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2012-09-20 03:47:39 PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen. I am just a simple caveman. Sure I may look like people jerky but in my time personal hygeine consisted of not using the hand you wipe with to eat. Your soap and manscaping confuse and frighten me..,
 
2012-09-20 04:10:59 PM
has provided archaeologists with a fount of knowledge in better understanding the lives of European cavemen,

I got as far as that and simply couldn't continue

By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."
 
2012-09-20 04:59:42 PM

FloydA: By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."


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Also, I did not know they had found Neanderthal DNA in his, that is actually fascinating.
 
2012-09-20 05:10:00 PM
As Ötzi died from an arrow shot in his back, scientists have conjectured that he was possibly killed by a member of a rival tribe, or may have even been murdered.

Maybe he was just part of Secret Service v1.0? Taking an arrow for the Pres.?
 
2012-09-20 05:10:24 PM
His name sounds like club music.

/Ötzi Ötzi Ötzi Ötzi Ötzi Ötzi Ötzi Ötzi Ötzi
 
2012-09-20 05:10:53 PM
Looks like he died from snu-snu.

i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-20 05:14:33 PM

Ennuipoet:

Also, I did not know they had found Neanderthal DNA in his, that is actually fascinating.


That is an extremely controversial claim. A lot of the popular science articles have been seriously distorting what we know about "neandertal DNA." In reality, a lot of what has been called "neandertal DNA" is probably more accurately described as "Homo ergaster DNA" that was retained, to different degrees, in different populations of Pleistocene hominins. The geographic distribution of the genes isn't really consistent with what we would expect if the alleles originated in Europe/SW Asia, and the sample sizes that detected the distributions were, in my opinion at least, woefully inadequate.

It doesn't surprise me much that Ötzi would have more of those archaic genes than many living people, but the "neandertal hybrid" hypothesis is still at the "intriguing but not yet convincing" stage. If you start with the conclusion, you can make the evidence fit, but if you start from the evidence, hybridization is only one of several possible explanations.

(Don't get me wrong- I'm sure our ancestors tried to mate with neandertals. I know enough about human males to be certain that they tried. I'm just not convinced that there were any successful hybrids.)
 
2012-09-20 05:14:44 PM

FloydA: has provided archaeologists with a fount of knowledge in better understanding the lives of European cavemen,

I got as far as that and simply couldn't continue

By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."


Good point. 5,300 years is only 800 years more than the Pyramids/Sphinx are roughly dated(2,500 BC, if I remember correctly), and I think they have some there that are a few hundred years older than that, so to go from "caveman" to pyramids in 800 years is just silly.

I took just a 101 course in Anthropolgy, and it was the coolest class I've ever taken. I think it helped that the instructor was like a real-life version of 'Bones' for Maricopa (and I believe Pinal) Counties in Az, getting called in on murder cases or unidentified-body-in-the-desert cases. Considering this was just a Community College course, I think I got extremely lucky. The guy was awesome, even put up with my incessant questions. :-)
 
2012-09-20 05:15:19 PM

Mikey1969: As Ötzi died from an arrow shot in his back, scientists have conjectured that he was possibly killed by a member of a rival tribe, or may have even been murdered.

Maybe he was just part of Secret Service v1.0? Taking an arrow for the Pres.?


I used to be a frozen chalcolithic nomad, like you, until I took an arrow to the back.
 
2012-09-20 05:15:30 PM
Yay Oski! Go Bears!
 
2012-09-20 05:17:45 PM
21st anniversary already? Damn that makes me feel old. Not as old as Otzi, maybe, but I remember reading about his discovery in National Geographic back in the dark days when magazines were still profitable.
 
2012-09-20 05:22:25 PM
Didn't the "discovery" consist of chopping him out of the glacier with ski poles, leaving his weener behind in the process?
 
2012-09-20 05:23:15 PM

Mikey1969:
I took just a 101 course in Anthropolgy, and it was the coolest class I've ever taken. I think it helped that the instructor was like a real-life version of 'Bones' for Maricopa (and I believe Pinal) Counties in Az, getting called in on murder cases or unidentified-body-in-the-desert cases. Considering this was just a Community College course, I think I got extremely lucky. The guy was awesome, even put up with my incessant questions. :-)



(By any chance, was your professor's name Bruce?)
 
2012-09-20 05:27:56 PM

FloydA: (Don't get me wrong- I'm sure our ancestors tried to mate with neandertals. I know enough about human males to be certain that they tried. I'm just not convinced that there were any successful hybrids.)


Give me enough whiskey and I would try it today.

I thought the claim sounded a bit...advanced. I don't read the journals or anything, but something like that on solid ground would make at least the Main Page here.
 
2012-09-20 05:33:44 PM

Bondith: Didn't the "discovery" consist of chopping him out of the glacier with ski poles, leaving his weener behind in the process?


There was a lot of damage done by the hikers, and he was chopped out of the ice with ski poles and even his own bow was used to pry him out. The police brought in jackhammers and one of them did substantial damage to Ötzi's hip, but despite some initial reports, they didn't leave his wiener in the ice- it stayed attached to him- it was just small and shriveled and not easy to see (well, he had been in the ice for more than 5000 years, after all!), but he still had it.
 
2012-09-20 05:35:04 PM
That looks like food to you subby? I didn't think it was legal to eat "long pig" in these parts...
 
2012-09-20 05:36:54 PM

FloydA: Mikey1969:
I took just a 101 course in Anthropolgy, and it was the coolest class I've ever taken. I think it helped that the instructor was like a real-life version of 'Bones' for Maricopa (and I believe Pinal) Counties in Az, getting called in on murder cases or unidentified-body-in-the-desert cases. Considering this was just a Community College course, I think I got extremely lucky. The guy was awesome, even put up with my incessant questions. :-)


(By any chance, was your professor's name Bruce?)


I don't remember. It was about '02 or so, but it was an awesome class, and I aced it. It was at Scottsdale Community College.
 
2012-09-20 05:38:50 PM

FloydA: Mikey1969: As Ötzi died from an arrow shot in his back, scientists have conjectured that he was possibly killed by a member of a rival tribe, or may have even been murdered.

Maybe he was just part of Secret Service v1.0? Taking an arrow for the Pres.?

I used to be a frozen chalcolithic nomad, like you, until I took an arrow to the back.


We watched the Snow White and the Huntsman yesterday on PPV, since I was home sick. I wanted just ONE person to take an obvious arrow to the knee, and my whole day would have been made... The movie wasn't horrible, but I'm really glad we only paid $5 total, waiting for it to come out on HBO would have been more worth it, though.
 
2012-09-20 05:40:08 PM

Mikey1969: FloydA: has provided archaeologists with a fount of knowledge in better understanding the lives of European cavemen,

I got as far as that and simply couldn't continue

By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."

Good point. 5,300 years is only 800 years more than the Pyramids/Sphinx are roughly dated(2,500 BC, if I remember correctly), and I think they have some there that are a few hundred years older than that, so to go from "caveman" to pyramids in 800 years is just silly.

I took just a 101 course in Anthropolgy, and it was the coolest class I've ever taken. I think it helped that the instructor was like a real-life version of 'Bones' for Maricopa (and I believe Pinal) Counties in Az, getting called in on murder cases or unidentified-body-in-the-desert cases. Considering this was just a Community College course, I think I got extremely lucky. The guy was awesome, even put up with my incessant questions. :-)


Actually, community college is the best place to get actual professionals in those kinds of roles, rather than straight academics and researchers and such.
 
2012-09-20 05:51:59 PM

bhcompy: Actually, community college is the best place to get actual professionals in those kinds of roles, rather than straight academics and researchers and such.


I also took a very good Astronomy class there. Nothing like I could get at the University of Utah, but that's only because they actually have an observatory on campus, but the Astronomy class was just as good as the Anthropology class, I learned a lot there, and enjoyed every class.
 
2012-09-20 05:57:43 PM

FloydA: Bondith: Didn't the "discovery" consist of chopping him out of the glacier with ski poles, leaving his weener behind in the process?

There was a lot of damage done by the hikers, and he was chopped out of the ice with ski poles and even his own bow was used to pry him out. The police brought in jackhammers and one of them did substantial damage to Ötzi's hip, but despite some initial reports, they didn't leave his wiener in the ice- it stayed attached to him- it was just small and shriveled and not easy to see (well, he had been in the ice for more than 5000 years, after all!), but he still had it.


Ah geez, now you tell me! I've been buying so-called Ötzi weeners off ebay for years, and every one of the darned things has been an OBVIOUS fake!
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2012-09-20 05:59:18 PM

FloydA: By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."


The whole notion of "cave man" is suspect. Caves are good places for finding well preserved human remains and artifacts because caves are good at preserving things. But just because a lot of stuff has been found in caves it doesn't mean that the primary residence of "cave men" was in caves.
 
2012-09-20 05:59:46 PM

Mikey1969: Good point. 5,300 years is only 800 years more than the Pyramids/Sphinx are roughly dated(2,500 BC, if I remember correctly), and I think they have some there that are a few hundred years older than that, so to go from "caveman" to pyramids in 800 years is just silly.


When you consider Gobekli Tepe is dated ~9000BCE (~6000 years older than Ötzi) it becomes even sillier.

/fingers crossed I did the math right
 
2012-09-20 06:22:53 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

RIP PÖtzi
 
2012-09-20 06:26:21 PM

Mikey1969:

I don't remember. It was about '02 or so, but it was an awesome class, and I aced it. It was at Scottsdale Community College.


Might be the guy I'm thinking of; great guy.


StoneColdAtheist:

Ah geez, now you tell me! I've been buying so-called Ötzi weeners off ebay for years, and every one of the darned things has been an OBVIOUS fake!


You should have bought bulk instead.
i105.photobucket.com

;-)


HairBolus:

The whole notion of "cave man" is suspect. Caves are good places for finding well preserved human remains and artifacts because caves are good at preserving things. But just because a lot of stuff has been found in caves it doesn't mean that the primary residence of "cave men" was in caves.


Exactly! Every time I hear someone say "cave man," the first thing that comes to mind is an Onion article about a race of skeleton people who live underground.
 
2012-09-20 06:33:12 PM
Donner, party of five. Donner, party of five.
 
2012-09-20 07:24:58 PM

Surool: That looks like food to you subby? I didn't think it was legal to eat "long pig" in these parts...


He looks like the turkey from Christmas Vacation.
 
2012-09-20 07:32:48 PM
Where the fark do you eat, subby?
 
2012-09-20 07:52:06 PM
Reconstruction based on skull and DNA (eye color: brown), though how rough he looked for age 40-ish is subjective.
images.nationalgeographic.com
 
2012-09-20 08:16:35 PM

Nem Wan: Reconstruction based on skull and DNA (eye color: brown), though how rough he looked for age 40-ish is subjective.
[images.nationalgeographic.com image 435x520]


ll-media.tmz.com
 
2012-09-20 08:24:56 PM

FloydA: has provided archaeologists with a fount of knowledge in better understanding the lives of European cavemen,

I got as far as that and simply couldn't continue

By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."


Actually, people HADN'T been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years; bu then if you had listened to the presentation you would know that...
 
2012-09-20 08:36:58 PM
Does he...does he have moss growing from his carcass?
 
2012-09-20 08:54:41 PM

Nem Wan: Reconstruction based on skull and DNA (eye color: brown), though how rough he looked for age 40-ish is subjective.
[images.nationalgeographic.com image 435x520]


www.actingmagazine.com
 
2012-09-20 09:13:37 PM
Subby, I don't know what buffets you are eating at, but you are doing something horribly wrong.
 
2012-09-20 09:19:53 PM
I know a few German scientists that would be very thrilled with this.
 
2012-09-20 10:13:22 PM

Bondith: Didn't the "discovery" consist of chopping him out of the glacier with ski poles, leaving his weener behind in the process?


So that's where I_C_Weener came from...
 
2012-09-20 10:20:12 PM

Mikey1969: FloydA: Mikey1969:
I took just a 101 course in Anthropolgy, and it was the coolest class I've ever taken. I think it helped that the instructor was like a real-life version of 'Bones' for Maricopa (and I believe Pinal) Counties in Az, getting called in on murder cases or unidentified-body-in-the-desert cases. Considering this was just a Community College course, I think I got extremely lucky. The guy was awesome, even put up with my incessant questions. :-)


(By any chance, was your professor's name Bruce?)

I don't remember. It was about '02 or so, but it was an awesome class, and I aced it. It was at Scottsdale Community College.


OK, then you probably wouldn't remember if it was Doss.
Yeah, I can't believe they found him that long ago.
And regards to his less than delicate extraction from the ice, I believe that when they first found him they were assuming he was a recent death, hence the "get him out quick so we can identify him and go home" attitude.
Also- when we were doing a unit on Otzi, I was studying some of the material while eating some leftover pot roast that was kind of dried out... Um, yeah, a bit unsettling. 

Oh yeah. Go Artichokes !
 
2012-09-20 10:53:57 PM

FloydA: has provided archaeologists with a fount of knowledge in better understanding the lives of European cavemen,

I got as far as that and simply couldn't continue

By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."


Ummmm.....

Let's use logic here.

Cavemen existed. We know that.

And the earth was created 6,000 years ago, BY GOD, we know that.

And Ootzi was 5,300 years old.

Therefore, Ootzi must have been a caveman.
 
2012-09-20 10:55:38 PM
You know, while I absolutely love this subject, I can't bring myself to read the article. I did a research paper on Otzi back in undergrad and found him to be a very cool mummy to study. Happy to hear new discoveries are still being made on him.
 
2012-09-20 11:04:17 PM
♫ Ötzi the Iceman ♫
 
2012-09-20 11:13:17 PM

halB: FloydA: has provided archaeologists with a fount of knowledge in better understanding the lives of European cavemen,

I got as far as that and simply couldn't continue

By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."

Ummmm.....

Let's use logic here.

Cavemen existed. We know that.

And the earth was created 6,000 years ago, BY GOD, we know that.

And Ootzi was 5,300 years old.

Therefore, Ootzi must have been a caveman.



[PLONK]
 
2012-09-20 11:34:45 PM
i.imgur.com
 
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2012-09-20 11:36:05 PM
I didn't watch the entire hour of video, but the section about his clothes and tools was pretty interesting.
 
2012-09-20 11:49:45 PM
"They're not bloody cavemen!"

/can't possibly be obscure in this group... and yet amazingly no one had referenced it yet?
 
2012-09-21 12:13:38 AM
I still love the fact he's over 50 centuries old and we know what his last couple meals were. Einkorn wheat bread, chamois and red deer venison if I'm not mistaken.
 
2012-09-21 01:35:15 AM
Meatloaf again?
 
2012-09-21 01:39:29 AM

Kalashinator: I still love the fact he's over 50 centuries old and we know what his last couple meals were. Einkorn wheat bread, chamois and red deer venison if I'm not mistaken.


He was also constipated.
 
2012-09-21 10:34:02 AM

Mikey1969: FloydA: has provided archaeologists with a fount of knowledge in better understanding the lives of European cavemen,

I got as far as that and simply couldn't continue

By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."

Good point. 5,300 years is only 800 years more than the Pyramids/Sphinx are roughly dated(2,500 BC, if I remember correctly), and I think they have some there that are a few hundred years older than that, so to go from "caveman" to pyramids in 800 years is just silly.


sheamacleod.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-21 11:01:12 AM

Crudbucket: Mikey1969: FloydA: has provided archaeologists with a fount of knowledge in better understanding the lives of European cavemen,

I got as far as that and simply couldn't continue

By Ötzi's time, people had been living in sedentary villages for thousands of years. Calling him a "caveman" is an error of massive proportions. The amount of difference in time between Ötzi and ourselves is less than the amount of time between Ötzi and "cavemen."

Good point. 5,300 years is only 800 years more than the Pyramids/Sphinx are roughly dated(2,500 BC, if I remember correctly), and I think they have some there that are a few hundred years older than that, so to go from "caveman" to pyramids in 800 years is just silly.

[sheamacleod.files.wordpress.com image 553x484]


I always think that 'aliens' did his hair. It's the only explanation...
 
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