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(Townhall)   Though pundits have hit Romney for his truly awful choice of words, the fact that almost half of Americans pay no federal income taxes does not paint a pretty picture   (townhall.com ) divider line
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2012-09-20 09:07:44 AM  
It ought to paint a pretty picture for all the timid anarchists in the Republican party who think taxes are theft and government the physical expression of evil.

All of a sudden, taxation isn't so bad, guys! Let's all pay some!
 
2012-09-20 09:09:12 AM  
Congress intended the Federal income tax to apply mostly to rich people. Why does this guy want to usurp the intent of Congress? Why does he hate America?
 
2012-09-20 09:16:11 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: It ought to paint a pretty picture for all the timid anarchists in the Republican party who think taxes are theft and government the physical expression of evil.


Nonono... other people paying taxes is fine, ME paying taxes is theft.
 
2012-09-20 09:16:46 AM  
ok, you farking assholes, this "half" of americans who don't pay federal income tax includes:

• retirees who have paid income taxes all their lives
• military personnel serving in war zones
• families making moderate incomes who take advantage of deductions for mortgage interest and children
• people making less than $20k a year
• the mega-rich who earn no "income," but make all their money from capital gains - which are taxed at less than half that of the highest income tax percentage

are these all "moochers?" are these all "lazy?" are these all "takers?"

you farking pieces of shiat.
 
2012-09-20 09:23:44 AM  

FlashHarry: ok, you farking assholes, this "half" of americans who don't pay federal income tax includes:

• retirees who have paid income taxes all their lives
• military personnel serving in war zones
• families making moderate incomes who take advantage of deductions for mortgage interest and children
• people making less than $20k a year
• the mega-rich who earn no "income," but make all their money from capital gains - which are taxed at less than half that of the highest income tax percentage

are these all "moochers?" are these all "lazy?" are these all "takers?"

you farking pieces of shiat.


So much this. Thanks to Romney, the GOP is finally showing its true colors- hateful, meanspirited, ignorant, selfish a55holes that truly hate half the country. And they are proud of the fact.
 
2012-09-20 09:31:33 AM  
Not this shiat again.

www.cbpp.org

Bunch of farking moochers, aren't they subby?
 
2012-09-20 09:46:31 AM  
If this election cycle is trying to do anything it is reinforcing the idea of social classes. Both sides are going with the plan that the other is out to destroy their lives and favor a group other than the one they are speaking to. Until the tax code is fixed to fair across the income spectrum with a fix percent for all and exempting about the first 100k there will be bickering about if some are paying enough or some paying nothing. Remember the flat tax, both sides want nothing to with it because the current tax code gifts groups they want support from money.

I should throw in the fact there is social classes in the US and it is better for a country if the biggest class is the middle class. The debate should be how that is accomplished and what methods should be used. There will always be the very rich and poor having both of those below 6% seems to work well for countries.
 
2012-09-20 10:01:16 AM  
Rmoney wants to start taxing combat pay. This goes well with the nopublicans voting against the veterans benefit bill earlier this week.
 
2012-09-20 10:05:24 AM  
It's also not really a "fact."
 
2012-09-20 10:05:45 AM  
Taxes are terrible!

People who don't pay taxes are terrible!


Make up your goddamned minds.
 
2012-09-20 10:07:08 AM  
I watched Bill Bennett defend Romney and his 47% figure by citing the source as the Tax Policy Center.

When pressed on the details on precisely who that 47% comprised, and specifically which taxes we are talking about, he then slammed the Tax Policy Center for being in the bag for liberals.

Gotta love that evil old coot -- he knows how to have his cake and eat it, too. The reprobate gambler and moral crusader.
 
2012-09-20 10:13:45 AM  

FlashHarry: ok, you farking assholes, this "half" of americans who don't pay federal income tax includes:

• retirees who have paid income taxes all their lives
• military personnel serving in war zones
• families making moderate incomes who take advantage of deductions for mortgage interest and children
• people making less than $20k a year
• the mega-rich who earn no "income," but make all their money from capital gains - which are taxed at less than half that of the highest income tax percentage

are these all "moochers?" are these all "lazy?" are these all "takers?"

you farking pieces of shiat.


You forgot to list all the lazy no good children who not only don't pay any taxes but most of them don't even have jobs! They too were included in Romnoids 47% number
 
2012-09-20 10:45:59 AM  
I really would not mind paying more taxes if I made more money. I've never had any issues with the government requiring a portion of my hard earned money. Problem is, I make so little at my full-time job that if I were taxed more, I'd literally be a choice for me between paying the bills and eating, or paying those extra taxes.
 
2012-09-20 11:05:57 AM  
Goddamnit. Most of the people who don't pay taxes don't make enough farking money. Or they're old. You stupid, stupid people that keep throwing this around suck.
 
2012-09-20 11:14:59 AM  

damnitkage: Goddamnit. Most of the people who don't pay taxes don't make enough farking money. Or they're old. You stupid, stupid people that keep throwing this around suck.


Or they're the CEO of General Electric. Or one of Romney's cronies.
 
2012-09-20 11:33:19 AM  
It sure does, but somehow, I don't think the picture Townhall has in mind is the same picture I have in mind.

Want more people to pay income taxes? PAY THEM MORE.
 
2012-09-20 11:35:06 AM  
No, the fact that so many Americans are so poorly compensated for their labor by the "Job Creators" is not a pretty picture.
 
2012-09-20 11:35:56 AM  
What's worse: That 47% of Americans "don't owe" Federal income tax? Or that probably half of those people don't realize they are part of the 47% and will continue to vote straight ticket R because they "hate freeloaders"?
 
2012-09-20 11:36:10 AM  
If we had a living wage requirement in this country maybe so many people wouldn't be on food stamps
 
2012-09-20 11:38:08 AM  

THEN CHANGE THE F*CKING TAX CODE
YOU DICKBAGS AND GET THAT $1,100
OUT OF THE GUY THAT MAKES $12,000 A YEAR!!
MAKE GRANDMA PAY, TOO!
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2012-09-20 11:38:13 AM  
How are we still on this, after we've had like 2 solid days of graphs breaking down exactly who doesn't pay income tax and why? Is this literally all you have left, Team Romney? "But but but he's right"?
 
2012-09-20 11:39:05 AM  

oldernell: Rmoney wants to start taxing combat pay. This goes well with the nopublicans voting against the veterans benefit bill earlier this week.


Seriously? I know by now I shouldn't be surprised at how the reps like to shiat on the troops (all the while saying how much they support them, of course), but Jesus.
 
2012-09-20 11:39:11 AM  
Unless you are actually accusing 47% of America of being tax cheats
 
2012-09-20 11:39:16 AM  
Problem: 47% of Americans are too broke, too old, too young, or too disabled to pay federal income taxes.

Dumb solution: Try to make them pay taxes.
 
2012-09-20 11:41:13 AM  

FlashHarry: ok, you farking assholes, this "half" of americans who don't pay federal income tax includes:

• retirees who have paid income taxes all their lives
• military personnel serving in war zones
• families making moderate incomes who take advantage of deductions for mortgage interest and children
• people making less than $20k a year
• the mega-rich who earn no "income," but make all their money from capital gains - which are taxed at less than half that of the highest income tax percentage

are these all "moochers?" are these all "lazy?" are these all "takers?"

you farking pieces of shiat.


blog.2modern.com
 
2012-09-20 11:42:16 AM  

qorkfiend: It sure does, but somehow, I don't think the picture Townhall has in mind is the same picture I have in mind.

Want more people to pay income taxes? PAY THEM MORE.


THIS THIS THIS

The solution to this dilemma is not to tax the working poor, it's to pay them more. Idiot conservatives are idiots.
 
2012-09-20 11:43:46 AM  

eurotrader: If this election cycle is trying to do anything it is reinforcing the idea of social classes. Both sides are going with the plan that the other is out to destroy their lives and favor a group other than the one they are speaking to. Until the tax code is fixed to fair across the income spectrum with a fix percent for all and exempting about the first 100k there will be bickering about if some are paying enough or some paying nothing. Remember the flat tax, both sides want nothing to with it because the current tax code gifts groups they want support from money.


If you exempt the first 100k, then it's hardly a flat tax. And far fewer people would be paying any income tax at all, so it would do nothing to address the issue of non-taxpayers having no skin in the game.
 
2012-09-20 11:43:57 AM  
Many of those people take the Earned Income Tax Credit. A tax credit greatly expanded by Reagan that does a fairly good job of helping low income workers get off welfare. But fark that. The new GOP stance is fark Reagan! Go welfare!
 
2012-09-20 11:44:04 AM  
Processing taxes is expensive. Making some guy at Taco Bell pay $20 of income tax isn't worth it.
 
2012-09-20 11:45:24 AM  
In a perfect world, the media might use Romney's statement to spur a discussion on tax reform or the differences in the candidates' tax ideology. Nope... poo-flingin'
 
2012-09-20 11:46:34 AM  
You know what's funny? I remember a few years ago the pundits were holding up Calvin Coolidge as the type of politician we need today. In Coolidge's time only the richest 2% paid income tax. Could you imagine the howls of indignation if that happened today?
 
2012-09-20 11:46:43 AM  
Nothing was more worse than Romney's follow up statement that "I think most people WANT to pay federal income taxes" . Coming from a man who has hired a team of experts to twist the tax code to within an inch of its life so he basically pays HALF the tax rate on his $20 million in income than I do on my 80K, it kicked off my "Hulk SMASH!!!!!" reflex
 
2012-09-20 11:49:26 AM  
LOL Clownhall.
 
2012-09-20 11:49:50 AM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: qorkfiend: It sure does, but somehow, I don't think the picture Townhall has in mind is the same picture I have in mind.

Want more people to pay income taxes? PAY THEM MORE.

THIS THIS THIS

The solution to this dilemma is not to tax the working poor, it's to pay them more. Idiot conservatives are idiots.


Unfortunately paying them more means that money also has to come out of their own pockets, which brings about the same problem as increasing taxes on the rich. Therefore it is not a viable solution.

It all comes down to this lovely little quote I've been seeing around here, most recently today in another thread:

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
 
2012-09-20 11:52:10 AM  
In 2001, Bush promoted his tax cut to the public in part because it would prevent some people from paying taxes. "People with the smallest incomes will get the highest percentage of reductions," Bush said in his first speech to Congress on Feb. 27, 2001. "And millions of additional American families will be removed from the income tax rolls entirely."

By doubling the child tax credit, creating a 10 percent tax bracket and eliminating capital gains taxes for middle-income earners, Bush did exactly that."

This was an intentional result of Republican tax policy. Now its being used as a justification for fitting social programs.
 
2012-09-20 11:52:39 AM  
I would love to pay income tax.
 
2012-09-20 11:53:13 AM  
Err, "gutting" now added to Android dictionary.
 
2012-09-20 11:53:22 AM  
Real question looking for a real answer:
Who in the 47% should pay income tax, how much?
 
2012-09-20 11:55:36 AM  
Wasn't it the Republicans who told us that America works better when people get to keep more of their money? And now they're complaining that average Americans are keeping more of their money? I don't get it. Are they the ones now suggesting we need to raise taxes on the middle class? How did this happen?
 
2012-09-20 11:55:38 AM  

hinten: Real question looking for a real answer:
Who in the 47% should pay income tax, how much?


I can afford about... $50.00 a year. Seriously.
 
2012-09-20 11:55:40 AM  
Factoid:
 
2012-09-20 11:56:02 AM  

FlashHarry: ok, you farking assholes, this "half" of americans who don't pay federal income tax includes:

• retirees who have paid income taxes all their lives
• military personnel serving in war zones
• families making moderate incomes who take advantage of deductions for mortgage interest and children
• people making less than $20k a year
• the mega-rich who earn no "income," but make all their money from capital gains - which are taxed at less than half that of the highest income tax percentage

are these all "moochers?" are these all "lazy?" are these all "takers?"

you farking pieces of shiat.


It can't be said enough.
 
2012-09-20 11:56:23 AM  
It is farking amazing though watching these detestable turds argue for higher taxes. Grover Norquist is probably clutching his pearls as we speak.
 
2012-09-20 11:57:15 AM  

FlashHarry: ok, you farking assholes, this "half" of americans who don't pay federal income tax includes:

• retirees who have paid income taxes all their lives
• military personnel serving in war zones
• families making moderate incomes who take advantage of deductions for mortgage interest and children
• people making less than $20k a year
• the mega-rich who earn no "income," but make all their money from capital gains - which are taxed at less than half that of the highest income tax percentage

are these all "moochers?" are these all "lazy?" are these all "takers?"

you farking pieces of shiat.


Can here to say this, QFT.

Jon Stewart nailed it when he pointed out that George Romney would have been considered part of this 47% when he was younger.

Since when did being an American mean that we have a society where everyone has to toil and pay taxes? Have the Republicans gotten confused about the difference between being a citizen and being a slave?

Part of living in a civilized society is taking care of those who can't care for themselves and allowing those who are poor, those who are elderly, who have served in the military, or who are differently-abled special privileges so that they're not living destitute in the streets. Why the Republican party takes umbrage to that in 2012 when they were completely onboard 20-30 years ago shows how far the party has slipped into pseudo-Libertarian / Ayn Rand-style thinking.

And considering the Republicans represent a large group of people who are so serious about their religious faith that they think the Earth is literally 6,000 old, it's even sadder to see these folks slip so far away from the values their religion's founder espoused and into the sort of thinking he decried.
 
2012-09-20 11:57:27 AM  
When no one was looking, Mitt Romney
accused forty-seven percent of America of stealing. That's forty-seven percent.
That's seven more than four tens.
And that's terrible.
 
2012-09-20 11:57:39 AM  
Lots of the "47%" pay payroll taxes that support the entitlement programs that conservatives like to decry. Lots of them pay state taxes, because we like to devolve power to the states. All of them pay sales taxes that support state and local programs.

Misleading statistics are misleading.
 
2012-09-20 11:58:10 AM  
This whole thing confuses me. Aren't the Republicans all about low taxes, and here almost half the country pays *no* federal income tax. Isn't that something they want? Shouldn't they be cheering that?

Yet the Democrats are all about soaking people with taxes, so shouldn't *they* be the ones make the point that not enough people are paying taxes?


You'd almost think these parties don't truly represent their platforms, and their leaders and spokespersons are not honest about their goals or something!
 
2012-09-20 11:59:12 AM  
So 47% of citizens don't make enough money to owe taxes on April 15th?

Well guess what, those are the exact same people who can't afford an accountant to minimize their tax burden. Those are the same people who take the standard deduction and give Uncle Sam interest free loans between January 1st of one year and whenever their refund checks get back sometime after April 16th of the next.
 
2012-09-20 11:59:32 AM  
I found THIS BLOG POST to be very enlightening about the subject. 

Especially this little snippet...

"That is, the top 10% of earners-Romney's constituency-pays just 10% of payroll taxes in spite of their sky's-the-limit earnings. The rest of us, the bottom 90%, pay 90% of those taxes. And for most of us, the payroll tax is much more burdensome than the federal income tax."

Nearly everything from New Economic Perspectives is interesting, to the point, and understandable.
 
2012-09-20 12:02:13 PM  

secularsage: how far the party has slipped into pseudo-Libertarian / Ayn Rand-style thinking.

 

I blame the college professors.
 
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