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2012-09-20 04:04:43 PM
what an epic moron.
 
2012-09-20 04:11:46 PM

FlashHarry: what an epic moron


At least he is a consistent one...

"We have a biblical responsibility to be involved in the public arena proclaiming God's truth."

And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]
 
2012-09-20 04:12:17 PM
He needs a dick punch.
 
2012-09-20 04:31:10 PM

Blues_X: He needs a dick punch.


You're assuming he has one.
 
2012-09-20 04:34:21 PM
The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.
 
2012-09-20 04:38:41 PM

Blues_X: He needs a dick punch.


It's his favorite beverage.
 
2012-09-20 04:42:45 PM
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2012-09-20 04:48:50 PM

Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.


no shiat: "or prohibit the free exercise thereof."
 
2012-09-20 04:57:22 PM
"Satan runs across the world with his doubt and with his untruths and what have you and one of the untruths out there that is driven is that people of faith should not be involved in the public arena," Perry said during the call on Tuesday

What? Who said that? You do know that, "don not make laws based strictly off religious opinion," is a far cry from, "people of faith should not be involved in the public arena"? Wait. ...not make laws... religious == faith... not... in.. public arena. Close enough. Basic reading comprehension be damned.
 
2012-09-20 04:58:41 PM
Perry said the separation of religious and civic institutions in the U.S. began with a "narrative" that first took root in the 1960s.

"Somehow or another there's this, ya know, steel wall, this iron curtain or whatever you want to call it between the church and people of faith and this separation of church and state is just false on its face,"


I think someone's history book has a few pages stuck together.
 
2012-09-20 05:18:45 PM
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2012-09-20 05:29:50 PM

Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.


I don't think they believe what they say, for the most part. They simply say something to pander to their base and to score points. The sad part is when their supporters actually believe them and then push for those changes. I'm reminded of A HandMaiden's Tale and the lavish parties they threw, all while forcing everyone to live a rigid conservative lifestyle.
 
2012-09-20 05:32:09 PM
of course, "former GOP presidential frontrunner" also applies to certified batshiat crazies such as michelle bachmann, herman cain, newt gingrich, and rick santorum - pretty much "anyone but romney." and look who they ended up with....

the sad thing is, jon huntsman would be ahead right now if he had gotten the GOP nom.
 
2012-09-20 05:33:50 PM
They'll never have the elite, smart people on their side.
 
2012-09-20 05:40:40 PM

impaler: Perry said the separation of religious and civic institutions in the U.S. began with a "narrative" that first took root in the 1960s.

"Somehow or another there's this, ya know, steel wall, this iron curtain or whatever you want to call it between the church and people of faith and this separation of church and state is just false on its face,"

I think someone's history book has a few pages stuck together.


Let's just get these out of the way:

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. - Thomas Jefferson

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,-and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. - Treaty of Tripoli, signed by President John Adams (the first one who co-drafted the Declaration of Independence)
 
2012-09-20 05:41:47 PM
"The Tooth Fairy flies across the world with her money and teeth and what have you and one of the untruths out there that is driven is that children can try to stay awake to see her.," Perry said during the call on Tuesday
 
2012-09-20 05:42:36 PM
Perry should also be reminded then that according to his Bible, all earthly authority derives from God.

Therefore, God chose Obama.

//Also, revolt is a sin just like witchcraft, so knock off the secession talk!
 
2012-09-20 05:44:36 PM

impaler: Perry said the separation of religious and civic institutions in the U.S. began with a "narrative" that first took root in the 1960s.

"Somehow or another there's this, ya know, steel wall, this iron curtain or whatever you want to call it between the church and people of faith and this separation of church and state is just false on its face,"

I think someone's history book has a few pages stuck together.


It goes back even further, but really took off when the Irish showed up.

We had Jefferson's words, but something about the huge influx of Catholics scared the shiat out of the Protestants, so they turned to the Establishment clause to keep the Catholics and by extension the Pope out of things.
 
2012-09-20 05:44:51 PM
Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?
 
2012-09-20 05:49:53 PM
I don't think I can put it any better than user "webcelt" in TFC: Sometimes I wonder how the Republicans could pick so lousy a candidate as Romney, and then one of the primary losers speaks up and I figure it out.
 
2012-09-20 05:51:18 PM

meat0918: Perry should also be reminded then that according to his Bible, all earthly authority derives from God.

Therefore, God chose Obama.

//Also, revolt is a sin just like witchcraft, so knock off the secession talk!


You cannot use that word. It resonates with reason. This is counter to evangelicalism.
 
2012-09-20 05:52:16 PM
even I can't defend this bullshiat.

Religious freedom or lack of one at all is just as much a cornerstone of our nation as is free speech or the 2nd. The bible thumpers are killing republicans.


Rick Perry leaves one to thank god for satan... goddamnit you moron you are not helping.

:/
 
2012-09-20 05:53:43 PM

Lumpmoose: Let's just get these out of the way:


Fundies are highly skilled at ignoring truths inconvenient to their world view.
 
2012-09-20 05:55:31 PM
What temptation might look like.

www.pensitoreview.com
 
2012-09-20 05:55:48 PM
Satan really gets a bad rap. Unlike God, there's nothing in the Bible about Satan committing genocide or killing children. All he's really accused of is hiding fossils and giving an apple to a naked chick.
 
2012-09-20 05:56:41 PM

Lumpmoose: Let's just get these out of the way:

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia, all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere" - Winston Churchill


FTFY
 
2012-09-20 06:00:58 PM
the 2nd amendment is what the founders really meant, not the 1st...they got that one wrong, but didn't cross it off because it would've meant they had to start writing it all over again. they made sure they put a good one down after that 1st amendment screw up
 
2012-09-20 06:07:16 PM
"Somehow or another there's this, ya know, steel wall, this iron curtain or whatever you want to call it between the church and people of faith and this separation of church and state is just false on its face," the governor said. "We have a biblical responsibility to be involved in the public arena proclaiming God's truth."

Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.
 
2012-09-20 06:15:11 PM
Frontrunner?

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2012-09-20 06:15:35 PM
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I'm not sure how he could be involved in separating church and state. After all, I thought he was a right wing.
 
2012-09-20 06:18:33 PM

Weaver95: Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.


I agree. But just for funs sake, couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb, with topside government health care, food stamps, EIC, retirement, you know, kinda of like all of our real need? health, food, money, and oldfart worry free. Not that I'm saying government is good at any of these things, but they try, and mean well. To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you. Worse than religion actually.
 
2012-09-20 06:23:38 PM

EatTheWorld: Weaver95: Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.

I agree. But just for funs sake, couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb, with topside government health care, food stamps, EIC, retirement, you know, kinda of like all of our real need? health, food, money, and oldfart worry free. Not that I'm saying government is good at any of these things, but they try, and mean well. To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you. Worse than religion actually.


Religion sucks. Government sucks. Together they make a ultra-vortex of suck. Imagine if you will, a musical duet of Rebecca Black and Creed.

It is that level of suck.
 
2012-09-20 06:29:32 PM

AdolfOliverPanties:

Religion sucks. Government sucks. Together they make a ultra-vortex of suck. Imagine if you will, a musical duet of Rebecca Black and Creed.

It is that level of suck.


I laughed SO HARD.
 
2012-09-20 06:32:45 PM

EatTheWorld: Weaver95: Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.

I agree. But just for funs sake, couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb, with topside government health care, food stamps, EIC, retirement, you know, kinda of like all of our real need? health, food, money, and oldfart worry free. Not that I'm saying government is good at any of these things, but they try, and mean well. To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you. Worse than religion actually.


it's really very simple - right now my choices are between a mildly right of center Democrat (Obama) and a far right wing vulture capitalist who (ab)uses his religion to justify his greed and selfish grab for power. you cannot support the Republicans without supporting the right wing theocrats who infest the GOP these days. it's impossible to separate the two factions. you cannot scrub the Jesus out of the Republicans no matter how hard you try. Given the realities of our situation, my support has to go to the Democrats (at the national level) and the libertarians (at the state/local level). I cannot vote Republican, nor can I justify supporting the GOP in any manner.

hey, I didn't make these rules. but that's the game.
 
2012-09-20 06:45:51 PM

Mugato: Satan really gets a bad rap. Unlike God, there's nothing in the Bible about Satan committing genocide or killing children. All he's really accused of is hiding fossils and giving an apple to a naked chick.


Mug you never disappoint me.
 
2012-09-20 06:52:49 PM

Mugato: Satan really gets a bad rap. Unlike God, there's nothing in the Bible about Satan committing genocide or killing children. All he's really accused of is hiding fossils and giving an apple to a naked chick.


Cue Pacino: "Why not? I'm here on the ground with my nose in it since the whole thing began. I've nurtured every sensation man's been inspired to have. I cared about what he wanted and I never judged him. Why? Because I never rejected him. In spite of all his imperfections, I'm a fan of man! I'm a humanist. Maybe the last humanist. "
 
2012-09-20 06:53:12 PM

EatTheWorld: To me that is a religion to the state.


yeah thinking that we as a people (that is through government) should help people in tough situations out, because that is good for all of us, is totally worshipping government

*rolleyes*.
 
2012-09-20 06:58:33 PM

quickdraw: Mugato: Satan really gets a bad rap. Unlike God, there's nothing in the Bible about Satan committing genocide or killing children. All he's really accused of is hiding fossils and giving an apple to a naked chick.

Mug you never disappoint me.


That's what she....never said. :(
 
2012-09-20 07:12:50 PM
FTFA: Perry said the separation of religious and civic institutions in the U.S. began with a "narrative" that first took root in the 1960s....this separation of church and state is just false on its face," the governor said. "We have a biblical responsibility to be involved in the public arena proclaiming God's truth."

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You'll notice Madison's famous remonstrance--which along with Jefferson became the basis for Virginia's Religious Freedom Act - is dated 1785.
 
2012-09-20 07:20:21 PM

Weaver95: you cannot scrub the Jesus out of the Republicans no matter how hard you try


we could try? if we put Perry, Bachman, Akin, Santorum, and all their batshiat crazy friends on a boat to Fiji, I know that would be a good start. Thank god all of them are electoral loosers, so keep that in mind please. I mean people need to vote idiots like this out. Republicanism can not let this stand. You can not be for a republic and a theocracy at the same time. Oh you can be parts of our nation, but you must teach Jesus and dinosaurs. Or satan and what again Rick?

Kazan: EatTheWorld: To me that is a religion to the state.

yeah thinking that we as a people (that is through government) should help people in tough situations out, because that is good for all of us, is totally worshipping government

*rolleyes*.


and ya, if they NEED the government for all that in perpetuity, then them voting to cut that net will never happen. And it seems clear that is the way democrats want it. Therefore the liberal religion is born.
 
2012-09-20 07:32:00 PM
* EDIT: um some of those above are not losers in their local areas, but nationally rejected. Hence they need to be voted out.
I am full of beer. sorry.
 
2012-09-20 07:34:13 PM

EatTheWorld: And it seems clear that is the way democrats want it. Therefore the liberal religion is born.


You're serious, aren't you.
 
2012-09-20 07:39:05 PM

EatTheWorld: couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb...To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you.


Statism exists in a variety of ideological flavors. Its not a religion itself though--religions have rituals. Specific nationalisms on the other hand are quite religious. American civil religion has its sacred scriptures (Const, DOI), its rituals (voting, pledge of allegiance) and its mythic narrative it convinces itself its about (twirling, ever-twirling towards freedom and progress).
 
2012-09-20 07:39:49 PM
America was founded by people who wished to impose their religious beliefs on others. No lie.That's why they got kicked out of the good countries.
 
2012-09-20 07:41:23 PM

ghare: America was founded by people who wished to impose their religious beliefs on others. No lie.That's why they got kicked out of the good countries.


that's not true at all.
 
2012-09-20 07:51:27 PM
"You think about this spiritual warfare that's going on and ...

So it's "spiritual warfare" to want the government to abide by its own doctrine? It's "warfare" to not want fundie wingnuts designing science and health classes for public schools? It's "warfare" to not permit public funds to religious institutions? It's "warfare" that a non-believer has the very same rights you all do?

Do you charlatan sh*tstains ever get tired of using the word "warfare" to describe what's actually "we're pitching b*tch-fits whenever we can't force our dogma on the public?" Whiny-ass, spiteful p*ssies, the lot of you
 
2012-09-20 07:51:45 PM

Somacandra: Statism exists in a variety of ideological flavors. Its not a religion itself though--religions have rituals. Specific nationalisms on the other hand are quite religious. American civil religion has its sacred scriptures (Const, DOI), its rituals (voting, pledge of allegiance) and its mythic narrative it convinces itself its about (twirling, ever-twirling towards freedom and progress).


semantics I say. What is the difference between fanaticism for the church or the state?
 
2012-09-20 08:12:21 PM

dickfreckle: Do you charlatan sh*tstains ever get tired of using the word "warfare" to describe what's actually "we're pitching b*tch-fits whenever we can't force our dogma on the public?" Whiny-ass, spiteful p*ssies, the lot of you


Take your war on warfare elsewhere libtard!

♪ God, bless, America... Land that I love..♪
 
2012-09-20 08:12:34 PM

EatTheWorld: semantics I say. What is the difference between fanaticism for the church or the state?




www.fcps.edu
 
2012-09-20 08:13:14 PM

EatTheWorld: What is the difference between fanaticism for the church or the state?


A wall of separation between state and state.
 
2012-09-20 08:16:43 PM

EatTheWorld: Somacandra: Statism exists in a variety of ideological flavors. Its not a religion itself though--religions have rituals. Specific nationalisms on the other hand are quite religious. American civil religion has its sacred scriptures (Const, DOI), its rituals (voting, pledge of allegiance) and its mythic narrative it convinces itself its about (twirling, ever-twirling towards freedom and progress).

semantics I say. What is the difference between fanaticism for the church or the state?


while that's an interesting side discussion, it's not really all that relevant to THIS conversation...which is about a key member of the Republican party who's pretty open about his wish to turn the USA into a theocratic regime.
 
2012-09-20 08:18:05 PM

GAT_00: [i575.photobucket.com image 500x375]

Came, saw, leaving satisfied.
 
2012-09-20 08:19:42 PM
This just solidifies my belief that these fundies are jealous of their Muslim counterparts. They are upset that the middle east has a working theocracy and we don't
 
2012-09-20 08:19:51 PM

Weaver95: while that's an interesting side discussion, it's not really all that relevant to THIS conversation...which is about a key member of the Republican party who's pretty open about his wish to turn the USA into a theocratic regime.


Oh forbid me to change topics? I see church up there with the blue fox on a red ball.... And Rick Perry, fark him, he lost miserably. Pathetically. And deserved to do so. Liberals love government, can't you admit that?
 
2012-09-20 08:21:14 PM

EatTheWorld: Weaver95: while that's an interesting side discussion, it's not really all that relevant to THIS conversation...which is about a key member of the Republican party who's pretty open about his wish to turn the USA into a theocratic regime.

Oh forbid me to change topics? I see church up there with the blue fox on a red ball.... And Rick Perry, fark him, he lost miserably. Pathetically. And deserved to do so. Liberals love government, can't you admit that?


i'm wondering why you seem so desperate to change the subject....
 
2012-09-20 08:21:16 PM

Weaver95: EatTheWorld: Somacandra: Statism exists in a variety of ideological flavors. Its not a religion itself though--religions have rituals. Specific nationalisms on the other hand are quite religious. American civil religion has its sacred scriptures (Const, DOI), its rituals (voting, pledge of allegiance) and its mythic narrative it convinces itself its about (twirling, ever-twirling towards freedom and progress).

semantics I say. What is the difference between fanaticism for the church or the state?

while that's an interesting side discussion, it's not really all that relevant to THIS conversation...which is about a key member of the Republican party who's pretty open about his wish to turn the USA into a theocratic regime.


In a perverse way, that attempt would be fun to watch. Fundies vs Liberal Christians. Live on pay per view.
 
2012-09-20 08:23:23 PM

Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.


Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. They do believe in fairy tales after all.
 
2012-09-20 08:23:52 PM
Yes I admit he's got a thinking problem , he always lacks a mind.
 
2012-09-20 08:24:24 PM

John Buck 41: Frontrunner?

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Early on in the primaries, he was polling the highest. Then he forgot what the third thing was and started speaking in tongues.
 
2012-09-20 08:24:44 PM
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2012-09-20 08:26:39 PM

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" Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, farkin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER! "
 
2012-09-20 08:27:54 PM

simplicimus: In a perverse way, that attempt would be fun to watch. Fundies vs Liberal Christians. Live on pay per view.


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Weaver95: i'm wondering why you seem so desperate to change the subject....


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2012-09-20 08:27:56 PM
Being religious should automatically disqualify one from holding public office.
 
2012-09-20 08:28:35 PM
I'll bet if you pointed out to ol' Rick that the very same sentiments of being a "soldier" or "warrior" for his religion are the same as radical Muslims, he'd have a conniption and fart kittens.

/I tell ya, some people's kids...
 
2012-09-20 08:28:37 PM
talkingpointsmemo.com

God is the answer to everything!

www.theblaze.com

HEY! That's MY LINE!
 
2012-09-20 08:28:48 PM
Well then... thank you, Satan.
 
2012-09-20 08:29:21 PM
There are some great comments at the foot of the article too.

Just to repeat a few of the ideas from those, for folks who might not have bothered to read them:

I wondered how the Republicans figured Mitt Romney is the best they can manage, then you read an article like this and understand how that happened.

He's afraid of Sharia Law, which comes from someone else's bible, but he has no problem doing the same thing to Americans. And, on that topic, I'm sure we all agree that this approach has really worked well in the Middle East.

His comments don't offer much explanation as to why God repeatedly fails to intervene in elections, including his own primaries, and actually therefore suggest that Perry agrees God wanted Obama elected in 2008.
 
2012-09-20 08:30:18 PM
If I could post a photo of myself facepalming I would
 
2012-09-20 08:31:06 PM

FlashHarry: Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.

no shiat: "or prohibit the free exercise thereof."


I hope you're not serious, but on the off chance that you are...

Do you understand how establishing state religion is a violation of every other religion in the country?

Let's say Catholics get to call the shots, No meat on Fridays, mandatory Mass, legal homosexual child rape...

How is that, in any sense, "free exercise of religion?"
 
2012-09-20 08:32:29 PM
Exactly what I would expect the antichrist to say.
 
2012-09-20 08:33:24 PM

AssAsInAssassin: FlashHarry: Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.

no shiat: "or prohibit the free exercise thereof."

I hope you're not serious, but on the off chance that you are...

Do you understand how establishing state religion is a violation of every other religion in the country?

Let's say Catholics get to call the shots, No meat on Fridays, mandatory Mass, legal homosexual child rape...

How is that, in any sense, "free exercise of religion?"


Hey, we dumped the meatless Fridays!
 
2012-09-20 08:33:46 PM

qorkfiend: EatTheWorld: And it seems clear that is the way democrats want it. Therefore the liberal religion is born.

You're serious, aren't you.


Saw this coming in his Boobies. I have him labled as "Troll, crazy, or Tatsuma." It was pretty obvious he was trying to setup for a "Liberals worship government and it's their religion" line of trolling crap.
 
2012-09-20 08:34:00 PM

vernonFL: Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?


Tarrot Cards were actually a way to play cards and the Major Arcana were trump cards in Tarrot games. I really should learn to play some of them.
 
2012-09-20 08:34:23 PM

EatTheWorld: EatTheWorld: semantics I say. What is the difference between fanaticism for the church or the state?



The state represents reality and the church doesn't.
 
2012-09-20 08:35:02 PM
And so the race for the Republican 2016 nomination begins.
 
2012-09-20 08:35:07 PM
blog.planetpreterist.com
 
2012-09-20 08:36:04 PM

Unoriginal_Username: This just solidifies my belief that these fundies are jealous of their Muslim counterparts.


As they should be. When their Muslim counterparts turn the derp up to 11, all of the enlightened types around here come out of the woodwork to defend them with cries of "overzealous staffer!" and "isolated incident!" Here, we just treat them all like the retards they are.
 
2012-09-20 08:36:14 PM

meat0918: Perry should also be reminded then that according to his Bible, all earthly authority derives from God.

Therefore, God chose Obama.

//Also, revolt is a sin just like witchcraft, so knock off the secession talk!


That's one thing that really drives them nuts. I remember my great aunt going on and on about how God himself put Reagan in power. When I asked her why God then allowed Clinton to be President, she just got angry and changed the subject.
 
2012-09-20 08:36:16 PM
Shut up, Governor good hair, you cock!
 
2012-09-20 08:36:37 PM

Darwin's Prophet: And so the race for the Republican 2016 nomination begins.


I don't think the GOP understands just how weak their position is in this country.
 
2012-09-20 08:36:38 PM
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2012-09-20 08:36:47 PM

Abox: The state represents reality and the church doesn't.


indeed my friend, but in the end, someone is getting farked. and that's not "fair"
 
2012-09-20 08:38:20 PM

Darwin's Prophet: And so the race for the Republican 2016 nomination begins.


OMG can we do better than a Daily Show emmy season next time please? Like serious people? Maybe? PLEASE?
 
2012-09-20 08:39:10 PM

Silly Jesus: Being religious should automatically disqualify one from holding public office.


Oh? And how would you define "religious?" What if someone holds onto a socio-political idoloegy which functions just like a religion but doesn't involve the worship of a god? I know atheists who firmly believe that certains stripes of radical feminism, Marxism and environmentalism to be defacto religions in and of themselves. (Involving something resembling Original Sin [patriarchy, pollution], and the belief that one can attain a heavenly utopia on earth just by observing certain rules and behaviors. And believing that it's right to force people into adopting the way of life THEY believe is best for everybody.) One doesn't have to believe in a god to hold irrational, emotion-based beliefs. Or to be a menace to free people everywhere.
 
2012-09-20 08:39:21 PM
Personally, I would have blamed it on crushed velvet.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-20 08:39:27 PM

EatTheWorld: Abox: The state represents reality and the church doesn't.

indeed my friend, but in the end, someone is getting farked. and that's not "fair"



wut
 
2012-09-20 08:39:30 PM
It's so awesome when the governor of Texas say something more batshiat insane than Ahmadinejad
 
2012-09-20 08:40:01 PM

vernonFL: Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?


Well, why wouldn't he? Those are all real things.
 
2012-09-20 08:40:24 PM

EatTheWorld: Darwin's Prophet: And so the race for the Republican 2016 nomination begins.

OMG can we do better than a Daily Show emmy season next time please? Like serious people? Maybe? PLEASE?


this isn't working out very well for you.
 
2012-09-20 08:40:45 PM

AssAsInAssassin: FlashHarry: Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.

no shiat: "or prohibit the free exercise thereof."

I hope you're not serious, but on the off chance that you are...

Do you understand how establishing state religion is a violation of every other religion in the country?

Let's say Catholics get to call the shots, No meat on Fridays, mandatory Mass, legal homosexual child rape...

How is that, in any sense, "free exercise of religion?"


It isn't, which juuuust maybe is the reason he posted what he did.
 
2012-09-20 08:41:25 PM
In the bible, God runs things and Satan is nearly powerless
In "reality", Satan runs things and God is nearly powerless.
 
2012-09-20 08:42:16 PM
Beware of Apples, Governor. They're the Devil's Food.
 
2012-09-20 08:43:03 PM

Hickory-smoked: vernonFL: Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?

Well, why wouldn't he? Those are all real things.


If Catholic, then no. If he belongs to any of those other heretical religions, then probably.
 
2012-09-20 08:43:58 PM
Obvious tag on vacation?
 
2012-09-20 08:44:56 PM
I recall with pleasure the day that this asshole's "Strong" video on Youtube got 100,000 dislikes within 12 hours of it being posted. Fark was a part of that. Good times.

I see that it now has over 770,000 dislikes.

Link

For those who don't want to click on the link, here's the text of his political ad:

I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a Christian, but you don't need to be in the pew every Sunday to know there's something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military but our kids can't openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school.

As President, I'll end Obama's war on religion. And I'll fight against liberal attacks on our religious heritage.

Faith made America strong. It can make her strong again.

I'm Rick Perry and I approve this message


770k dislikes. Nobody likes you, Rick, you stupid coont. STFU, GTFO, and DIAF.
 
2012-09-20 08:45:12 PM

AssAsInAssassin: FlashHarry: Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.

no shiat: "or prohibit the free exercise thereof."

I hope you're not serious, but on the off chance that you are...


Uh, the previous two posters were agreeing with each other.
 
2012-09-20 08:45:13 PM

FlashHarry: of course, "former GOP presidential frontrunner" also applies to certified batshiat crazies such as michelle bachmann, herman cain, newt gingrich, and rick santorum - pretty much "anyone but romney." and look who they ended up with....

the sad thing is, jon huntsman would be ahead right now if he had gotten the GOP nom.


True, but the current GOP won't choose anybody in the primaries who has a legitimate chance in the general election. The primaries are about pandering to the extremists, a race to the far-right and to appear as ideologically pure as possible, followed by a sprint back to the center to convince the American mainstream, while trying to distance themselves from everything they said and did during the primaries, on top of having to take a far-right VP nominee to keep the hardcore followers satisfied after the nominee goes to the center.

The 2008 and 2012 elections have followed this cycle, and as long as it holds, the GOP won't have the White House anymore.
 
2012-09-20 08:45:14 PM

Lost Thought 00: They're the Devil's Food.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I__cFHgkwxk
 
2012-09-20 08:45:55 PM

God-is-a-Taco: In the bible, God runs things and Satan is nearly powerless
In "reality", Satan runs things and God is nearly powerless.


for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'. I think the pagans are closer to figuring it out - there's a bunch of gods and spirits and the spirit world is just as muddied as this world.

also, 'satan' (or lucifer if you'd prefer) seems to have been more of a job description and less of an actual rebellious angel (although there might have been more than a few of those kicking around).
 
2012-09-20 08:46:23 PM

simplicimus: Hickory-smoked: vernonFL: Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?

Well, why wouldn't he? Those are all real things.

If Catholic, then no. If he belongs to any of those other heretical religions, then probably.


No really, they are actual physical objects. I think I even have a deck in my office somewhere...
 
2012-09-20 08:46:36 PM
Thomas Jefferson is Satan?

People with views like this should not be allowed anywhere near levers of power.


Lost Thought 00: Beware of Apples, Governor. They're the Devil's Food.


No more apple pie? Are mom and baseball next?
 
2012-09-20 08:48:01 PM

yourmomlovestetris: Silly Jesus: Being religious should automatically disqualify one from holding public office.

Oh? And how would you define "religious?" What if someone holds onto a socio-political idoloegy which functions just like a religion but doesn't involve the worship of a god? I know atheists who firmly believe that certains stripes of radical feminism, Marxism and environmentalism to be defacto religions in and of themselves. (Involving something resembling Original Sin [patriarchy, pollution], and the belief that one can attain a heavenly utopia on earth just by observing certain rules and behaviors. And believing that it's right to force people into adopting the way of life THEY believe is best for everybody.) One doesn't have to believe in a god to hold irrational, emotion-based beliefs. Or to be a menace to free people everywhere.


By reading the rest of this post of yours, I suppose.
 
2012-09-20 08:48:08 PM

Hickory-smoked: simplicimus: Hickory-smoked: vernonFL: Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?

Well, why wouldn't he? Those are all real things.

If Catholic, then no. If he belongs to any of those other heretical religions, then probably.

No really, they are actual physical objects. I think I even have a deck in my office somewhere...


I was imprecise. They do exist as physical objects, but have no supernatural powers.
 
2012-09-20 08:48:17 PM

Weaver95: for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'.


For what its worth, I don't think there is a god.

/nobody farking cares
 
2012-09-20 08:48:55 PM
between this guy and the legit rape guy I really have to ask W.T.F America??

seriously... WHAT THE fark IS GOING ON DOWN THERE????!!!!!
 
2012-09-20 08:49:20 PM
why does Rick Perry hate America? (srsly, wtf? take a history class)
 
2012-09-20 08:52:07 PM

umad: For what its worth, I don't think there is a god.


too much vastness and connection between space and time to ignore an existence beyond this one. IMHO.
 
2012-09-20 08:52:13 PM

my herniated disc: between this guy and the legit rape guy I really have to ask W.T.F America??

seriously... WHAT THE fark IS GOING ON DOWN THERE????!!!!!


As an outside observer all I can conclude is that the republican party is going for the religious, jingoistic, nationalist moron vote this time around, and as it's the US it stands a slim chance of working...
 
2012-09-20 08:52:29 PM
and by the way Rick, if you see your mom this weekend, be sure and tell her
 
2012-09-20 08:52:32 PM

Silly Jesus: Being religious should automatically disqualify one from holding public office.


Rubbish. "Being religious" on its own doesn't mean a thing in regards to a person's character or what could be expected of him or her in office. If someone openly supports a theocracy then yes, I would certainly agree that that person is unsuitable to serve in a secular government but to extend that to anyone with religious beliefs at all is monstrous and absurd.

There are all sorts of religious people, many of whom are perfectly capable of separating their private, personal beliefs from their public duty. I am reminded of an interview that I once read with Geraldine Ferraro in which she was asked why she, as a devout Catholic who personally believes that abortion is morally wrong consistently voted pro-choice.

Her answer was that the district who elected her to office was strongly pro-choice, and it was her job as their representative to vote their interests above her own. It's rather unfortunate that integrity in politics has become so unheard of that any example of it beggars belief, but it can exist and you don't have to be an atheist to have it.

/atheist. not that it should matter to the discussion
 
2012-09-20 08:52:45 PM

impaler: Perry said the separation of religious and civic institutions in the U.S. began with a "narrative" that first took root in the 1960s.

"Somehow or another there's this, ya know, steel wall, this iron curtain or whatever you want to call it between the church and people of faith and this separation of church and state is just false on its face,"

I think someone's history book has a few pages stuck together.


Manifest Destiny gets conservatives really hot and bothered.
 
2012-09-20 08:53:13 PM
Rick Perry says there are three things need to remember. God, guns, and... um.....
 
2012-09-20 08:53:22 PM

Nadie_AZ: Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.

I don't think they believe what they say, for the most part. They simply say something to pander to their base and to score points. The sad part is when their supporters actually believe them and then push for those changes. I'm reminded of A HandMaiden's Tale and the lavish parties they threw, all while forcing everyone to live a rigid conservative lifestyle.


Perry strikes me as a true believer tbh. Usually i agree though.
 
2012-09-20 08:53:38 PM

Weaver95:
for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'. I think the pagans are closer to figuring it out - there's a bunch of gods and spirits and the spirit world is just as muddied as this world.

also, satan' (or lucifer if you'd prefer) seems to have been more of a job description and less of an actual rebellious angel (although there might have been more than a few of those kicking around).


I've been reading too many political threads. My brain first registered this as "job creator". 
The "Minor God rebelling against Major God(s)" is one of my favorite stories in myths, and as I said in another Satan/Lucifer thread I see most of Christian myths as not-so-subtle rip-offs of Greek (Roman) mythology.

Lucifer is right up there with Prometheus in my book. Hell, he's probably the same guy.
 
2012-09-20 08:53:39 PM

umad: Weaver95: for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'.

For what its worth, I don't think there is a god.

/nobody farking cares


now THAT is a very weird statement to make. it's clear that the rank and file GOP care very much about religion. sure - YOU might not care about spiritual matters but I think you'd care very much of a bunch of 'true believer' Christian dominionist theocrats managed to get control of the US government. To my way of thinking, it's a mistake to assume that religion isn't important or that 'nobody cares'. Even if it's not important to YOU, it's important to a whole lot of voters...and their votes WILL affect you.
 
2012-09-20 08:54:43 PM

yourmomlovestetris: Silly Jesus: Being religious should automatically disqualify one from holding public office.

Oh? And how would you define "religious?" What if someone holds onto a socio-political idoloegy which functions just like a religion but doesn't involve the worship of a god? I know atheists who firmly believe that certains stripes of radical feminism, Marxism and environmentalism to be defacto religions in and of themselves. (Involving something resembling Original Sin [patriarchy, pollution], and the belief that one can attain a heavenly utopia on earth just by observing certain rules and behaviors. And believing that it's right to force people into adopting the way of life THEY believe is best for everybody.) One doesn't have to believe in a god to hold irrational, emotion-based beliefs. Or to be a menace to free people everywhere.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

feminism, marxism, and enviornmentalism do not qualify.

You're confusing religious vies with social / political ones. also i'm not sure Christianity or any other religion aims at "a heavenly utopia on earth."
 
2012-09-20 08:54:47 PM

thamike: John Buck 41: Frontrunner?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

Early on in the primaries, he was polling the highest. Then he forgot what the third thing was and started speaking in tongues.


Ha ha ha! I forgot the whole "third thing" fiasco! So much has happened!
 
2012-09-20 08:54:52 PM

Gothnet: my herniated disc: between this guy and the legit rape guy I really have to ask W.T.F America??

seriously... WHAT THE fark IS GOING ON DOWN THERE????!!!!!

As an outside observer all I can conclude is that the republican party is going for the religious, jingoistic, nationalist moron vote this time around, and as it's the US it stands a slim chance of working...


This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.
 
2012-09-20 08:56:00 PM
So your god isn't the master of his domain? Why do you call him God?
 
2012-09-20 08:56:11 PM

eraser8: I don't think I can put it any better than user "webcelt" in TFC: Sometimes I wonder how the Republicans could pick so lousy a candidate as Romney, and then one of the primary losers speaks up and I figure it out.


That pretty much sums it up.
 
2012-09-20 08:56:28 PM

God-is-a-Taco:
Lucifer is right up there with Prometheus in my book. Hell, he's probably the same guy.


Oh, and I meant that Prometheus was adopted into the Abrahamic religions as Lucifer.
These guys are as real as the Demon Prince Laharl to me.
 
2012-09-20 08:56:52 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Weaver95:
for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'. I think the pagans are closer to figuring it out - there's a bunch of gods and spirits and the spirit world is just as muddied as this world.

also, satan' (or lucifer if you'd prefer) seems to have been more of a job description and less of an actual rebellious angel (although there might have been more than a few of those kicking around).

I've been reading too many political threads. My brain first registered this as "job creator". 
The "Minor God rebelling against Major God(s)" is one of my favorite stories in myths, and as I said in another Satan/Lucifer thread I see most of Christian myths as not-so-subtle rip-offs of Greek (Roman) mythology.

Lucifer is right up there with Prometheus in my book. Hell, he's probably the same guy.


Well, Lucifer means "Light Bringer".
 
2012-09-20 08:57:14 PM
I _knew_ there was something sketchy about those Founding Fathers.
 
2012-09-20 08:58:39 PM

God-is-a-Taco:
Lucifer is right up there with Prometheus in my book. Hell, he's probably the same guy.


it's interesting that one of the defining myths of Judeo-Christian identity is that 'rebellion against authority' is considered 'evil'.
 
2012-09-20 08:59:59 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: So your god isn't the master of his domain? Why do you call him God?


Read the Book of Job. Two guys hanging out, torturing the fark out some guy to settle a bet.
 
2012-09-20 09:01:01 PM

Weaver95: it's interesting that one of the defining myths of Judeo-Christian identity is that 'rebellion against authority' is considered 'evil'.


Over the summer, the local branch of Baptists ran a sign outside their church saying 'you can't stumble if you're on your knees.' I thought it was rather telling.
 
2012-09-20 09:01:05 PM
Excuse me, but I worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster. According to current tax exemption laws, I expect my new Italian Restaurant will be tax-exempt.
 
2012-09-20 09:01:07 PM

alienated: FlashHarry: what an epic moron

At least he is a consistent one...

"We have a biblical responsibility to be involved in the public arena proclaiming God's truth."

And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]


Not to mention the first person I'm aware of that articulated the concept of separation of church and state was a guy named Jesus of Nazareth
Mark 12:17
""Well, then," Jesus said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." His reply completely amazed them."
 
2012-09-20 09:01:09 PM

simplicimus: Don't Troll Me Bro!: So your god isn't the master of his domain? Why do you call him God?

Read the Book of Job. Two guys hanging out, torturing the fark out some guy to settle a bet.


kind of like Gitmo or your average run through in Sheriff Joe's prison down in Arizona.
 
2012-09-20 09:01:14 PM

Weaver95: God-is-a-Taco:
Lucifer is right up there with Prometheus in my book. Hell, he's probably the same guy.

it's interesting that one of the defining myths of Judeo-Christian identity is that 'rebellion against authority' is considered 'evil'.


Ever read "Beyond Good and Evil"?
 
2012-09-20 09:03:22 PM

EatTheWorld: Religious freedom or lack of one at all is just as much a cornerstone of our nation as is free speech or the 2nd. The bible thumpers are killing republicans.

Rick Perry leaves one to thank god for satan... goddamnit you moron you are not helping.


The worst/best part is that we have MANY perfect examples of what the US would look like if these people got their way and were able to push their religion via the state. The islamic world is a poster child for why a free society must have freedom of and from religion.

You know what might work?? Trying to convince more of these wackjobs to bring the Word of Jesus to the islamic world!!! "Please, they are praying on saturday and dont believe in the trinity!!! it is your duty to save them!!!"
 
2012-09-20 09:03:57 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Weaver95: it's interesting that one of the defining myths of Judeo-Christian identity is that 'rebellion against authority' is considered 'evil'.

Over the summer, the local branch of Baptists ran a sign outside their church saying 'you can't stumble if you're on your knees.' I thought it was rather telling.


I still trip up over the concept of free will. we're supposed to have free will...but according to most christian sects, we have to be mindlessly obedient to a central religious authority or we won't get into heaven when we die. what's the point of free will then? seems needlessly sadistic.
 
2012-09-20 09:04:11 PM

Weaver95: umad: Weaver95: for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'.

For what its worth, I don't think there is a god.

/nobody farking cares

now THAT is a very weird statement to make. it's clear that the rank and file GOP care very much about religion. sure - YOU might not care about spiritual matters but I think you'd care very much of a bunch of 'true believer' Christian dominionist theocrats managed to get control of the US government. To my way of thinking, it's a mistake to assume that religion isn't important or that 'nobody cares'. Even if it's not important to YOU, it's important to a whole lot of voters...and their votes WILL affect you.


I'm not an idiot. I know their vote affects me. I just don't care which or how many gods they are basing that vote on. All religions and forms of 'spirituality' is equally retarded. I wish all of you would pull your heads out of your asses.
 
2012-09-20 09:04:54 PM
So the founding fathers are satan.

Satan doesn't exist.

Therefore the founding fathers don't exist?
 
2012-09-20 09:04:54 PM

Blues_X: He needs a dick punch.

straight jacket.

FTFY
 
2012-09-20 09:04:55 PM
*are equally

/proofreading fail
 
2012-09-20 09:04:58 PM
If you could power a flashlight with the energy from from a single bacterium, I suspect the light from that bulb would still be brighter than someone who actually believes this kind of horse poopie.
 
2012-09-20 09:05:29 PM

Weaver95: God-is-a-Taco:
Lucifer is right up there with Prometheus in my book. Hell, he's probably the same guy.

it's interesting that one of the defining myths of Judeo-Christian identity is that 'rebellion against authority' is considered 'evil'.


PLUS, you know that all the cool and fun people get to hand out with Satan for all eternity.
WHY would Satan punish people that are not allowed into heaven? Wouldnt that technically be doing god's work??? Hell, a proper HELL would be non-stop awesomeness. Firefly 24x7. sex, drugs, rock and roll.
and NO bible thumping rtards!!!
 
2012-09-20 09:05:33 PM

Weaver95: God-is-a-Taco: In the bible, God runs things and Satan is nearly powerless
In "reality", Satan runs things and God is nearly powerless.

for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'. I think the pagans are closer to figuring it out - there's a bunch of gods and spirits and the spirit world is just as muddied as this world.

also, 'satan' (or lucifer if you'd prefer) seems to have been more of a job description and less of an actual rebellious angel (although there might have been more than a few of those kicking around).


That's what Jews believe, that Lucifer is the 'left hand of God', that it's his job to tempt people into sin, and he hates his job. He looks forward to the day that he fails.
 
2012-09-20 09:06:49 PM

GAT_00:


I expected the Church Lady to be the Boobies.
 
2012-09-20 09:07:36 PM

Mugato: Satan really gets a bad rap. Unlike God, there's nothing in the Bible about Satan committing genocide or killing children. All he's really accused of is hiding fossils and giving an apple to a naked chick.

Lumpmoose: Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. - Thomas Jefferson

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,-and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. - Treaty of Tripoli, signed by President John Adams (the first one who co-drafted the Declaration of Independence)


Has anybody else read the Age of Reason by Founding Father Thomas Payne? I'm about halfway through with it now, it is a tour de force of religion bashing. The best part is that if it weren't for Payne's first book, there wouldn't have been a revolution at all and he is probably the most important founding father. That's not even hyperbole.

Anyways, he wrote the aforementioned book that basically just consists of tearing the Bible apart for hundreds of pages. It's highly recommended. He had this whole part on how silly Satan is as an entity. His origin story is that he had a war with God, but none of the people in the battle can be hurt or killed, so God banishes Lucifer to a giant pit (basically just stealing the story of Tartarus from the Greeks).

After that stolen story, it seems the authors decided to make Lucifer then more powerful than God. Lucifer frees himself of his own accord from God's punishment, which seemingly gives him more power than God. After he escapes, he not only exists outside of the pit but seemingly everywhere at once, just like God. The first thing he does is ruin God's creation of man by simple trickery, so God's response is to make a human representation of himself go to Earth and die to make up for it. And if Judas had to sell Jesus out, then it means Jesus was not meaning to die when he did. If Satan had to go to Earth and die as punishment for his crime, it would make a lot more sense than what happened. The whole thing is completely ridiculous and completely contradictory.
 
2012-09-20 09:08:03 PM
Rick Perry is a proud man and you'd be too if you were the man whose IQ score sparked the discovery of a brand new class of numbers -- the imaginary numbers.
 
2012-09-20 09:08:57 PM

Weaver95: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Weaver95: it's interesting that one of the defining myths of Judeo-Christian identity is that 'rebellion against authority' is considered 'evil'.

Over the summer, the local branch of Baptists ran a sign outside their church saying 'you can't stumble if you're on your knees.' I thought it was rather telling.

I still trip up over the concept of free will. we're supposed to have free will...but according to most christian sects, we have to be mindlessly obedient to a central religious authority or we won't get into heaven when we die. what's the point of free will then? seems needlessly sadistic.


OK, one last quote from The Devil's Advocate "Free will, it is a biatch." But, as a Catholic, I get to say "sorry" at the end, and all is forgiven.
 
2012-09-20 09:09:09 PM

umad:
I'm not an idiot. I know their vote affects me. I just don't care which or how many gods they are basing that vote on. All religions and forms of 'spirituality' is equally retarded. I wish all of you would pull your heads out of your asses.


I love this attitude. 'all you people are assholes for demanding that I follow your belief system...so i'm going to demand that you follow MY belief system or I'll call you stupid!'

you might want to take a step back and reconsider your worldview. while I certainly don't agree with atheists (I think *something* is out there), I wholeheartedly agree that atheists have a right to exist, hold public office and generally live their lives as they see fit without interference from anyone over their non-beliefs. All most people want is the same sort of consideration in return....and that includes telling snotty atheists to STFU about how superior they are over anyone who believes in a god (or gods).
 
2012-09-20 09:10:07 PM

Gothnet: my herniated disc: between this guy and the legit rape guy I really have to ask W.T.F America??

seriously... WHAT THE fark IS GOING ON DOWN THERE????!!!!!

As an outside observer all I can conclude is that the republican party is going for the religious, jingoistic, nationalist moron vote this time around, and as it's the US it stands a slim chance of working...


Don't forget about the guy (Steve King) who thinks because boxing is allowed that dogfighting is also just peachy.


simplicimus: God-is-a-Taco: Weaver95:
for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'. I think the pagans are closer to figuring it out - there's a bunch of gods and spirits and the spirit world is just as muddied as this world.

also, satan' (or lucifer if you'd prefer) seems to have been more of a job description and less of an actual rebellious angel (although there might have been more than a few of those kicking around).

I've been reading too many political threads. My brain first registered this as "job creator". 
The "Minor God rebelling against Major God(s)" is one of my favorite stories in myths, and as I said in another Satan/Lucifer thread I see most of Christian myths as not-so-subtle rip-offs of Greek (Roman) mythology.

Lucifer is right up there with Prometheus in my book. Hell, he's probably the same guy.

Well, Lucifer means "Light Bringer".


He's also sometimes called "Morning Star".

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-20 09:11:38 PM
When you've been dealing with painful stomach and intestinal cramps for hours on end, there's nothing more refreshing than finally being able to take a giant Rick Perry. It's almost as refreshing as Rick Perrying in a hotel bathroom when everyone's going to be away for awhile so you don't have to be embarrassed about the sounds or the smells.
 
2012-09-20 09:12:18 PM

Weaver95: umad:
I'm not an idiot. I know their vote affects me. I just don't care which or how many gods they are basing that vote on. All religions and forms of 'spirituality' is equally retarded. I wish all of you would pull your heads out of your asses.

I love this attitude. 'all you people are assholes for demanding that I follow your belief system...so i'm going to demand that you follow MY belief system or I'll call you stupid!'


I'm not demanding that you do anything. I'm just not going to kiss your ass and treat you special because you are some kind of hipster when it comes to religion. Anybody that believes in anything without proof is a fool.
 
2012-09-20 09:13:14 PM
as an aside, one of my favorite quotes from the 'Lucifer' comic series was this exchange:


Michael: I'll take you home, if you wish.
Elaine: No, thanks. I'll wait for Lucifer.
Michael: Be wary of him, Elaine. You have a long way to go, and he is not the safest of travelling companions.
Elaine: He saved my life twice. He's the only grown-up I know who keeps his promises.
Michael: Yes. It is a point of pride with him. But please - don't mistake it for a virtue.
 
2012-09-20 09:13:25 PM

meat0918: Perry should also be reminded then that according to his Bible, all earthly authority derives from God.

Therefore, God chose Obama.

//Also, revolt is a sin just like witchcraft, so knock off the secession talk!


Can I use that one?.
 
2012-09-20 09:13:35 PM
This is London Times article questioning why religion hasn't been a bigger issue in election - specifically Mitt Romney's Weird Religion:

Link

after this understand why Freepers call him Myth Romney
 
2012-09-20 09:13:41 PM
Satan. And the First Amendment.

Churches are competing power structure. The founders didn't want a competing power structure for their fledgling state. Hence, the First Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." 

How many times are the words "Jesus" or "Christ" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution or Bill Of Rights? Precisely zero. 

It's the first clause in the First Amendment. The founders weren't screwing around with this.
 
2012-09-20 09:14:15 PM

Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.


The last girl I dated had this same misconception, I explained by the founding father's put it in, explaining what happened with the church of England and what happens when the government and religion is to intertwined.
 
2012-09-20 09:14:16 PM

SnakeLee: Mugato:


.....

So, basically, Rick Perry needs to follow Glenn Beck's and Bill O'Reilly's thinking AND READ UP ON SOME FARKING HISTORY. Or he hates the founding fathers. I really don't care which, the guy is an embarrassment to conservatives. And liberals hate him. And he managed to win literally tens or hundreds of thousands of votes off Mitt Romney in the Primaries.

Yay Republicans!
 
2012-09-20 09:14:38 PM

umad:
I'm not demanding that you do anything. I'm just not going to kiss your ass and treat you special because you are some kind of hipster when it comes to religion. Anybody that believes in anything without proof is a fool.


you sound no different than a religious fundie. you still demand that people follow YOUR belief system and look down on anyone who's different.
 
2012-09-20 09:15:13 PM
Somacandra: Statism exists in a variety of ideological flavors. Its not a religion itself though--religions have rituals. Specific nationalisms on the other hand are quite religious. American civil religion has its sacred scriptures (Const, DOI), its rituals (voting, pledge of allegiance) and its mythic narrative it convinces itself its about (twirling, ever-twirling towards freedom and progress).

semantics I say. What is the difference between fanaticism for the church or the state?

EatTheWorld:
Weaver95: while that's an interesting side discussion, it's not really all that relevant to THIS conversation...which is about a key member of the Republican party who's pretty open about his wish to turn the USA into a theocratic regime.

Oh forbid me to change topics? I see church up there with the blue fox on a red ball.... And Rick Perry, fark him, he lost miserably. Pathetically. And deserved to do so. Liberals love government, can't you admit that?


No, we can't "admit that" because it's stupid. I am a liberal. I live in the real world. Sometimes, over the course of history government has been necessary to secure life and liberties against a harsh reality. Period. Real world concerns. Sometimes, a lack of an effective state is a drawback to survival and freedom. Where and when, is open to plenty of debate, but liberals and "statists" in general are generally willing to have that debate. Find me a liberal who doesn't realize that government power can be abused.

Are there SOME liberals for whom government replaces religion, or who are fanatics in the same sense that religious theocrats are fanatics? I suppose it's possible, but I've never met one in my life, except in the delusional dogshiat comments posted by pathetic idiots like yourself, who seem to see yourselves as so far above the common lot of humanity.

But you know what DOES sound very religious? When idiots run around talking about that "liberal" cult of government, acting as if government has become an idol or a god figure, when it is in reality only a satan figure for smart, insightful, totally non-sheeple folks like you....LOL.
 
2012-09-20 09:16:13 PM
Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) shared his thoughts

That was unwise. He doesn't have enough to spare and needs all his thoughts for himself.
 
2012-09-20 09:17:16 PM

fusillade762: Well, Lucifer means "Light Bringer".

He's also sometimes called "Morning Star".


Reminds me of Lucifer from the Sandman series (gaiman)
 
2012-09-20 09:17:57 PM
"We have a biblical responsibility to be involved in the public arena proclaiming God's truth."

I have a responsibility to Jesus, Socrates, Muhammad, Confucius, Newton, Alexander, and Budda--along with every other great scientist and philosopher in human history and everyday heroes who have fought through adversity to bring a net gain to our civilization--to help ensure in my lifetime that a short-sighted, bigoted, literal-bible-thumping moron never becomes POTUS.
 
2012-09-20 09:18:28 PM

vernonFL: Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?


You know what, in a way, he probably does. He probably believes those things are 'of the devil' or somesuch, and that they have demonic powers.

Or at least that's what he would say to rile up his followers.
 
2012-09-20 09:19:07 PM
If Rick Perry's rhetoric were a food, he'd be licorice infused sauerkraut because it's only barely palatable if you're very, very high or unconscious.
 
2012-09-20 09:19:16 PM

Weaver95: umad:
I'm not demanding that you do anything. I'm just not going to kiss your ass and treat you special because you are some kind of hipster when it comes to religion. Anybody that believes in anything without proof is a fool.

you sound no different than a religious fundie. you still demand that people follow YOUR belief system and look down on anyone who's different.


Again, I'm not demanding that you do anything. Believe anything you want. I won't deny believing that you are an idiot for those beliefs though. Are you pulling the "it's racist to point out racism" argument on me here?
 
2012-09-20 09:21:07 PM

Thisbymaster: hurch of England


I doubt Perry has heard of this church or understands that America was founded in part by people wishing to worship free of religious persecution --- by Christians
 
2012-09-20 09:21:08 PM

umad: Weaver95: umad:
I'm not an idiot. I know their vote affects me. I just don't care which or how many gods they are basing that vote on. All religions and forms of 'spirituality' is equally retarded. I wish all of you would pull your heads out of your asses.

I love this attitude. 'all you people are assholes for demanding that I follow your belief system...so i'm going to demand that you follow MY belief system or I'll call you stupid!'

I'm not demanding that you do anything. I'm just not going to kiss your ass and treat you special because you are some kind of hipster when it comes to religion. Anybody that believes in anything without proof is a fool.


Well, you know...that's just, like... your opinion, man
 
2012-09-20 09:21:38 PM
This just in, Perey is an idiot.
 
2012-09-20 09:22:28 PM

CygnusDarius: meat0918: Perry should also be reminded then that according to his Bible, all earthly authority derives from God.

Therefore, God chose Obama.

//Also, revolt is a sin just like witchcraft, so knock off the secession talk!

Can I use that one?.


Sure, I got it from here though Link
 
2012-09-20 09:23:30 PM
What happens when the denomination of the elected official changes? There are so many differences between the doctrine of the denominations. Perry mistakenly overestimates the evangelical demographic. What would he do if a tight-asses church of christer bans dancing and musical instruments and wine communion(they prefer grape juice.) That would really piss off the catholics and lutherans, who love to party down.

Pentecostals will be opening government run faith healing clinics where epileptics and drug users are exorcised of their demons. This is going to be very offensive to the Mormons, who will ban smoking, coffee and red bull. Baptists themselves have everything from the footwashing to the spirit filled and those two groups don't agree on much of anything either, except that everyone needs a good dunking.

What if your evangelical raised child gets an episcopal teacher? It will be anarchy, religious wars and total mayhem. This is why I oppose separation of church and state, it would be freaking hilarious to witness the total meltdown.
 
2012-09-20 09:23:50 PM

Weaver95: I still trip up over the concept of free will. we're supposed to have free will...but according to most christian sects, we have to be mindlessly obedient to a central religious authority or we won't get into heaven when we die. what's the point of free will then? seems needlessly sadistic.


Even better: Doesn't "God" have free will too? Didn't he "choose" to leave two relative "toddlers" (morally and intellectually speaking,) alone with an agent of then devil? Who let the Serpent into Paradise? At best, "God" is nothing better than a negligent parent. At worst, an abusive, negligent parent, for when he discovered the results of his neglect, he banished them from Paradise, as well as all of their descendants as well. So, not only an abusive, negligent parent, but a vain, irresponsible, petty, abusive, negligent parent.

Personally, I expect more from a deity that desires my love and worship. These aren't the actions of a kind and loving god, they're the actions of an office temp with a bad attitude.

George was right.
 
2012-09-20 09:24:13 PM

namatad: fusillade762: Well, Lucifer means "Light Bringer".

He's also sometimes called "Morning Star".

Reminds me of Lucifer from the Sandman series (gaiman)


Good eye :)
 
2012-09-20 09:24:33 PM

Weaver95: you sound no different than a religious fundie. you still demand that people follow YOUR belief system and look down on anyone who's different.


There is a sideways question concerning religion. At what point are "these" people delusional?
Take Scientology or LDS as perfect examples. These "religions" were created recently enough that we have pretty good evidence of there authorship and creation. We know WHO and WHEN.
Smith and LDS, either he made everything up or he was delusional. Period. Angels, magic decoder rings. When he decoded the book the second time it was different than the first time? Give me a break.
Scientology is even more delusional when you get into its creation.

/yes, we can leave out the (I think *something* is out there). there is no way to prove that there isnt. which isnt the same as that lack of proof being proof that there is something. So I can give you *something*. But it is crystal clear that the tards who claim to know the mind of god are delusional.
//ever notice that each new religion starts with "I am the FINAL PROPHET!!"
 
2012-09-20 09:24:57 PM

CygnusDarius: meat0918: Perry should also be reminded then that according to his Bible, all earthly authority derives from God.

Therefore, God chose Obama.

//Also, revolt is a sin just like witchcraft, so knock off the secession talk!

Can I use that one?.


The Bible says a lot of things. It also says

Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

For every side there's an opposite side you can pick and choose depending on what day it is. That's the beauty of it.
 
2012-09-20 09:26:10 PM

fusillade762: namatad: fusillade762: Well, Lucifer means "Light Bringer".

He's also sometimes called "Morning Star".

Reminds me of Lucifer from the Sandman series (gaiman)

Good eye :)


I THOUGHT that that was where it was from. But didnt want to guess and look stupid. HAHAHAHHA
Probably time to re-read those again. For Death, if no other reason. :D
 
2012-09-20 09:27:16 PM

simplicimus: Gothnet: my herniated disc: between this guy and the legit rape guy I really have to ask W.T.F America??

seriously... WHAT THE fark IS GOING ON DOWN THERE????!!!!!

As an outside observer all I can conclude is that the republican party is going for the religious, jingoistic, nationalist moron vote this time around, and as it's the US it stands a slim chance of working...

This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.


I think you mean *it's* death throws

Hey your welcome
 
2012-09-20 09:29:14 PM
Interesting the way stuff from the Obama is awesome tab seems to be bleeding over more and more in the main tab. The poll numbers must be tight again.
 
2012-09-20 09:30:19 PM

Lumpmoose: Jefferson


You should add to your armament with the Danbury Letter

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802. 


Also, add to the arsenal George Washington's (yes, that Washington) letter to the Touro Synagogue It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my administration and fervent wishes for my felicity.

May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants-while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.


And the The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution for Cause Of Conscience by Roger Williams in 1644.

And then we come to Willam Penn's Charter: I doe hereby Grant and Declare that noe person or persons Inhabiting in this Province or Territories who shall Confesse and Acknowledge one Almighty God the Creator upholder and Ruler of the world and professe him or themselves Obliged to live quietly under the Civill Governement shall be in any case molested or prejudiced in his or theire person or Estate because of his or theire Conscientious perswasion or practice nor be compelled to frequent or mentaine any Religious Worship place or Ministry contrary to his or theire mind or doe or Suffer any other act or thing contrary to theire Religious perswasion

And then there is King Charles' Charter for Rhode Island

And whereas, in theire humble addresse, they have ffreely declared, that it is much on their hearts (if they may be permitted), to hold forth a livlie experiment, that a most flourishing civill state may stand and best bee maintained, and that among our English subjects. with a full libertie in religious concernements; and that true pietye rightly grounded upon gospell principles, will give the best and greatest security to sovereignetye, and will lay in the hearts of men the strongest obligations to true loyaltye: Now know bee, that wee beinge willinge to encourage the hopefull undertakeinge of oure sayd lovall and loveinge subjects, and to secure them in the free exercise and enjovment of all theire civill and religious rights, appertaining to them, as our loveing subjects; and to preserve unto them that libertye, in the true Christian ffaith and worshipp of God, which they have sought with soe much travaill, and with peaceable myndes, and lovall subjectione to our royall progenitors and ourselves, to enjoye; and because some of the people and inhabitants of the same colonie cannot, in theire private opinions, conforms to the publique exercise of religion, according to the litturgy, formes and ceremonyes of the Church of England, or take or subscribe the oaths and articles made and established in that behalfe; and for that the same, by reason of the remote distances of those places, will (as wee hope) bee noe breach of the unitie and unifformitie established in this nation: Have therefore thought ffit, and doe hereby publish, graunt, ordeyne and declare, That our royall will and pleasure is, that noe person within the sayd colonye, at any tyme hereafter, shall bee any wise molested, punished, disquieted, or called in question, for any differences in opinione in matters of religion, and doe not actually disturb the civill peace of our sayd colony; but that all and everye person and persons may, from tyme to tyme, and at all tymes hereafter, freelye and fullye have and enjoye his and theire owne judgments and consciences, in matters of religious concernments, throughout the tract of lance hereafter mentioned; they behaving themselves peaceablie and quietlie, and not useing this libertie to lycentiousnesse and profanenesse, nor to the civill injurye or outward disturbeance of others; any lawe, statute, or clause, therein contayned, or to bee contayned, usage or custome of this realme, to the contrary hereof, in any wise, notwithstanding. And that they may bee in the better capacity to defend themselves, in theire just rights and libertyes against all the enemies of the Christian ffaith, and others, in all respects, wee have further thought fit, and at the humble petition of the persons aforesayd are gratiously pleased to declare, That they shall have and enjoye the benefist of our late act of indempnity and ffree pardon, as the rest of our subjects in other our dominions and territoryes have; and to create and make them a bodye politique or corporate, with the powers and priviledges hereinafter mentioned.


No, Perry, the "wall between Church and State" did not come from the 60s counterculture.

Oh and all that Christian Warrior shiat is Dominionism . We had two full-on Dominionists running for President - Perry and Bachmann, and one Opus Dei - Santorum. What a frightening thing that was. We still have a Dominionist running around from the 2008 election still spilling her derp for people to slip on - Sarah Palin.

Read the link If someone starts talking about Christian Warriors or some such, they are dominionists. Notice how the beliefs of Dominionism mesh perfectly with today's GOP. That's the result of courting the nutjobs. It's exactly what Barry Goldwater was afraid of. "You will never be rid of them," he said.

I love to beat the American Taliban over the head with the above. They go away not having a response except "fark you."
 
2012-09-20 09:32:51 PM

namatad: fusillade762: namatad: fusillade762: Well, Lucifer means "Light Bringer".

He's also sometimes called "Morning Star".

Reminds me of Lucifer from the Sandman series (gaiman)

Good eye :)

I THOUGHT that that was where it was from. But didnt want to guess and look stupid. HAHAHAHHA
Probably time to re-read those again. For Death, if no other reason. :D


After Sandman finished, Mike Carey wrote a 70 or so issue run of Lucifer, continuing where his character left off in the Sandman series. You should read it, it's pretty good.
 
2012-09-20 09:33:57 PM
This
Perry said the separation of religious and civic institutions in the U.S. began with a "narrative" that first took root in the 1960s

has been bugging me all day. And now, I know why. Anyone want to guess what happened in the South in the 60s ?
 
2012-09-20 09:34:38 PM

Weaver95: EatTheWorld: [herp] i'm wondering why you seem so desperate to change the subject....


Doesn't a strawman, by definition, require changing the subject?
 
2012-09-20 09:34:58 PM
If I had a chin for every stupid thing Rick Perry's ever said or done, I would be a Chinese phone book.
 
2012-09-20 09:35:13 PM

LDM90: simplicimus: Gothnet: my herniated disc: between this guy and the legit rape guy I really have to ask W.T.F America??

seriously... WHAT THE fark IS GOING ON DOWN THERE????!!!!!

As an outside observer all I can conclude is that the republican party is going for the religious, jingoistic, nationalist moron vote this time around, and as it's the US it stands a slim chance of working...

This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.


I think you mean *it's* death throws

Hey your welcome


'Its' is the possessive form. You absolutely only use 'it's' as a contraction like 'it is' or 'it has'.
 
2012-09-20 09:36:56 PM

LDM90: simplicimus: Gothnet: my herniated disc: between this guy and the legit rape guy I really have to ask W.T.F America??

seriously... WHAT THE fark IS GOING ON DOWN THERE????!!!!!

As an outside observer all I can conclude is that the republican party is going for the religious, jingoistic, nationalist moron vote this time around, and as it's the US it stands a slim chance of working...

This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.

I think you mean *it's* death throws

Hey your welcome


No, genitive case. "It is" would make no sense.
 
2012-09-20 09:37:13 PM

Kanemano: and by the way Rick, if you see your mom this weekend, be sure and tell her



Hahahaha. Great call. Sweat Loaf
 
2012-09-20 09:38:26 PM
Rick Perry has his good days, he has his bad days. It's just that the bad ones happen every 23 hours.
 
2012-09-20 09:40:23 PM

brukmann: LDM90: simplicimus: Gothnet: my herniated disc: between this guy and the legit rape guy I really have to ask W.T.F America??

seriously... WHAT THE fark IS GOING ON DOWN THERE????!!!!!

As an outside observer all I can conclude is that the republican party is going for the religious, jingoistic, nationalist moron vote this time around, and as it's the US it stands a slim chance of working...

This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.

I think you mean *it's* death throws

Hey your welcome

'Its' is the possessive form. You absolutely only use 'it's' as a contraction like 'it is' or 'it has'.


I think you mean only *u's* 'it's'

Hey your welcome
 
2012-09-20 09:41:23 PM
They say that every time a woman aborts her child, Rick Perry grows another chromosome.
 
2012-09-20 09:42:30 PM
If Rick Perry were an anchor, his target would be _blank.
 
2012-09-20 09:43:09 PM
It is wackos like this whut made our founding fathers put laws in place...no? When creating a more perfect union...yes? Where all are created equal...hmm? Life, liberty, happiness? Right?

/too many questions....?
 
2012-09-20 09:44:03 PM
As a conservative Christian and a Texan,I have this to say to Perry and his ilk:
Morality can never be legislated.
Faith can never be legislated.
 
2012-09-20 09:44:17 PM

MrHappyRotter: They say that every time a woman aborts her child, Rick Perry grows another chromosome.


So, he has a full set by now?
 
2012-09-20 09:44:19 PM

simplicimus: No, genitive case. "It is" would make no sense.


Yet both of you missed "throws" instead of "throes"
 
2012-09-20 09:44:30 PM
Thank GOD we have a pious man like Perry to lead us! Everyone else is a heathen or a backslider. Every single problem we have is because we turn our backs on the ways of righteousness. We are being punished for embracing the Gays, the Abortionists and the Socialisms. Please tell us what to do Perry , Save Us!

/ I'm sure we could storm the Iranian embassy and prove our devotion.
// or maybe launch an attack on California...

(SNARK OFF)
 
2012-09-20 09:44:39 PM

umad: brukmann: LDM90: simplicimus: Gothnet: my herniated disc:
This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.

I think you mean *it's* death throws

Hey your welcome

'Its' is the possessive form. You absolutely only use 'it's' as a contraction like 'it is' or 'it has'.

I think you mean only *u's* 'it's'

Hey your welcome


I think you mean *you're* welcome.

Hey you're welcome
 
2012-09-20 09:44:50 PM

MrHappyRotter: If Rick Perry were an anchor, his target would be _blank.


First one was funny. I don't get this one.
 
2012-09-20 09:45:11 PM

simplicimus: Don't Troll Me Bro!: So your god isn't the master of his domain? Why do you call him God?

Read the Book of Job. Two guys hanging out, torturing the fark out some guy to settle a bet.


Love that book. God let's Satan goad him into doing unspeakable things to a good man. Insecure? Check. Mean? Check. Immature? Check. Sociopathic? Check. Worthy of the title "God?" Nope.
 
2012-09-20 09:46:42 PM

sweet-daddy-2: As a conservative Christian and a Texan,I have this to say to Perry and his ilk:
Morality can never be legislated.
Faith can never be legislated.


As a liberal Christian (well Catholic, so draw your own conclusion) and a Texan. I agree.
 
2012-09-20 09:47:19 PM
This is pretty sweet

weaselzippers.us
 
2012-09-20 09:48:19 PM

brukmann: umad: brukmann: LDM90: simplicimus: Gothnet: my herniated disc:
This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.

I think you mean *it's* death throws

Hey your welcome

'Its' is the possessive form. You absolutely only use 'it's' as a contraction like 'it is' or 'it has'.

I think you mean only *u's* 'it's'

Hey your welcome

I think you mean *you're* welcome.

Hey you're welcome


ok. I can't tell who is farking around and who is being serious here anymore.
 
2012-09-20 09:51:05 PM
No Govenor, its not Satan - its the farking CONSTITUTION you moron.

Constitutional law,ever heard of it motherfarker?
 
2012-09-20 09:51:05 PM

bubo_sibiricus: simplicimus: No, genitive case. "It is" would make no sense.

Yet both of you missed "throws" instead of "throes"


I apologize. I am a slave to spellcheck.
 
2012-09-20 09:56:01 PM
Don't blink, you might miss it when Rick Perry actually does something awesome for a change.
 
2012-09-20 09:57:46 PM

umad: brukmann: umad: brukmann: LDM90: simplicimus: Gothnet: my herniated disc:
This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.

I think you mean *it's* death throws

Hey your welcome

'Its' is the possessive form. You absolutely only use 'it's' as a contraction like 'it is' or 'it has'.

I think you mean only *u's* 'it's'

Hey your welcome

I think you mean *you're* welcome.

Hey you're welcome

ok. I can't tell who is farking around and who is being serious here anymore.


You put forth the proposition that anyone here is being serious. I require more data.
 
2012-09-20 09:59:18 PM

MrHappyRotter: Don't blink, you might miss it when Rick Perry actually does something awesome for a change.


Unless it's Seppuku, I don't care.
 
2012-09-20 09:59:21 PM
Perry's pick for US Senate lost in the Republican primary to an extremist, heavily financed "Tea Party Favorite©" so it's confusing which Satan he's talking about.

That Tea Party was invented to replace the Christian Coalition which lost all non-profit status in almost every state but Texas due to partisan politics. The Tea Party was to be a secular version.

As to unseparation of church and state, there are four religions in the US at least that have practical experience in being the state religion and Perry's evangelical non-aligned slippery theology outfits are not one.  Is he shopping for Roman Catholic (was Texas official religion until 1836), Anglican, Islam or Othodox Judaism? Maybe Buddhist, Zoroastrian, whatever. If you're going to govern by religion, you need a religion with experience, you can't just do it by faith.
 
2012-09-20 09:59:58 PM
To err is human, but Rick Perry is asinine.
 
2012-09-20 10:02:11 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Religion sucks. Government sucks. Together they make a ultra-vortex of suck. Imagine if you will, a musical duet of Rebecca Black and Creed.

It is that level of suck.


With or without Auto-tune?
 
2012-09-20 10:02:13 PM
It will be great when all the idiots like him finally die off.

And it will happen.
 
2012-09-20 10:03:49 PM

HAMMERTOE: Personally, I expect more from a deity that desires my love and worship. These aren't the actions of a kind and loving god, they're the actions of an office temp with a bad attitude.


Not sure which Christian heresy it was... probably several flavors...

Their idea was that in Genesis "God" is the villain who keeps human like pets in ignorance and the serpent is the hero, and the one who should be worshiped for giving humans reason and free will.
 
2012-09-20 10:04:03 PM
Rick Perry is the Hitler of good ideas.
 
2012-09-20 10:04:05 PM
Wait a second here.

My understanding of the Founding Fathers (acquired solely from information provided by the hard right, of course) is that they were all devout Christians and intended for this to be a Christian nation under Biblical Law. Right?

But now Rick Perry says that what they wrote is Of The Devil.

Is this what those horrible, awful, no-good liberals call cognitive dissonance?
 
2012-09-20 10:09:36 PM
You know, Rick Perry sometimes gets a bum rape.
 
2012-09-20 10:17:26 PM
Dear God what an idiot. He's an embarrassment to Texas and to all Christians who have two brain cells to rub together.

/I move we recall this waste of protoplasm. Do I hear a second?
 
2012-09-20 10:17:30 PM
Because being free from being forced at the end of a gun to pray to Supply Side JAY-ZUSS! is a sure sign of demonic possession.
 
2012-09-20 10:18:57 PM

vernonFL: Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?


Absolutly. They are witchcraft, made by the devil to trick them into worshiping false gods.
 
2012-09-20 10:19:20 PM
Why we need a Separation of Church and State:

www.inquisition-art.net
 
2012-09-20 10:22:23 PM
oh don't be so quick to write off the separation of church and state, rick

it allows your churches to still denigrate homos and their ilk.
 
2012-09-20 10:25:56 PM
Rick Perry and I have some things in common. For instance, I have an ass hole and he is one.
 
2012-09-20 10:26:09 PM
When all else fails, blame Satan. It's the Xian way.
 
2012-09-20 10:26:56 PM
Once, the Romans fed Christians to lions.

Later, this practice fell into decline. So did Rome.

Coincidence? I think NOT.
 
2012-09-20 10:27:22 PM
The truly scary thing is there are enough idiots out there to vote him into office.
 
2012-09-20 10:28:54 PM

EatTheWorld: Weaver95: you cannot scrub the Jesus out of the Republicans no matter how hard you try

we could try? if we put Perry, Bachman, Akin, Santorum, and all their batshiat crazy friends on a boat to Fiji, I know that would be a good start.


What did Fiji ever do to you!?
 
2012-09-20 10:30:48 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: HAMMERTOE: Personally, I expect more from a deity that desires my love and worship. These aren't the actions of a kind and loving god, they're the actions of an office temp with a bad attitude.

Not sure which Christian heresy it was... probably several flavors...

Their idea was that in Genesis "God" is the villain who keeps human like pets in ignorance and the serpent is the hero, and the one who should be worshiped for giving humans reason and free will.


Actually, a Deist said that. I read it recently, but can't find it right now.
 
2012-09-20 10:41:02 PM

Weaver95: I love this attitude. 'all you people are assholes for demanding that I follow your belief system...so i'm going to demand that you follow MY belief system or I'll call you stupid!'

you might want to take a step back and reconsider your worldview. while I certainly don't agree with atheists (I think *something* is out there), I wholeheartedly agree that atheists have a right to exist, hold public office and generally live their lives as they see fit without interference from anyone over their non-beliefs. All most people want is the same sort of consideration in return....and that includes telling snotty atheists to STFU about how superior they are over anyone who believes in a god (or gods)


I don't want to be snotty, but I'm more or less with umad. I don't understand religion,. I don't understand why people are religious. I do understand that most religious people are not mentally ill. I understand that someone can have religious beliefs and still drive a car. I'd be willing to let a religious surgeon perform heart surgery on me if I needed it. Religious people are not crazy in a way that compromises their ability to live and perform tasks in the real world. But still, I don't get it. I have a really, really hard time understanding how somebody can be capable of driving a car or performing surgery, and still believe that there were talking snakes in the Garden of Eden. How can someone reconcile even the remotest respect for the importance of evidence with the simultaneous belief that there are angels flying around, or that devils and gods and genies (for Muslims) and resurrections and virgin births and magic Earth-covering floods are real things? Basically it disturbs the sh*t out of me that people believe these things. I understand that my religious friends and family members aren't (all) insane. But that sane people believe in angels and talking snakes freaks me right the f*ck out. 

Any religious person who criticizes Mormons or Scientologists on the basis that they believe crazy things has to have a profound capacity for cognitive dissonance.
 
2012-09-20 10:45:05 PM

EatTheWorld: and ya, if they NEED the government for all that in perpetuity, then them voting to cut that net will never happen. And it seems clear that is the way democrats want it. Therefore the liberal religion is born.


except you're pulling shiat out of your ass. according to official federal welfare statistics 99% of people who are on federal assistance are on it for once in their life for less than six months.


but don't let facts get in the way of your mythology
 
2012-09-20 10:46:22 PM

Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.


Truth is none of them care what they believe, they'll believe whatever someone in authority tells them to. It's the worship of power and especially the power to compel others to believe.
 
2012-09-20 10:46:38 PM
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-20 10:47:40 PM
Hmm, could this desire for a theocracy be less because they want to "spread the Good News" and more about wanting the government to bestow power upon them because obviously the power of prayer isn't working?
 
2012-09-20 10:51:34 PM

Hickory-smoked: AssAsInAssassin: FlashHarry: Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.

no shiat: "or prohibit the free exercise thereof."

I hope you're not serious, but on the off chance that you are...

Uh, the previous two posters were agreeing with each other.


Sorry, my irony detector is broken. I see so many fundies who honestly believe that "freedom of religion" means they get to inflict their dogma onto everyone else. Forgive me for not recognizing the sympathetic nature of the Farker's post. Poe's Law strikes again.
 
2012-09-20 10:54:45 PM

EatTheWorld: Weaver95: Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.

I agree. But just for funs sake, couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb, with topside government health care, food stamps, EIC, retirement, you know, kinda of like all of our real need? health, food, money, and oldfart worry free. Not that I'm saying government is good at any of these things, but they try, and mean well. To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you. Worse than religion actually.


Do you know of any country on earth that supplies everything for its citizens?

Even Norwegians and Swedes who may have the best welfare system in the world hold down jobs and earn money. The state provides certain basic services such as healthcare but free / subsidized food and shelter are only provided to the poor. You can argue that the lazy can also obtain free food and shelter but it is not exactly luxurious - if you want more than the very basic you need to work.

To look at it another way, does the US government own you because it builds roads, public hospitals, public schools and provides defense and emergency services? No of course not. You in fact own the government.

So I think your argument is not valid.
 
2012-09-20 10:59:43 PM

Mugato: Satan really gets a bad rap. Unlike God, there's nothing in the Bible about Satan committing genocide or killing children. All he's really accused of is hiding fossils and giving an apple to a naked chick.


I lol'd so hard I snorted! Thanks!

/I'm Christian just in case you were curious...
 
2012-09-20 11:08:26 PM
I'm from Texas and I sincerely apologize to everyone for Mr. Perry.

He's what we call "a slow learner" and we do what we can to make sure he's happy here. Unfortunately sometimes he speaks...and well, we don't really pay much attention to him and neither should you, bless his heart.
 
2012-09-20 11:13:13 PM

FlashHarry: what an epic moron.


Done.
One.

/Is everyone with an (R) nucking futts? Or is it just politicians in general?
 
2012-09-20 11:17:56 PM
Can we all agree to stop voting for people like this?
 
2012-09-20 11:23:30 PM

sethen320: I'm from Texas and I sincerely apologize to everyone for Mr. Perry.


No. The rural and 1%er douchenozzles keep voting this Cock Punch back into office. We need us some term limits, if only to get Gov. Goodhair out of Austin permanently.
i651.photobucket.com

The moment he secedes, I hope the US gives him the Sherman Treatment.
 
2012-09-20 11:26:41 PM
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],-and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Treaty of Tripoli, fark you christian nationers.
 
2012-09-20 11:30:33 PM
FTFA: "Satan runs across the world with his doubt and with his untruths and what have you and one of the untruths out there that is driven is that people of faith should not be involved in the public arena,"

I'm a person of faith myself and I think that's just not right. It's not that people of faith shouldn't be involved in the public arena. They should. America's supposed to be about democracy. However, the problem comes in when people of faith want to impose their faith on people that don't believe it. Such as this gay marriage issue.

I have no issue with your church being against gay marriage on a spiritual level. You have the right to decide what your church teaches. If you want to prevent gay people from getting married in your church, that's your prerogative. But when it's about civil marriage, which is supposed to be secular, I have an issue with that. Then it's you imposing your beliefs on people outside your faith. Which I think is wrong.

It's little different than if Jews (and possibly Muslims as well) used their political clout to make pork illegal for everyone because their religion forbids it.

If you want to blame the separation of church and state on someone, blame Jefferson...not Satan. It was his belief and idea. The phrase itself comes from him. He was not a Christian (in the religious sense), but a deist that thought Jesus had some great ideas.

He was a proponent of secularism. Why? Because no one religion should influence the government. (Or back then, it was more of an issue of no one Christian denomination should influence the government.)

If you want to be Christian, that's awesome! Be Christian. It's a free country. But you being Christian shouldn't affect your neighbor over there who is atheist. You shouldn't make laws that restrict his or her freedom to be an atheist. It's not fair to them. Nor should they be able to ban religion from the public discourse (if they were so inclined).

There's no reason why atheists and Christians can't learn to live together. Just keep the laws secular and fair so that neither the believer nor the disbeliever is prevented from living their life. Don't impose your beliefs or lack thereof upon your neighbor and things work out. Mutual respect. Treat others the way you'd want to be treated. Why is that so difficult?
 
2012-09-20 11:32:07 PM
Pssst.... Mr. Perry. Satan isn't real and you are a nutcase.
 
2012-09-20 11:34:56 PM
So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female).

Then God tells man and woman to never, EVER touch this one tree that he decided to stick right in the center of the garden within easy reach. One day, while off taking a nap or something, God completely misses Satan waltzing in and telling woman it's okay to eat from that one special tree (not knowing right and wrong, she and man had no way of knowing it was wrong to eat from it). Then God wakes up or finishes his raid on Onyxia or whatever, wonders where the humans went, and when he finds them and finds out about the tree, he completely loses his shiat and curses the entirety of creation to punish the two humans and all of their descendents. That's like you coming home to find your two-year-old got into the cookie jar, so you nuke the entire world and toss your toddler out into it to fend for himself.

From then on, it's like a horror show: God gets so emo about humans not kowtowing to him that he nearly destroys all of creation; God constantly screws with Pharaoh so he can keep torturing Egypt; God utterly destroys a man's life in a bet with Satan when he could have just waved his hand and made Satan implode or turn into a gecko; God annihilates two cities because the inhabitants are fun-loving live-for-life people, then turns the wife of the only surviving family into salt for turning around; God slaughers a bunch of children with bears for the crime of calling someone "baldy"; God demands an old man sacrifice his only son as a test of faith (would an all-knowing being really need to do something like this?); on and on and on.

Then one day, he decides that he'll finally do something about his little cursing and punishing way back when, except instea dof just snapping his fingers and making it all better, he creates this bizarre and convoluted plan where a piece of him goes down to a woman, is born mortal, lives for a while, is brutally tortured and killed, then returns to him, and somehow that forgives mankind of his sins (except it doesn't). Then he completely vanishes and for the last 2,000 years his only works are making vague images of his son and his mother appear on toast and in paint.

Oh, and one day God will destroy the universe and take a small fraction of humanity to paradise while the rest suffer in indescribable torment for the rest of infinity.

Uwe Boll movies are less convoluted and more believeable.
 
2012-09-20 11:36:11 PM
politicalmadness.org

/ image pops to host
 
2012-09-20 11:41:23 PM

yourmomlovestetris: Oh? And how would you define "religious?" What if someone holds onto a socio-political idoloegy which functions just like a religion but doesn't involve the worship of a god?


That's called a life stance. Atheism per se is not a life stance, but secularism and humanism (and secular humanism) are. Often when people say "atheism" they really mean secularism, or secular humanism, or something that may include atheism.
 
2012-09-20 11:42:22 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: EatTheWorld: Weaver95: Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.

I agree. But just for funs sake, couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb, with topside government health care, food stamps, EIC, retirement, you know, kinda of like all of our real need? health, food, money, and oldfart worry free. Not that I'm saying government is good at any of these things, but they try, and mean well. To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you. Worse than religion actually.

Religion sucks. Government sucks. Together they make a ultra-vortex of suck. Imagine if you will, a musical duet of Rebecca Black and Creed.

It is that level of suck.


I'll say, the mental image sucked out all of my will to live.

*BAM* 
 
2012-09-20 11:42:44 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female)...

Cool, except that Eve was woman 2.0. Version 1.0 was Lilith..
 
2012-09-20 11:55:06 PM

simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female)...
Cool, except that Eve was woman 2.0. Version 1.0 was Lilith..


Who refused to be dominated during sex and was tossed out of the garden by God, then ran off and humped demons.
 
2012-09-20 11:58:14 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female)...
Cool, except that Eve was woman 2.0. Version 1.0 was Lilith..

Who refused to be dominated during sex and was tossed out of the garden by God, then ran off and humped demons.


Well, everyone has a hobby.
 
2012-09-21 12:04:27 AM

EatTheWorld: Weaver95: Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.

I agree. But just for funs sake, couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb, with topside government health care, food stamps, EIC, retirement, you know, kinda of like all of our real need? health, food, money, and oldfart worry free. Not that I'm saying government is good at any of these things, but they try, and mean well. To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you. Worse than religion actually.


Wow.. that's the kind of "logic" that brought us intelligent design. Take something that makes perfect sense (Theocracy: Bad), put it through the religiopretzelometer (Yeah, but Social Security equals Theocracy), and viola! My brain bleeds.

You guys are, like, really good at that!
 
2012-09-21 12:04:38 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: HAMMERTOE: Personally, I expect more from a deity that desires my love and worship. These aren't the actions of a kind and loving god, they're the actions of an office temp with a bad attitude.

Not sure which Christian heresy it was... probably several flavors...

Their idea was that in Genesis "God" is the villain who keeps human like pets in ignorance and the serpent is the hero, and the one who should be worshiped for giving humans reason and free will.


There was an early branch of Christianity that believed that the god of the Old Testament and the god of the New Testament were two different gods opposed to each other. It was called Marcionism. I can't help but wonder sometimes if it doesn't make more sense than what most Christians believe today.
 
2012-09-21 12:12:07 AM
"Satan runs across the world with his doubt and with his untruths and what have you and one of the untruths out there that is driven is that people of faith should not be involved in the public arena,"

What bizarro-planet does this guy live on? On this planet, one must pass the religiosity-test to even THINK of getting elected in this country.

I think this is in order: 

i628.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-21 12:13:01 AM

happydude45: This is pretty sweet

[weaselzippers.us image 455x614]


The national debt was $0 when President Obama took office?
 
2012-09-21 12:14:18 AM

LobsterSausage: I'll bet if you pointed out to ol' Rick that the very same sentiments of being a "soldier" or "warrior" for his religion are the same as radical Muslims, he'd have a conniption and fart kittens.

/I tell ya, some people's kids...


Have you ever gone a week without a good rationalization?
 
2012-09-21 12:14:43 AM

simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female)...
Cool, except that Eve was woman 2.0. Version 1.0 was Lilith..


Eve was 3.0. 2 was an unnamed creation, created from inside out, first bones, then organs, muscles, and finally skin. Adam watched and was revolted and wouldn't touch her. So God uncreated her into oblivion, put him to sleep this time and made Eve from his rib.
 
2012-09-21 12:32:30 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Then God wakes up or finishes his raid on Onyxia or whatever


HA
 
2012-09-21 12:35:09 AM
Look Perry you a-hole, are you telling me my 98-year old gramsy is a saaaatanist cuz she is on Social Security!?

Because them's fightin' words.
 
2012-09-21 12:37:06 AM
Weren't the Protestants were quite concerned about the separation of church and state when JFK was running for President?

I'm sure Justice Scalia can channel the Founding Fathers thoughts about that too.
 
2012-09-21 12:37:07 AM

MrHappyRotter: To err is human, but Rick Perry is asinine.


You should have 'verbed' Rick Perry.

To err is human, to Rick Perry is asinine.
 
2012-09-21 12:40:32 AM

Minor Catastrophe: Weren't the Protestants were quite concerned about the separation of church and state when JFK was running for President?

I'm sure Justice Scalia can channel the Founding Fathers thoughts about that too.


Yep. Lived in that time. How could we elect a Catholic who got orders from the Pope?
 
2012-09-21 12:51:16 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: What temptation might look like.

[www.pensitoreview.com image 550x344]


Just curious, why do American politicians have to eat sausages? Is it the same as having to wear a flag lapel pin? Wouldn't it make more sense to eat a hamburger?
 
2012-09-21 01:06:31 AM

sethen320: He's what we call "a slow learner" and we do what we can to make sure he's happy here. Unfortunately sometimes he speaks...and well, we don't really pay much attention to him and neither should you, bless his heart.


We need a real tea party. Where anytime Perry opens his mouth, a fat guy in chaps drops his baubles in before Rick gets more than a few words out.
 
2012-09-21 01:12:09 AM

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: thisisyourbrainonFark: What temptation might look like.

[www.pensitoreview.com image 550x344]

Just curious, why do American politicians have to eat sausages? Is it the same as having to wear a flag lapel pin? Wouldn't it make more sense to eat a hamburger?


Sausage, Hamburger. Both tributes to our German heritage.
 
2012-09-21 01:15:43 AM

umad: brukmann: umad: brukmann: LDM90: simplicimus: Gothnet: my herniated disc:
This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.

I think you mean *it's* death throws

Hey your welcome

'Its' is the possessive form. You absolutely only use 'it's' as a contraction like 'it is' or 'it has'.

I think you mean only *u's* 'it's'

Hey your welcome

I think you mean *you're* welcome.

Hey you're welcome

ok. I can't tell who is farking around and who is being serious here anymore.


To make matters more confusing, everyone seems to be ignoring the point that it's not death "throws" it's death "throes".
 
2012-09-21 01:20:25 AM

Philbb: umad: brukmann: umad: brukmann: LDM90: simplicimus: Gothnet: my herniated disc:
This time? We've been doing this for decades. What you are seeing is a nation in its death throws.

I think you mean *it's* death throws

Hey your welcome

'Its' is the possessive form. You absolutely only use 'it's' as a contraction like 'it is' or 'it has'.

I think you mean only *u's* 'it's'

Hey your welcome

I think you mean *you're* welcome.

Hey you're welcome

ok. I can't tell who is farking around and who is being serious here anymore.

To make matters more confusing, everyone seems to be ignoring the point that it's not death "throws" it's death "throes".


I already apologized. Up thread.
 
2012-09-21 01:21:00 AM

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: thisisyourbrainonFark: What temptation might look like.

[www.pensitoreview.com image 550x344]

Just curious, why do American politicians have to eat sausages? Is it the same as having to wear a flag lapel pin? Wouldn't it make more sense to eat a hamburger?


For the GOP, it's called a Banger in the Mouth. It's an acceptable way to repress their deepest desires of chewing on meat.

/ Mrs Fingerbottom
// err, Featherbottom.
/// I've made a huge mistake.
 
2012-09-21 01:34:26 AM

Farker Soze: simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female)...
Cool, except that Eve was woman 2.0. Version 1.0 was Lilith..

Eve was 3.0. 2 was an unnamed creation, created from inside out, first bones, then organs, muscles, and finally skin. Adam watched and was revolted and wouldn't touch her. So God uncreated her into oblivion, put him to sleep this time and made Eve from his rib.


So, Eve ME? Eve 1.5?
 
2012-09-21 01:42:47 AM
I blame Rick Perry on Satan.
 
2012-09-21 02:42:14 AM
They don't make a violin small enough.....
 
2012-09-21 02:49:59 AM
Is Rick Perry developmentally disabled?
 
2012-09-21 03:00:55 AM

Harry_Seldon: Is Rick Perry developmentally disabled?


That's what I thought when I saw that very unfortunate clip from the debate in the primaries when he completely forgot the contents of his all-important list of agencies he planned to scrap. The other candidates, helpfully suggesting options, Perry's brain completely failing to work.
 
2012-09-21 03:03:04 AM
Actually, the real lie from Satan is that Satan has power. The conservative christian sect worships Satan because it absolves them from wrongdoing. After all, what better excuse does one have for sin than "Satan made me do it?" I've sinned quite often, and Satan has had little to do with it. At the risk of being an asshole, I'd like to quote Tyler Perry, "I can do bad all by myself." I don't need Satan to sin.

The main objective of conservative christians (notice how I've twice used the lowercase) is a feeling of moral superiority over their fellow human beings. They want to ride their high horse off into the sunset. They want to believe that saying Jesus makes them better than the rest of us.
 
2012-09-21 03:06:06 AM

pion: Actually, the real lie from Satan is that Satan has power. The conservative christian sect worships Satan because it absolves them from wrongdoing. After all, what better excuse does one have for sin than "Satan made me do it?" I've sinned quite often, and Satan has had little to do with it. At the risk of being an asshole, I'd like to quote Tyler Perry, "I can do bad all by myself." I don't need Satan to sin.

The main objective of conservative christians (notice how I've twice used the lowercase) is a feeling of moral superiority over their fellow human beings. They want to ride their high horse off into the sunset. They want to believe that saying Jesus makes them better than the rest of us.


Although now a very satisfied atheist, I attended a very moderate Anglican (aka Episcopalian) church in my youth. They were very non-judgemental, welcomed gay folks etc. Nice place. They totally rejected the existance of hell and satan.
 
2012-09-21 04:18:38 AM

simplicimus: I already apologized. Up thread.


What the heck to you want from me?! I'm doing my best to pay attention to the thread, I can't handle the added stress of having to refresh before I post!
 
2012-09-21 04:42:29 AM

Aussie_As: pion: Actually, the real lie from Satan is that Satan has power. The conservative christian sect worships Satan because it absolves them from wrongdoing. After all, what better excuse does one have for sin than "Satan made me do it?" I've sinned quite often, and Satan has had little to do with it. At the risk of being an asshole, I'd like to quote Tyler Perry, "I can do bad all by myself." I don't need Satan to sin.

The main objective of conservative christians (notice how I've twice used the lowercase) is a feeling of moral superiority over their fellow human beings. They want to ride their high horse off into the sunset. They want to believe that saying Jesus makes them better than the rest of us.

Although now a very satisfied atheist, I attended a very moderate Anglican (aka Episcopalian) church in my youth. They were very non-judgemental, welcomed gay folks etc. Nice place. They totally rejected the existance of hell and satan.


Same for me with a Catholic church back in the day. They also rejected the idea of Hell and Satan. I occasionally drop by there now and then to say hi. Good peeps.

While I'm also an atheist, sometimes I think some atheists forget that many religious people can be very reasonable. That, or I just read too much into the amount of people who troll here, and most atheists realize that and I get the impression they don't because of bored Farkers. :D
 
2012-09-21 07:29:10 AM

Gordon Bennett: Silly Jesus: Being religious should automatically disqualify one from holding public office.

Rubbish. "Being religious" on its own doesn't mean a thing in regards to a person's character or what could be expected of him or her in office. If someone openly supports a theocracy then yes, I would certainly agree that that person is unsuitable to serve in a secular government but to extend that to anyone with religious beliefs at all is monstrous and absurd.

There are all sorts of religious people, many of whom are perfectly capable of separating their private, personal beliefs from their public duty. I am reminded of an interview that I once read with Geraldine Ferraro in which she was asked why she, as a devout Catholic who personally believes that abortion is morally wrong consistently voted pro-choice.

Her answer was that the district who elected her to office was strongly pro-choice, and it was her job as their representative to vote their interests above her own. It's rather unfortunate that integrity in politics has become so unheard of that any example of it beggars belief, but it can exist and you don't have to be an atheist to have it.

/atheist. not that it should matter to the discussion


I am requoting you for emphasis, and to add that for me if someone is ordained clergy (Priest,
Minister, Rabbi, Imam, etc) then they should be disqualified for holding office because they have
already sworn an oath to a uphold a creed that would (if they are a good clergyperson) supersede
their oath of office. As the bible said, you cannot serve 2 masters, and if someone is in government
I want them to put their duties to the people they govern above their duties as a sectarian.

I have no problem with a person's religion informing the excercise of their moral choices; I have
a big problem with a person using their religion to inform MY moral choices.
 
2012-09-21 09:07:42 AM

fusillade762: Thomas Jefferson is Satan?

People with views like this should not be allowed anywhere near levers of power sharp objects.


FTFY
 
2012-09-21 09:47:02 AM

namatad: But it is crystal clear that the tards who claim to know the mind of god are delusional.


*raises hand* I... I know the Mind of God, at least partially.

It's writ large all across the universe. In every event which we perceive, the Mind (perhaps the Word) is there, obvious to all who can see.

You see, 2+2 is ALWAYS 4. The cube root of 27 is ALWAYS 3. Without fail. Every time. EVERY TIME. If omnipotence exists, it most certainly has dictated that the ruleset we know as mathematics is trump, irresistible in effect and omniscient in its ability to account for every related variable.

Math is the OS of reality. That HAS to be the will of any existing God.

Now that you know my Canon, and I have told you that I know (at least partially) the mind of God do you think I should be denigrated as a fool for my religious beliefs?
 
2012-09-21 11:17:58 AM

vernonFL: Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?


No, because that's Vodun and Neo-Paganism, the second of which is my religion, so kindly STFU.

/You just managed to insult two religions by aiming at one that both groups have a long history of turmoil with. That's actually pretty frickin' impressive.
//Seriously, what the hell made you think Vodun or Neo-Paganism supports separation of church and state?
 
2012-09-21 11:35:13 AM

neomunk: namatad: But it is crystal clear that the tards who claim to know the mind of god are delusional.

*raises hand* I... I know the Mind of God, at least partially.

It's writ large all across the universe. In every event which we perceive, the Mind (perhaps the Word) is there, obvious to all who can see.

You see, 2+2 is ALWAYS 4. The cube root of 27 is ALWAYS 3. Without fail. Every time. EVERY TIME. If omnipotence exists, it most certainly has dictated that the ruleset we know as mathematics is trump, irresistible in effect and omniscient in its ability to account for every related variable.



Wait 'til God starts dicking with floating point numbers.
 
2012-09-21 11:45:02 AM
what's happened to his neck??
 
2012-09-21 12:15:11 PM

neomunk: namatad: But it is crystal clear that the tards who claim to know the mind of god are delusional.

*raises hand* I... I know the Mind of God, at least partially.

It's writ large all across the universe. In every event which we perceive, the Mind (perhaps the Word) is there, obvious to all who can see.

You see, 2+2 is ALWAYS 4. The cube root of 27 is ALWAYS 3. Without fail. Every time. EVERY TIME. If omnipotence exists, it most certainly has dictated that the ruleset we know as mathematics is trump, irresistible in effect and omniscient in its ability to account for every related variable.

Math is the OS of reality. That HAS to be the will of any existing God.

Now that you know my Canon, and I have told you that I know (at least partially) the mind of God do you think I should be denigrated as a fool for my religious beliefs?


I do. You think you are making an unassailable argument because you busted out MATH!(trumpet fanfare!) but all you are really doing is pointing out something that exists, making an assumption that god exists, and then saying that the thing which exists is there by the will of god and thus you partially know his will.

You could replace MATH (trumpet fanfare!) with any other observable reality and your argument would be no different. Imagine the most different reality from what we have, one in which even math doesn't fit the magic you attribute to it. The existence of a constant isn't proof of god. You are saying "how could a constant come from nothing?" is no different than "how could the universe come from nothing without god?" and is furthermore no different than "was god always here, or did god come from nothing"? It's the same philosophically impossible to answer question, you've just skipped thinking about it by saying "all that tough to think about stuff is god. Done and done, what's for dinner?"
 
2012-09-21 12:39:14 PM

Smackledorfer: neomunk: namatad: But it is crystal clear that the tards who claim to know the mind of god are delusional.

*raises hand* I... I know the Mind of God, at least partially.

It's writ large all across the universe. In every event which we perceive, the Mind (perhaps the Word) is there, obvious to all who can see.

You see, 2+2 is ALWAYS 4. The cube root of 27 is ALWAYS 3. Without fail. Every time. EVERY TIME. If omnipotence exists, it most certainly has dictated that the ruleset we know as mathematics is trump, irresistible in effect and omniscient in its ability to account for every related variable.

Math is the OS of reality. That HAS to be the will of any existing God.

Now that you know my Canon, and I have told you that I know (at least partially) the mind of God do you think I should be denigrated as a fool for my religious beliefs?

I do. You think you are making an unassailable argument because you busted out MATH!(trumpet fanfare!) but all you are really doing is pointing out something that exists, making an assumption that god exists, and then saying that the thing which exists is there by the will of god and thus you partially know his will.

You could replace MATH (trumpet fanfare!) with any other observable reality and your argument would be no different. Imagine the most different reality from what we have, one in which even math doesn't fit the magic you attribute to it. The existence of a constant isn't proof of god. You are saying "how could a constant come from nothing?" is no different than "how could the universe come from nothing without god?" and is furthermore no different than "was god always here, or did god come from nothing"? It's the same philosophically impossible to answer question, you've just skipped thinking about it by saying "all that tough to think about stuff is god. Done and done, what's for dinner?"


You're REALLY wanting me to believe something that I didn't say I did. The conversation I jumped into was, as I saw it, something like "I don't have problems when people believe in God, I have problems when people say they know what God thinks". I responded in a manor to suggest that if there IS in omnipotent being then at least one aspect of that beings thought process could be known. I never claimed that math was proof of God. I don't believe math IS proof of God, but I do believe that it disproves certain talking points about Him/Her/It.

Do you understand that?

Also, I take issue with the "(trumpet fanfare!)" little cracks you issued. Are you so farking jaded as to not be able to properly attribute Greatness and indeed Perfection when you see it without having to show how supercool you are by showing contempt for that very Perfection? The ONLY true Perfection as yet found in all of reality? Do you know of anything better deserving of the fanfare and trumpets you so snidely refer to?

So now that I've torn down that strawman for you, anything else this fool can help you with?
 
2012-09-21 01:53:30 PM
And this guy is what passes off as a LEADER in your country? Holy shiat you guys are in trouble.
 
2012-09-21 02:00:14 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. [...]


Awesomesauce. Favorited.
 
2012-09-21 02:29:10 PM

neomunk: You're REALLY wanting me to believe something that I didn't say I did. The conversation I jumped into was, as I saw it, something like "I don't have problems when people believe in God, I have problems when people say they know what God thinks". I responded in a manor to suggest that if there IS in omnipotent being then at least one aspect of that beings thought process could be known. I never claimed that math was proof of God. I don't believe math IS proof of God, but I do believe that it disproves certain talking points about Him/Her/It.

Do you understand that?

Also, I take issue with the "(trumpet fanfare!)" little cracks you issued. Are you so farking jaded as to not be able to properly attribute Greatness and indeed Perfection when you see it without having to show how supercool you are by showing contempt for that very Perfection? The ONLY true Perfection as yet found in all of reality? Do you know of anything better deserving of the fanfare and trumpets you so snidely refer to?

So now that I've torn down that strawman for you, anything else this fool can help you with?


All I did was say that you could replace "math" in your post, with any other observable reality.

neomunk: Math is the OS of reality. That HAS to be the will of any existing God.


[Blank] exists. God made everything, therefore [blank] has to be the will of any existing god. Provided god is the all knowing and all powerful creator of the universe, then everything that exists is his will. If he is not the all knowing and all powerful creator, then you cannot be sure that math is his will.

So yes, I put a fanfare after math, because you used it as though it were special. Math is certainly math, but it is not evidence of god anymore than a giraffe is. God is god, and he is as responsible for a giraffe as he is for math. You've proven that my fanfare was apt, as you then went on to jerk off to it for a paragraph, including random capitalization.

For a guy so in love with math, you certainly seem to have a poor grasp of basic logic.
 
2012-09-21 04:08:45 PM

neomunk: namatad: But it is crystal clear that the tards who claim to know the mind of god are delusional.

*raises hand* I... I know the Mind of God, at least partially.

It's writ large all across the universe. In every event which we perceive, the Mind (perhaps the Word) is there, obvious to all who can see.

You see, 2+2 is ALWAYS 4. The cube root of 27 is ALWAYS 3. Without fail. Every time. EVERY TIME. If omnipotence exists, it most certainly has dictated that the ruleset we know as mathematics is trump, irresistible in effect and omniscient in its ability to account for every related variable.

Math is the OS of reality. That HAS to be the will of any existing God.

Now that you know my Canon, and I have told you that I know (at least partially) the mind of God do you think I should be denigrated as a fool for my religious beliefs?


I've seen this movie!

www.filmmakermagazine.com

"11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature."
 
2012-09-21 04:11:32 PM
Texas Tag?
 
2012-09-21 04:16:39 PM

Smackledorfer: So yes, I put a fanfare after math, because you used it as though it were special.


To be fair, math is kinda special, in that it can be (and is) used to actually describe the physical universe around us and all of its features and forces... It's not the same as talking about a "giraffe", as you said... It's talking about a fundamental abstract concept which can and does represent the entire universe... There's not really anything else you can point to that's quite the same...

Of course, it really has nothing to do with any "god", either... It's a man-made invention, and it works to describe the universe because we lowly humans figure out the proper formulae to make it do so... It's cool and all, but it's not god, or god's mind, or even "the OS of the universe"; it's just a really powerful abstract language we've developed...
 
2012-09-21 04:25:54 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Weaver95:
for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'. I think the pagans are closer to figuring it out - there's a bunch of gods and spirits and the spirit world is just as muddied as this world.

also, satan' (or lucifer if you'd prefer) seems to have been more of a job description and less of an actual rebellious angel (although there might have been more than a few of those kicking around).

I've been reading too many political threads. My brain first registered this as "job creator". 
The "Minor God rebelling against Major God(s)" is one of my favorite stories in myths, and as I said in another Satan/Lucifer thread I see most of Christian myths as not-so-subtle rip-offs of Greek (Roman) mythology.

Lucifer is right up there with Prometheus in my book. Hell, he's probably the same guy.


Well, "Lucifer" means "light-bringer", and Prometheus brought mankind light in the form of fire - plus both were punished for showing mankind something being withheld by God/Zeus (the knowledge of fire, and the knowledge of good and evil).

Then there's the parallels between Pandora and Eve...
 
2012-09-21 04:38:52 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-21 04:42:42 PM

HAMMERTOE: Weaver95: I still trip up over the concept of free will. we're supposed to have free will...but according to most christian sects, we have to be mindlessly obedient to a central religious authority or we won't get into heaven when we die. what's the point of free will then? seems needlessly sadistic.

Even better: Doesn't "God" have free will too? Didn't he "choose" to leave two relative "toddlers" (morally and intellectually speaking,) alone with an agent of then devil? Who let the Serpent into Paradise? At best, "God" is nothing better than a negligent parent. At worst, an abusive, negligent parent, for when he discovered the results of his neglect, he banished them from Paradise, as well as all of their descendants as well. So, not only an abusive, negligent parent, but a vain, irresponsible, petty, abusive, negligent parent.

Personally, I expect more from a deity that desires my love and worship. These aren't the actions of a kind and loving god, they're the actions of an office temp with a bad attitude.

George was right.


Pretty much THAT. If God exists, then he's a major dick.

"Oh hey, Adam and Eve - not only am I punishing you for your sins, but I'm punishing your kids and their kids for your sins, even though that don't exist yet and had f*ck-all to do with disobeying me. Have fun with that toiling and painful childbirth thing! Bye"
 
2012-09-21 04:47:10 PM

happydude45: This is pretty sweet

[weaselzippers.us image 455x614]


He misspelled "George W, Bush" as "Barack Obama".
 
2012-09-21 04:51:19 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: God-is-a-Taco: Weaver95:
for what its worth, I don't think there IS 'one true god'. I think the pagans are closer to figuring it out - there's a bunch of gods and spirits and the spirit world is just as muddied as this world.

also, satan' (or lucifer if you'd prefer) seems to have been more of a job description and less of an actual rebellious angel (although there might have been more than a few of those kicking around).

I've been reading too many political threads. My brain first registered this as "job creator". 
The "Minor God rebelling against Major God(s)" is one of my favorite stories in myths, and as I said in another Satan/Lucifer thread I see most of Christian myths as not-so-subtle rip-offs of Greek (Roman) mythology.

Lucifer is right up there with Prometheus in my book. Hell, he's probably the same guy.

Well, "Lucifer" means "light-bringer", and Prometheus brought mankind light in the form of fire - plus both were punished for showing mankind something being withheld by God/Zeus (the knowledge of fire, and the knowledge of good and evil).

Then there's the parallels between Pandora and Eve...


Pandora has always intrigued me. Is hope the final curse?
 
2012-09-21 06:22:31 PM

bmfderek: LobsterSausage: I'll bet if you pointed out to ol' Rick that the very same sentiments of being a "soldier" or "warrior" for his religion are the same as radical Muslims, he'd have a conniption and fart kittens.

/I tell ya, some people's kids...

Have you ever gone a week without a good rationalization?


blog.pawshpal.com
 
2012-09-21 06:27:24 PM
The thing about a belief in Satan is it makes all the tough questions really easy.

Who's dog crapped on my lawn? Satan.
Who pissed in my shoe? Satan.
Who is responsible for this fiasco we call the GOP? Satan.

We believe in Satan and we never have to take responsibility for anything.
 
2012-09-21 07:00:47 PM

Bucky Katt: I blame Rick Perry on Satan.


I blame Satan on Rick Perry.
 
2012-09-22 12:19:52 AM

thamike: John Buck 41: Frontrunner?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

Early on in the primaries, he was polling the highest. Then he forgot what the third thing was and started speaking in tongues.


I think it was his idea of bringing the troops back to Iraq to "complete the mission" that did him in. The day after he said that he got 1% in New Hampshire.
 
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