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(The New York Times)   After last night's brutal loss to the Phillies, the Mets are now 4-23 at home since the All Star break which is on a pace to be worse than the same span for the '62 Mets, widely considered the worst baseball team in history   (nytimes.com) divider line 24
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2012-09-20 11:16:41 AM  
Subby fails at grammar.

/Astros are worse, IMHO
//So happy that my team isn't in this discussion for once
///Slashies
 
2012-09-20 11:17:56 AM  
I was there last night. Between the 1st batter of the game and 2 outs in the 9th, all was well. Two big hits is all it takes.

Harvey really looks like the real deal though.
 
2012-09-20 11:29:57 AM  
The 2003 Tigers and the 1899 Cleveland Spiders may have an argument with that.
 
2012-09-20 11:37:53 AM  
And they're still eight games better than my Rockies.

/Monforts are worthless
 
2012-09-20 11:42:28 AM  
As long as they (and the Astros, for that matter) get swept by the Pirates I'll be happy.

\losing two to the Cubs hurt the chances to end it, but it's possible with one good week.
 
2012-09-20 11:51:09 AM  
For the past couple years I've been keeping a spreadsheet of Mets scores and the NL East race. One thing I found is that the magic number seems to be 4½ runs: if you look at their W-L record by the number of runs scored, it tended to flip from under .500 to over .500 at 5 runs. So they were under .500 when scoring 3 runs in a game, under .500 when scoring 4 runs in a game, but over .500 when scoring 5 runs, and so on. Conversely, it has worked the same way when allowing 5 runs: over .500 when allowing 4 runs or fewer, and under when allowing 5 runs or more. For the past couple of years those figures have been pretty consistent.

Except for this team. On the runs-scored scale they still flip at 4½, but on runs-allowed, the break-even point has dropped from 4½ to 2½. They're 10-2 when scoring 2 runs, but 7-11 when allowing 3 runs and 4-10 when allowing 4 runs. Since the All-Star Break, those numbers are 3-1, 2-10, and 1-4 respectively. That shows you how pathetic their offense has been. 

Put another way, say you have the chance to make a deal with the devil. In exchange for his soul, Beelzebubba says that the Mets will allow exactly three runs every game, even though through 2012 the MLB average for runs per 9 innings is 4.37. You'd take it, right? Your only concern would be deciding how you want to say "I'm going to Disney World!" for the commercial. Well, if you extrapolate over a full season the Mets' second-half record in games in which they allow 3 runs, your record would be 27-135. Forget the 1962 Mets; that's 1899 Cleveland Spiders territory.
 
2012-09-20 12:01:56 PM  
This home futility is the very worst I've seen a Mets team play and that is really saying something. It's like they give up one run at home and the game is over. I have no idea why David Wright would even consider resigning with this loser organization unless there's a change in ownership. What the fark are they going to do about their outfield next year?
 
2012-09-20 12:09:25 PM  
I really feel sorry for Matt Harvey, dude really should be like 7-1.

And David Wright, with any support in the lineup he'd probably have 20 points higher on his average

And Dickey, probably should have 20 wins already.
 
2012-09-20 12:10:04 PM  
At least 20 wins.
 
2012-09-20 12:12:10 PM  

WalkingCarpet: This home futility is the very worst I've seen a Mets team play and that is really saying something. It's like they give up one run at home and the game is over. I have no idea why David Wright would even consider resigning with this loser organization unless there's a change in ownership. What the fark are they going to do about their outfield next year?


Hey, they moved in the fences, what more do you people want? They're totes trying, alright?
 
2012-09-20 12:15:56 PM  
What astounds me is the fact that the Mets have STILL not been able to put together a team that can play well in Citi Field. The first season i could understand because no one knew how the new ballpark would play but now there is no excuse. To contend a team has to play at least .600 baseball at home the Mets have never done that for a single month since they moved into Citi Field. That is amazingly hard to believe.
 
2012-09-20 12:19:20 PM  
Teams with the most wins at CitiField since the All-Star break:

Nationals (6)
Braves (5)
Mets (4)
 
2012-09-20 12:34:11 PM  
zippythepinhead.com
 
2012-09-20 12:43:34 PM  
I remember some day in July.. the Yankees were in a long rain delay so YES was instead showing Mike Francesa. The Mets were like 2 games over .500 that day I think, and had just come off a loss that involved a total bullpen implosion. He pretty much spent his entire show ranting about the Mets saying that ownership had to fix the problem NOW. I don't really care about the Mets and was only half listening while waiting for the rain delay to end, but one thing he said stuck out in my mind for some reason:

"If the Mets go under .500 this year, they're not coming back. They're not coming back."

Is Mike Francesa a wizard?
 
2012-09-20 12:45:47 PM  
And last night, when they had the Phils down 2-1 with two outs in the top of the ninth, farking reliever walks Utley and throws a tee ball special to Ryan Howard to seal the deal for the Mets.
 
2012-09-20 01:00:40 PM  
WalkingCarpet: This home futility is the very worst I've seen a Mets team play and that is really saying something. It's like they give up one run at home and the game is over. I have no idea why David Wright would even consider resigning with this loser organization unless there's a change in ownership. What the fark are they going to do about their outfield next year?

Wright will be an Angel or Dodger by Christmas and the Mets will be dead to me. After that, I hope he signs with the Yankees, A-Rod can go full time DH, and I can at least watch the rest of his career.
 
2012-09-20 01:03:02 PM  

The Bestest: I remember some day in July.. the Yankees were in a long rain delay so YES was instead showing Mike Francesa. The Mets were like 2 games over .500 that day I think, and had just come off a loss that involved a total bullpen implosion. He pretty much spent his entire show ranting about the Mets saying that ownership had to fix the problem NOW. I don't really care about the Mets and was only half listening while waiting for the rain delay to end, but one thing he said stuck out in my mind for some reason:

"If the Mets go under .500 this year, they're not coming back. They're not coming back."

Is Mike Francesa a wizard?


Nah. The pen's actually been great for the past couple months.
 
2012-09-20 01:18:33 PM  

The Bestest: "If the Mets go under .500 this year, they're not coming back. They're not coming back."

Is Mike Francesa a wizard?


Nah, everybody who was paying attention knew the Mets 1st half success was a fluke. This was always going to be their season.
 
2012-09-20 01:38:55 PM  

MAYORBOB: And last night, when they had the Phils down 2-1 with two outs in the top of the ninth, farking reliever walks Utley and throws a tee ball special to Ryan Howard to seal the deal for the Mets.


Why any pitcher would throw anything even remotely close to the middle of the plate to Howard right now is a mystery. Partially the injury affected his leg strength, partially because his timing is off, and partially because he hasn't exactly been *improving* at plate discipline over the past couple of years, he's very rarely going to hurt you right now... unless, of course, you throw him a meatball.

There was a story in the papers about how Houston was "insulting" or "disrespecting" (or something like that) Howard, because they intentionally walked Utley a couple of times to pitch to him instead. Heck, right now, any manager that doesn't at least consider that in some situations is foolish.
 
2012-09-20 01:44:34 PM  

Joe_diGriz: MAYORBOB: And last night, when they had the Phils down 2-1 with two outs in the top of the ninth, farking reliever walks Utley and throws a tee ball special to Ryan Howard to seal the deal for the Mets.

Why any pitcher would throw anything even remotely close to the middle of the plate to Howard right now is a mystery. Partially the injury affected his leg strength, partially because his timing is off, and partially because he hasn't exactly been *improving* at plate discipline over the past couple of years, he's very rarely going to hurt you right now... unless, of course, you throw him a meatball.

There was a story in the papers about how Houston was "insulting" or "disrespecting" (or something like that) Howard, because they intentionally walked Utley a couple of times to pitch to him instead. Heck, right now, any manager that doesn't at least consider that in some situations is foolish.


When Utley got ball four and stood at the plate until the home plate umpire realized that, uh, umm, he got a walk, the broadcaster said, "nice at bat by Utley." I was sitting there thinking, "so what, after all, Howard's on deck." I doubt if anyone watching that game was not shocked by the pitch selection and Howard actually going yard.
 
2012-09-20 05:19:58 PM  

MAYORBOB: Joe_diGriz: MAYORBOB: And last night, when they had the Phils down 2-1 with two outs in the top of the ninth, farking reliever walks Utley and throws a tee ball special to Ryan Howard to seal the deal for the Mets.

Why any pitcher would throw anything even remotely close to the middle of the plate to Howard right now is a mystery. Partially the injury affected his leg strength, partially because his timing is off, and partially because he hasn't exactly been *improving* at plate discipline over the past couple of years, he's very rarely going to hurt you right now... unless, of course, you throw him a meatball.

There was a story in the papers about how Houston was "insulting" or "disrespecting" (or something like that) Howard, because they intentionally walked Utley a couple of times to pitch to him instead. Heck, right now, any manager that doesn't at least consider that in some situations is foolish.

When Utley got ball four and stood at the plate until the home plate umpire realized that, uh, umm, he got a walk, the broadcaster said, "nice at bat by Utley." I was sitting there thinking, "so what, after all, Howard's on deck." I doubt if anyone watching that game was not shocked by the pitch selection and Howard actually going yard.


I was watching with my girlfriend, who just started watching baseball when we started dating. She told me Howard was going to hit that home run. I told her there's no way that was going to happen, especially against a left-handed pitcher. I'm not your typical negative Phillies fan but I've seen enough of this season to know the only pitch Howard can hit right now is a fastball down the middle of the plate. I'd also just finished watching them drop 3 of 4 to the freaking Astros.

I can't understand why the pitcher threw that meatball to him, but I'm certainly glad he did. It was worth the ragging I had to take from my gf, too.
 
2012-09-20 07:46:28 PM  

jimpoz: For the past couple years I've been keeping a spreadsheet of Mets scores and the NL East race. One thing I found is that the magic number seems to be 4½ runs: if you look at their W-L record by the number of runs scored, it tended to flip from under .500 to over .500 at 5 runs. So they were under .500 when scoring 3 runs in a game, under .500 when scoring 4 runs in a game, but over .500 when scoring 5 runs, and so on. Conversely, it has worked the same way when allowing 5 runs: over .500 when allowing 4 runs or fewer, and under when allowing 5 runs or more. For the past couple of years those figures have been pretty consistent.

Except for this team. On the runs-scored scale they still flip at 4½, but on runs-allowed, the break-even point has dropped from 4½ to 2½. They're 10-2 when scoring 2 runs, but 7-11 when allowing 3 runs and 4-10 when allowing 4 runs. Since the All-Star Break, those numbers are 3-1, 2-10, and 1-4 respectively. That shows you how pathetic their offense has been. 

Put another way, say you have the chance to make a deal with the devil. In exchange for his soul, Beelzebubba says that the Mets will allow exactly three runs every game, even though through 2012 the MLB average for runs per 9 innings is 4.37. You'd take it, right? Your only concern would be deciding how you want to say "I'm going to Disney World!" for the commercial. Well, if you extrapolate over a full season the Mets' second-half record in games in which they allow 3 runs, your record would be 27-135. Forget the 1962 Mets; that's 1899 Cleveland Spiders territory.


TL;DR : Mets have no offense.

/Mets fan
/suffering
 
2012-09-20 07:50:17 PM  

Delawheredad: What astounds me is the fact that the Mets have STILL not been able to put together a team that can play well in Citi Field. The first season i could understand because no one knew how the new ballpark would play but now there is no excuse. To contend a team has to play at least .600 baseball at home the Mets have never done that for a single month since they moved into Citi Field. That is amazingly hard to believe.


They haven't been trying to contend. They've been trying to build a team for the long haul, with Sandy Moneyball Alderson, and staying just close enough so that the fan base doesn't abandon them en masse. The problem is that the owner involvement in the Wilpon scandal has severely cut their ability to manoeuvre. But the strategy is, more or less, sound - build from within, get value players.

And it will probably pay off. Though after watching this year's team, I feel like I can safely say that if there's one team that can fark it up, it's the mets.
 
2012-09-20 10:01:44 PM  

FriarReb98: As long as they (and the Astros, for that matter) get swept by the Pirates I'll be happy.

\losing two to the Cubs hurt the chances to end it, but it's possible with one good week.


Hows that working out for you after today's shellacking?
 
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