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(News9 Oklahoma)   Tulsa megachurch pastors wait two weeks to announce that a 13-year old member was filled with the Holy Spirit   (news9.com) divider line 150
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2012-09-20 09:50:23 PM  
Once again Christian values are under attack, he should be able to pay her father 50 silver and marry her just as it is defined in the bible.
 
2012-09-20 09:50:55 PM  
"Authorities, however, fear some parishioners in the large, tight-knit south Tulsa congregation may choose to pray about the allegations rather than provide concrete evidence."

I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

There's nothing less valuable than a fanatical religious person.
 
2012-09-20 09:50:55 PM  
Nice to know sex crime cover-ups aren't solely the domain of the Catholics.
 
2012-09-20 09:52:05 PM  
And one more Porn actress is created
 
2012-09-20 09:53:09 PM  

jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.


While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.
 
2012-09-20 09:53:32 PM  
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2012-09-20 09:53:43 PM  
Awesome headline

/got nuthin
 
2012-09-20 09:55:26 PM  

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Ron White has really let himself go.
 
2012-09-20 09:56:20 PM  
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/hotter than hell
 
2012-09-20 09:56:43 PM  

profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.


Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.
 
2012-09-20 09:56:47 PM  
I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I'm disgusted that this piece of crap pastor would defile another human. (Aren't pastors and preachers supposed to be above human wants and such?) On the other hand, I'm relieved to know that (1) it's not a Catholic priest and (2) it's not a young boy (this time).

My snark doesn't work for this one, gentlemen. Someone please help.
 
2012-09-20 09:57:02 PM  

profplump: jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.


Welcome to America, foreigner.
 
2012-09-20 09:58:46 PM  
Victory Christian are some crazy motherf*ckers.

Churches like that were just one more thing that made me want to leave Oklahoma.
 
2012-09-20 09:59:20 PM  
Why must we continually persecute Christians in this country?
 
2012-09-20 10:03:03 PM  

maram500: I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I'm disgusted that this piece of crap pastor would defile another human. (Aren't pastors and preachers supposed to be above human wants and such?) On the other hand, I'm relieved to know that (1) it's not a Catholic priest and (2) it's not a young boy (this time).

My snark doesn't work for this one, gentlemen. Someone please help.


Out of curiosity, where are you seeing it was the pastor? The linked article says it was two people who worked at the church, but the youth pastors were in trouble for failing to report it. I haven't seen anything about the actual pastors of the church doing the raping.

/doesn't make it any better, just curious if I'm missing something here
 
2012-09-20 10:04:43 PM  
How funny, I am watching "Deliver us From Evil" right now.
 
2012-09-20 10:04:56 PM  
So, the janitor used the Rod of G-d on the little one?
 
2012-09-20 10:05:10 PM  
Let me guess, it's the girl's fault for leading the fine, upstanding Christian man to sin, but they forgive her.
 
2012-09-20 10:05:23 PM  

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That's. Just. Creepy.
 
2012-09-20 10:05:58 PM  
Looks like their Bibles are missing Matthew 22:21.

/Oh, and Aloha Shalom
 
2012-09-20 10:06:03 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.

Why is that? They've crossed the threshold of jerks and entered into Penn State territory.


If only farkers would have come out in droves like this and spoken about the horrors of organized sports on day one of the Penn State scandal..
 
2012-09-20 10:07:15 PM  
They don't seem to realize that their omniscient god sees all and will judge accordingly....
 
2012-09-20 10:07:28 PM  
Where were the child's parents? Did they tell the church, but not the police? Confusing article.
 
2012-09-20 10:07:41 PM  
When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!
 
2012-09-20 10:08:19 PM  
Who does Rick Perry blame for this?
 
2012-09-20 10:08:21 PM  

profplump: jmr61: I hope the cops can find these people and prosecute them.

While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.



You don't want people to tell the truth in the investigation of a crime?

they are not forced to "give evidence for the state" they are asked to tell the truth, lying to investigators, "I didn't see nothing" is the crime
 
2012-09-20 10:08:56 PM  

FitzShivering: maram500: I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I'm disgusted that this piece of crap pastor would defile another human. (Aren't pastors and preachers supposed to be above human wants and such?) On the other hand, I'm relieved to know that (1) it's not a Catholic priest and (2) it's not a young boy (this time).

My snark doesn't work for this one, gentlemen. Someone please help.

Out of curiosity, where are you seeing it was the pastor? The linked article says it was two people who worked at the church, but the youth pastors were in trouble for failing to report it. I haven't seen anything about the actual pastors of the church doing the raping.

/doesn't make it any better, just curious if I'm missing something here


My bad. My outrage sensor just got overwhelmed and upon seeing anything about a church went straight to "goddamned pastor" mode. Still, the fact that the church workers were involved doesn't make it any better (as you astutely observed).

/We've seen Catholics, now Protestants
//When are we going to see LDS child abusers come to light?
///Or has that happened and I wasn't around?
 
2012-09-20 10:10:57 PM  
Just think...if this was a Muslim mosque....they would have stoned the girl to death. And the Derp Liberals would be yelling "Islam is a Religion of Peace"

This church needs to be disbanded....however this incident is not indicative of all of Christianity.
 
2012-09-20 10:11:03 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.
 
2012-09-20 10:13:14 PM  
surprisingly the comments section has not been closed yet. usually the comments are along the lines of "string him up, cut off his junk, etc. etc." of course this being a church there will always be someone to comment "the victim is probably lying"
 
2012-09-20 10:13:33 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: If only farkers would have come out in droves like this and spoken about the horrors of organized sports on day one of the Penn State scandal..


Well they did speak out against a systemic, institutional disregard for child abuse within a place where children are supposed to feel safe, and their welfare is supposed to be prized above all else. Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."
 
2012-09-20 10:14:16 PM  

duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.


We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.
 
2012-09-20 10:15:24 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Just think...if this was a Muslim mosque....they would have stoned the girl to death. And the Derp Liberals would be yelling "Islam is a Religion of Peace"

This church needs to be disbanded....however this incident is not indicative of all of Christianity.


Oh look, a conservative Christian in a religion thread! Go on, regale us with your tales of how your brand of crazy is somehow better than the others...

Seriously, what the hell, man? I count myself as an independent, but I'll have to take the "liberal" side here--if a girl gets stoned by a mob of Muslims, you blame the mob, not the religion. For example: that lunatic pastor in Florida (the one with the equally-crazy facial hair). He stood there, with cameras on him, advocating for the burning of the Qu'ran, but you don't go around saying all Christians are insane. Clearly, the one pastor is insane, but not all Christians are.
 
2012-09-20 10:18:01 PM  

umad: duffblue: WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!

I always wonder what happens to the Fark Atheists when there isn't a daily thread about the pope or Joe paterno.

We go to secret meetings and discuss how to best oppress you next.


You missed our last meeting. You're going to be at least a week behind on knowing what form of oppression we're delivering next. I think we've kicked you off the "War on Christmas" committee, btw. We're still unsure if you're going to be in the "War on Christian marriage" committee, but I think you're probably safe on that one, for the moment.
 
2012-09-20 10:18:39 PM  

profplump: While I agree these people are jerks, you don't want to live in a society where "failure to give evidence for the state" is a crime.


Um, assuming you live in the States, you're already there. You can "claim the fifth" if your testimony would incriminate you, yourself, but you can't say "I prefer not to share my recollection of what I saw because it's none of your business."

Would your testimony incriminate you? If so, OK. Shut up and wait for your indictment. If not, answer the freaking question.
 
2012-09-20 10:18:54 PM  
Dunno. There is a naughty air about lotsa devotees of Jesus Klaus.
 
2012-09-20 10:19:17 PM  

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She's got Michelle Bachmann eyes.

Seriously, the articles listed on that cover are truly scary. "Raising Pure Children"?
 
2012-09-20 10:22:14 PM  

findthefish: They don't seem to realize that their omniscient god sees all and will judge accordingly....


Their god openly admits there are other gods, and that he's jealous of them worshiping any god but him. The one true almighty and omniscient god would never say anything like that.

They're already following a dark path, things like this just make it worse.
 
2012-09-20 10:23:13 PM  
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This was on my Fark page.
 
2012-09-20 10:23:43 PM  

maram500: /We've seen Catholics, now Protestants


If this is the first time you've heard of abuse at Protestant churches you haven't been paying attention. The Catholic Church has got a lot more publicity but the Protestants are actually more abusive and freakier.
 
2012-09-20 10:23:53 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!



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Hmm. I think you have set a new record for newest account to earn a coveted spot on the ignore list. Congratulations.
 
2012-09-20 10:24:35 PM  
Reminds me of the way the Amish reacted to sex crimes : pray for the perpetrator, tell the victim to forgive them, never tell the police or any other outsiders who just wouldn't understand your very special ways, then rinse and repeat. If it keeps happening, blame the victim.
 
2012-09-20 10:24:58 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."


Exactly. But half the people here either conveniently forget, or never actually realized that this is the real problem.
 
2012-09-20 10:25:04 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: When faced with a difficult situation, my first instinct is to look toward the twenty year old "Freeloading 47" fark atheists for advice. Zero personal or world experience, zero contribution to society, yet willing to share their predictable "teenage atheism" to whoever is unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Zero contribution, zero societal value.

//No Tax, No Vote!


Put down the pipe.
 
2012-09-20 10:26:56 PM  
It's a nasty situation, but if the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts and Penn State have taught us nothing, it's that it could've been worse. Two weeks is not twenty years, and the perpetrator was arrested, rather than sent to a different church with a stern warning to sin no more. It's crazy that these are the sorts of yardsticks we have, but it's not like we lack examples of organizations being much, much more evil when it comes to sex abuse.
 
2012-09-20 10:30:20 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Whether it be a Penn State charity, a Boy Scout camp, or Sunday school at your local Catholic Church, the horrors are not the consequence of the ideology, but rather the systemic coverup of horrific crimes in order to prevent bad press for the "institution."

Exactly. But half the people here either conveniently forget, or never actually realized that this is the real problem.


I try to be optimistic and hope that article like this help them to remember.

Also from the end: "Smith said police are pursuing cases involving at least two more victims and another suspect. In one of the cases, police have failed to connect with the accuser. In the other, the victim's parents are not cooperating, Smith said,

"They made a comment that the church is handling the situation and they're going to continue to pray about it," Smith said Thursday. "We're still hoping to convince them to go forward with it."

Having studied criminal law and cases (only have an AAS, but it's a lot more than most people bother for), people who refuse to report abuse or cooperate disgust me. This is why crime statistics are all farked up and people don't know how prevalent it is.
 
2012-09-20 10:32:48 PM  
Was that wrong? Should they not have done that?
 
2012-09-20 10:35:58 PM  

i_got_no_strings: It's a nasty situation, but if the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts and Penn State have taught us nothing, it's that it could've been worse. Two weeks is not twenty years, and the perpetrator was arrested, rather than sent to a different church with a stern warning to sin no more. It's crazy that these are the sorts of yardsticks we have, but it's not like we lack examples of organizations being much, much more evil when it comes to sex abuse.


Check this out about the Amish and sexual abuse.

I was so angry by the end of reading that.
 
2012-09-20 10:36:53 PM  
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2012-09-20 10:37:29 PM  

Bondith: Let me guess, it's the girl's fault for leading the fine, upstanding Christian man to sin, but they forgive her.


I think it should be "Spare the child and spoil the rod."

You know, masturbate!
 
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