naughty air about lotsa devotees of Jesus Klaus.
 
2012-09-20 10:19:17 PM

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She's got Michelle Bachmann eyes.

Seriously, the articles listed on that cover are truly scary. "Raising Pure Children"?
 
2012-09-20 10:22:14 PM

findthefish: They don't seem to realize that their omniscient god sees all and will judge accordingly....


Their god openly admits there are other gods, and that he's jealous of them worshiping any god but him. The one true almighty and omniscient god would never say anything like that.

They're already following a dark path, things like this just make it worse.
 
2012-09-20 10:23:13 PM
pagead2.googlesyndication.com
This was on my Fark page.
 
2012-09-20 10:23:43 PM

maram500: /We've seen Catholics, now Protestants


If this is the first time you've heard of abuse at Protestant churches you haven't been paying attention. The Catholic Church has got a lot more publicity but the Protestants are actually more abusive and freakier.
 
2012-09-20 10:23:53 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!



Login: WhoopAssWayne
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Hmm. I think you have set a new record for newest account to earn a coveted spot on the ignore list. Congratulations.
 
2012-09-20 10:24:35 PM
Reminds me of the way the Amish reacted to sex crimes : pray for the perpetrator, tell the victim to forgive them, never tell the police or any other outsiders who just wouldn't understand your very special ways, then rinse and repeat. If it keeps happening, blame the victim.
 
2012-09-20 10:24:58 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."


Exactly. But half the people here either conveniently forget, or never actually realized that this is the real problem.
 
2012-09-20 10:25:04 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


Put down the pipe.
 
2012-09-20 10:26:56 PM
It's a nasty situation, but if the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts and Penn State have taught us nothing, it's that it could've been worse. Two weeks is not twenty years, and the perpetrator was arrested, rather than sent to a different church with a stern warning to sin no more. It's crazy that these are the sorts of yardsticks we have, but it's not like we lack examples of organizations being much, much more evil when it comes to sex abuse.
 
2012-09-20 10:30:20 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."

Exactly. But half the people here either conveniently forget, or never actually realized that this is the real problem.


I try to be optimistic and hope that article like this help them to remember.

Also from the end: "Smith said police are pursuing cases involving at least two more victims and another suspect. In one of the cases, police have failed to connect with the accuser. In the other, the victim's parents are not cooperating, Smith said,

"They made a comment that the church is handling the situation and they're going to continue to pray about it," Smith said Thursday. "We're still hoping to convince them to go forward with it."

Having studied criminal law and cases (only have an AAS, but it's a lot more than most people bother for), people who refuse to report abuse or cooperate disgust me. This is why crime statistics are all farked up and people don't know how prevalent it is.
 
2012-09-20 10:32:48 PM
Was that wrong? Should they not have done that?
 
2012-09-20 10:35:58 PM

i_got_no_strings: It's a nasty situation, but if the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts and Penn State have taught us nothing, it's that it could've been worse. Two weeks is not twenty years, and the perpetrator was arrested, rather than sent to a different church with a stern warning to sin no more. It's crazy that these are the sorts of yardsticks we have, but it's not like we lack examples of organizations being much, much more evil when it comes to sex abuse.


Check this out about the Amish and sexual abuse.

I was so angry by the end of reading that.
 
2012-09-20 10:36:53 PM
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2012-09-20 10:37:29 PM

Bondith: Let me guess, it's the girl's fault for leading the fine, upstanding Christian man to sin, but they forgive her.


I think it should be "Spare the child and spoil the rod."

You know, masturbate!
 
2012-09-20 10:37:55 PM
The question we all want to know is "Was the 13 year old girl hot?"

/I wait for you at the seat over there
 
2012-09-20 10:38:05 PM

Another Government Employee: So, the janitor used the Rod of G-d on the little one?


I quoted the wrong freaking one!
 
2012-09-20 10:38:06 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2012-09-20 10:38:31 PM
Just like everyone is yelling that Gay Marrage should be OK, 20 years from now, this is going to be an accepted norm. Just my prediction.
 
2012-09-20 10:38:50 PM

halB: I think it should be "Spare the child and spoil the rod."

You know, masturbate!


The alternate reading of that is that if you spare the child, your rod will spoil... so spoil that child like your rod depended on it.
 
2012-09-20 10:39:42 PM

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Christian Travel Hotspots in America (AKA, Things to do in the Midwest, South and Southwest)
 
2012-09-20 10:41:11 PM

DancingElkCondor: Just think...if this was a Muslim mosque....they would have stoned the girl to death. And the Derp Liberals would be yelling "Islam is a Religion of Peace"

This church needs to be disbanded....however this incident is not indicative of all of Christianity.


I'm sure you can provide a cite to back that up. Can't you?
 
2012-09-20 10:41:50 PM

Brick-House: Just like everyone is yelling that Gay Marrage should be OK, 20 years from now, this is going to be an accepted norm. Just my prediction.


Yeah. Accepted. In megachurches.
 
2012-09-20 10:42:09 PM

Kanemano: they are not forced to "give evidence for the state" they are asked to tell the truth, lying to investigators, "I didn't see nothing" is the crime


The article didn't suggest lying, it suggested simply not talking. If you want that to be a crime I don't want to live in your country.
 
2012-09-20 10:43:14 PM
Huh. It doesn't seem to be a Catholic church. You mean other religions can have sex scandals too? You'd never guess, what with all the priest jokes all the time.
 
2012-09-20 10:43:19 PM

Brick-House: Just like everyone is yelling that Gay Marrage should be OK, 20 years from now, this is going to be an accepted norm. Just my prediction.


I don't think rape is something we'll all just stop being judgemental about someday.
 
2012-09-20 10:43:52 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-20 10:44:19 PM

soosh: Victory Christian are some crazy motherf*ckers.

Churches like that were just one more thing that made me want to leave Oklahoma.


From one redneck jerkwater hellhole to another. Good job!
 
2012-09-20 10:44:34 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."

Exactly. But half the people here either conveniently forget, or never actually realized that this is the real problem.


The sheep who follow any of these institutions will always make excuses and try to steer the conversation away from the crime.

Anyone who can be mind-farked into giving away at least 10 percent of their income (tithes, booster club, donations, etc) has questionable judgement.
 
2012-09-20 10:44:48 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."

Exactly. But half the people here either conveniently forget, or never actually realized that this is the real problem.


My words were chosen poorly in that sentence (yes, I know I do sound like a politician). The horrors are the actual child molestation events, without question. But the ultimate consequences for the institution will be based on whether they did something positive or engaged in a systemic coverup in order to protect the image of their institutions. Small difference, I know, but my pedantic side kicked in and made me realize that I argued that the coverup was worse than the crime. No, the crime is still horrible. The coverup just sheds light on the institution in question.
 
2012-09-20 10:45:06 PM

aaronx: Um, assuming you live in the States, you're already there. You can "claim the fifth" if your testimony would incriminate you, yourself, but you can't say "I prefer not to share my recollection of what I saw because it's none of your business.


In the US I'm under no obligation to come forward and give a statement to the police. And I maintain you wouldn't like a state where that was true. Even court orders to appear and testify are a bit scary, but at least they're overseen by the judiciary.
 
2012-09-20 10:46:28 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


www.trilobite.org
 
2012-09-20 10:47:53 PM

duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.


Me? I go back to raping your dad in the prison shower.
 
2012-09-20 10:49:49 PM

kg2095: I'm sure you can provide a cite to back that up. Can't you?


You've been hooked. It's DEC's MO to threadshiat and run. He's the worst kind of troll, the coward troll.
 
2012-09-20 10:50:10 PM

DubyaHater: Why must we continually persecute Christians in this country?


Because they keep sticking their dicks in children.
 
2012-09-20 10:51:13 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


4/10

Would have been funnier if you had managed to make a Starship Troopers reference.
 
2012-09-20 10:51:24 PM
excuse me WhoopAssWayne, but i disagree with a few points of your post. please allow me to address these issues:

1) "difficult situation" - an allegedly drunk man attempted a legitimate rape on a child. he should be judged bu both god's authority and man's. therefore the cops should be called to investigate. period.

2) "zero experience, contribution, etc. ..." - please post resume or curriculum vitae or STFU

3) "no tax, no vote" - while i suspect that 24 is higher than you count (even with your shoes off!) you may wish to brush up on a certain amendment to the constitution. for your convenience, i have linked it here
 
2012-09-20 10:53:16 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: BraveNewCheneyWorld: If only farkers would have come out in droves like this and spoken about the horrors of organized sports on day one of the Penn State scandal..

Well they did speak out against a systemic, institutional disregard for child abuse within a place where children are supposed to feel safe, and their welfare is supposed to be prized above all else. Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."

 
2012-09-20 10:55:16 PM
I honestly feel bad for anyone who wasn't raped by a church employee as a child. It means you weren't one of the adorable ones.
 
2012-09-20 10:56:18 PM
3.2 beer will do that to you...
 
2012-09-20 10:58:31 PM
Police said this week that the worldwide ministry's pastor and co-founder, Sharon Daugherty, whose daily broadcasts are beamed via satellite to more than 200 countries, knew about the abuse allegations, but trusted ministry employees to follow in-house policies on reporting such incidents.

static1.purepeople.com 
/R.I.P?
 
2012-09-20 11:00:11 PM

FitzShivering: umad: duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.

We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.

You missed our last meeting. You're going to be at least a week behind on knowing what form of oppression we're delivering next. I think we've kicked you off the "War on Christmas" committee, btw. We're still unsure if you're going to be in the "War on Christian marriage" committee, but I think you're probably safe on that one, for the moment.


Can I have him for the Cultural Christmasers Commitee? We're responsible for raising belief in santa etc and celebrating christmas as a cultural establishment rather than a religious one.

/ because we like presents
 
2012-09-20 11:00:54 PM

Brick-House: Just like everyone is yelling that Gay Marrage should be OK, 20 years from now, this is going to be an accepted norm. Just my prediction.


60 years ago it was
 
2012-09-20 11:02:18 PM

Brick-House: Just like everyone is yelling that Gay Marrage should be OK, 20 years from now, this is going to be an accepted norm. Just my prediction.


Please, dumbass, enlighten us more about how two consenting adults in love is the same as raping children.
 
2012-09-20 11:02:51 PM
I have yet to see religion actually help someone.
 
2012-09-20 11:04:07 PM
As my granny always used to say, a rape in the stairwell is better than two in the bush.
 
2012-09-20 11:05:53 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


Christians are good at imaging that non Christians are losers.
 
2012-09-20 11:06:39 PM

LOTN: FitzShivering: umad: duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.

We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.

You missed our last meeting. You're going to be at least a week behind on knowing what form of oppression we're delivering next. I think we've kicked you off the "War on Christmas" committee, btw. We're still unsure if you're going to be in the "War on Christian marriage" committee, but I think you're probably safe on that one, for the moment.

Can I have him for the Cultural Christmasers Commitee? We're responsible for raising belief in santa etc and celebrating christmas as a cultural establishment rather than a religious one.

/ because we like presents


we also like decorated pine trees. and lights. and the music ain't too shabby either.
 
2012-09-20 11:08:12 PM

MrHappyRotter: As my granny always used to say, a rape in the stairwell is better than two in the bush.


Only if it's the stairwell to the backdoor, right? Because it's not legitimate rape then?

I'm confused.
 
2012-09-20 11:10:01 PM

Another Government Employee: So, the janitor used the Rod of G-d on the little one?


No. He used the rod of GOD, dumbass.

Taking the lords name is vein would be to say "for christ's sake, you are one dumb god damn redneck."

See the difference?
 
2012-09-20 11:10:30 PM
www.sportsherniablog.com

14 days? Try 14 years. Amateurs.
 
2012-09-20 11:12:12 PM
More volunteers for "behind the chemical shed" training.
 
2012-09-20 11:13:13 PM

Alphakronik: I have yet to see religion actually help someone


Religion in the pre-Constantine Roman Empire was largely an elitist pursuit. The Romans would conquer a land, incorporate the local gods into their pantheon, and go about their business. Those with high status would make their sacrifices to the gods of their choosing, knowing that even if those prayers were unanswered, they'd be inured against any fallout (since they were of high status).

Christianity was born out of a permanent underclass in Roman territories, whose lives were so different from the elite that they had no other option but to believe that their reward awaited them in the afterlife. They were different from the Romans, and that's what made them special - they would have eternal life. No matter how terrible their lives were, and they could get pretty terrible, they took solace in their belief that they would live forever in heaven because they believed in the one, true God.

I'm as atheist as they come, but I'm not going to argue that those original Christians weren't helped by their religion. It was the only thing keeping them from laying down and dying.
 
2012-09-20 11:16:25 PM

jmr61: "Authorities, however, fear some parishioners in the large, tight-knit south Tulsa congregation may choose to pray about the allegations rather than provide concrete evidence."

I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

There's nothing less valuable than a fanatical religious person.


likely the cops are part of the congregation. Thats how things work in the middle of nowhere. Everybody is somebodies uncle/cousin/brother, and often you aren't likely to go after your own.
 
2012-09-20 11:18:02 PM
I attended Victory when I was a child(yes really, because parents) but I was never raped. Should I feel left out? Also, I had a crush on Billy Joe, and Sharon's oldest Daughter. Never told her though.

Csb/sad and also true
 
2012-09-20 11:19:57 PM

profplump: Kanemano: they are not forced to "give evidence for the state" they are asked to tell the truth, lying to investigators, "I didn't see nothing" is the crime

The article didn't suggest lying, it suggested simply not talking. If you want that to be a crime I don't want to live in your country.


Pack your bags, hindering prosecution is already a crime
 
2012-09-20 11:23:18 PM

FunkOut: i_got_no_strings: It's a nasty situation, but if the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts and Penn State have taught us nothing, it's that it could've been worse. Two weeks is not twenty years, and the perpetrator was arrested, rather than sent to a different church with a stern warning to sin no more. It's crazy that these are the sorts of yardsticks we have, but it's not like we lack examples of organizations being much, much more evil when it comes to sex abuse.

Check this out about the Amish and sexual abuse.

I was so angry by the end of reading that.


That hurt my heart. Especially the poor girl whose parents punished her with excessive dentistry.
 
2012-09-20 11:26:02 PM

LemSkroob: jmr61: "Authorities, however, fear some parishioners in the large, tight-knit south Tulsa congregation may choose to pray about the allegations rather than provide concrete evidence."

I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

There's nothing less valuable than a fanatical religious person.

likely the cops are part of the congregation. Thats how things work in the middle of nowhere. Everybody is somebodies uncle/cousin/brother, and often you aren't likely to go after your own.


While Tulsa is not a huge metropolis, it is not really the middle of nowhere.

That said, it is even more likely the cops are getting lots of extra duty pay, likely 3 or 4 times their base salary, from the church. These mega churches pay off, er help out, the cops with this extra duty for things like security and traffic control.

In return, the cops don't give them any preferential treatment or anything I'm sure.
 
2012-09-20 11:26:42 PM

brianbankerus: Another Government Employee: So, the janitor used the Rod of G-d on the little one?

No. He used the rod of GOD, dumbass.

Taking the lords name is vein would be to say "for christ's sake, you are one dumb god damn redneck."

See the difference?


woah, calm down there papa bear. in some religions it is not considered proper to write it at all, whether it is "in vain" or not. a quick google found this for judaism:

"Writing the Name of God

Jews do not casually write any Name of God. This practice does not come from the commandment not to take the Lord's Name in vain, as many suppose. In Jewish thought, that commandment refers solely to oath-taking, and is a prohibition against swearing by God's Name falsely or frivolously (the word normally translated as "in vain" literally means "for falsehood").

Judaism does not prohibit writing the Name of God per se; it prohibits only erasing or defacing a Name of God. However, observant Jews avoid writing any Name of God casually because of the risk that the written Name might later be defaced, obliterated or destroyed accidentally or by one who does not know better. " source
 
2012-09-20 11:27:15 PM
Don't forget, she could be the seductress that led these poor weak men astray. Yeah, that's the ticket. She's a seductress I tell ya. If it's a good enough excuse for the Catholics it's good enough for the Victorites
 
2012-09-20 11:27:45 PM

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!



As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. Romans 14:1 

People lashing out at your faith because of things like this? Be the example. Show that the actions of criminals do not speak for you or your faith. This statement of yours? It just shows me the same tribalism that caused that church to second guess it's responsibility that has delayed justice from happening.
 
2012-09-20 11:29:40 PM

Tymast: Once again Christian values are under attack, he should be able to pay her father 50 silver and marry her just as it is defined in the bible.


I don't know, I heard that he seethed a goat in its own milk and that he wears cloth made from different materials. He even eats shellfish!
 
2012-09-20 11:33:07 PM

FitzShivering: umad: duffblue:
I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.

We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.

You missed our last meeting. You're going to be at least a week behind on knowing what form of oppression we're delivering next. I think we've kicked you off the "War on Christmas" committee, btw. We're still unsure if you're going to be in the "War on Christian marriage" committee, but I think you're probably safe on that one, for the moment.


The Gay Agenda subcommittee's recent acquisition of Chik-Fil-A (converted into an arm of the war on religion) has raised concerns that expanding the War on Christian Marriage committee is unnecessary.  JC Penney's soldiers are already training Chik-Fil-A's workers in homosexuality as we speak.
 
2012-09-20 11:35:43 PM

MrHappyRotter: I honestly feel bad for anyone who wasn't raped by a church employee as a child. It means you weren't one of the adorable ones.


Awesome. I win!
 
2012-09-20 11:36:04 PM

fluffy2097: DubyaHater: Why must we continually persecute Christians in this country?

Because they keep sticking their dicks in children.


Yeah, but this time little girls were involved. Therefore it's not gay and right on the Eyes of The Lord.
 
2012-09-20 11:38:06 PM
Organized religion is the problem
 
2012-09-20 11:39:41 PM
Max - shut up
 
2012-09-20 11:46:04 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Alphakronik: I have yet to see religion actually help someone

Religion in the pre-Constantine Roman Empire was largely an elitist pursuit. The Romans would conquer a land, incorporate the local gods into their pantheon, and go about their business. Those with high status would make their sacrifices to the gods of their choosing, knowing that even if those prayers were unanswered, they'd be inured against any fallout (since they were of high status).

Christianity was born out of a permanent underclass in Roman territories, whose lives were so different from the elite that they had no other option but to believe that their reward awaited them in the afterlife. They were different from the Romans, and that's what made them special - they would have eternal life. No matter how terrible their lives were, and they could get pretty terrible, they took solace in their belief that they would live forever in heaven because they believed in the one, true God.

I'm as atheist as they come, but I'm not going to argue that those original Christians weren't helped by their religion. It was the only thing keeping them from laying down and dying.


Much as the Cathars believed, those in that time used their faith to pull through much turmoil. It wasn't a higher being that brought them through that, but a inward belief in themselves that they deemed a higher power or "god".

/baptized Catholic
//practicing agnostic
 
2012-09-20 11:49:38 PM
FTFA: Associated Press

TULSA, Okla. (AP) - A 17,000-member megachurch deep in Oklahoma's Bible Belt has been rattled by allegations that five employees waited two weeks to report the rape of a 13-year-old girl in a campus stairwell, allegedly by a church worker.

Tulsa police say the girl is among at least three victims of alleged sex crimes by two former employees of Victory Christian Center who face criminal charges. A child crimes investigator says more victims could surface as police continue to investigate.

Authorities, however, fear some parishioners in the large, tight-knit south Tulsa congregation may choose to pray about the allegations rather than provide concrete evidence.


Okay, first of all, it sounds like the church members are "rattled" by the fact that the allegations were made at all. Allowing this kind of thing to go public might put a serious dent in the collections, and God only knows how much it will screw up the ice cream social schedule...

And secondly... if a church has 17,000 members, wouldn't that make it a kilochurch...?
 
2012-09-21 12:02:13 AM

Fark Me To Tears:
And secondly... if a church has 17,000 members, wouldn't that make it a kilochurch...?


Excellent.
 
2012-09-21 12:02:43 AM
Easy fix, inform the congregation that any members who are found to have had knowledge of things but don't come forward will be arrested for whatever statute Oklahoma has on their books for impeding an investigation.
 
2012-09-21 12:08:53 AM
Family values people!

Deuteronomy
22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Now, if she wasn't a virgin, the guy's home free. Maybe they spent the week trying to determine if she was?

There is your Biblical definition of marriage by the way.
 
2012-09-21 12:11:30 AM

God-is-a-Taco: FitzShivering: umad: duffblue:
I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.

We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.

You missed our last meeting. You're going to be at least a week behind on knowing what form of oppression we're delivering next. I think we've kicked you off the "War on Christmas" committee, btw. We're still unsure if you're going to be in the "War on Christian marriage" committee, but I think you're probably safe on that one, for the moment.

The Gay Agenda subcommittee's recent acquisition of Chik-Fil-A (converted into an arm of the war on religion) has raised concerns that expanding the War on Christian Marriage committee is unnecessary.  JC Penney's soldiers are already training Chik-Fil-A's workers in homosexuality as we speak.


Honestly, I'm fine with ditching the War on Christian Marriage. I think the Living in Sin initiative is doing a bang up job of spreading the word that premarital sex is cool, so we are still hitting them on that front. We need to actually spend some resources to improve this year's bisexual orgy extravaganza. We put it off until the last minute last year and it ended up being pretty lame. They didn't even have a glory hole! Anyway, it is a big recruiting tool, so we need to do it right.
 
2012-09-21 12:13:32 AM
I'm so sick of hearing about these issues one after the other, like a freakishly terrifying chain mail that people can't stop forwarding. But it's not religion's fault, oh no! The fact that the sun god of the desert demands we suppress our humanity has nothing to do with it's follower's violent sexual explosions.
 
2012-09-21 12:14:35 AM
Fark these people with a farking rusty chainsaw.

I don't care who your invisible fiend is ... when I child is assaulted you report it to the police immediately and you co-operate fully.

There are no other options. No psychic begging to your imaginary friends ... no internal attempts to redeem or rehabilitate. You do not have the authority in the real world.

Stop trying to protect church profits ... protect the children!!!

/anyone who hesitated for a second should be beaten within an inch of their lives (+/- 2 inches)
 
2012-09-21 12:14:43 AM

DubyaHater: Why must we continually persecute Christians in this country?


because they keep raping children
 
2012-09-21 12:18:18 AM

Tainted1: DubyaHater: Why must we continually persecute Christians in this country?

because they keep raping children


mgoblog.com 

That's a Bingo!!!
 
2012-09-21 12:37:33 AM

FitzShivering: umad: duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.

We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.

You missed our last meeting. You're going to be at least a week behind on knowing what form of oppression we're delivering next. I think we've kicked you off the "War on Christmas" committee, btw. We're still unsure if you're going to be in the "War on Christian marriage" committee, but I think you're probably safe on that one, for the moment.


Damn you Obama!
 
2012-09-21 01:03:11 AM

WhoopAssWayne: //No Tax, No Vote!


well if you would like to skip past the predicted decline and collapse of capitalism and jump straight to the communist revolution part, go right ahead.
 
2012-09-21 01:03:14 AM

Ikahoshi: Nice to know sex crime cover-ups aren't solely the domain of the Catholics.


Or college sports.
 
2012-09-21 01:18:39 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.

Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.


"I was molested by my pastor and Bashar & Asma's Infinite Playlist knew ALL ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T TELL!"
[bang!] That'll be 15 years for failure to report!
"But your honor, I DIDN'T know about it!"
Whatever, tell it to your appellate attorney.

Basically, the burden will be on you at that point to prove you didn't know something--and proving a negative is nearly impossible in this context.
 
2012-09-21 01:20:11 AM
Tulsa megachurch pastors wait two weeks to announce that a 13-year old member was filled with the Holy Spirit

Member or "member"?
 
2012-09-21 01:47:20 AM
FTA Once the complaint reached HR, "that department did not follow its own reporting policy," the ministry admitted in the statement.

Holy sh*t, two of the most horrible things ever created by humanity combined into one -- Christianity and Human Resources. It's like the Reese's peanut butter cup of unfiltered evil.
 
2012-09-21 01:55:57 AM

jmr61: "Authorities, however, fear some parishioners in the large, tight-knit south Tulsa congregation may choose to pray about the allegations rather than provide concrete evidence."

I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

There's nothing less valuable than a fanatical religious person.


Forget it Jake, it's Tulsa
 
2012-09-21 02:07:52 AM

Ed Grubermann: soosh: Victory Christian are some crazy motherf*ckers.

Churches like that were just one more thing that made me want to leave Oklahoma.

From one redneck jerkwater hellhole to another. Good job!



"You mean you changed it TO 'Latrine'?"
"Yeah. It used to be 'Shiathouse.'"

/no dog in the fight, just connotated the exchange.
 
2012-09-21 02:18:49 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.

Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.

If only farkers would have come out in droves like this and spoken about the horrors of organized sports on day one of the Penn State scandal..


Organized sports have morals, religions don't.
 
2012-09-21 02:59:45 AM
Isn't this all just part of god's plan?
 
2012-09-21 03:10:40 AM

LemSkroob: jmr61: "Authorities, however, fear some parishioners in the large, tight-knit south Tulsa congregation may choose to pray about the allegations rather than provide concrete evidence."

I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

There's nothing less valuable than a fanatical religious person.

likely the cops are part of the congregation. Thats how things work in the middle of nowhere. Everybody is somebodies uncle/cousin/brother, and often you aren't likely to go after your own.


It's the Tulsa PD. It's very unlikely any of the officers are part of the congregation, as that would interfere with their gang memberships, drug/arms dealing or Vic Mackey cosplay.
 
2012-09-21 03:11:25 AM

Gyrfalcon: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.

Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.

"I was molested by my pastor and Bashar & Asma's Infinite Playlist knew ALL ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T TELL!"
[bang!] That'll be 15 years for failure to report!
"But your honor, I DIDN'T know about it!"
Whatever, tell it to your appellate attorney.

Basically, the burden will be on you at that point to prove you didn't know something--and proving a negative is nearly impossible in this context.


I'd hope your attorney would do a nice job at cross examination to determine how she knew you knew. Her testimony might not even be allowed. Unless her claim is that you were in the room when it happened, or overheard the pastor telling you directly to you, then it's just hearsay. And isn't it the job of the prosecutor to prove his claim? He has to prove you knew. You don't have to prove you didn't know.
 
2012-09-21 03:34:55 AM

stonicus: Gyrfalcon: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.

Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.

"I was molested by my pastor and Bashar & Asma's Infinite Playlist knew ALL ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T TELL!"
[bang!] That'll be 15 years for failure to report!
"But your honor, I DIDN'T know about it!"
Whatever, tell it to your appellate attorney.

Basically, the burden will be on you at that point to prove you didn't know something--and proving a negative is nearly impossible in this context.

I'd hope your attorney would do a nice job at cross examination to determine how she knew you knew. Her testimony might not even be allowed. Unless her claim is that you were in the room when it happened, or overheard the pastor telling you directly to you, then it's just hearsay. And isn't it the job of the prosecutor to prove his claim? He has to prove you knew. You don't have to prove you didn't know.


Depends on the scenario. Based on everyone's shrieking during the Sandusky brouhaha, knowing or being in a position to know seems to be tantamount to knowing and not telling. Therefore, the prosecutor bringing the case would merely need to show that you "knew or reasonably should have known" based on your proximity to the event, your actions post-event, etc. You have to prove nothing, true; but the prosecutor needs only to show you should have known and that you failed to report. If your defense is "Well, I didn't," and you think that's enough, better fire your attorney, because it isn't. Remember, when you're talking child molestation, the presumption is that everyone involved is guilty as homemade sin regardless of any "proof" to the contrary.

After all, that was the general consensus around here about Paterno, that he knew and failed to report adequately, right? Ergo, if "failure to report" becomes a crime, then merely proving an individual "should have known" and didn't do anything would be sufficient; which is why nobody with a knowledge of the legal system (which is different than a knowledge of the law) wants to open that can o' worms.
 
2012-09-21 04:00:18 AM

basemetal: [www.strangmail.com image 850x1115]


Victory over death?

Did her late husband get better? 

More like victory by redefining basic English...
 
2012-09-21 04:08:51 AM

Gyrfalcon: stonicus: Gyrfalcon: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.

Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.

"I was molested by my pastor and Bashar & Asma's Infinite Playlist knew ALL ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T TELL!"
[bang!] That'll be 15 years for failure to report!
"But your honor, I DIDN'T know about it!"
Whatever, tell it to your appellate attorney.

Basically, the burden will be on you at that point to prove you didn't know something--and proving a negative is nearly impossible in this context.

I'd hope your attorney would do a nice job at cross examination to determine how she knew you knew. Her testimony might not even be allowed. Unless her claim is that you were in the room when it happened, or overheard the pastor telling you directly to you, then it's just hearsay. And isn't it the job of the prosecutor to prove his claim? He has to prove you knew. You don't have to prove you didn't know.

Depends on the scenario. Based on everyone's shrieking during the Sandusky brouhaha, knowing or being in a position to know seems to be tantamount to knowing and not telling. Therefore, the prosecutor bringing the case would merely need to show that you "knew or reasonably should have known" based on your proximity to the event, your actions post-event, etc. You have to prove nothing, true; but the prosecutor needs only to show you should have known and that you failed to report. If your defense is "Well, I didn't," and you think that's enough, better fire your attorney, because it isn't. Remember, when you're talking child molestation, the presumption is that everyone involved is guilty as homemade sin regardless of any "proof" to the contrary.

After all, that was the general consensus around here about Paterno, that he knew and failed to report adequately, right? Ergo, if "failure t ...


Paterno had more than just one person saying he knew though. And it still wasn't just a *bang of gavel* "Guilty!" for Sandusky. I'm just hoping they need more than one traumatized girl saying "he knew about it!"

/Also, hope they get the people who actually did it, not just the ones who knew...
If just the girls "he knew!", that's not much. If she says it, and her mom says it, and 7 other community members say it, then
 
2012-09-21 04:35:18 AM

duffblue: FitzShivering: umad: duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.

We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.

You missed our last meeting. You're going to be at least a week behind on knowing what form of oppression we're delivering next. I think we've kicked you off the "War on Christmas" committee, btw. We're still unsure if you're going to be in the "War on Christian marriage" committee, but I think you're probably safe on that one, for the moment.

Damn you Obama!


Axelrod warned me if I kept posting here someone would figure me out. You're still voting for me, right?
 
2012-09-21 06:50:24 AM

profplump: jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.


When you work around kids it is.

if this girl says she talked to X, and X didn't report it to the police or clams up throw the farking book at them.
 
2012-09-21 11:21:57 AM

DancingElkCondor: Just think...if this was a Muslim mosque....they would have stoned the girl to death. And the Derp Liberals would be yelling "Islam is a Religion of Peace"

This church needs to be disbanded....however this incident is not indicative of all of Christianity.


Go to one thread, someone pisses on my religion while aiming for Christians. Go to the next, someone pisses on their own faith while aiming at Muslims. I'm starting to see why women biatch about men needing to pee with the seat down.

/You do realize that Islam and Christianity are brother faiths, right? When you insult one Abrahamic faith, you insult all three.
 
2012-09-21 12:13:24 PM

Ed Grubermann: soosh: Victory Christian are some crazy motherf*ckers.

Churches like that were just one more thing that made me want to leave Oklahoma.

From one redneck jerkwater hellhole to another. Good job!


Alaska is a liberal utopia compared to Oklahoma.
 
2012-09-21 12:29:54 PM

umad: duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.

We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.


Damn it, umad! You are supposed to keep that a secret! Now how are we supposed to soil their minds with the scientific method?
 
2012-09-21 12:30:59 PM

PsiChick: DancingElkCondor:
/You do realize that Islam and Christianity are brother faiths, right? When you insult one Abrahamic faith, you insult all three.


How would denying the divinity of Christ insult Judaism or Islam?
 
2012-09-21 02:48:46 PM

wellreadneck: PsiChick: DancingElkCondor:
/You do realize that Islam and Christianity are brother faiths, right? When you insult one Abrahamic faith, you insult all three.

How would denying the divinity of Christ insult Judaism or Islam?


...That's not even an insult to Christians, it's just saying 'I don't believe the same things as you'. If you're swearing or something, well, yeah, but quite frankly that's hardly a religion-based insult, that's just you being an ass.
 
2012-09-21 03:18:34 PM
PsiChick
That's not even an insult to Christians, it's just saying 'I don't believe the same things as you'.

...you don't know many Christians, do you.

OK, snark off.

Living in Canada, I'd have to say that pretty much every Christian i know would fall under that description. I bet I know a lot more than I think I do, since we don't proclaim our faiths from the streetcorners up here like you do in the States (OK, except for the Reformer New Tories).

/hypocritically, I'm on record all over the Net as being an obnoxious atheist
 
2012-09-21 03:33:54 PM

Bondith: PsiChick
That's not even an insult to Christians, it's just saying 'I don't believe the same things as you'.

...you don't know many Christians, do you.

OK, snark off.

Living in Canada, I'd have to say that pretty much every Christian i know would fall under that description. I bet I know a lot more than I think I do, since we don't proclaim our faiths from the streetcorners up here like you do in the States (OK, except for the Reformer New Tories).

/hypocritically, I'm on record all over the Net as being an obnoxious atheist


I know most obnoxious!Christians would take that as an insult, but there's a pretty big difference between 'actually insulting Abrahamic faiths' and 'saying something politely that's reasonable and the other person being an ass about it'.

But yeah, even over here there's a good chunk of reasonable and friendly Christians. They're just quiet. :p
 
2012-09-21 03:55:14 PM

PsiChick: Bondith: PsiChick

I know most obnoxious!Christians would take that as an insult, but there's a pretty big difference between 'actually insulting Abrahamic faiths' and 'saying something politely that's reasonable and the other person being an ass about it'.

But yeah, even over here there's a good chunk of reasonable and friendly Christians. They're just quiet. :p


So, if one politely makes the reasonable assertion that any prophet who denies the divinity of Christ in contravention to the most basic tenet of Christianity is a false prophet, anyone who takes that as an insult is "being an ass about it"?
 
2012-09-21 04:34:38 PM
i.imgur.com
"It's douchebags like this that ruin religion for everybody." -- Jesus
 
2012-09-21 04:35:56 PM

wellreadneck: PsiChick: Bondith: PsiChick

So, if one politely makes the reasonable assertion that any prophet who denies the divinity of Christ in contravention to the most basic tenet of Christianity is a false prophet, anyone who takes that as an insult is "being an ass about it"?


It is not actually possible to 'politely make the reasonable assertion' that Christianity is the only true religion.

No one requires you to believe their religion, but you are required to be polite about others. That, or have a fark-ton of proof.
 
2012-09-21 05:25:24 PM

PsiChick: but you are required to be polite about others


Whoa there ... required??

I may choose to be polite if the religious person I'm dealing with is civilized. But, if they start preaching at me, stuffing their crap into science classes or trying to put it into law, I will very loud and clear in expressing what I think of their ridiculous belief in magic ... and it will not be remotely polite.
 
2012-09-21 05:37:00 PM

Farking Canuck: PsiChick: but you are required to be polite about others

Whoa there ... required??

I may choose to be polite if the religious person I'm dealing with is civilized. But, if they start preaching at me, stuffing their crap into science classes or trying to put it into law, I will very loud and clear in expressing what I think of their ridiculous belief in magic ... and it will not be remotely polite.


Did I ever say you had to be polite if they started doing things that are obviously obnoxious and dangerous to our society? Because really, that's not exactly rocket science.

/If they punch you in the face, go for it. Just don't punch them until then. That simple enough?
 
2012-09-21 06:20:59 PM

wellreadneck: So, if one politely makes the reasonable assertion that any prophet who denies the divinity of Christ in contravention to the most basic tenet of Christianity is a false prophet, anyone who takes that as an insult is "being an ass theologian about it"?


FTFY
I don't think they average layperson knows or cares enough about their own faith to even understand that statement, let alone take umbrage.
 
2012-09-21 06:30:48 PM

PsiChick: No one requires you to believe their religion, but you are required to be polite about others. That, or have a fark-ton of proof.


LOL.

If any of you had any proof it wouldn't be called "religion." It would be called "science."
 
2012-09-21 07:53:46 PM

PsiChick: wellreadneck: PsiChick: Bondith: PsiChick

No one requires you to believe their religion, but you are required to be polite about others. That, or have a fark-ton of proof.


Uhhh... wrong on two counts, sorry to say. Lots of religious people DO 'require' you believe their religion, otherwise you are either a godless heathen that is hell-bound, or 'the enemy'. Either way it's way more trouble than it's worth to continue to interact with them. Second there is no constitutional amendment or any other law that says we have to be 'polite' to each other, and frankly... society hardly requires it either at this point. And for the record you can be pretty rude to someone without infringing on their beliefs, or doing anything illegal, it's all about the phrasing or hand gestures involved ^_~
 
2012-09-21 08:19:28 PM

ladyfortuna: wrong


That is her specialty.
 
2012-09-21 08:31:21 PM

ladyfortuna: PsiChick: wellreadneck: PsiChick: Bondith: PsiChick

No one requires you to believe their religion, but you are required to be polite about others. That, or have a fark-ton of proof.

Uhhh... wrong on two counts, sorry to say. Lots of religious people DO 'require' you believe their religion, otherwise you are either a godless heathen that is hell-bound, or 'the enemy'. Either way it's way more trouble than it's worth to continue to interact with them. Second there is no constitutional amendment or any other law that says we have to be 'polite' to each other, and frankly... society hardly requires it either at this point. And for the record you can be pretty rude to someone without infringing on their beliefs, or doing anything illegal, it's all about the phrasing or hand gestures involved ^_~


The people who 'require' you to believe in religion are assholes. And certainly, no, there isn't a law requiring you to be polite, decent, or even a good human being. However, if you aren't, society generally tends to ostracize you except at parties, and you end up in a nursing home wondering why those exes always stabbed you in the back and why the world always had it out for you.

/That's the thing about requirements: Law is not the only thing that can present a choice with a consequence.
 
2012-09-21 08:54:28 PM

ladyfortuna: PsiChick: wellreadneck: PsiChick: Bondith: PsiChick

No one requires you to believe their religion, but you are required to be polite about others. That, or have a fark-ton of proof.

Uhhh... wrong on two counts, sorry to say. Lots of religious people DO 'require' you believe their religion, otherwise you are either a godless heathen that is hell-bound, or 'the enemy'. Either way it's way more trouble than it's worth to continue to interact with them. Second there is no constitutional amendment or any other law that says we have to be 'polite' to each other, and frankly... society hardly requires it either at this point. And for the record you can be pretty rude to someone without infringing on their beliefs, or doing anything illegal, it's all about the phrasing or hand gestures involved ^_~


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2012-09-21 09:22:31 PM
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I was trying to figure out how to respond to this asswipe, and you did it perfectly and simply.
 
2012-09-21 10:13:37 PM

PsiChick: ladyfortuna: PsiChick: wellreadneck: PsiChick: Bondith: PsiChick

The people who 'require' you to believe in religion are assholes. And certainly, no, there isn't a law requiring you to be polite, decent, or even a good human being. However, if you aren't, society generally tends to ostracize you except at parties, and you end up in a nursing home wondering why those exes always stabbed you in the back and why the world always had it out for you.

/That's the thing about requirements: Law is not the only thing that can present a choice with a consequence.


Wowzers.

Thanks, but I already ostracize society BECAUSE people are assholes and not polite. I'm the one who says please, thank you, and holds doors for people.

But keep reading more into it and projecting... I'll be over here, going to bed with my husband.
 
2012-09-21 10:22:49 PM

ladyfortuna: PsiChick: ladyfortuna: PsiChick: wellreadneck: PsiChick: Bondith: PsiChick

The people who 'require' you to believe in religion are assholes. And certainly, no, there isn't a law requiring you to be polite, decent, or even a good human being. However, if you aren't, society generally tends to ostracize you except at parties, and you end up in a nursing home wondering why those exes always stabbed you in the back and why the world always had it out for you.

/That's the thing about requirements: Law is not the only thing that can present a choice with a consequence.

Wowzers.

Thanks, but I already ostracize society BECAUSE people are assholes and not polite. I'm the one who says please, thank you, and holds doors for people.

But keep reading more into it and projecting... I'll be over here, going to bed with my husband.


So why do you want to act like them?
 
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