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2012-09-20 10:52:58 AM  
Subby, I doubt anyone will get that reference. Apart from me. Get off my lawn.

/adjusts truss
 
2012-09-20 10:55:15 AM  
I'd also take a guess that this rice is coming from, say, an asian country...one that doesn't have a good environmental track record...nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
 
2012-09-20 11:43:33 AM  
Well, then, how did the Ricin get in my Arsenic?
 
2012-09-20 12:37:55 PM  

gopher321: Subby, I doubt anyone will get that reference. Apart from me. Get off my lawn.

/adjusts truss


Well, I can't speak for the rest of Fark but it's in my top 10 of funniest damned movies of all time.
 
2012-09-20 12:39:08 PM  

gopher321: I'd also take a guess that this rice is coming from, say, an asian country...one that doesn't have a good environmental track record...nudge, nudge, wink, wink.


Try the Southeast US.
 
2012-09-20 12:39:26 PM  
Because LEAD and MELAMINE are so last year...
 
2012-09-20 12:40:15 PM  
Put the ricin a cigarette. That's a good hiding spot.
 
2012-09-20 12:41:46 PM  

reklamfox: Put the ricin a cigarette. That's a good hiding spot.


Not if you're trying to hide it from Huell.
 
2012-09-20 12:42:18 PM  

KatjaMouse: gopher321: Subby, I doubt anyone will get that reference. Apart from me. Get off my lawn.

/adjusts truss

Well, I can't speak for the rest of Fark but it's in my top 10 of funniest damned movies of all time.


www.blogcdn.com

BULLY!
 
2012-09-20 12:43:07 PM  
The Arsenic occurs naturally in the ground water. As a result it's been in the rice pretty much forever, but somehow now it's a hot topic.

On the plus side, owing to the fact that the Arsenic is 100% natural with no added chemicals, it's also organic and vegan it must be good for you.
 
2012-09-20 12:44:01 PM  

offmymeds: KatjaMouse: gopher321: Subby, I doubt anyone will get that reference. Apart from me. Get off my lawn.

/adjusts truss

Well, I can't speak for the rest of Fark but it's in my top 10 of funniest damned movies of all time.

[www.blogcdn.com image 433x289]

BULLY!


Chaaaaaaaaarge!
 
2012-09-20 12:45:43 PM  
Maybe arsenic is the secret to the longevity of the Japanese.
 
2012-09-20 12:47:08 PM  

reklamfox: Put the ricin a cigarette. That's a good hiding spot.


And the lime in the coconut.
 
2012-09-20 12:51:23 PM  
FTFA: "The study surveyed more than 60 different rice products ranging from infant cereals to rice pasta and rice drinks and found "worrisome" levels of inorganic arsenic in most of the products."

LOL WUT?

Isn't arsenic, by definition, "inorganic"?

/waits for Whole Foods to start marketing organic arsenic (at a premium) to the hipsters
 
2012-09-20 12:52:58 PM  

curtis_e_bare: The Arsenic occurs naturally in the ground water. As a result it's been in the rice pretty much forever, but somehow now it's a hot topic.

On the plus side, owing to the fact that the Arsenic is 100% natural with no added chemicals, it's also organic and vegan it must be good for you.


Well, we couldn't detect it in those 50 PPB amounts until very recently. So we've gone from none detectable to the point where we can see it.
 
2012-09-20 12:56:59 PM  
Any element on the periodic table less than Neptunium (93) exist naturally on the Earth and biological systems have evolved to handle them (and much of the damage they cause) in minute amounts. So despite arsenic being toxic, we can handle trace amounts.

Anything can kill you in the right amount. Consider the toxicity of DHMO in the environment, it kills thousands a year but no one seems to want to do anything about it.
 
2012-09-20 01:01:51 PM  
If anyone needs me, I will be in the basement digging a grave for the next victim.

/malaria victim that is.
 
2012-09-20 01:05:45 PM  
So I saw this on MSNBC while I was out yesterday, they cautioned about it and said the levels were higherthan normal but then at the end of the report they said scientists are still unsure about it causing any problems and they claim that the levels are still very low.

Today I was out again and saw the story on Fox. "High Levels of Arsenic Found in Rice"
 
2012-09-20 01:08:02 PM  
"Arsenic and old rice" ............... next weeks ingredients on "Top Chef Canada".
 
2012-09-20 01:16:50 PM  

lohphat: FTFA: "The study surveyed more than 60 different rice products ranging from infant cereals to rice pasta and rice drinks and found "worrisome" levels of inorganic arsenic in most of the products."

LOL WUT?

Isn't arsenic, by definition, "inorganic"?

/waits for Whole Foods to start marketing organic arsenic (at a premium) to the hipsters


Neither refers to elemental arsenic.

"Inorganic" arsenic is typically an arsenate salt of some variety. This is the acutely toxic form of arsenic.

"Organic" arsenic is bound in carbon compounds. It's roughly 1000 times less toxic than inorganic arsenic.

I looked at the FDA's numbers last night - you can find the study on their website. Looks like US rice ranges from trace levels (
Nobody has data on the long-term health effects of the arsenic in rice.

The FDA is advising no dietary changes until we have a more complete dataset. Their numbers also include some imported Indian rice, which seem to come in around 100 ppb inorganic arsenic.

We don't know what these numbers really mean. I suspect this may turn into another Dr. Oz "OMG ARSENIC IN UR APPLE JUICE" incident, where legitimate science is drowned out by fear-mongering.

Or we find out that rice will give you cancer.
 
2012-09-20 01:18:24 PM  
That should have read "from trace levels (2 ppb) to ~250 ppb."
 
2012-09-20 01:22:00 PM  
Well that explains why Budweiser drinkers are like that.
 
2012-09-20 01:22:19 PM  

Petey4335: offmymeds: KatjaMouse: gopher321: Subby, I doubt anyone will get that reference. Apart from me. Get off my lawn.

/adjusts truss

Well, I can't speak for the rest of Fark but it's in my top 10 of funniest damned movies of all time.

[www.blogcdn.com image 433x289]

BULLY!

Chaaaaaaaaarge!


I got the reference and up-voted (basically) the same headline yesterday before it was featured on NPR and CNN.
 
2012-09-20 01:27:08 PM  
(1) The standard the arsenic is being compared to is for drinking water, which is an invalid comparison unless you consume a liter of rice per day.

(2) The bioavailability of arsenic in drinking water is nearly 100%. The bioavailability of arsenic in foodstuffs is lower (that means not all of the arsenic goes into your bloodsteam, rather you shiat out a certain percentage)
 
2012-09-20 01:29:35 PM  

moops: (1) The standard the arsenic is being compared to is for drinking water, which is an invalid comparison unless you consume a liter of rice per day.

(2) The bioavailability of arsenic in drinking water is nearly 100%. The bioavailability of arsenic in foodstuffs is lower (that means not all of the arsenic goes into your bloodsteam, rather you shiat out a certain percentage)


dont forget to add the arsenic levels in your water there professor.
 
2012-09-20 01:29:51 PM  

KatjaMouse: gopher321: Subby, I doubt anyone will get that reference. Apart from me. Get off my lawn.

/adjusts truss

Well, I can't speak for the rest of Fark but it's in my top 10 of funniest damned movies of all time.


I adored that film. Cary Grant is so hammy by the end that it's glorious.
 
2012-09-20 01:32:35 PM  

lohphat: LOL WUT?

Isn't arsenic, by definition, "inorganic"?


Organic arsenic is the As atom bound to organic molecules, i.e., there is a carbon atom in the molecule. Organically-bound As is 500x less toxic than inorganic arsenic, and not a cancer-causing agent. It occurs in vegetables and in fish tissue. It is not harmful. Below is an example.

contaminationinnovation.com

Inorganic arsenic is a much simpler molecule, such as arsenic trioxide. An inorganic arsenic molecule contains no carbon atom. It IS toxic and cancer causing.
 
2012-09-20 01:32:40 PM  
Won't you try the quince?

I loved the movie, but performing the play in college was the highlight of my last year
 
2012-09-20 01:37:36 PM  

My Bologna Has A Maiden Name: Maybe arsenic is the secret to the longevity of the Japanese.


Maybe the homeopaths are on to something?
 
2012-09-20 01:38:26 PM  

moops: lohphat: LOL WUT?

Isn't arsenic, by definition, "inorganic"?

Organic arsenic is the As atom bound to organic molecules, i.e., there is a carbon atom in the molecule. Organically-bound As is 500x less toxic than inorganic arsenic, and not a cancer-causing agent. It occurs in vegetables and in fish tissue. It is not harmful. Below is an example.

[contaminationinnovation.com image 337x261]

Inorganic arsenic is a much simpler molecule, such as arsenic trioxide. An inorganic arsenic molecule contains no carbon atom. It IS toxic and cancer causing.


Thank you. I actually enjoy being corrected when I asked a simple question I was unsure about.

/bows to your chemistry fu
 
2012-09-20 01:52:02 PM  

KatjaMouse: gopher321: Subby, I doubt anyone will get that reference. Apart from me. Get off my lawn.

/adjusts truss

Well, I can't speak for the rest of Fark but it's in my top 10 of funniest damned movies of all time.


Wonderful movie.

But I dunno why the reference itself would be obscure. I had the play in my reading book in elementary school. The whole class took turns reading from it. I'm only 26.
 
2012-09-20 01:54:25 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: curtis_e_bare: The Arsenic occurs naturally in the ground water. As a result it's been in the rice pretty much forever, but somehow now it's a hot topic.

On the plus side, owing to the fact that the Arsenic is 100% natural with no added chemicals, it's also organic and vegan it must be good for you.

Well, we couldn't detect it in those 50 PPB amounts until very recently. So we've gone from none detectable to the point where we can see it.


I suppose it really depends on your definition of recent, GFAAS, ICP-AES and hydride atomic fluorescence have been around for decades. They all have the ability to measure sub-to-low ppb levels of Arsenic. I remember seeing scientific talks in the late 90's about this very topic. 

Here's a paper from 200 about sub-ppb speciation of Arsenic.
Link
 
2012-09-20 01:56:01 PM  
*2000
 
2012-09-20 02:09:42 PM  
For those who know these things:

Why would inorganic arsenic be in plant life? Where does it come from? I'm going to assume if it's in rice, then it's in other foods, so at what point is it a concern?
 
2012-09-20 02:11:51 PM  
but i thought rice was in castor beans
 
2012-09-20 02:15:03 PM  
Christ almighty, don't people pre-wash their rice anymore or are they too lazy and ignorant and just dump the rice into the pot without a second thought?
 
2012-09-20 02:15:50 PM  
This is not news. Link
 
2012-09-20 03:45:31 PM  

KatjaMouse: gopher321: Subby, I doubt anyone will get that reference. Apart from me. Get off my lawn.

/adjusts truss

Well, I can't speak for the rest of Fark but it's in my top 10 of funniest damned movies of all time.


Damn straight. Even the kids watch it with me whenever TCM shows it.
 
2012-09-20 03:47:12 PM  
www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com

Calm down, calm down, the reports of arsenic levels in rice has been greatly exaggerated.

/had to do it
 
2012-09-20 03:48:46 PM  

Wade_Wilson: KatjaMouse: gopher321: Subby, I doubt anyone will get that reference. Apart from me. Get off my lawn.

/adjusts truss

Well, I can't speak for the rest of Fark but it's in my top 10 of funniest damned movies of all time.

I adored that film. Cary Grant is so hammy by the end that it's glorious.


Did you know Jimmy Stewart was supposed to have that role, but had to bow out for whatever reasons? Now every time I watch it I see him in the role (although so far I can't spot Harvey).
 
2012-09-20 04:13:28 PM  

mama2tnt: Did you know Jimmy Stewart was supposed to have that role, but had to bow out for whatever reasons? Now every time I watch it I see him in the role (although so far I can't spot Harvey).


I'm glad that Grant got the part though because, though I love Jimmy Stewart, Carey Grant is just so cool and suave. That's what makes the role. You can't really by the decent into madness unless he started off as something on the other end of the spectrum.
 
2012-09-20 04:54:57 PM  
CR report
Link
 
2012-09-20 05:23:07 PM  

crankybass: For those who know these things:

Why would inorganic arsenic be in plant life? Where does it come from? I'm going to assume if it's in rice, then it's in other foods, so at what point is it a concern?


It occurs naturally in the water where a lot of rice is grown, so the plant takes up Arsenic with the water.
 
2012-09-20 05:25:17 PM  

leonel: Christ almighty, don't people pre-wash their rice anymore or are they too lazy and ignorant and just dump the rice into the pot without a second thought?


Washing the rice will not remove the arsenic, it's not a surface contaminant.
.
 
2012-09-20 06:33:49 PM  
EVERYBODY PICNIC!!
 
2012-09-20 07:49:11 PM  
The source of arsenic in Southern rice comes from rice being planted in old cotton fields. Cotton used to be treated with arsenic based insecticides which killed weevils and ground bugs but did not affect the cotton. Flood the field and plant rice and the arsenic gets taken up with other soil nutrients. USDA has monitored arsenic levels in rice for years. The government also supported rice production like corn and beans and bought tons of rice that had elevated arsenic and could not be sold for consumption. That rice was typically blended with clean rice and used for foreign aid all over the world. Best rice for low arsenic is California organic or India mountain rice.
 
2012-09-20 08:06:04 PM  
This confuses me because my daughter (18 months old) is allergic to milk/lactose and pretty much only drinks rice milk.

We've got at least a case of the stuff in our pantry. Of course my wife already panicked and is trying to get her to switch over to almond milk.

It's tricky because Mabel won't touch cocoanut milk (she may be allergic) and she also just happens to be allergic to the soy protein so that's definitely not an option.

The almond milk she's seems to be taking now is vanilla flavored... Yeah, I'm not too thrilled about that.

/still better than then Rx hypoallergenic formula she used to be on (Neocate)
 
2012-09-20 08:17:01 PM  

HowlingPook: The government also supported rice production like corn and beans and bought tons of rice that had elevated arsenic and could not be sold for consumption. That rice was typically blended with clean rice and used for foreign aid all over the world.


"Hey, sorry about that earthquake/tsunami/volcano that just totaled your country. How about some nice cancer causing rice!"

Kind of reminds me of another American policy...

www.nativeweb.org
/hot like a brain boiling fever
 
2012-09-20 08:23:52 PM  
In veterinary science, we treat leukemia in cattle with a few parts per million by body weight of arsenic.

This has been known since 1914.

If you gave a cow the same medical care as we give humans. your steaks would cost $875 a pound, and you would never get away with it. They would throw you in jail for treating a cow that badly.
 
2012-09-20 08:36:28 PM  
Well, since I'm finding out that I have a pretty bad intolerance for most foods starting with wheat this is great news! I'm sitting here eating a huge bowl of my own homemade chicken rice soup and I'm NOT intolerant of arsenic!
Best news I've heard all day!
 
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