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2012-09-20 09:59:18 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Don't blink, you might miss it when Rick Perry actually does something awesome for a change.


Unless it's Seppuku, I don't care.
 
2012-09-20 09:59:21 PM  
Perry's pick for US Senate lost in the Republican primary to an extremist, heavily financed "Tea Party Favorite©" so it's confusing which Satan he's talking about.

That Tea Party was invented to replace the Christian Coalition which lost all non-profit status in almost every state but Texas due to partisan politics. The Tea Party was to be a secular version.

As to unseparation of church and state, there are four religions in the US at least that have practical experience in being the state religion and Perry's evangelical non-aligned slippery theology outfits are not one.  Is he shopping for Roman Catholic (was Texas official religion until 1836), Anglican, Islam or Othodox Judaism? Maybe Buddhist, Zoroastrian, whatever. If you're going to govern by religion, you need a religion with experience, you can't just do it by faith.
 
2012-09-20 09:59:58 PM  
To err is human, but Rick Perry is asinine.
 
2012-09-20 10:02:11 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Religion sucks. Government sucks. Together they make a ultra-vortex of suck. Imagine if you will, a musical duet of Rebecca Black and Creed.

It is that level of suck.


With or without Auto-tune?
 
2012-09-20 10:02:13 PM  
It will be great when all the idiots like him finally die off.

And it will happen.
 
2012-09-20 10:03:49 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Personally, I expect more from a deity that desires my love and worship. These aren't the actions of a kind and loving god, they're the actions of an office temp with a bad attitude.


Not sure which Christian heresy it was... probably several flavors...

Their idea was that in Genesis "God" is the villain who keeps human like pets in ignorance and the serpent is the hero, and the one who should be worshiped for giving humans reason and free will.
 
2012-09-20 10:04:03 PM  
Rick Perry is the Hitler of good ideas.
 
2012-09-20 10:04:05 PM  
Wait a second here.

My understanding of the Founding Fathers (acquired solely from information provided by the hard right, of course) is that they were all devout Christians and intended for this to be a Christian nation under Biblical Law. Right?

But now Rick Perry says that what they wrote is Of The Devil.

Is this what those horrible, awful, no-good liberals call cognitive dissonance?
 
2012-09-20 10:09:36 PM  
You know, Rick Perry sometimes gets a bum rape.
 
2012-09-20 10:17:26 PM  
Dear God what an idiot. He's an embarrassment to Texas and to all Christians who have two brain cells to rub together.

/I move we recall this waste of protoplasm. Do I hear a second?
 
2012-09-20 10:17:30 PM  
Because being free from being forced at the end of a gun to pray to Supply Side JAY-ZUSS! is a sure sign of demonic possession.
 
2012-09-20 10:18:57 PM  

vernonFL: Does Rick Perry believe in Voodoo dolls, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, and other nonsense?


Absolutly. They are witchcraft, made by the devil to trick them into worshiping false gods.
 
2012-09-20 10:19:20 PM  
Why we need a Separation of Church and State:

www.inquisition-art.net
 
2012-09-20 10:22:23 PM  
oh don't be so quick to write off the separation of church and state, rick

it allows your churches to still denigrate homos and their ilk.
 
2012-09-20 10:25:56 PM  
Rick Perry and I have some things in common. For instance, I have an ass hole and he is one.
 
2012-09-20 10:26:09 PM  
When all else fails, blame Satan. It's the Xian way.
 
2012-09-20 10:26:56 PM  
Once, the Romans fed Christians to lions.

Later, this practice fell into decline. So did Rome.

Coincidence? I think NOT.
 
2012-09-20 10:27:22 PM  
The truly scary thing is there are enough idiots out there to vote him into office.
 
2012-09-20 10:28:54 PM  

EatTheWorld: Weaver95: you cannot scrub the Jesus out of the Republicans no matter how hard you try

we could try? if we put Perry, Bachman, Akin, Santorum, and all their batshiat crazy friends on a boat to Fiji, I know that would be a good start.


What did Fiji ever do to you!?
 
2012-09-20 10:30:48 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: HAMMERTOE: Personally, I expect more from a deity that desires my love and worship. These aren't the actions of a kind and loving god, they're the actions of an office temp with a bad attitude.

Not sure which Christian heresy it was... probably several flavors...

Their idea was that in Genesis "God" is the villain who keeps human like pets in ignorance and the serpent is the hero, and the one who should be worshiped for giving humans reason and free will.


Actually, a Deist said that. I read it recently, but can't find it right now.
 
2012-09-20 10:41:02 PM  

Weaver95: I love this attitude. 'all you people are assholes for demanding that I follow your belief system...so i'm going to demand that you follow MY belief system or I'll call you stupid!'

you might want to take a step back and reconsider your worldview. while I certainly don't agree with atheists (I think *something* is out there), I wholeheartedly agree that atheists have a right to exist, hold public office and generally live their lives as they see fit without interference from anyone over their non-beliefs. All most people want is the same sort of consideration in return....and that includes telling snotty atheists to STFU about how superior they are over anyone who believes in a god (or gods)


I don't want to be snotty, but I'm more or less with umad. I don't understand religion,. I don't understand why people are religious. I do understand that most religious people are not mentally ill. I understand that someone can have religious beliefs and still drive a car. I'd be willing to let a religious surgeon perform heart surgery on me if I needed it. Religious people are not crazy in a way that compromises their ability to live and perform tasks in the real world. But still, I don't get it. I have a really, really hard time understanding how somebody can be capable of driving a car or performing surgery, and still believe that there were talking snakes in the Garden of Eden. How can someone reconcile even the remotest respect for the importance of evidence with the simultaneous belief that there are angels flying around, or that devils and gods and genies (for Muslims) and resurrections and virgin births and magic Earth-covering floods are real things? Basically it disturbs the sh*t out of me that people believe these things. I understand that my religious friends and family members aren't (all) insane. But that sane people believe in angels and talking snakes freaks me right the f*ck out. 

Any religious person who criticizes Mormons or Scientologists on the basis that they believe crazy things has to have a profound capacity for cognitive dissonance.
 
2012-09-20 10:45:05 PM  

EatTheWorld: and ya, if they NEED the government for all that in perpetuity, then them voting to cut that net will never happen. And it seems clear that is the way democrats want it. Therefore the liberal religion is born.


except you're pulling shiat out of your ass. according to official federal welfare statistics 99% of people who are on federal assistance are on it for once in their life for less than six months.


but don't let facts get in the way of your mythology
 
2012-09-20 10:46:22 PM  

Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.


Truth is none of them care what they believe, they'll believe whatever someone in authority tells them to. It's the worship of power and especially the power to compel others to believe.
 
2012-09-20 10:46:38 PM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-20 10:47:40 PM  
Hmm, could this desire for a theocracy be less because they want to "spread the Good News" and more about wanting the government to bestow power upon them because obviously the power of prayer isn't working?
 
2012-09-20 10:51:34 PM  

Hickory-smoked: AssAsInAssassin: FlashHarry: Diogenes: The funniest thing about these jerks is that they don't realize (or deliberately choose not to, which is much worse) that the separation clause is there to protect them as much as it is to protect our form of governance. It's a two-way street.

no shiat: "or prohibit the free exercise thereof."

I hope you're not serious, but on the off chance that you are...

Uh, the previous two posters were agreeing with each other.


Sorry, my irony detector is broken. I see so many fundies who honestly believe that "freedom of religion" means they get to inflict their dogma onto everyone else. Forgive me for not recognizing the sympathetic nature of the Farker's post. Poe's Law strikes again.
 
2012-09-20 10:54:45 PM  

EatTheWorld: Weaver95: Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.

I agree. But just for funs sake, couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb, with topside government health care, food stamps, EIC, retirement, you know, kinda of like all of our real need? health, food, money, and oldfart worry free. Not that I'm saying government is good at any of these things, but they try, and mean well. To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you. Worse than religion actually.


Do you know of any country on earth that supplies everything for its citizens?

Even Norwegians and Swedes who may have the best welfare system in the world hold down jobs and earn money. The state provides certain basic services such as healthcare but free / subsidized food and shelter are only provided to the poor. You can argue that the lazy can also obtain free food and shelter but it is not exactly luxurious - if you want more than the very basic you need to work.

To look at it another way, does the US government own you because it builds roads, public hospitals, public schools and provides defense and emergency services? No of course not. You in fact own the government.

So I think your argument is not valid.
 
2012-09-20 10:59:43 PM  

Mugato: Satan really gets a bad rap. Unlike God, there's nothing in the Bible about Satan committing genocide or killing children. All he's really accused of is hiding fossils and giving an apple to a naked chick.


I lol'd so hard I snorted! Thanks!

/I'm Christian just in case you were curious...
 
2012-09-20 11:08:26 PM  
I'm from Texas and I sincerely apologize to everyone for Mr. Perry.

He's what we call "a slow learner" and we do what we can to make sure he's happy here. Unfortunately sometimes he speaks...and well, we don't really pay much attention to him and neither should you, bless his heart.
 
2012-09-20 11:13:13 PM  

FlashHarry: what an epic moron.


Done.
One.

/Is everyone with an (R) nucking futts? Or is it just politicians in general?
 
2012-09-20 11:17:56 PM  
Can we all agree to stop voting for people like this?
 
2012-09-20 11:23:30 PM  

sethen320: I'm from Texas and I sincerely apologize to everyone for Mr. Perry.


No. The rural and 1%er douchenozzles keep voting this Cock Punch back into office. We need us some term limits, if only to get Gov. Goodhair out of Austin permanently.
i651.photobucket.com

The moment he secedes, I hope the US gives him the Sherman Treatment.
 
2012-09-20 11:26:41 PM  
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],-and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Treaty of Tripoli, fark you christian nationers.
 
2012-09-20 11:30:33 PM  
FTFA: "Satan runs across the world with his doubt and with his untruths and what have you and one of the untruths out there that is driven is that people of faith should not be involved in the public arena,"

I'm a person of faith myself and I think that's just not right. It's not that people of faith shouldn't be involved in the public arena. They should. America's supposed to be about democracy. However, the problem comes in when people of faith want to impose their faith on people that don't believe it. Such as this gay marriage issue.

I have no issue with your church being against gay marriage on a spiritual level. You have the right to decide what your church teaches. If you want to prevent gay people from getting married in your church, that's your prerogative. But when it's about civil marriage, which is supposed to be secular, I have an issue with that. Then it's you imposing your beliefs on people outside your faith. Which I think is wrong.

It's little different than if Jews (and possibly Muslims as well) used their political clout to make pork illegal for everyone because their religion forbids it.

If you want to blame the separation of church and state on someone, blame Jefferson...not Satan. It was his belief and idea. The phrase itself comes from him. He was not a Christian (in the religious sense), but a deist that thought Jesus had some great ideas.

He was a proponent of secularism. Why? Because no one religion should influence the government. (Or back then, it was more of an issue of no one Christian denomination should influence the government.)

If you want to be Christian, that's awesome! Be Christian. It's a free country. But you being Christian shouldn't affect your neighbor over there who is atheist. You shouldn't make laws that restrict his or her freedom to be an atheist. It's not fair to them. Nor should they be able to ban religion from the public discourse (if they were so inclined).

There's no reason why atheists and Christians can't learn to live together. Just keep the laws secular and fair so that neither the believer nor the disbeliever is prevented from living their life. Don't impose your beliefs or lack thereof upon your neighbor and things work out. Mutual respect. Treat others the way you'd want to be treated. Why is that so difficult?
 
2012-09-20 11:32:07 PM  
Pssst.... Mr. Perry. Satan isn't real and you are a nutcase.
 
2012-09-20 11:34:56 PM  
So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female).

Then God tells man and woman to never, EVER touch this one tree that he decided to stick right in the center of the garden within easy reach. One day, while off taking a nap or something, God completely misses Satan waltzing in and telling woman it's okay to eat from that one special tree (not knowing right and wrong, she and man had no way of knowing it was wrong to eat from it). Then God wakes up or finishes his raid on Onyxia or whatever, wonders where the humans went, and when he finds them and finds out about the tree, he completely loses his shiat and curses the entirety of creation to punish the two humans and all of their descendents. That's like you coming home to find your two-year-old got into the cookie jar, so you nuke the entire world and toss your toddler out into it to fend for himself.

From then on, it's like a horror show: God gets so emo about humans not kowtowing to him that he nearly destroys all of creation; God constantly screws with Pharaoh so he can keep torturing Egypt; God utterly destroys a man's life in a bet with Satan when he could have just waved his hand and made Satan implode or turn into a gecko; God annihilates two cities because the inhabitants are fun-loving live-for-life people, then turns the wife of the only surviving family into salt for turning around; God slaughers a bunch of children with bears for the crime of calling someone "baldy"; God demands an old man sacrifice his only son as a test of faith (would an all-knowing being really need to do something like this?); on and on and on.

Then one day, he decides that he'll finally do something about his little cursing and punishing way back when, except instea dof just snapping his fingers and making it all better, he creates this bizarre and convoluted plan where a piece of him goes down to a woman, is born mortal, lives for a while, is brutally tortured and killed, then returns to him, and somehow that forgives mankind of his sins (except it doesn't). Then he completely vanishes and for the last 2,000 years his only works are making vague images of his son and his mother appear on toast and in paint.

Oh, and one day God will destroy the universe and take a small fraction of humanity to paradise while the rest suffer in indescribable torment for the rest of infinity.

Uwe Boll movies are less convoluted and more believeable.
 
2012-09-20 11:36:11 PM  
politicalmadness.org

/ image pops to host
 
2012-09-20 11:41:23 PM  

yourmomlovestetris: Oh? And how would you define "religious?" What if someone holds onto a socio-political idoloegy which functions just like a religion but doesn't involve the worship of a god?


That's called a life stance. Atheism per se is not a life stance, but secularism and humanism (and secular humanism) are. Often when people say "atheism" they really mean secularism, or secular humanism, or something that may include atheism.
 
2012-09-20 11:42:22 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: EatTheWorld: Weaver95: Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.

I agree. But just for funs sake, couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb, with topside government health care, food stamps, EIC, retirement, you know, kinda of like all of our real need? health, food, money, and oldfart worry free. Not that I'm saying government is good at any of these things, but they try, and mean well. To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you. Worse than religion actually.

Religion sucks. Government sucks. Together they make a ultra-vortex of suck. Imagine if you will, a musical duet of Rebecca Black and Creed.

It is that level of suck.


I'll say, the mental image sucked out all of my will to live.

*BAM* 
 
2012-09-20 11:42:44 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female)...

Cool, except that Eve was woman 2.0. Version 1.0 was Lilith..
 
2012-09-20 11:55:06 PM  

simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female)...
Cool, except that Eve was woman 2.0. Version 1.0 was Lilith..


Who refused to be dominated during sex and was tossed out of the garden by God, then ran off and humped demons.
 
2012-09-20 11:58:14 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female)...
Cool, except that Eve was woman 2.0. Version 1.0 was Lilith..

Who refused to be dominated during sex and was tossed out of the garden by God, then ran off and humped demons.


Well, everyone has a hobby.
 
2012-09-21 12:04:27 AM  

EatTheWorld: Weaver95: Theocracy is bad. I don't care what god you worship (or don't worship), any theocratic government is bad. I won't vote for it, and in fact i'll fight against it. the Founding Fathers were very smart folks. they knew that a theocratic form of government was a terrible idea, and took steps to make sure the US government wasn't infected by a state sponsored religion.

I agree. But just for funs sake, couldn't we say a government that cradles us from outside the womb to tomb, with topside government health care, food stamps, EIC, retirement, you know, kinda of like all of our real need? health, food, money, and oldfart worry free. Not that I'm saying government is good at any of these things, but they try, and mean well. To me that is a religion to the state. When the government has all that control on your food, health and money, they control you. Worse than religion actually.


Wow.. that's the kind of "logic" that brought us intelligent design. Take something that makes perfect sense (Theocracy: Bad), put it through the religiopretzelometer (Yeah, but Social Security equals Theocracy), and viola! My brain bleeds.

You guys are, like, really good at that!
 
2012-09-21 12:04:38 AM  

Sergeant Grumbles: HAMMERTOE: Personally, I expect more from a deity that desires my love and worship. These aren't the actions of a kind and loving god, they're the actions of an office temp with a bad attitude.

Not sure which Christian heresy it was... probably several flavors...

Their idea was that in Genesis "God" is the villain who keeps human like pets in ignorance and the serpent is the hero, and the one who should be worshiped for giving humans reason and free will.


There was an early branch of Christianity that believed that the god of the Old Testament and the god of the New Testament were two different gods opposed to each other. It was called Marcionism. I can't help but wonder sometimes if it doesn't make more sense than what most Christians believe today.
 
2012-09-21 12:12:07 AM  
"Satan runs across the world with his doubt and with his untruths and what have you and one of the untruths out there that is driven is that people of faith should not be involved in the public arena,"

What bizarro-planet does this guy live on? On this planet, one must pass the religiosity-test to even THINK of getting elected in this country.

I think this is in order: 

i628.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-21 12:13:01 AM  

happydude45: This is pretty sweet

[weaselzippers.us image 455x614]


The national debt was $0 when President Obama took office?
 
2012-09-21 12:14:18 AM  

LobsterSausage: I'll bet if you pointed out to ol' Rick that the very same sentiments of being a "soldier" or "warrior" for his religion are the same as radical Muslims, he'd have a conniption and fart kittens.

/I tell ya, some people's kids...


Have you ever gone a week without a good rationalization?
 
2012-09-21 12:14:43 AM  

simplicimus: Keizer_Ghidorah: So, this God guy, he creates all of existence in 6 days. And he creates all loving things from the dust of the earth except for the human woman, which for some reason he takes a rib from man and makes her from it. Sounds like that's saying women are the property of men and are lesser beings, since they were made from existing man and not from the dust (and before he created woman God, the all-knowing one, had to ask why man was so sad and lonely as he walked alone among creatures who had male and female)...
Cool, except that Eve was woman 2.0. Version 1.0 was Lilith..


Eve was 3.0. 2 was an unnamed creation, created from inside out, first bones, then organs, muscles, and finally skin. Adam watched and was revolted and wouldn't touch her. So God uncreated her into oblivion, put him to sleep this time and made Eve from his rib.
 
2012-09-21 12:32:30 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Then God wakes up or finishes his raid on Onyxia or whatever


HA
 
2012-09-21 12:35:09 AM  
Look Perry you a-hole, are you telling me my 98-year old gramsy is a saaaatanist cuz she is on Social Security!?

Because them's fightin' words.
 
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