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(NPR)   Is there really a multiverse? And if so, would your counterpart have made the same choices, or would they have made it to shift manager at 7-11 by now?   (npr.org) divider line 95
    More: Interesting, multiverse, theory of everything, extrapolations, cosmic microwave background, superstring theory, Big Bang theory, possible worlds, metric expansion of space  
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2012-09-20 05:11:39 PM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
/file photo of a parallel universe
 
2012-09-20 05:22:39 PM  

Omis: Or if your counterpart was a chick, would you have sex with her?


And could you marry them in California?
 
2012-09-20 05:29:17 PM  

DarnoKonrad: MetaCarpal: I hate to break it to you guys, but "multiverse" doesn't mean that there are alternate realities.

Sure it does. In fact, depending on how big our universe is, there may be a copy of you out there posting on farl.com There's only so many probabilities before you have to cycle back through them.


You missed the punchline, there, Chief.
 
2012-09-20 05:30:47 PM  
Multiverse theory segues well with string theory, which is why some people like it.

I don't think that makes it real though.
 
2012-09-20 05:56:20 PM  
Yes because Marcelo Gleiser, blogger extraordinaire knows the secrets of the universe.
 
2012-09-20 06:14:30 PM  
Already been evidence of pre-Big Bang radiation that looks an awful lot like another universe collided with this one possibly creating the Big Bang itself. Also theories that this is how other universes are created. That outside our universe if we were able to go to such a place exists other 'bubbles' where the other universes exist. When the bubbles collide you get things such as The big Bang. Makes sense to me.
 
2012-09-20 06:30:42 PM  

brantgoose: TheManofPA: This is truly the darkest of thread timelines

His Shadow be upon you, Unbelieving Child of Light! Or something. I don't care. Neither does the universe. One of my firmer theological beliefs is that the Universe does not play favourites.

"All things come alike to all", as Scriptures put it. God sends his Sun and his rain upon the wicked and the righteous alike.

Some people, Job's Comforter types and Church Ladies, mostly, think that God punishes the wicked and rewards the good every day with disasters for the unrighteous and wealth and American flags for the righteous.

To paraphase Morbo the News Monster, "GOD DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!"

God so loves the world that he letteth it alone to go its own way as best as can. To a given value of "God" and "world".


The Morbo line slayed me.
 
2012-09-20 06:38:56 PM  

ParagonComplex: Already been evidence of pre-Big Bang radiation that looks an awful lot like another universe collided with this one possibly creating the Big Bang itself. Also theories that this is how other universes are created. That outside our universe if we were able to go to such a place exists other 'bubbles' where the other universes exist. When the bubbles collide you get things such as The big Bang. Makes sense to me.


Well then let's hope there's no female Asian gods controlling some of those other universes otherwise we're screwed.
 
2012-09-20 06:49:44 PM  
kestas.kuliukas.com

Leeloo Dallas... mul-ti-verse.

/In at least one of these 'verses, Milla exists looking like this and is unfathomably in love with me.
 
2012-09-20 07:28:53 PM  
.........sliders...........
 
2012-09-20 07:36:19 PM  

sno man: I have a goatee, does that make this the evil universe?

/'cause that would explain a few things...


This may be the dark timeline; is your goatee made of paper?
 
2012-09-20 07:44:21 PM  

sno man: miss diminutive: sno man: I have a goatee, does that make this the evil universe?

No, your evil universe counterpart would have a double goatee.

/mine would have quadruple tinfoil pigtails

kinda like this for the goat?
[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 594x394] 
or this...
[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 594x396]

as for the pigtails...My google foo is weak today, but 'quadruple pigtails' with safe search off had some interesting, although completely unrelated and so we are all clear NSFW, pictures...


t2.gstatic.com

t1.gstatic.com

You must be using the alternate universe google.
 
2012-09-20 07:45:58 PM  
From what I understand about the whole multiverse theory (next to none), different multiverses would have completely different laws of physics. E would not = MC2. Gravity might not exist, or it would have completely different values.

So my counterpart is surfing the sands of Pluto upside-down.
 
2012-09-20 07:51:59 PM  

DarnoKonrad: HotWingConspiracy: If the multiverse is real and all possibilities are represented, doesn't that mean there is a universe where there is no mulitverse?

*hits bong*

Ones that collapse in on itself I suppose. The multiverse doesn't exist for those unfortunate realities. *hits bong* This good stuff man.  You get this from shiat form Neil deGrasse Tyson?


Oh wow.

You just blew my mind.

i.qkme.me
 
2012-09-20 08:09:57 PM  
People.

There IS a difference between parallel universes
and a multiverse.

Do not get them mixed up.

A multiverse is an area which is made of of multiple universes. (like stars in a galaxy, except WAY bigger)
A parallel universe is one of a probabilistic co-existing series of universes in tune with our own (like reflections in a mirror)

You COULD have a multiverse made up of universes,
each universe having an infinite series of of itself.

The subby is joking about a parallel universe.
The article is discussing a multiverse.

/clarity
 
2012-09-20 08:18:26 PM  

miss diminutive: sno man: miss diminutive: sno man: I have a goatee, does that make this the evil universe?

No, your evil universe counterpart would have a double goatee.

/mine would have quadruple tinfoil pigtails

kinda like this for the goat?
[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 594x394] 
or this...
[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 594x396]

as for the pigtails...My google foo is weak today, but 'quadruple pigtails' with safe search off had some interesting, although completely unrelated and so we are all clear NSFW, pictures...

[t2.gstatic.com image 189x267]

[t1.gstatic.com image 188x268]

You must be using the alternate universe google.


lol
Indeed.

/been meaning to ask, seems as handy a place as any, does your universe include parts of Mel Nooobody's old stomping ground? Otherwise I think I saw your evil twin incognito mostly not having lunch with a couple of girlfriend/co-worker types one day a few months ago... (eip at this end)
 
2012-09-20 08:22:23 PM  
BTW... having a multiverse would make the most sense for the red-shift acceleration.

Potentially,
We're either on a energy wave cusp expanding with what seems to be greater speed,
but is actually just a series of waves...us following others...and others following us.

Or we may be an analog to a film on a bubble expanding until "pop"

I think it's more like a spa...with a variety of greater energy sources,
all interweaving with each other in some flow...each wave/bubble a universe in itself.

Of course, this is pure speculation on my part...I have no proof, unless you've got a tool to observe it...
 
2012-09-20 08:30:19 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-20 08:32:56 PM  
There is a multiverse.. how else do you explain premonitions? Overlapping occurs every so often. That's what I was told by the other me.
 
2012-09-20 08:51:23 PM  
www.channelavi.com

Probably knows the answer, but isn't saying.

By the ravenous teeth that have smitten
Through the kisses that blossom and bud,
By the lips intertwisted and bitten
Till the foam has a savour of blood,
By the pulse as it rises and falters,
By the hands as they slacken and strain,
I adjure thee, respond from thine altars,
Our Lady of Pain.
 
2012-09-20 09:44:49 PM  
The Multiverse, eh? Sounds like a convenient dumping ground for the unexplainable (replacing God).
 
2012-09-20 10:18:49 PM  
Well, I was a little kid making 8mm films in the California Central Valley in the 60's...
 
2012-09-20 11:32:44 PM  
www.alicia-logic.com

www.alicia-logic.com

/hot like Orion's belt
 
2012-09-20 11:39:04 PM  

nmemkha: The Multiverse, eh? Sounds like a convenient dumping ground for the unexplainable (replacing God).


Hey, even Lot had to start out with, "Wow, sleeping with my daughters was not a good idea at all. I'd better write that one down..."

The notion of god has always been a sort of placeholder for what we haven't known or felt that we couldn't know. Well, that and a personification of our neuroses. Even the Christians have nothing on the crazy the Romans dreamt up, whooooo!
 
2012-09-20 11:47:05 PM  

rogue49: BTW... having a multiverse would make the most sense for the red-shift acceleration.


The most sense is that one day we will discover the easy to understand, non-accelerating reason for the red-shift and laugh heartily at how stupid and esoteric all our theories were.

/You may laugh, but look at how obvious jupiter and neptune's rings should have been, but weren't
 
2012-09-20 11:53:46 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: nmemkha: The Multiverse, eh? Sounds like a convenient dumping ground for the unexplainable (replacing God).

Hey, even Lot had to start out with, "Wow, sleeping with my daughters was not a good idea at all. I'd better write that one down..."

The notion of god has always been a sort of placeholder for what we haven't known or felt that we couldn't know. Well, that and a personification of our neuroses. Even the Christians have nothing on the crazy the Romans dreamt up, whooooo!


Well its a chicken and egg problem. The case of man creating God is strong (we are imaginative little chimps), but it is also a concept the developed independently around the world in nearly very culture. To deny man has a "spiritual component" is to deny history and the reality of today's world (the majority of humanity is still religious).

What I find interesting is the fall of poly-theism and "knowable" God. The God of all the major world religions (Abrahamic and Dramatic) is both a singular unknowable creator God.
 
2012-09-21 12:38:47 AM  
This is clearly the darkest timeline.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-21 12:50:09 AM  
In all the mulitverses where some variant of you exists you still aren't getting laid tonight.

randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com
 
2012-09-21 12:50:29 AM  
nmemkha
What I find interesting is the fall of poly-theism and "knowable" God. The God of all the major world religions (Abrahamic and Dramatic) is both a singular unknowable creator God.

Meh, I think it's wholly predictable. Those religions didn't start out that way (remember: Jesus is about 1,940 years overdue on his return and God should know that rabbits don't chew cud). And it's no secret that science rejects claims that are unfalsifiable as being unworthy of examination.

Clergy aren't stupid, they're just stuck between having invested an awful lot of their life and passion on some pretty bold claims versus needing to pay their bills and getting through life with some dignity.

Of course they're going to declare God "unknowable". Suck on that, you eggheads.

The math on multiverses seems to work out, so it's worthy of speculation and investigation. Science takes this with a grain of salt, however, since (as far as my armchair spectatorship is aware) it's not more than a hypothesis.

That being said, I still get goosebumps reading Max Tegmark's paper from 2000 concerning multiverses and the probably of parallel universes within that.

/SPACE ENDS HERE - MIND THE GAP
//also a bookend to an excellent album by the band Leiahdorus
 
2012-09-21 12:54:41 AM  
Correction: the paper was 2003, not 2000.
 
2012-09-21 01:09:24 AM  

sno man: I have a goatee, does that make this the evil universe?

/'cause that would explain a few things...


Hey, I've got one of those!

csb\
I used to be a "shift manager" at a 7-11 (11pm-7am). I guess I was the shift manager, because I was the only one there. I regret that if I were smarter/more observant I could have used that title to have some business cards printed, added it to my resume, gotten a raise and generally puffed up the whole experience. Well, heck I guess I could still do that.
I had to quit because it was supposed to be part time, but within two weeks I was getting my full 40 hours and the girlfriend deprivation as well as sleep adjustment really messed with my social life. Thankfully I didn't get robbed or have to deal with tweakers.
 
2012-09-21 02:04:48 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: nmemkha
What I find interesting is the fall of poly-theism and "knowable" God. The God of all the major world religions (Abrahamic and Dramatic) is both a singular unknowable creator God.

Meh, I think it's wholly predictable. Those religions didn't start out that way (remember: Jesus is about 1,940 years overdue on his return and God should know that rabbits don't chew cud). And it's no secret that science rejects claims that are unfalsifiable as being unworthy of examination.

Clergy aren't stupid, they're just stuck between having invested an awful lot of their life and passion on some pretty bold claims versus needing to pay their bills and getting through life with some dignity.

Of course they're going to declare God "unknowable". Suck on that, you eggheads.

The math on multiverses seems to work out, so it's worthy of speculation and investigation. Science takes this with a grain of salt, however, since (as far as my armchair spectatorship is aware) it's not more than a hypothesis.

That being said, I still get goosebumps reading Max Tegmark's paper from 2000 concerning multiverses and the probably of parallel universes within that.

/SPACE ENDS HERE - MIND THE GAP
//also a bookend to an excellent album by the band Leiahdorus


And I find little excitement in the prospect. Its doesn't matter since it we are fundamentally stuck in our own doomed universe.
 
2012-09-21 05:53:24 AM  

F42: MurphyMurphy: In every blackhole there may be another universe.

Of course not. A "black hole" is just a star dense enough that photons fall back to it instead of escaping. It's not the magical "it can do anything" gimmick that sci-fi makes it out to be.


since when did common sense dictate physics?

On topic, if there are an infinite number of multiverses where "anything and everything" is happening then in one of them, someone makes a machine to destroy all of them. As this has not happened then not "anything and everything" is happening, it is limited.
 
2012-09-21 06:05:54 AM  

Branbot: Yes because Marcelo Gleiser, blogger extraordinaire knows the secrets of the universes.


Fixed that for you. No charge.
 
2012-09-21 06:28:22 AM  

SnarfVader: [i212.photobucket.com image 277x345]

Seriously love this stuff but I have a hard time wrapping my head around any of it.


What if the brain only has finite storage though, worse yet what if when it reaches capacity it deletes the oldest bit! You could be walking down the street and suddenly, upon hearing "Mozart was both in 1756" you are unable to walk!
 
2012-09-21 07:16:17 AM  
Makes sense. Nobody ever said the Matrix wasn't a VM. It's obviously capable of running multiple instances of the simulation.
 
2012-09-21 08:48:17 AM  

Trocadero: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 762x570]
/file photo of a parallel universe


In futurama there's only one parallel universe which is the cowboy universe. Futurama's creators explained that what those boxes contain are in fact perpendicular universes.
 
2012-09-21 11:05:56 AM  
Some multiverses are more likely than others. The so-called Type 1 multiverse is very likely. That is just that space keeps on going on beyond the 13.7 billion light years* represented by the farthest any signal could have come since the end of inflation (or since the Big Bang if you don't accept inflation). "Universe" in this usage is more like Hubble volume.

*Technically that is larger now because space has expanded as that light traveled to us.

In many versions of inflation suggest that this multiverse is really huge possibly so huge that if you go far enough that you will find another "Earth" where I am about to post on fark.com. (Remember there are only so many ways you can put together a universe. If the universe/type-1 multiverse goes is large enough, it will repeat. Of course "large enough" farking huge.)

Another type of multiverse is the volumes where inflation ends. If inflation is correct (and that can be tested) then the implication is that countless such "universes." Many suggest that these island universes in the sea of inflation could have different physical constants though there is no real evidence one way or the other for that.
 
2012-09-21 01:08:43 PM  

nmemkha: And I find little excitement in the prospect. Its doesn't matter since it we are fundamentally stuck in our own doomed universe.


Well, I'll stay excited. You go ahead and "meh" to yourself there in the corner.
 
2012-09-21 03:23:20 PM  

brantgoose: Plurivalism raises an important question: how do you tell which Universe you are living in?

The short answer is that you can't.



Of course I can. I live in this one.
 
2012-09-21 03:47:54 PM  
FTA:

"We are culturally programmed to find final explanations, to craft narratives with a beginning, middle and end. "

Cultural programming is not destiny. You don't have to lose sleep over unanswerable questions.
 
2012-09-21 05:09:10 PM  
Why do so many assume there is an infinite amount of matter/energy in the omniverse
 
2012-09-21 05:13:40 PM  

diaphoresis: There is a multiverse.. how else do you explain premonitions? Overlapping occurs every so often. That's what I was told by the other me.


Or that the concept of time is an illusion and sometimes your mind gets a glimpse of what really is. We're essetionally in a dream created by our lack of perspective.
 
2012-09-21 08:18:51 PM  

ski9600: csb\
I used to be a "shift manager" at a 7-11 (11pm-7am). I guess I was the shift manager, because I was the only one there. I regret that if I were smarter/more observant I could have used that title to have some business cards printed, added it to my resume, gotten a raise and generally puffed up the whole experience. Well, heck I guess I could still do that.
I had to quit because it was supposed to be part time, but within two weeks I was getting my full 40 hours and the girlfriend deprivation as well as sleep adjustment really messed with my social life. Thankfully I didn't get robbed or have to deal with tweakers.



I had the same job for a year or two, but it was at Open Pantry, a local C-store chain that used to exist once upon a time. Getting robbed wasn't so bad; you never feel more alive than you do when there's a gun pointed at you.
 
2012-09-21 11:39:26 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: nmemkha: And I find little excitement in the prospect. Its doesn't matter since it we are fundamentally stuck in our own doomed universe.

Well, I'll stay excited. You go ahead and "meh" to yourself there in the corner.


Keep your math porn. I got Asian midget donkey couplings to watch over here in the corner. Also, you're going to need to wash these walls ...
 
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