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2012-09-20 08:42:13 AM
I guess we're not counting Enterprise as Star Trek? I guess it would kind of ruin the list of all of the characters were from the one series.
 
2012-09-20 08:48:15 AM
Oh Hai Guyz... What's going on in this thread?

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2012-09-20 08:58:46 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Oh Hai Guyz... What's going on in this thread?

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Yeah, this...as much as I like Wil, I'm surprised his TNG character didn't make this list.
 
2012-09-20 08:59:18 AM

Voiceofreason01: I guess we're not counting Enterprise as Star Trek? I guess it would kind of ruin the list of all of the characters were from the one series.


Know how I know you didn't RTFA?
 
2012-09-20 09:24:35 AM
hey now, Seven was VERY useful. Especially on those lonely nights...
 
2012-09-20 10:27:49 AM
I've always been kinda neutral to Voyager and never understood the hate for that series. But then, I only watched the first season or two. Maybe all the suck came later? I may be biased and will consume anything Trek related considering that I even thought Enterprise was okay.
 
2012-09-20 11:23:36 AM
 
2012-09-20 11:36:42 AM
I feel...snarkiness in them Captain...but I'm not sure...
 
2012-09-20 12:04:35 PM
I don't think putting Jake there is fair. His relationship with Captain Sisko was absolutely central to that show. Jadzia was far more useless.
 
2012-09-20 12:10:06 PM

DamnYankees: I don't think putting Jake there is fair. His relationship with Captain Sisko was absolutely central to that show. Jadzia was far more useless.


Jake Sisko should get a pass for one reason: The Visitor. And Rapture. Making the decision to cut off Sisko's visions...but yes, I agree about Jadzia, at least until she and Worf had some scenes together. DS9 had the most solid of casts. TNG had Troi, VOY had 7of9, and ENT had T'Pol as nothing more than technobabble eye candy. Troi and Riker were two of the most useless characters ever seen in the Trek universe.
 
2012-09-20 12:13:59 PM
The entire cast of Voyager? Seven of Tits was *not* useless.

I do agree with the Worf in Insurrection. He kind of reminded me of Norm on Cheers in that he just wanders on to the bridge of the Enterprise when it's convenient even though he's normally several quadrants away...

(Doors to turbolift squeak open. The entire bridge crew turns to see who it is)
Bridge Crew: "Worf!!!"
Riker: "How does some blood-wine sound Worfie?"
Worf: "I don't know. I usually finish it before it gets a word in!"

And Troi was quite useful...
 
2012-09-20 12:18:47 PM

The English Major: ENT had T'Pol as nothing more than technobabble eye candy.


Disagree with this. I thought T'Pol was a pretty good character. The security officer, whatever that guy's name was, was the most useless.
 
2012-09-20 12:28:05 PM
I actually rather like Ethan Phillips as an actor. It's unfortunate that he played one of my least favorite characters in the history of Star Trek.
 
2012-09-20 12:32:18 PM

DamnYankees: Disagree with this. I thought T'Pol was a pretty good character. The security officer, whatever that guy's name was, was the most useless.


Malcom Reed. Though I would say that, in hindsight, Mayweather and Sato take the Useless Cake. T'Pol was interesting in a few of the Vulcan episodes, but early on she was as annoying as Neelix.
 
2012-09-20 12:40:10 PM
list was surprisingly good. I agree with subby.
the list could have been short by just replacing the individuals with the cast of voyger

enterprise was terribad, but but but btu blalock is so hawt
 
2012-09-20 12:40:12 PM

The English Major: DamnYankees: Disagree with this. I thought T'Pol was a pretty good character. The security officer, whatever that guy's name was, was the most useless.

Malcom Reed. Though I would say that, in hindsight, Mayweather and Sato take the Useless Cake. T'Pol was interesting in a few of the Vulcan episodes, but early on she was as annoying as Neelix.


I dont even consider Mayweather a main character. That's how useless he was. He's like Barclay in TNG, in terms of screen time, not awesomeness.
 
2012-09-20 12:40:28 PM
that was nerdy even for a topless robot article...

Also, the vulcan chick from enterprise was hot enough to not be useless.
 
2012-09-20 12:50:26 PM
They forgot Biggs Darklighter.
 
2012-09-20 01:25:16 PM
Ro Laren.
 
2012-09-20 01:27:55 PM

Tr0mBoNe: Ro Laren.


She was redeemed in the DS9 relaunch novels. I need angrymacface to back me up on this.
 
2012-09-20 01:38:08 PM

The English Major: Tr0mBoNe: Ro Laren.

She was redeemed in the DS9 relaunch novels. I need angrymacface to back me up on this.


She totally banged Quark.
 
2012-09-20 01:54:29 PM
All I know is that I would've recontaminated a decontaminating T'Pol, like, 100 times.
 
2012-09-20 02:01:36 PM
What about the Traveller? The aids patient from another galaxy.
 
2012-09-20 02:02:11 PM
I would have put Q on there, as much as I liked him.
 
2012-09-20 02:04:05 PM
The Ferengi were washouts as villians in TNG.
 
2012-09-20 02:04:49 PM
"When audiences didn't buy that a beautiful Ocampa (portrayed by Jennifer Lien, who deserved better) would shack up with an alien who resembled a ginger Mr. T stricken with chicken pox, it paralleled the concerns the show's producers were having about the romance."

Now THAT phrase is hilarious!
 
2012-09-20 02:05:33 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: I would have put Q on there, as much as I liked him.


Some people hate Q as a convenient plot device, but I thought John DeLance was a great actor and loved seeing his interactions with Picard.
 
2012-09-20 02:05:36 PM
Hey subby Seven of Nine had some use, three uses in fact.
 
2012-09-20 02:07:39 PM
I rather liked Pulaski myself.. I must have been about 18 back then, but she was rather MILFy. A bit feistier than Dr. Crusher, with prettier eyes.

Also the actress played the blind assistant to the Medusian ambassador, back in the day.
 
2012-09-20 02:07:48 PM
I object. I LOVE STAR TREK VOYAGER. I have the box set and I literally watched it on my computer dvd player for weeks. I went through the entire series three times and still have a disk in my computer right now. I like the other Star Trek's as well, but I have to admit, Voyager is my favorite. It is the only box set that I have ever purchased.

/let the ridicule begin
//I'm thick skinned (kinda like Neelix).
///Tuvok was freaking awesome
////And the B'Elana/Tom Paris romance was sweet.
 
2012-09-20 02:09:08 PM

thenewmissus: I object. I LOVE STAR TREK VOYAGER. I have the box set and I literally watched it on my computer dvd player for weeks. I went through the entire series three times and still have a disk in my computer right now. I like the other Star Trek's as well, but I have to admit, Voyager is my favorite. It is the only box set that I have ever purchased.


You do know that most health insurance plans cover therapy sessions and other forms of mental care, right? Perhaps you should avail yourself of such services.

/you asked for it
 
2012-09-20 02:10:08 PM
Deanna Troi? Something about her appeals to me.

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2012-09-20 02:10:31 PM
Please explain this quote from TFT...

"If you count yourself amongst the ranks of the dozen or so fans of Enterprise in existence and consider this entry a cheap shot, remember that even the show's producers thought so little of it that they made the series' finale into a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode."

Having only seen the first 2 episodes of Enterprise, I'm not sure I get the joke. I did enjoy STTNG, but everything after sucked IMO.
 
2012-09-20 02:10:33 PM
List fails without Guinan.
 
2012-09-20 02:10:37 PM

Alphax: I rather liked Pulaski myself.. I must have been about 18 back then, but she was rather MILFy. A bit feistier than Dr. Crusher, with prettier eyes.

Also the actress played the blind assistant to the Medusian ambassador, back in the day.


Yeah I rewatched the season of TNG with her, and granted she got off to a really bad start talking sh*t on Data, but at the end, I rather liked her character. She was a total badass. Still prefer Crusher, though.
 
2012-09-20 02:12:08 PM
I've got to be the first to mention the awesomeness of the Doctor?
 
2012-09-20 02:13:15 PM

DamnYankees: thenewmissus: I object. I LOVE STAR TREK VOYAGER. I have the box set and I literally watched it on my computer dvd player for weeks. I went through the entire series three times and still have a disk in my computer right now. I like the other Star Trek's as well, but I have to admit, Voyager is my favorite. It is the only box set that I have ever purchased.

You do know that most health insurance plans cover therapy sessions and other forms of mental care, right? Perhaps you should avail yourself of such services.

/you asked for it




I know. I did ask for it. Punish me some more. (Fifty Shades of .....)
 
2012-09-20 02:13:26 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Harry Kim was useless.

They would have killed him off if Garret Wang he hadn't appeared on some 100 sexiest people list.


They did kill him off. Too bad he didn't stay dead.
 
2012-09-20 02:14:13 PM
No love for I'm just going to be stupidly killed by an alien Hefty Bag?
 
2012-09-20 02:14:17 PM

Bluemookie: Please explain this quote from TFT...

"If you count yourself amongst the ranks of the dozen or so fans of Enterprise in existence and consider this entry a cheap shot, remember that even the show's producers thought so little of it that they made the series' finale into a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode."

Having only seen the first 2 episodes of Enterprise, I'm not sure I get the joke. I did enjoy STTNG, but everything after sucked IMO.


They link to the last couple minutes of the final episode of Enterprise, which ends up being on the holo-deck with Riker and Troi watching historical footage. I didn't think it was all that bad of a scene.
 
2012-09-20 02:15:04 PM
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2012-09-20 02:15:11 PM
The most semi-major character in Star Trek is Leeta.

Her only purpose was to be Rom's hot wife.
 
2012-09-20 02:15:19 PM

d-fens99: Deanna Troi? Something about her appeals to me.

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I didn't find her that hot until the last few seasons, when they started making her wear the regular uniform. Plus she seemed a bit fitter then.
 
2012-09-20 02:15:47 PM

RexTalionis: The most semi-major useless character in Star Trek is Leeta.

Her only purpose was to be Rom's hot wife.


FTFM
 
2012-09-20 02:16:58 PM

RexTalionis: The most semi-major character in Star Trek is Leeta.

Her only purpose was to be Rom's hot wife.


Oh, Basher got to bang her for a year or two first. But we didn't get to watch.
 
2012-09-20 02:17:13 PM

Alphax: I didn't find her that hot until the last few seasons, when they started making her wear the regular uniform. Plus she seemed a bit fitter then.


Exactly the same. I honestly find her hard to look at in those early seasons. But frankly, everyone is hard to look at in seasons 1 and 2.
 
2012-09-20 02:17:49 PM
I've recently started rewatching Enterprise (in the last 7 or 8 eps of the first season right now) and I got to say, I always felt that ENT was unfairly maligned.

Far and away the worst thing about the show was Bakula. He was a terrible choice for that role. A lot of the other characters were underdeveloped and underutilized, making them seem boring also. But at the core they were all good concepts.

I was in the "Oh, it's another titty mctitterson' camp when I first saw Blalock on the cast as T'Pol, but I felt she did a pretty good job actually and really grew over time.

In rewatching from the beginning like I am, I've really come to appreciate even more her being the voice of reason on the ship, calling the crew out on their prejudices and preconceptions and warning Archer when he's farking with shiat he doesn't understand or isn't his business. That was a perspective sorely missing in ST up to that point.
 
2012-09-20 02:18:43 PM
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Buy me a drink?

I'm not that blind
 
2012-09-20 02:19:13 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: I've recently started rewatching Enterprise (in the last 7 or 8 eps of the first season right now) and I got to say, I always felt that ENT was unfairly maligned.

Far and away the worst thing about the show was Bakula. He was a terrible choice for that role. A lot of the other characters were underdeveloped and underutilized, making them seem boring also. But at the core they were all good concepts.

I was in the "Oh, it's another titty mctitterson' camp when I first saw Blalock on the cast as T'Pol, but I felt she did a pretty good job actually and really grew over time.

In rewatching from the beginning like I am, I've really come to appreciate even more her being the voice of reason on the ship, calling the crew out on their prejudices and preconceptions and warning Archer when he's farking with shiat he doesn't understand or isn't his business. That was a perspective sorely missing in ST up to that point.


Completely agree. That show isn't nearly as bad as its remembered as being. Flox, T'Pol and Trip were all very good, and I don't really even think Bakula is that bad. That might just be because I love Bakula.
 
2012-09-20 02:21:46 PM

DamnYankees: PIP_the_TROLL: I've recently started rewatching Enterprise (in the last 7 or 8 eps of the first season right now) and I got to say, I always felt that ENT was unfairly maligned.

Far and away the worst thing about the show was Bakula. He was a terrible choice for that role. A lot of the other characters were underdeveloped and underutilized, making them seem boring also. But at the core they were all good concepts.

I was in the "Oh, it's another titty mctitterson' camp when I first saw Blalock on the cast as T'Pol, but I felt she did a pretty good job actually and really grew over time.

In rewatching from the beginning like I am, I've really come to appreciate even more her being the voice of reason on the ship, calling the crew out on their prejudices and preconceptions and warning Archer when he's farking with shiat he doesn't understand or isn't his business. That was a perspective sorely missing in ST up to that point.

Completely agree. That show isn't nearly as bad as its remembered as being. Flox, T'Pol and Trip were all very good, and I don't really even think Bakula is that bad. That might just be because I love Bakula.


I watched most of the series, but a few episodes into the last season, after some rather good episodes, I suddenly lost all desire to watch more. I'm not sure why.
 
2012-09-20 02:21:48 PM

RexTalionis: The most semi-major character in Star Trek is Leeta.

Her only purpose was to be Rom's hot wife.


Not to mention some funny lines from Quark regarding her appearance:

Quark: [about Rom] He needs a woman with a body and brains.
Leeta: I have brains.
Quark: Sure you do, honey. That's why I hired you. Now, eat up, and then take those brains back to the dabo wheel where the customers can get a good long look at them.
 
2012-09-20 02:22:01 PM

DamnYankees: Alphax: I didn't find her that hot until the last few seasons, when they started making her wear the regular uniform. Plus she seemed a bit fitter then.

Exactly the same. I honestly find her hard to look at in those early seasons. But frankly, everyone is hard to look at in seasons 1 and 2.


Marina Sirtis was farking hot the whole entire run. If I was any of the male cast members on that show, I would've hit on her hard.
 
2012-09-20 02:23:17 PM

angrymacface: The English Major: Tr0mBoNe: Ro Laren.

She was redeemed in the DS9 relaunch novels. I need angrymacface to back me up on this.

She totally banged Quark.


Nothing said so far goes against my point.

Seriously... Starfleet issued hair bands?
 
2012-09-20 02:23:58 PM

DamnYankees:

Completely agree. That show isn't nearly as bad as its remembered as being. Flox, T'Pol and Trip were all very good, and I don't really even think Bakula is that bad. That might just be because I love Bakula.


*shrugs*
I thought he was a good captain. Not really getting the hate.
 
2012-09-20 02:25:37 PM

Detinwolf: thismomentinblackhistory: I would have put Q on there, as much as I liked him.

Some people hate Q as a convenient plot device, but I thought John DeLance was a great actor and loved seeing his interactions with Picard.


You have no taste sir!
 
2012-09-20 02:27:22 PM
Jean Luc Picard and Captain Kirk were by far the most useless characters.

/runs
 
2012-09-20 02:28:31 PM
Without Jake Sisko we wouldn't have had the best episode of NuTrek

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2012-09-20 02:29:34 PM
Voyager is the only Star Trek worth a damn
 
2012-09-20 02:30:51 PM
Why all the hate for Enterprise? I found the first season to be very good, as it's more true to what will happen when he finally have warp drive and the ability to visit other planets. We're not going to be all touchy-feely like TNG, but we're going to shoot first and ask questions later.
 
2012-09-20 02:31:09 PM
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Not necessarily useless, but completely eclipsed by Weyoun's devious awesomeness.
 
2012-09-20 02:32:18 PM

Tr0mBoNe: angrymacface: The English Major: Tr0mBoNe: Ro Laren.

She was redeemed in the DS9 relaunch novels. I need angrymacface to back me up on this.

She totally banged Quark.

Nothing said so far goes against my point.

Seriously... Starfleet issued hair bands
?


My navy would!
 
2012-09-20 02:35:53 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: [subspacecomms.com image 618x382]

Buy me a drink?

I'm not that blind


When can I expect my new keyboard?
 
2012-09-20 02:36:11 PM
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The most useless Star Trek character of all time. Even among a crew as terrible as the Enterprise NX-01, he was the most useless out of them.

For all those that said Reed, at least he got a Section 31 subplot in the show.
 
2012-09-20 02:37:15 PM

d-fens99: Deanna Troi? Something about her appeals to me.

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You like 'em dumb and ugly?
 
2012-09-20 02:40:57 PM

Doran: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 650x650]

The most useless Star Trek character of all time. Even among a crew as terrible as the Enterprise NX-01, he was the most useless out of them.

For all those that said Reed, at least he got a Section 31 subplot in the show.


Useless or not, he still got to bang the cute intelligence operative in the shuttlepod. Tit for tat.
 
2012-09-20 02:41:14 PM
Tuvok, The Doctor, Seven and Suder were aweeeeeeeeeeeeeesome.
 
2012-09-20 02:41:23 PM
I like Enterprise, maybe my favorite ST series. I think the theme song was great, if a little hokey. I think Roddenberry would've loved it. I'm actually kinda surprised it isn't more popular. The Xindi arc was great, even if it didn't mesh perfectly with canon. If there was a season with Shran replacing Reed and UPN hadn't gone tits up, it would've gotten to seven seasons too. I think it would be tied with DS9 if that were the case. Call me crazy if you want. Bakula can't be the worst thing about a series with Reed and Merryweather. Hoshi was horrible too, but the character concept had a ton of potential.

The entirety of the Voyager cast blew, so I don't get why half of Enterprise's crew sucking makes it worse somehow.
 
2012-09-20 02:41:51 PM

Doran: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 650x650]

The most useless Star Trek character of all time. Even among a crew as terrible as the Enterprise NX-01, he was the most useless out of them.

For all those that said Reed, at least he got a Section 31 subplot in the show.


Reed's main thing, he came from generations of Royal Navy officers, and early in the show clashed a lot with the captain about ship armaments and military preparedness.

Merryweather was just sorta there, and got kidnapped by bad guys once or twice. Like the sentient ship repair station.
 
2012-09-20 02:50:13 PM

Bluemookie: Please explain this quote from TFT...

"If you count yourself amongst the ranks of the dozen or so fans of Enterprise in existence and consider this entry a cheap shot, remember that even the show's producers thought so little of it that they made the series' finale into a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode."

Having only seen the first 2 episodes of Enterprise, I'm not sure I get the joke. I did enjoy STTNG, but everything after sucked IMO.


It's not a joke. The finale of ENT is revealed to be a holodeck program of Riker's, set during the TNG episode Pegasus while he tries to figure out what to do.
 
2012-09-20 02:51:23 PM
The one thing I really loved about Enterprise was the MACOs - space marines.
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2012-09-20 02:54:25 PM
But Diana Muldaur was no DeForest Kelley -- with whom she had worked with on an episode of the original Star Trek

Actually, she was on two episodes of TOS - she played Ann Mulhall/Thalassa in "Return to Tomorrow", and Miranda Jones in "Is There Truth In No Beauty?"
 
2012-09-20 02:56:10 PM

Alphax: Reed's main thing, he came from generations of Royal Navy officers, and early in the show clashed a lot with the captain about ship armaments and military preparedness.


Reed sucked. There was an episode dedicated to how no one knew him or liked him in anyway. They had to sort through his poop to figure out his favorite food. Horrible character top to bottom. Even in the deus ex machina episodes he sucked, no one wanted to marry him when they got stranded in the past.

Writers didn't help though, tried to make him and Trip friends when they had already established that Trip and Archer were best friends.
 
2012-09-20 02:57:52 PM
Season 4 of ENT was by far the best season of Trek.
 
2012-09-20 02:59:28 PM
I just finished rewatching The Doomsday Machine. I hope William Windom got a nomination for that role.

He almost did a Shatner chew-job with the role but pulled back nicely when he needed to.

Lovely episode.
 
2012-09-20 02:59:29 PM

puckrock2000: But Diana Muldaur was no DeForest Kelley -- with whom she had worked with on an episode of the original Star Trek

Actually, she was on two episodes of TOS - she played Ann Mulhall/Thalassa in "Return to Tomorrow", and Miranda Jones in "Is There Truth In No Beauty?"


Whoops. Somebody give that blogwriter his notice for not doing his homework.
Bonus: force him to watch amateur non-canon fanfilms
 
2012-09-20 03:02:26 PM
Ron D. Moore should reboot Enterprise.

/wha? article? errr... agreed with some, disagreed with others, completely agree with #1
 
2012-09-20 03:02:35 PM

rorypk: Reed sucked. There was an episode dedicated to how no one knew him or liked him in anyway.


I thought he was all right. Maybe it was his accent that made him cool. I liked the episode where he was trying to disarm the Romulan mine, anyway.
 
2012-09-20 03:07:57 PM

whidbey: rorypk: Reed sucked. There was an episode dedicated to how no one knew him or liked him in anyway.

I thought he was all right. Maybe it was his accent that made him cool. I liked the episode where he was trying to disarm the Romulan mine, anyway.


I think the guy is a good actor, just the character was horrible. There are some bright spots based upon acting skills, and I think he was gonna sacrifice himself during that episode because no one liked him. Could be wrong on that, but pretty sure
 
2012-09-20 03:11:28 PM
It's too bad Jack Nicholson didn't successfully kill off Winn Adami in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
 
2012-09-20 03:14:52 PM
I'll also stand up for Voyager.

Yes, there were big sucky parts. Neelix, in particular, annoyed the hell out of me. So that's a fair shot at the series.

The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

However, the premise (Monster of the Week in unexplored deep space) was excellent, and I always prefer those types of episodes of Star Trek series to the political maneuverings of the Federation.

Janeway was an enjoyable captain, and actually managed to be funny sometimes. The Doctor is my favorite non-human Trek character, and Voyager had the best Q episodes.
 
2012-09-20 03:15:54 PM

Strongbeerrules: It's too bad Jack Nicholson didn't successfully kill off Winn Adami in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.


Ah, but everyone loved to hate Her Smarmyness..
 
2012-09-20 03:17:33 PM
Wow, remember 1995? TNG just ended, DS9 was doing well, Voyager was about to start and Generations had just come out and First Contact was on the way. People sure did love Star Trek in 95
 
2012-09-20 03:20:56 PM

rorypk: Could be wrong on that, but pretty sure


Possibly. Can't say I really enjoyed his bit part in Heroes, though. Haven't seen him in any other roles.
 
2012-09-20 03:23:17 PM

Doran: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 650x650]

The most useless Star Trek character of all time. Even among a crew as terrible as the Enterprise NX-01, he was the most useless out of them.

For all those that said Reed, at least he got a Section 31 subplot in the show.


I never thought that his character was useless, though I did think his acting was terrible.
 
2012-09-20 03:23:55 PM

Snapper Carr: Without Jake Sisko we wouldn't have had the best episode of NuTrek

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AAAAH! The Candyman!
 
2012-09-20 03:24:48 PM

Medic Zero: Tr0mBoNe: angrymacface: The English Major: Tr0mBoNe: Ro Laren.

She was redeemed in the DS9 relaunch novels. I need angrymacface to back me up on this.

She totally banged Quark.

Nothing said so far goes against my point.

Seriously... Starfleet issued hair bands?

My navy would!


She eventually becomes Security Chief at DS9 as part of the Bajoran militia, rejoins Starfleet when Bajor joins the Federation after Picard gives her a uniform and note, and is captain of Deep Space Nine after serving for years as first officer. And yes, she and Quark are knocking earlobes.
 
2012-09-20 03:26:08 PM

thenewmissus: I object. I LOVE STAR TREK VOYAGER. I have the box set and I literally watched it on my computer dvd player for weeks. I went through the entire series three times and still have a disk in my computer right now. I like the other Star Trek's as well, but I have to admit, Voyager is my favorite. It is the only box set that I have ever purchased.

/let the ridicule begin
//I'm thick skinned (kinda like Neelix).
///Tuvok was freaking awesome
////And the B'Elana/Tom Paris romance was sweet.


You're not alone. Show for show, it was the most consistent. There are far more episodes of TNG and DS9 are simply unwatchable.
 
2012-09-20 03:29:25 PM

chewielouie: thenewmissus: I object. I LOVE STAR TREK VOYAGER. I have the box set and I literally watched it on my computer dvd player for weeks. I went through the entire series three times and still have a disk in my computer right now. I like the other Star Trek's as well, but I have to admit, Voyager is my favorite. It is the only box set that I have ever purchased.

/let the ridicule begin
//I'm thick skinned (kinda like Neelix).
///Tuvok was freaking awesome
////And the B'Elana/Tom Paris romance was sweet.

You're not alone. Show for show, it was the most consistent. There are far more episodes of TNG and DS9 are simply unwatchable.


Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
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and
www.imcdb.org
 
2012-09-20 03:30:04 PM
Seven of Nine was one of the most interesting characters in Star Trek and not just because of her tits. Well not just because of her tits. That's what everyone immediately thought but as a Borg who was assimilated as a child and slowly regained her humanity, she was a very interesting character. And in the episodes where she had different personalities, Jeri Ryan proved to be a pretty good actress. She has a nice singing voice too.

The Doctor in Voyager was also a pretty good character. As was the Klingon chick.

The characters in DS9 were the best. There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.
 
2012-09-20 03:33:38 PM
www.starscolor.com
 
2012-09-20 03:35:33 PM
I'll argue for Jake Sisko
His character initially wasn't more than Wussly Crusher 2.0
but by the time the Dominion War was underway, he was the representative of the civilians in the war. He was the eyes and ears, sharing the war stories, good and bad, with those on the outside.
It's not a big role, but one that you rarely see as part of the regular cast.
 
2012-09-20 03:35:49 PM

Mugato: Seven of Nine was one of the most interesting characters in Star Trek and not just because of her tits. Well not just because of her tits. That's what everyone immediately thought but as a Borg who was assimilated as a child and slowly regained her humanity, she was a very interesting character. And in the episodes where she had different personalities, Jeri Ryan proved to be a pretty good actress. She has a nice singing voice too.

The Doctor in Voyager was also a pretty good character. As was the Klingon chick.

The characters in DS9 were the best. There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.


Seven was a good character, and paired very nicely with the Doctor. I think she would have been better if Voyager hadn't completely neutered the Borg throughout the series, though. Seven was one of at least three or four plotlines that had "a Borg regains its humanity". First there was a group of renegade Borg that helped Chakotay, then they had the Borg kids show up.

B'Elanna was terrible. She had potential, but the writing for her character was really inconsistent. It was like they just didn't know what to do with her most of the time.

As useless of Harry was, at least it was fun to see how many ways the writers could torture him. He was like Voyager's answer to O'Brien.
 
2012-09-20 03:36:38 PM

NeoCortex42: chewielouie:
Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
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and
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Other than the Warp 9.5 episode, the worst has got to be when the crew finds out they're actually the copy of the original ship from the Demon class planet.
I mean, shiat, who wrote that? Laziest conceit ever.
 
2012-09-20 03:38:28 PM
List is incomplete without Tasha Yar. She was always advising aggressive action, but Picard would never listen to her.
 
2012-09-20 03:39:54 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: but by the time the Dominion War was underway, he was the representative of the civilians in the war. He was the eyes and ears, sharing the war stories, good and bad, with those on the outside.


Nor the Battle to the Strong.

"More than anything, I wanted to believe what he was saying. But the truth is, I was just as scared in the hospital as I'd been when we went for the generator. So scared that all I could think about what was doing whatever it took to stay alive. Once that meant running away and once it meant picking up a phaser. The Battle of Ajilon Prime will probably be remembered as a pointless skirmish but I will always remember it as something more, as a place I learned that the line between courage and cowardice is a lot thinner than most people believe."
 
2012-09-20 03:40:26 PM

whidbey: NeoCortex42: chewielouie:
Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
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and
[www.imcdb.org image 481x461]

Other than the Warp 9.5 episode, the worst has got to be when the crew finds out they're actually the copy of the original ship from the Demon class planet.
I mean, shiat, who wrote that? Laziest conceit ever.


It was kinda interesting to see them actually follow up on that, though. They had a whole duplicate ship and crew out there.

I'm not sure about worst episode, since it's been a while since I've watched the series. I do remember not enjoying any of the "Chakotay explores his spirituality" episodes. A lot of that is probably due to the fact that it's obvious that Robert Beltran just didn't give a shiat and doesn't hide it.
 
2012-09-20 03:40:41 PM
(And yes, I know that episode was during the Klingon conflict, not the Dominion War)
 
2012-09-20 03:41:40 PM

Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)


I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.
 
2012-09-20 03:43:28 PM

Mugato: There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.


There were some redeeming tits though.
 
2012-09-20 03:45:57 PM

steverockson: List fails without Guinan.


This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?
 
2012-09-20 03:48:40 PM

NeoCortex42: Seven was a good character, and paired very nicely with the Doctor. I think she would have been better if Voyager hadn't completely neutered the Borg throughout the series


Well I can't argue with that. The Borg were an awesome villain they used way too much and took away all their scariness.
 
2012-09-20 03:51:00 PM
Two adjacent threads with people shiatting all over Firefly in one and heaping praise on Enterprise in the other. I guess I have to start growing a van dyke because I've obviously slipped in to the evil mirror universe.
 
2012-09-20 03:53:34 PM
files.abovetopsecret.com
Vibrating musical plants. But they had more animation than Chekov ever did.
 
2012-09-20 03:54:18 PM

NeoCortex42: I'm not sure about worst episode, since it's been a while since I've watched the series. I do remember not enjoying any of the "Chakotay explores his spirituality" episodes. A lot of that is probably due to the fact that it's obvious that Robert Beltran just didn't give a shiat and doesn't hide it.


I've been slowly re-watching them through Netflix. I think the Amelia Earhart one has to be the worst. I mean they find a 20th century ruck in deep space and it runs...I understand the concept of suspension of disbelief but come on. But even the original series had "Spock's Brain".
 
2012-09-20 03:55:23 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?


YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN
 
2012-09-20 03:57:27 PM
Can someone post the list (don't want to click on the TR link since it has the T word).

RexTalionis: The one thing I really loved about Enterprise was the MACOs - space marines.
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As far as those MACO's, why don't StarFleet security personnel wear armor that can handle phaser fire? I remember one episode where the Reptilians boarded Enterprise and the MACO's kept shooting them with their phasers and did mostly jack squat since they had energy dissipating "armor".
 
2012-09-20 04:08:31 PM

ltdanman44: (Sirtis pic)

Achtung Falschung! Diese Darstellung ist digital manipullert. Sie setzt sich aus 2 Bildern zusammen, ein kopf oder gesicht eines Prominenten auf einem Korper des models. Das Bild ist keine Wiedergabe einer real aussehenden Person.


Warning Fake! This representation is digitally manipulated. It is composed of 2 frames; a head or face of a celebrity on a model's body. The image is not rendering a real-looking person. 

/saw those bewbies in Death Wish 3 - they weren't nearly that big
 
2012-09-20 04:11:15 PM

Cythraul: I've always been kinda neutral to Voyager and never understood the hate for that series. But then, I only watched the first season or two. Maybe all the suck came later? I may be biased and will consume anything Trek related considering that I even thought Enterprise was okay.


Voyager was comfort food. You knew you were getting the same thing every time, and there would be no surprises.

After DS9 didn't get the ratings they wanted, the heads at Paramount decided that the main "problems" were the space station setting and the lack of keeping the status quo. So they had Voyager return to the "Problem of the Week with the Alien of the Week which never changes any of the characters or their situations" format of TOS and TNG. Plus they didn't bother developing any of the characters, had more than one chance to get home lost because of Janeway's constantly flip-flopping attitudes, and had more than their share of goofy episodes and plots.

/only episodes of Voyager I like are "Scorpion I and II"
 
2012-09-20 04:12:21 PM

Mugato: Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.


It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.

On top of that, they totally rushed things at the end with the Chakotay/Seven pairing and Tuvok's sudden brain disease to create extra pointless drama.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.
 
2012-09-20 04:15:12 PM

Shazam999: Mugato: There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.

There were some redeeming tits though.


I'll never understand who people go gaga over silicone-infused tits that have lost all mobility and look like oranges were stuffed into them.
 
2012-09-20 04:16:31 PM

Strolpol: Mugato: Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.

It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.

On top of that, they totally rushed things at the end with the Chakotay/Seven pairing and Tuvok's sudden brain disease to create extra pointless drama.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.


Janeway was promoted to Admiral and was talking to lowly Captain Picard in Star Trek: Nemesis..
 
2012-09-20 04:20:10 PM

PsyLord: Strolpol: Mugato: Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.

It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.

On top of that, they totally rushed things at the end with the Chakotay/Seven pairing and Tuvok's sudden brain disease to create extra pointless drama.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.

Janeway was promoted to Admiral and was talking to lowly Captain Picard in Star Trek: Nemesis..


Peter David killed her off in the books.
 
2012-09-20 04:22:10 PM

Strolpol: It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.


The whole time ship thing didn't make sense. None of the time travel in Star Trek made any sense, especially the time travel in the movies. The DS9 tribble episode was at least fun.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.

Yeah, that was messed up. Seven years and they finally get home and...credits. That was almost as unsatisfying as the Enterprise finale but at least they had the excuse that they were canceled. Voyager had 7 years to come up with an ending.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Shazam999: Mugato: There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.

There were some redeeming tits though.

I'll never understand who people go gaga over silicone-infused tits that have lost all mobility and look like oranges were stuffed into them.


T'Pol's were fake. Seven's were real.
 
2012-09-20 04:24:29 PM
Parasites from 'Conspiracy'

This could have been an epic arc story -- Monster battle between the Infected and the non-infected, transcending races, even more reaching than the Dominion War.
 
2012-09-20 04:25:34 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Shazam999: Mugato: There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.

There were some redeeming tits though.

I'll never understand who people go gaga over silicone-infused tits that have lost all mobility and look like oranges were stuffed into them.


Hoshi's mosquito bites were nice.
 
2012-09-20 04:25:49 PM

PsyLord: Janeway was promoted to Admiral and was talking to lowly Captain Picard in Star Trek: Nemesis..


You're Starfleet Command. Would you give her the keys to another starship or put her behind a desk? Besides, Picard turned down the Admiral position in the first season.
 
2012-09-20 04:27:17 PM

The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?

YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN


No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny, comforting. Never mind the funny hat.
 
2012-09-20 04:28:03 PM

Stavr0: Parasites from 'Conspiracy'

This could have been an epic arc story -- Monster battle between the Infected and the non-infected, transcending races, even more reaching than the Dominion War.


They realized that they sucked at visual effects and turned the parasite aliens into the Borg. The whole Invasion of the Body Snatchers thing has been done to death anyway, the Borg were much scarier.
 
2012-09-20 04:29:01 PM

Alphax: d-fens99: Deanna Troi? Something about her appeals to me.

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I didn't find her that hot until the last few seasons, when they started making her wear the regular uniform. Plus she seemed a bit fitter then.


She was at the ComicCon in Ottawa in May, and said that her uniforms were designed to hide her little belly bump while still trying to be evocative. I think she trimmed down a lot (I personally think she was fine the way she was, but Hollywood be Hollywood) and then she was given a uniform to wear.
 
2012-09-20 04:32:21 PM
Nurse Chapel, anybody? The only reason for her presence was that the actress was Roddenbery's wife.
 
2012-09-20 04:33:35 PM

PlatinumDragon: Ron D. Moore should reboot Enterprise.

/wha? article? errr... agreed with some, disagreed with others, completely agree with #1


I'd watch that. Keep the techno-babble low (but keep the established technologies and setting, without the tedious exposition), give it some decent characters, writers, and preferably... on HBO.

/set phasers to fark
 
2012-09-20 04:35:30 PM
Yes, actually After Neelix was separated from KES, he seemeed more tolerable.
If you read between the lines, he began put it to Ensign Wildman in later seasons
What! Ya think he did that babysitting for quatludes and latinum?

TNG had more unwatchable episodes than voyager. And I submit that Voyager's
THRESHOLD was not the worst Star Trek show ever, that dishonor goes to TOS
episode OMEGA GLORY. Atleast in the same category is TNG, Code of Honor

I Might mention that I thought the Voyager Bridge to be Top Notch
While Enterprise D's to be ridiculously plush, and impractical
I dont review bridges from harbor gunboats so I won't comment on the Defiant.

Yeah, it was producers who chose Bakula, based on what popularity.?
He came across as big lovable doofus in quantum leap. He naturally exudes
that aura, and there's not much can change that unless you give him a beard
and some deep facial scars.

So I've heard that Kate Mulgrew come this close to actually saying DS9 is not Star TREK.
but she backs down because the Federation cannot have civil wars now can they.
 
2012-09-20 04:39:21 PM

Admiral_Ritt: TNG had more unwatchable episodes than voyager. And I submit that Voyager's
THRESHOLD was not the worst Star Trek show ever, that dishonor goes to TOS
episode OMEGA GLORY. Atleast in the same category is TNG, Code of Honor


Code of Honor was bad, but definitely not the worst of the show. If it was for the casting of Space Africans, it would be a completely forgettable first season episode. I say Shades of Grey should get the title of worst TNG episode. It honestly would have been better if they simply ended the season one episode shorter than to have produced that horrible clip show.
 
2012-09-20 04:39:24 PM

The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?

YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN


NO YOU!!!


whidbey: The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?

YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny, comforting. Never mind the funny hat.


Start a fan club. You'll probably have two members in no time.
 
2012-09-20 04:46:58 PM

NeoCortex42: Admiral_Ritt: TNG had more unwatchable episodes than voyager. And I submit that Voyager's
THRESHOLD was not the worst Star Trek show ever, that dishonor goes to TOS
episode OMEGA GLORY. Atleast in the same category is TNG, Code of Honor

Code of Honor was bad, but definitely not the worst of the show. If it was for the casting of Space Africans, it would be a completely forgettable first season episode. I say Shades of Grey should get the title of worst TNG episode. It honestly would have been better if they simply ended the season one episode shorter than to have produced that horrible clip show.


Dr. Crusher gets a rose.
 
2012-09-20 04:48:53 PM

drongozone: Nurse Chapel, anybody? The only reason for her presence was that the actress was Roddenbery's wife.


She's not the first or the last starlette to make a career ot of screwing the boss.
 
2012-09-20 04:54:05 PM

Mugato: Seven of Nine was one of the most interesting characters in Star Trek and not just because of her tits. Well not just because of her tits. That's what everyone immediately thought but as a Borg who was assimilated as a child and slowly regained her humanity, she was a very interesting character. And in the episodes where she had different personalities, Jeri Ryan proved to be a pretty good actress. She has a nice singing voice too.

The Doctor in Voyager was also a pretty good character. As was the Klingon chick.

The characters in DS9 were the best. There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.


I agree with everything you said about 7 of tits. Her and the Doctor were the best parts of that show. Not a big fan of Torres though.
DS9 had a lot of good characters, and as others have said, I'd argue against his place in the list simply for "The Visitor".

I liked Enterprise. Sure I had to throw away just about anything I knew about Trek canon, but it was enjoyable. And yes, I liked T'Pol, big fake tits or no. Trip was a pretty decent character as well. The only thing I didn't like about Enterprise were the theme song, the Temporal Cold war storylines and the last episode. Mayweather and Reed were pretty worthless.
 
2012-09-20 04:57:55 PM

Detinwolf: thismomentinblackhistory: I would have put Q on there, as much as I liked him.

Some people hate Q as a convenient plot device, but I thought John DeLance was a great actor and loved seeing his interactions with Picard.


Q was not a convenient plot device; Q/Picard was the whole point of the show.
 
2012-09-20 04:59:38 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: whidbey: The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?

YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny, comforting. Never mind the funny hat.

Start a fan club. You'll probably have two members in no time.


Target practice with Worf.

Guinan and prune juice.

Guinan and Hugh of Borg
 
2012-09-20 05:01:13 PM
images.tvrage.com

Useless? Hardly.
 
2012-09-20 05:01:51 PM

imgod2u: Detinwolf: thismomentinblackhistory: I would have put Q on there, as much as I liked him.

Some people hate Q as a convenient plot device, but I thought John DeLance was a great actor and loved seeing his interactions with Picard.

Q was not a convenient plot device; Q/Picard was the whole point of the show.


The payoff.
 
2012-09-20 05:03:00 PM

rickycal78: I agree with everything you said about 7 of tits. Her and the Doctor were the best parts of that show. Not a big fan of Torres though.
DS9 had a lot of good characters, and as others have said, I'd argue against his place in the list simply for "The Visitor".


Maybe Torres wasn't as interesting as she could have been because they integrated the Maquis too quickly. By the third episode they were all one happy crew, a few conflicts aside. They could have used some more conflicts among the two factions. That's what made DS9 awesome, conflict.
 
2012-09-20 05:09:25 PM

Tr0mBoNe: NeoCortex42: Admiral_Ritt: TNG had more unwatchable episodes than voyager. And I submit that Voyager's
THRESHOLD was not the worst Star Trek show ever, that dishonor goes to TOS
episode OMEGA GLORY. Atleast in the same category is TNG, Code of Honor

Code of Honor was bad, but definitely not the worst of the show. If it was for the casting of Space Africans, it would be a completely forgettable first season episode. I say Shades of Grey should get the title of worst TNG episode. It honestly would have been better if they simply ended the season one episode shorter than to have produced that horrible clip show.

Dr. Crusher gets a rose.


At least the episode with the Scottish ghost rapist had a plot. Shades of Grey had Riker remembering conversations and events he wasn't even there for.
 
2012-09-20 05:19:08 PM
I liked enterprise AND Voyager.
 
2012-09-20 05:25:47 PM
Dead wrong on Pulaski. She was a much better and more interesting character than Beverly Crusher.
 
2012-09-20 05:27:42 PM

Mugato: rickycal78: I agree with everything you said about 7 of tits. Her and the Doctor were the best parts of that show. Not a big fan of Torres though.
DS9 had a lot of good characters, and as others have said, I'd argue against his place in the list simply for "The Visitor".

Maybe Torres wasn't as interesting as she could have been because they integrated the Maquis too quickly. By the third episode they were all one happy crew, a few conflicts aside. They could have used some more conflicts among the two factions. That's what made DS9 awesome, conflict.


While I agree the crew integrated too quickly, that wasn't the only reason I didn't like Torres. The majority of the time I remember seeing her it was usually, "Grrr, I have anger issues because I'm half Klingon leave me alone!" and she didn't seem to grow out of it, ie character growth. Paris kinda grew as a character, but besides the Doctor and 7, there wasn't much character growth throughout the show.
 
2012-09-20 05:30:04 PM

The English Major: Mayweather and Sato take the Useless Cake


Mayweather, yes. Not Sato. She was instrumental in talking to each new alien race they encountered (no universal translator yet) AND.....Mirror Darkly Sato!!!!!

media.comicvine.com
 
2012-09-20 05:31:49 PM

DamnYankees: I don't think putting Jake there is fair. His relationship with Captain Sisko was absolutely central to that show. Jadzia was far more useless.


I think I'm the only Trek fan who found "The Visitor" terribly boring. Tony Todd belongs in Candyman films and Michael Bay splosions. The aged makeup job they did on him was hideous, his voice became immediately annoying, and you end up having two of the most insufferable overactors in the same show.

Useless characters in no particular order:

Neelix - Easily the worst, the ship morale officer and chef. Who at the time had the hottest girlfriend on the show. Given the fact that two episodes resulted in him losing his voice (in one his lungs were stolen, in another Q2 removed his larynx), that should have been a hint for him to go away.

Chakotay - Dozens of Native American actors in Hollywood and they cast a Hispanic? Magua will eat his heart, even 70,000 light years away.

Harry Kim - An underachieving, clarinet-playing Asian who has a problem with women? If you're going to stereotype, at least do it right.

Kes: I didn't see Kes being a throwaway because prior to Six of Nine, her character had potential. Plus that voice...yummy.

Sisko: If he had turned the overacting/over-enunciating (yes, in a previous thread I realize this is his style given his theater days) I might have found him more appealing. He was a badass but overall his delivery ruined every scene.

Bashir: There were only a few episodes where he shone through as a compelling character, and not the ones where the other genetic weirdos were on board.

Major Kira: Yes, we get it, she's a former terrorist who is now a politician/diplomat/ambassador type, and has a lot of skeletons in her closet. The angry biatch attitude got very old, very quick, so much so that the one being who loved her so much to undo an entire timeline and kill dozens of the crew's future generations still left her ass to be with his people.

I liked Geordi on TNG, but as with pretty much 99% of bad characters in Trek, the problem was with the writing, not the actors. La Forge had a lot of potential that rarely got to shine with a good actor, but the continual "let's give Geordi an awkward dating moment" episodes created a bad trend.

Troi was a throwaway character - the quintessential one, I thought, but she was the other hotness once Tasha Yar left, they sort of had to keep her for gender balance.

Pulaski had a raw deal for one reason: Gates McFadden got pregnant and wanted to leave the show. They needed someone to fill the void while her contract was re-negotiated, and I thought she provided a good foil to Data and Picard while bringing something new - a bit of maturity - to the role. In a few of the Trek novels her character got a bit more backstory, but overall I don't feel it's right to castigate what was essentially a guest cast member - same with Guinan.

Given how little I've watched Enterprise, I agree with #1 on the OP; the entire cast could go spit aside from Phlox. He was the non-human who seemed the most humane, and I found John Billingsley did a wonderful job with it. Bakula was horribly miscast and I don't feel the series had enough stability or consistency for the characters to really get fleshed out in the way TNG and DS9 allowed it to develop.
 
2012-09-20 05:39:10 PM

NeoCortex42: chewielouie: thenewmissus: I object. I LOVE STAR TREK VOYAGER. I have the box set and I literally watched it on my computer dvd player for weeks. I went through the entire series three times and still have a disk in my computer right now. I like the other Star Trek's as well, but I have to admit, Voyager is my favorite. It is the only box set that I have ever purchased.

/let the ridicule begin
//I'm thick skinned (kinda like Neelix).
///Tuvok was freaking awesome
////And the B'Elana/Tom Paris romance was sweet.

You're not alone. Show for show, it was the most consistent. There are far more episodes of TNG and DS9 are simply unwatchable.

Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
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and
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I know that it is going to be unpopular to say, but I actually liked (but didn't understand) that episode where Tom went to warp 10. I thought the script was crap, but I thought that he played crazy rather well. But I hated that stupid episode (I forget the name of it, maybe "The 189 or something like that) where they brought back Amelia Earhardt (probably spelled that wrong). That was just stupid. I always skip that episode. Also, there is an episode called "The Chute" where Tom and Kim get put in a prison down a chute. It was just horrible.
 
2012-09-20 05:39:32 PM
Seems like the list of "useless" characters has expanded in the thread.

What I think everyone fails to realize is that not for these "useless" characters who seemingly did not advance the plots of their respective series, there would be no balance to the shows. Think it through: how shiatty would a whole cast of Kirks and Picards be? What if the bridge was populated with a whole crew of Worfs or Rikers? You need an ecosystem of support players who flesh out the narrative.

Neelix bugged the shiat out of me at first. But when his parts were written well I liked his growth. He was a true outsider trying to find a place on the crew. Ethan Phillips, imho, was under utilized as he had chops to act in more meaty roles. Guinon was the (somewhat flawed) conscious of TNG. She was the "ying" to Picard's "yang".

And count me as one of the few who enjoyed Voyager. I don't understand the hate although I suspect ST nerds pretty much shiat on any and everything. Even the stuff they like. Also it was inclusive to a lot of non-Trekkies which automatically means it's the nerds wouldn't dig it. Scorpion I & II, to me, ranks as one of the best written episodes in all five Star Trek series.
 
2012-09-20 05:41:47 PM

NeoCortex42: Mugato: Seven of Nine was one of the most interesting characters in Star Trek and not just because of her tits. Well not just because of her tits. That's what everyone immediately thought but as a Borg who was assimilated as a child and slowly regained her humanity, she was a very interesting character. And in the episodes where she had different personalities, Jeri Ryan proved to be a pretty good actress. She has a nice singing voice too.

The Doctor in Voyager was also a pretty good character. As was the Klingon chick.

The characters in DS9 were the best. There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.

Seven was a good character, and paired very nicely with the Doctor. I think she would have been better if Voyager hadn't completely neutered the Borg throughout the series, though. Seven was one of at least three or four plotlines that had "a Borg regains its humanity". First there was a group of renegade Borg that helped Chakotay, then they had the Borg kids show up.

B'Elanna was terrible. She had potential, but the writing for her character was really inconsistent. It was like they just didn't know what to do with her most of the time.

As useless of Harry was, at least it was fun to see how many ways the writers could torture him. He was like Voyager's answer to O'Brien.


The whole Borg plot line was interesting. I loved how Voyager engaged the Borg and Janeway had spunk. I loved it.
 
2012-09-20 05:43:53 PM

whidbey: NeoCortex42: chewielouie:
Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]
and
[www.imcdb.org image 481x461]

Other than the Warp 9.5 episode, the worst has got to be when the crew finds out they're actually the copy of the original ship from the Demon class planet.
I mean, shiat, who wrote that? Laziest conceit ever.


Oh my goodness. I LOVED that episode. I thought that it was very interesting and a novel idea. Hadn't seen it done before so I thought that it was entertaining. Sorry. I can't help it. I just love Star Trek Voyager.
 
2012-09-20 05:45:17 PM

th0th:

Major Kira: Yes, we get it, she's a former terrorist who is now a politician/diplomat/ambassador type, and has a lot of skeletons in her closet. The angry biatch attitude got very old, very quick, so much so that the one being who loved her so much to undo an entire timeline and kill dozens of the crew's future generations still left her ass to be with his people.


Well, that at the whole "every guy I fark dies" thing.
 
2012-09-20 05:49:26 PM

Ennuipoet: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]
22 by Ennuipoet * FreeVerse Photography, on Flickr


t1.gstatic.com 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHk7ZkbWo4A
 
2012-09-20 05:49:29 PM

boogerwolf: Scorpion I & II, to me, ranks as one of the best written episodes in all five Star Trek series.


Sure, that and Year of Hell. Raven was pretty cool and the one where they were in WWII was sort of goofy but Jeri Ryan has a great singing voice.
 
2012-09-20 05:50:31 PM

Strolpol: Mugato: Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.

It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.

On top of that, they totally rushed things at the end with the Chakotay/Seven pairing and Tuvok's sudden brain disease to create extra pointless drama.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.


I agree with you on that. The Chakotay/Seven pairing was odd and sudden. The way they began the series, it seemed like Janeway and Chakotay would get together. I was surprised. They could have done a lot of things differently, but I love Voyager.

/they could have at least promoted Harry (but Garrett stated he didn't get along with the producers so they kept him as an ensign as apunishment)
//Tom and B'Elana rocked as a couple. She was no pushover and he could handle her. It was good chemistry.
///hated Kes
//loved Neelix
////......and Tuvok
////.....and Janeway

AW shucks, I just loved all of them.
 
2012-09-20 05:51:24 PM
i623.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-20 06:07:09 PM

Mugato: boogerwolf: Scorpion I & II, to me, ranks as one of the best written episodes in all five Star Trek series.

Sure, that and Year of Hell. Raven was pretty cool and the one where they were in WWII was sort of goofy but Jeri Ryan has a great singing voice.


Honestly I would take any of the Voyager cast over Guinan (although Neelix barely makes a pass).
CSB, met Marina Sirtis (also John De Lancie and Brent Spiner but ignored them mostly (sorry Brent)) at the Ottawa Comicon this year. Yeah... the crush I had as a 12 year old came back hard and fast.
/that's what she said
 
2012-09-20 06:11:19 PM

whidbey: NeoCortex42: chewielouie:
Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]
and
[www.imcdb.org image 481x461]

Other than the Warp 9.5 episode, the worst has got to be when the crew finds out they're actually the copy of the original ship from the Demon class planet.
I mean, shiat, who wrote that? Laziest conceit ever.


I liked that episode, and what it meant (they could have explored all kinds of sci-fi relating to downloaded intelligences, twin intelligences, different choices made, the worth of a soul, and the meeting of two minds which used to be one whole) ... but they fked it up by making it a post-script instead of a background story arc. The very end of the show was the most insulting, to me. Those people may have been copies, but they had fulfilling lives whihch they lived as fully and honorably as they could while trying to solve their unique problems and get back to their *own* home......................... they were given no due and no respect.

That episode, it's ending, is everything I hated about Voyager. Don't give us fascinating concepts and then neatly return to status quo at the end of the episode, never to be referenced again.
 
2012-09-20 06:13:03 PM

NeoCortex42: whidbey: NeoCortex42: chewielouie:
Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]
and
[www.imcdb.org image 481x461]

Other than the Warp 9.5 episode, the worst has got to be when the crew finds out they're actually the copy of the original ship from the Demon class planet.
I mean, shiat, who wrote that? Laziest conceit ever.

It was kinda interesting to see them actually follow up on that, though. They had a whole duplicate ship and crew out there.

I'm not sure about worst episode, since it's been a while since I've watched the series. I do remember not enjoying any of the "Chakotay explores his spirituality" episodes. A lot of that is probably due to the fact that it's obvious that Robert Beltran just didn't give a shiat and doesn't hide it.


Chakotay spirituality shows were Magic Indian shows. I don't blame him for not giving a shiat. How many minorities were on the writing staff?
 
2012-09-20 06:15:58 PM

The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: whidbey: The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?

YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny, comforting. Never mind the funny hat.

Start a fan club. You'll probably have two members in no time.

Target practice with Worf.

Guinan and prune juice.

Guinan and Hugh of Borg


PPPHHHHHHHLLLLLLLLLLLLLLBBB!!!
 
2012-09-20 06:18:53 PM

Mugato: Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.


That one had the paradox of what became of the time cop, though.
Sarah Silverman was cute, but what became of the time cop bothered me.
He was just a dude doing his job, going too far because he thought he was
doing it for the sake of billions of lives.

He was the equivalent of the dude who goes back to kill Hitler.

Not explored at all, though, because status quo. He's always ridiculed in that arc, and punished, and finally the ending version of himself claims that the marooned version of himself is irrelevant.

But in his way, he did change things, because the Horrible Catastrophe
He Was Going To Cause In The Loop was averted. But do lives in a timeline simply cease
to be just because you move to a new timeline?
 
2012-09-20 06:20:19 PM

PlatinumDragon: Ron D. Moore should reboot Enterprise.

/wha? article? errr... agreed with some, disagreed with others, completely agree with #1


So....

Q will be an Angel that was guiding Archer to fullfill God's plan to have nothing significant happen?
 
2012-09-20 06:23:33 PM

The English Major: imgod2u: Detinwolf: thismomentinblackhistory: I would have put Q on there, as much as I liked him.

Some people hate Q as a convenient plot device, but I thought John DeLance was a great actor and loved seeing his interactions with Picard.

Q was not a convenient plot device; Q/Picard was the whole point of the show.

The payoff.


Ya no, I'm not talking about anything outside of the series. Q and Picard were the central on-going theme of TNG as a whole.
 
2012-09-20 06:25:02 PM

whidbey: NeoCortex42: chewielouie:
Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]
and
[www.imcdb.org image 481x461]

Other than the Warp 9.5 episode, the worst has got to be when the crew finds out they're actually the copy of the original ship from the Demon class planet.
I mean, shiat, who wrote that? Laziest conceit ever.


That was actually supposed to be a season-long story arc. Wou;d've been interesting, too. Ship slowly falls apart, then you realize that it's the clone ship.
 
2012-09-20 06:45:13 PM

russlar: That was actually supposed to be a season-long story arc. Wou;d've been interesting, too. Ship slowly falls apart, then you realize that it's the clone ship.


Would have pissed off the audience to no end, telling them they'd just wasted a year watching nothing.
 
2012-09-20 06:47:13 PM

th0th: Pulaski had a raw deal for one reason: Gates McFadden got pregnant and wanted to leave the show. They needed someone to fill the void while her contract was re-negotiated, and I thought she provided a good foil to Data and Picard while bringing something new - a bit of maturity - to the role. In a few of the Trek novels her character got a bit more backstory, but overall I don't feel it's right to castigate what was essentially a guest cast member - same with Guinan.


Except the fact that Gates McFadden didn't get pregnant until the 5th season of TNG.

She left because apparently Maurice Hurley wanted some and she didn't want to give it up, so she was *fired*. When Hurley left after the end of season 2 Rick Berman asked for her to come back, especially since Muldaur was very unhappy with her experience on the show and didn't want to come back.
 
2012-09-20 06:48:48 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: russlar: That was actually supposed to be a season-long story arc. Wou;d've been interesting, too. Ship slowly falls apart, then you realize that it's the clone ship.

Would have pissed off the audience to no end, telling them they'd just wasted a year watching nothing.


The "Year of Hell" two-parter was supposed to be a full season, too.
 
2012-09-20 06:52:31 PM

Detinwolf: thismomentinblackhistory: I would have put Q on there, as much as I liked him.

Some people hate Q as a convenient plot device, but I thought John DeLance was a great actor and loved seeing his interactions with Picard.


I liked how Picard always got him to go away by tricking him into saying Yuek
 
2012-09-20 06:56:40 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: That one had the paradox of what became of the time cop, though.
Sarah Silverman was cute, but what became of the time cop bothered me.
He was just a dude doing his job, going too far because he thought he was
doing it for the sake of billions of lives.


That's why the whole time cop thing didn't make any sense. They came in and saved V'ger after the fact but they did nothing for earlier time cop or what the yuppie douchebag did to fark up the time continuum by exploiting 29th century technology.

The biggest favor time cop guy could have done was tell Paris to stay in 1996. He was already a 20th century-phile and Sarah Silverman's character was a lot more agreeable than Belanna (sp).
 
2012-09-20 07:07:16 PM
I liked Pulaski...

I wish Barclay was in the list... he sucked
 
2012-09-20 07:09:05 PM

russlar: Handsome B. Wonderful: russlar: That was actually supposed to be a season-long story arc. Wou;d've been interesting, too. Ship slowly falls apart, then you realize that it's the clone ship.

Would have pissed off the audience to no end, telling them they'd just wasted a year watching nothing.

The "Year of Hell" two-parter was supposed to be a full season, too.


It wouldn't have fit in with the already established "reset" at the end of each episode where the ship would be back in pristine condition for the next episode.
 
2012-09-20 07:59:17 PM
"with whom she had worked with on an episode of the original Star Trek"

Farking prepositions, how do they work?
 
2012-09-20 08:34:41 PM
But Diana Muldaur was no DeForest Kelley -- with whom she had worked with on an episode of the original Star Trek

Bzzzt. She was in two episodes.
 
2012-09-20 08:37:04 PM

d-fens99: Deanna Troi? Something about her appeals to me.

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 694x530]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x244]


Is it her feelings?
 
2012-09-20 08:37:36 PM

rorypk: I like Enterprise, maybe my favorite ST series. I think the theme song was great, if a little hokey. I think Roddenberry would've loved it. I'm actually kinda surprised it isn't more popular. The Xindi arc was great, even if it didn't mesh perfectly with canon. If there was a season with Shran replacing Reed and UPN hadn't gone tits up, it would've gotten to seven seasons too. I think it would be tied with DS9 if that were the case. Call me crazy if you want. Bakula can't be the worst thing about a series with Reed and Merryweather. Hoshi was horrible too, but the character concept had a ton of potential.

The entirety of the Voyager cast blew, so I don't get why half of Enterprise's crew sucking makes it worse somehow.


I'd say it's tied for top with DS9 for me. I dug in to it on Netflix a while back because it was the only one I hadn't seen any of (I've seen most or all of the episodes in the other series), fully expected to hate it, and finished one episode after another thinking "why doesn't this suck yet? It's supposed to suck."

It certainly had the fewest unwatchably-bad episodes, IMO.Even the next two most-consistently-good series, DS9 and TNG, managed to have 3-4 awful episodes (plus plenty of others that aren't worth a damn, but at least weren't "oh god turn it off" bad) in their best seasons. I think ENT's worst season had about two that were that bad.

The much-revered TOS is worse than all three of those in that regard (seriously, how many episodes are only watchable because they venture in to so-bad-it's-good territory?), and Voyager... well, it's Voyager. Its best season has maybe 5 decent episodes, and there are only a couple in the whole series that are actually good.

ENT does have the worst theme song and probably the worst last episode, though. Compensates by having possibly my favorite Trek character of all time (Shran).
 
2012-09-20 08:38:03 PM
My first thought on seeing subby's headline was "You the entire case of Enterprise". I actually laughed out loud when I saw that was #1.

How did Harry and wes not make this list?
 
2012-09-20 08:39:17 PM

fallingcow: Compensates by having possibly my favorite Trek character of all time (Shran).


This I concur with.
 
2012-09-20 08:40:00 PM
Cythraul

I've always been kinda neutral to Voyager and never understood the hate for that series. But then, I only watched the first season

Holy gods... You watched S1 and can't figure out why people hate it?
this may help you
 
2012-09-20 08:40:29 PM

OnlyM3: wes not make this list?


you can hardly call him useless when he saved the ship from destruction in episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, ..... 50, 51, 52, and 104
 
2012-09-20 08:41:56 PM
trek sux! Long Live Wars!
 
2012-09-20 08:43:33 PM

chuggernaught: trek sux! Long Live Wars!


go sit in the corner.
 
2012-09-20 08:44:18 PM
Sybarite

I actually rather like Ethan Phillips as an actor. It's unfortunate that he played one of my least favorite characters in the history of Star Trek.


Only thing worse than Nelix...
www.thespacewriter.com
Someone shut her the F... Up!
 
2012-09-20 08:50:22 PM

Mugato: PsyLord: Janeway was promoted to Admiral and was talking to lowly Captain Picard in Star Trek: Nemesis..

You're Starfleet Command. Would you give her the keys to another starship or put her behind a desk? Besides, Picard turned down the Admiral position in the first season.


Rumor is he made a promise to someone about never leaving the bridge of the Enterprise.....


To me, the most on target person on that list is Worf from Insurrection. Now, I think Insurrection is on the underratted side (certainly much, much better than The Final Frontier) but Worf's inclusion was sloppy at best. But it makes sense, the Worf from TNG was a whipping boy, he mainly grew as a character on DS9. And yet, he shows up in Insurrection, in the middle of a war the Enterprise is apparently not involved in, recently widowed, and he goes right back to minor league, comic relief status. But, if you think about it, the TNG movies were really the Picard & Data Show, with the others mostly filler.

Currently rewatching DS9 on Netflix, I'd have to say the first season of DS9 is stronger than the first season of TNG, thoiugh the show really got good when they got the Defiant. Oh, and Kira was crazy hot back then, her wierd Bajor uniform didn't look very practical, but it sure highlighted her rightous bum.
 
2012-09-20 08:55:05 PM

OnlyM3: My first thought on seeing subby's headline was "You the entire case of Enterprise". I actually laughed out loud when I saw that was #1.

How did Harry and wes not make this list?


Wes was far from useless. His problem was that he was the opposite of useless and saved the ship too often for a kid.
 
2012-09-20 08:59:31 PM
oryx

List is incomplete without Tasha Yar. She was always advising aggressive action, but Picard would never listen to her.

Then you must really hate Worf
 
2012-09-20 09:03:09 PM

Your_Huckleberry: To me, the most on target person on that list is Worf from Insurrection. Now, I think Insurrection is on the underratted side (certainly much, much better than The Final Frontier)


Yeah but in Insurrection, the good guys were on the wrong side. They were siding with a bunch of squatters who were hogging up all the life giving radiation from everyone else. Picard and crew were siding with a collection of assholes.
 
2012-09-20 09:03:56 PM

OnlyM3: oryx

List is incomplete without Tasha Yar. She was always advising aggressive action, but Picard would never listen to her.
Then you must really hate Worf


No wonder he left for DS9 - they actually appreciated him there.
 
2012-09-20 09:06:34 PM
Doctor was the saving grace in Voyager. If it weren't for him, Voyager would not be watchable.

There, I said it
 
2012-09-20 09:08:41 PM

cman: Doctor was the saving grace in Voyager. If it weren't for him, Voyager would not be watchable.

There, I said it


It's not like you're in the minority on that opinion.
 
2012-09-20 09:09:03 PM
whidbey
>>> YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny,


"Because you're a droid and I'm a 'noid".

Yeah. Hilarious stuff there. Can you say "Magic Negro"? What an insulting character.
ST - The original series, we got Uhura a strong, brilliant, competent and accomplished woman (who happens to be black).

ST - TNG, we got Guinan "We keep our brown refugee people down serving the white folk in the bar where they belong."
 
2012-09-20 09:10:12 PM

rickycal78: cman: Doctor was the saving grace in Voyager. If it weren't for him, Voyager would not be watchable.

There, I said it

It's not like you're in the minority on that opinion.


Indeed.
 
2012-09-20 09:11:11 PM

OnlyM3: whidbey
>>> YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny,

"Because you're a droid and I'm a 'noid".

Yeah. Hilarious stuff there. Can you say "Magic Negro"? What an insulting character.
ST - The original series, we got Uhura a strong, brilliant, competent and accomplished woman living prop in the background that never really had anything to say other than "Hailing Frequences open, Captain" (who happens to be black).

"


FTFReality.
 
2012-09-20 09:13:09 PM

rickycal78: cman: Doctor was the saving grace in Voyager. If it weren't for him, Voyager would not be watchable.

There, I said it

It's not like you're in the minority on that opinion.


I'm just glad that Voyager didn't launch a few years later. Could you imagine being stranded in space for seven years with holographic Andy Dick?
 
2012-09-20 09:13:53 PM

Dinobot: I liked Pulaski...

I wish Barclay was in the list... he sucked



Agreed. Nothing turns me off more than a sniveling, spineless, neurotic man
 
2012-09-20 09:14:25 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: fallingcow: Compensates by having possibly my favorite Trek character of all time (Shran).

This I concur with.


I also agree, pinkskins.

Though Garak is a close second.
 
2012-09-20 09:15:30 PM
I saw the costumes at the Star Trek exhibit. The woman who played Kes was so petite.

And whoa to the Dabo girl costume.
 
2012-09-20 09:16:19 PM
Spot was pretty useless. His only important role was when he went Rambo in that episode where space rats overrun the Enterprise-D and eat everybody's clothes.
 
2012-09-20 09:21:18 PM

fusillade762: The All-Powerful Atheismo: fallingcow: Compensates by having possibly my favorite Trek character of all time (Shran).

This I concur with.

I also agree, pinkskins.

Though Garak is a close second.


Oh HELL no

Garak was a good secondary character. His mysterious past along with the help he gave made him one of the greatest reoccurring characters in star trek history
 
2012-09-20 09:24:04 PM

OnlyM3: Cythraul

I've always been kinda neutral to Voyager and never understood the hate for that series. But then, I only watched the first season
Holy gods... You watched S1 and can't figure out why people hate it?
this may help you


a website dedicated to the worst episodes?
it's.. it's beautiful.
 
2012-09-20 09:32:15 PM

Mugato: Your_Huckleberry: To me, the most on target person on that list is Worf from Insurrection. Now, I think Insurrection is on the underratted side (certainly much, much better than The Final Frontier)

Yeah but in Insurrection, the good guys were on the wrong side. They were siding with a bunch of squatters who were hogging up all the life giving radiation from everyone else. Picard and crew were siding with a collection of assholes.


Very true, probably one of the main reasons it was hard to get behind Picard's big, heroic stance. It would have been a more gusty story if Riker and the Enterprise returned at the end with news that the Federation upheld the decision to move those people. One of DS9's strengths was the willingness to 'expose' the darker side of the galaxy, where Picard and Janeway rubbed self righteous Federation morals and values in everyone's face, Sisko got his hands dirty. Insurrection opens with Enterprise and its intact command crew on their way to an archeological dig while Sisko and the others were fighting and killing on the other side of the quadrant,, Worf's appearance doesn't even really bring the "realities" of war to the nice and clean Enterprise. There are comments from Picard and Riker and Troi about how surprised they are about the Federation being involved with the 'baddies' in this.

It would have been a stronger story if the pious Enterprise crew had to admit thier high and mighty Federation had to resort to dirty work when times got tough. But, the movies really are not as deep as the series, not enough time to develop things.
 
2012-09-20 09:34:40 PM
Useless except has window dressing

flyvapnet.com
 
2012-09-20 09:37:57 PM

Dinobot: I liked Pulaski...

I wish Barclay was in the list... he sucked


LOL Wut? You couldn't relate to him? He's doing what any normal male would do if they had access to a visual and tactile realistic solid hologram sex machine.
 
2012-09-20 09:41:48 PM
Enterprise was a good show

www.picanese.com 

www.celebs101.com
 
2012-09-20 09:52:45 PM

Your_Huckleberry: It would have been a stronger story if the pious Enterprise crew had to admit thier high and mighty Federation had to resort to dirty work when times got tough. But, the movies really are not as deep as the series, not enough time to develop things.


Yeah, the whole story was "Hey I'm Picard and I'm awesome and I'm better than you morally". I don't think the audience was in the mood for that.
 
2012-09-20 10:14:05 PM
www.embracingthenerd.com

This guy gave up the Enterprise on a regular basis ...



www.startrek.com

This guy would not.


Picard was useless.
 
2012-09-20 10:14:37 PM
Janeway was twice the captain Picard was. She certainly had bigger balls. Danger comes along and she's full speed ahead, arm the torpedoes. Picard is everybody to the ready room, let's have a meeting. Then another meeting, and then what does everybody think we should do followed by magic science saves the ship and end credits.
 
2012-09-20 10:20:58 PM

Spanky McStupid: [www.embracingthenerd.com image 246x300]

This guy gave up the Enterprise on a regular basis ...



[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

This guy would not.


Picard was useless.


Kirk detonated his Enterprise. Picard simply made the mistake of letting Troi drive.
 
2012-09-20 10:23:20 PM

NeoCortex42: Spanky McStupid: [www.embracingthenerd.com image 246x300]

This guy gave up the Enterprise on a regular basis ...



[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

This guy would not.


Picard was useless.

Kirk detonated his Enterprise. Picard simply made the mistake of letting Troi drive.


Kirk detonating his Enterprise took out his enemies, what exactly did letting Troi drive accomplish, other than destroying another Enterprise?
 
2012-09-20 10:27:10 PM

rickycal78: NeoCortex42: Spanky McStupid: [www.embracingthenerd.com image 246x300]

This guy gave up the Enterprise on a regular basis ...



[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

This guy would not.


Picard was useless.

Kirk detonated his Enterprise. Picard simply made the mistake of letting Troi drive.

Kirk detonating his Enterprise took out his enemies, what exactly did letting Troi drive accomplish, other than destroying another Enterprise?


Yeah, well...Kirk went out like a punk.

Picard was willing to detonate his Enterprise to kill the Borg. He managed to kill the bad guy AND save the ship.
 
2012-09-20 10:36:53 PM

Spanky McStupid: [www.embracingthenerd.com image 246x300]

This guy gave up the Enterprise on a regular basis ...



[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

This guy would not.


Picard was useless.


Kirk's away mission protocol jeopardized the entire command staff on a regular basis.


Picard knew how to delegate.
 
2012-09-20 10:43:32 PM

Spanky McStupid: [www.embracingthenerd.com image 246x300]

This guy gave up the Enterprise on a regular basis ...



[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

This guy would not.


Picard was useless.


What are you talking about? The ship was under enemy control or powerless many more times than Picard's Enterprise.
 
2012-09-20 10:52:56 PM

peterthx: Except the fact that Gates McFadden didn't get pregnant until the 5th season of TNG.

She left because apparently Maurice Hurley wanted some and she didn't want to give it up, so she was *fired*. When Hurley left after the end of season 2 Rick Berman asked for her to come back, especially since Muldaur was very unhappy with her experience on the show and didn't want to come back.


I stand corrected. I was always under the impression it had to do with her wanting to start a family and leave the show.

On a similar note, is the rumor I heard with Voyager true? That the reason Chakotay and Seven were a couple in Season 7 is they threw him a bone because he wanted to leave, as it had been known for a while he hated being on the show?
 
2012-09-20 10:57:23 PM

BizarreMan: Janeway was twice the captain Picard was. She certainly had bigger balls. Danger comes along and she's full speed ahead, arm the torpedoes. Picard is everybody to the ready room, let's have a meeting. Then another meeting, and then what does everybody think we should do followed by magic science saves the ship and end credits.


Sisko had the biggest balls of them all.
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-20 11:02:11 PM

cman: Doctor was the saving grace in Voyager. If it weren't for him, Voyager would not be watchable.

There, I said it


Nope. Not even he could save that vile bucket of shiat.
 
2012-09-20 11:04:57 PM

FirstNationalBastard: OnlyM3: whidbey
>>> YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny,

"Because you're a droid and I'm a 'noid".

Yeah. Hilarious stuff there. Can you say "Magic Negro"? What an insulting character.
ST - The original series, we got Uhura a strong, brilliant, competent and accomplished woman living prop in the background that never really had anything to say other than "Hailing Frequences open, Captain" (who happens to be black).

"

FTFReality.


Considering the times, they were lucky they were allowed to have a female black officer on the bridge at all. You have to remember the cultural context of the Original Series or it looks very racist and sexist by current standards.
 
2012-09-20 11:20:38 PM
true storie.. i actually had sex with troi
 
2012-09-20 11:21:48 PM
pheelix:
Sisko had the biggest balls of them all.
[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 634x489]

Sure, it takes really big balls to sit on a stupid space station.

/God I hate DS9 the most...it's Star "Trek", not Star sit on your ass in space
 
2012-09-20 11:23:04 PM

peterthx: th0th: Pulaski had a raw deal for one reason: Gates McFadden got pregnant and wanted to leave the show. They needed someone to fill the void while her contract was re-negotiated, and I thought she provided a good foil to Data and Picard while bringing something new - a bit of maturity - to the role. In a few of the Trek novels her character got a bit more backstory, but overall I don't feel it's right to castigate what was essentially a guest cast member - same with Guinan.

Except the fact that Gates McFadden didn't get pregnant until the 5th season of TNG.

She left because apparently Maurice Hurley wanted some and she didn't want to give it up, so she was *fired*. When Hurley left after the end of season 2 Rick Berman asked for her to come back, especially since Muldaur was very unhappy with her experience on the show and didn't want to come back.


She was apparently abducted by aliens. Real aliens, in real life.
 
2012-09-20 11:33:07 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: I just finished rewatching The Doomsday Machine. I hope William Windom got a nomination for that role.

He almost did a Shatner chew-job with the role but pulled back nicely when he needed to.

Lovely episode.



I'm in my 40s... but every time I hear that scary music I get goose bumps.
 
2012-09-20 11:41:06 PM
Voyager got really good when Ron Moore replaced Janeway with Edward James Olmos
 
2012-09-20 11:43:10 PM

pheelix: BizarreMan: Janeway was twice the captain Picard was. She certainly had bigger balls. Danger comes along and she's full speed ahead, arm the torpedoes. Picard is everybody to the ready room, let's have a meeting. Then another meeting, and then what does everybody think we should do followed by magic science saves the ship and end credits.

Sisko had the biggest balls of them all.
[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 634x489]


He punched out Q. That's a way of dealing with god-like entities Kirk would approve of.
 
2012-09-20 11:44:30 PM

Hyatus: pheelix:
Sisko had the biggest balls of them all.
[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 634x489]

Sure, it takes really big balls to sit on a stupid space station.

/God I hate DS9 the most...it's Star "Trek", not Star sit on your ass in space


DS9 had the best developed characters, but it felt less Trek than the rest, probably why I preferred it.
 
2012-09-20 11:47:32 PM

Ed Grubermann: FirstNationalBastard: OnlyM3: whidbey
>>> YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny,

"Because you're a droid and I'm a 'noid".

Yeah. Hilarious stuff there. Can you say "Magic Negro"? What an insulting character.
ST - The original series, we got Uhura a strong, brilliant, competent and accomplished woman living prop in the background that never really had anything to say other than "Hailing Frequences open, Captain" (who happens to be black).

"

FTFReality.

Considering the times, they were lucky they were allowed to have a female black officer on the bridge at all. You have to remember the cultural context of the Original Series or it looks very racist and sexist by current standards.


I do. And for the time, Uhura was probably a role model for both women and black people just by virtue that she wasn't a servant or stereotypical comic relief. But, during TOS, she wasn't exactly much more than a background character that said "Hailing Frequencies open, Captain", and even Nichelle Nichols knew that, hated it, and nearly quit the show over it.
 
2012-09-20 11:48:25 PM
The best thing that Malcom ever did was the episode when he and I think Tucker thought they were doing to die and he recorded a message for his girlfriend back on Earth. The scene started towards the end of the recording and it was so heartfelt and emotional but for some reason Tucker looked bored and pissed off at it all. And then when he got to the end of the recording "and I'll always love you forever Amanada." Malcom goes "End Recording." pauses for a few seconds and then goes "Letter to Sarah. Dearest Sarah, by the time you hear this I will be dead..." and repeats pretty much the entire last message to the new girl. He had like six girlfriends back on Earth.
The guy was a player.
 
2012-09-20 11:49:16 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Ed Grubermann: FirstNationalBastard: OnlyM3: whidbey
>>> YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny,

"Because you're a droid and I'm a 'noid".

Yeah. Hilarious stuff there. Can you say "Magic Negro"? What an insulting character.
ST - The original series, we got Uhura a strong, brilliant, competent and accomplished woman living prop in the background that never really had anything to say other than "Hailing Frequences open, Captain" (who happens to be black).

"

FTFReality.

Considering the times, they were lucky they were allowed to have a female black officer on the bridge at all. You have to remember the cultural context of the Original Series or it looks very racist and sexist by current standards.

I do. And for the time, Uhura was probably a role model for both women and black people just by virtue that she wasn't a servant or stereotypical comic relief. But, during TOS, she wasn't exactly much more than a background character that said "Hailing Frequencies open, Captain", and even Nichelle Nichols knew that, hated it, and nearly quit the show over it.


She got to be captain for an episode and saved Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and some fourth dude in TAS episode "The Lorelei Signal" with phasers blazing.
 
2012-09-20 11:53:43 PM

Actor_au: The best thing that Malcom ever did was the episode when he and I think Tucker thought they were doing to die and he recorded a message for his girlfriend back on Earth. The scene started towards the end of the recording and it was so heartfelt and emotional but for some reason Tucker looked bored and pissed off at it all. And then when he got to the end of the recording "and I'll always love you forever Amanada." Malcom goes "End Recording." pauses for a few seconds and then goes "Letter to Sarah. Dearest Sarah, by the time you hear this I will be dead..." and repeats pretty much the entire last message to the new girl. He had like six girlfriends back on Earth.
The guy was a player.


Beards, each one of them.

Reed was supposed to be Trek's first gay regular character.
 
2012-09-21 12:10:55 AM

Spanky McStupid: [www.embracingthenerd.com image 246x300]

This guy gave up the Enterprise on a regular basis ...



[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

This guy would not.


Picard was useless.


i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-21 12:18:59 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Actor_au: The best thing that Malcom ever did was the episode when he and I think Tucker thought they were doing to die and he recorded a message for his girlfriend back on Earth. The scene started towards the end of the recording and it was so heartfelt and emotional but for some reason Tucker looked bored and pissed off at it all. And then when he got to the end of the recording "and I'll always love you forever Amanada." Malcom goes "End Recording." pauses for a few seconds and then goes "Letter to Sarah. Dearest Sarah, by the time you hear this I will be dead..." and repeats pretty much the entire last message to the new girl. He had like six girlfriends back on Earth.
The guy was a player.

Beards, each one of them.

Reed was supposed to be Trek's first gay regular character.


So was Lt.Hawk in First Contact.
 
2012-09-21 12:29:52 AM
verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com

'Nuff said.
 
2012-09-21 12:45:30 AM

Your_Huckleberry: FirstNationalBastard: Actor_au: The best thing that Malcom ever did was the episode when he and I think Tucker thought they were doing to die and he recorded a message for his girlfriend back on Earth. The scene started towards the end of the recording and it was so heartfelt and emotional but for some reason Tucker looked bored and pissed off at it all. And then when he got to the end of the recording "and I'll always love you forever Amanada." Malcom goes "End Recording." pauses for a few seconds and then goes "Letter to Sarah. Dearest Sarah, by the time you hear this I will be dead..." and repeats pretty much the entire last message to the new girl. He had like six girlfriends back on Earth.
The guy was a player.

Beards, each one of them.

Reed was supposed to be Trek's first gay regular character.

So was Lt.Hawk in First Contact.


They always kill the hot guy ;_;
 
2012-09-21 12:50:42 AM

PsyLord: Can someone post the list (don't want to click on the TR link since it has the T word).

RexTalionis: The one thing I really loved about Enterprise was the MACOs - space marines.
[www.thechoad.com image 599x405]

As far as those MACO's, why don't StarFleet security personnel wear armor that can handle phaser fire? I remember one episode where the Reptilians boarded Enterprise and the MACO's kept shooting them with their phasers and did mostly jack squat since they had energy dissipating "armor".


They sorta had that in the Star Trek Elite Forces video game, set on Voyager. Was pretty good, using the Quake 3 engine.
 
2012-09-21 01:15:16 AM

DamnYankees: The English Major: ENT had T'Pol as nothing more than technobabble eye candy.

Disagree with this. I thought T'Pol was a pretty good character. The security officer, whatever that guy's name was, was the most useless.


No, no, you're forgetting Mayweather, the pilot. Though, to be fair, the writers did, too.
 
2012-09-21 01:18:39 AM

rhiannon: She was apparently abducted by aliens. Real aliens, in real life.

  

No matter how I read it...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-21 01:31:37 AM
I knew this thread would be worth reading.
 
2012-09-21 01:38:13 AM

th0th: On a similar note, is the rumor I heard with Voyager true? That the reason Chakotay and Seven were a couple in Season 7 is they threw him a bone because he wanted to leave, as it had been known for a while he hated being on the show?


I've always read Robert Beltran was angry about his character (or lack thereof) but this rumor doesn't seem have much truth since the romance came so late into the seventh (and final) season that he would have had to break contract to leave at that point. Most fans complained that the romance came out of nowhere and wondered why it was such a prominent plot line of the finale.
 
2012-09-21 01:43:10 AM

d-fens99: Deanna Troi? Something about her appeals to me.

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 694x530]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x244]


Yeah, but you have to admit her only job was to stand on the bridge and say, "They're hiding something..."
 
2012-09-21 01:58:10 AM
For all-time usless Star Trek character I nominate SULU:

www.startrek.com

Not only was he useless, he didn't appear in several second season TOS episodes because he was off filming The Green Berets and NOBODY NOTICED!

WTF was he doing as a *Captain* anyway? What did he ever do that Starfleet would think he'd be the best commander of a top-of-the-line ship like the USS Excelsior?

/at least Uhura was eye-candy on a bridge full of dudes...
//sorry George
 
2012-09-21 02:02:51 AM
I know he was normally pretty solid, but I remember watching "Final Mission" and thinking that Geordi had to be the worst gorram engineer in Starfleet.

"Ok, captain I checked out this guy's shuttlecraft and it looks safe."

[Five minutes later => shuttle breaks down and crashes]

"Geordi, we need to finish [technobabble] so we can save this planet quickly and then get back to searching for the Captain."

"No problem, Commander, I'm on it."

[Five minutes later => something breaks so farking bad that they get held up even longer]

It wasn't representative of his usual cleverness, but in that episode, Geordi couldn't do ANYTHING right.
 
2012-09-21 02:05:16 AM

Hyatus: pheelix:
Sisko had the biggest balls of them all.
[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 634x489]

Sure, it takes really big balls to sit on a stupid space station.

/God I hate DS9 the most...it's Star "Trek", not Star sit on your ass in space


First Contact with the Dominion

They were not just sitting on their ass in space

/Bashir's ex-girlfriend chose a ship like Enterprise
//She regretted it because she didn't feel she was doing
anything useful in comparison to Bashir
 
2012-09-21 02:13:58 AM

Stavr0: Parasites from 'Conspiracy'

This could have been an epic arc story -- Monster battle between the Infected and the non-infected, transcending races, even more reaching than the Dominion War.



It was supposed to be a tie-in to the borg, but the writers strike messed that up somehow.
 
2012-09-21 03:17:54 AM

lasercannon: Hey subby Seven of Nine had some use, three uses in fact.


And one more for Barack Obama. Without her he would still be in the Illinois legislature.
 
2012-09-21 06:58:41 AM

Hyatus: Sure, it takes really big balls to sit on a stupid space station.

/God I hate DS9 the most...it's Star "Trek", not Star sit on your ass in space


Would like a word
 
2012-09-21 06:59:36 AM
Try that agin

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-21 10:21:21 AM
i777.photobucket.com

i777.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-21 11:16:08 AM

d-fens99: Deanna Troi? Something about her appeals to me.

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 694x530]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x244]


Me too! Something is nippling at the back of my mind, but I can't put my finger on it ...
 
2012-09-21 11:18:33 AM

Hyatus: pheelix:
Sisko had the biggest balls of them all.
[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 634x489]

Sure, it takes really big balls to sit on a stupid space station.

/God I hate DS9 the most...it's Star "Trek", not Star sit on your ass in space


Balls. Of. Steel.

His first encounter with godlike beings resulted in his being made their emissary.

During a battle with the Klingon Chancellor's fleet he managed to fire off what seemed like at least 10,000 photon torpedoes while fighting off Batleth weilding Klingons with his bare farking hands. The Klingons retreated.

He punched out Q, despite knowing Q that could destroy the entire Federation with snap of his fingers.

He went back in time to save Captain Kirk.

Made good on a threat to poison the atmosphere of a planet, forcing a colony to evacuate, all so he could apprehend just one man.

He falsified documents and was an accessory to murder in a successful plot with Garek to draw the Romulans into the war against the Dominion and was OK with it.

Sisko's such a badass that after Worf killed Gowron in honorable combat, he decided he'd rather hang out with Sisko than become Chancellor of the Klingon Empire.

He fired on and disabled a Federation ship that got in his way.

Despite being a mere Captain, he was given the job of fleet commander in a decisive battle against the Dominion. He won a barrel of blood wine on a bet General Martok that he'd board DS9 first when their combined fleets battled to recapture the station from the Dominion.

He did all of this while sitting on his ass.
 
2012-09-21 11:21:52 AM
bynkii.com
 
2012-09-21 03:10:48 PM
Whelp, looks like those two guys who were oozing jizz over Guinan have shot their wad.

Worst.

Character.

Ever.
 
2012-09-21 03:52:29 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: Whelp, looks like those two guys who were oozing jizz over Guinan have shot their wad.

Worst.

Character.

Ever.


I liked Guinan when the show was first airing because they gave her such a mysterious past that you were always waiting for some kind of big payoff. Q was afraid of her, she had some mysterious history with Picard, and she palled around with Mark Twain.

Unfortunately by the time the show was done, she was simply the magic negro and that's it. Such wasted potential.
 
2012-09-21 04:33:55 PM

pheelix: He did all of this while sitting on his ass.


...and while posing as a Klingon in a pre-battle party, beat the shiat out of a Klingon because he was bragging about killing a former colleague, blamed it on the Klingon getting in the way of Sisko's blood wine.
 
2012-09-21 04:35:11 PM

pheelix: Sisko's such a badass that after Worf killed Gowron in honorable combat, he decided he'd rather hang out with Sisko than become Chancellor of the Klingon Empire.


bwahahahahahaha
 
2012-09-21 07:20:01 PM

NeoCortex42: rickycal78: NeoCortex42: Spanky McStupid: [www.embracingthenerd.com image 246x300]

This guy gave up the Enterprise on a regular basis ...



[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

This guy would not.


Picard was useless.

Kirk detonated his Enterprise. Picard simply made the mistake of letting Troi drive.

Kirk detonating his Enterprise took out his enemies, what exactly did letting Troi drive accomplish, other than destroying another Enterprise?

Yeah, well...Kirk went out like a punk.

Picard was willing to detonate his Enterprise to kill the Borg. He managed to kill the bad guy AND save the ship.


Kirk only went out like a punk because Picard was dumb enough to bring him back in time to drop a bridge on him. Couldn't they have returned to stop the bad guy at any time prior to 5 minutes before the doomsday bomb?
 
2012-09-21 07:42:59 PM

Fano: Kirk only went out like a punk because Picard was dumb enough to bring him back in time to drop a bridge on him. Couldn't they have returned to stop the bad guy at any time prior to 5 minutes before the doomsday bomb?


That was only one of the plot holes in that film.

As for Picard and the Borg, he could have destroyed the Borg and pussied out. He should have been court martialed for that.
 
2012-09-21 08:28:38 PM

Mugato: Fano: Kirk only went out like a punk because Picard was dumb enough to bring him back in time to drop a bridge on him. Couldn't they have returned to stop the bad guy at any time prior to 5 minutes before the doomsday bomb?

That was only one of the plot holes in that film.

As for Picard and the Borg, he could have destroyed the Borg and pussied out. He should have been court martialed for that.


Which part do the Hardliners resent Picard more for, Locutus or Hugh?
 
2012-09-21 08:41:59 PM

Your_Huckleberry: Mugato: Fano: Kirk only went out like a punk because Picard was dumb enough to bring him back in time to drop a bridge on him. Couldn't they have returned to stop the bad guy at any time prior to 5 minutes before the doomsday bomb?

That was only one of the plot holes in that film.

As for Picard and the Borg, he could have destroyed the Borg and pussied out. He should have been court martialed for that.

Which part do the Hardliners resent Picard more for, Locutus or Hugh?


Probably Hugh, since that was a willful choice and not forced upon him.
 
2012-09-21 08:43:03 PM

Mugato: Fano: Kirk only went out like a punk because Picard was dumb enough to bring him back in time to drop a bridge on him. Couldn't they have returned to stop the bad guy at any time prior to 5 minutes before the doomsday bomb?

That was only one of the plot holes in that film.

As for Picard and the Borg, he could have destroyed the Borg and pussied out. He should have been court martialed for that.


And for plot holes in TNG films, none are mightier than the ones that make Picard into an action hero that mows people down. If he was willing to save even the Borg, a species that exists to assimilate and destroy everything else, at great personal risk, why would he go whup-ass on anything else? How was he NOT court-martialed for letting the Borg live?
 
2012-09-21 09:04:34 PM

Your_Huckleberry: Which part do the Hardliners resent Picard more for, Locutus or Hugh?


What does Hardliners mean?

Well anyway, Picard should have been tried for treason for letting Hugh go.
 
2012-09-21 09:35:10 PM

Mugato: Your_Huckleberry: Which part do the Hardliners resent Picard more for, Locutus or Hugh?

What does Hardliners mean?

Well anyway, Picard should have been tried for treason for letting Hugh go.


But it set the stage for Lor's lulzy return later.
 
2012-09-21 09:35:33 PM

Mugato: Your_Huckleberry: Which part do the Hardliners resent Picard more for, Locutus or Hugh?

What does Hardliners mean?

Well anyway, Picard should have been tried for treason for letting Hugh go.


In this case, Hardliners could be Section 31 types or even someone who may have fought the Borg or lost someone to the Borg. Like Sisko. You could easily make the argument that anyone who lost someone to the Borg after Hugh would sure hate Picard(and LaForge,too)

That should have been the reason Starfleet ordered Picard out of the fight in First Contact.
 
2012-09-22 02:32:52 AM

Fano: And for plot holes in TNG films, none are mightier than the ones that make Picard into an action hero that mows people down. If he was willing to save even the Borg, a species that exists to assimilate and destroy everything else, at great personal risk, why would he go whup-ass on anything else? How was he NOT court-martialed for letting the Borg live?


Little thing called genocide perhaps?

The fact that Hugh could be "reformed" and Picard brought back from being Locutus would give anyone pause about ordering the destruction of the entire Collective and the billions (trillons?) within it.
 
2012-09-22 06:08:22 AM

peterthx: Little thing called genocide perhaps?


The Borg aren't a race by any definition of the word.
 
2012-09-22 07:05:34 AM

Admiral_Ritt: Yes, actually After Neelix was separated from KES, he seemeed more tolerable.If you read between the lines, he began put it to Ensign Wildman in later seasonsWhat! Ya think he did that babysitting for quatludes and latinum?


Not Ensign Wildmon. Naomi. Kes was two years old when he was dating her.

Neelix suddenly makes sense once you realise that he is a space paedo.
 
2012-09-22 11:29:45 AM

Mugato: peterthx: Little thing called genocide perhaps?

The Borg aren't a race by any definition of the word.


I wouldn't think a hologram could count as a sentient being, either. But on the 8th Day LaForge said "Let there be someone capable of defeating Data" and bam! He created Life in the form of Morriarty. If it's that easy to create life in Star Trek, it isn't that much of a stretch for Picard and Crusher to decide the Borg were a race, is it?

But I do agree with you, there should have been repercussions for him not putting the hammer on the Borg. Sisko had a similar chance when Worf prevented Garack from blasting the Founders Pool with a bunch of photon torpedoes. But Sisko probably made up for it with that whole winning the war thing.
 
2012-09-22 02:09:47 PM

Mugato: peterthx: Little thing called genocide perhaps?

The Borg aren't a race by any definition of the word.


They are a society of sorts, made up of many races. Sort of like an anti-Federation.

Genocide can be many things, I'd call the death of millions/billions genocide even though it isn't a "race" by your definition.
 
2012-09-22 03:10:51 PM

Your_Huckleberry: Mugato: peterthx: Little thing called genocide perhaps?

The Borg aren't a race by any definition of the word.

I wouldn't think a hologram could count as a sentient being, either. But on the 8th Day LaForge said "Let there be someone capable of defeating Data" and bam! He created Life in the form of Morriarty. If it's that easy to create life in Star Trek, it isn't that much of a stretch for Picard and Crusher to decide the Borg were a race, is it?

But I do agree with you, there should have been repercussions for him not putting the hammer on the Borg. Sisko had a similar chance when Worf prevented Garack from blasting the Founders Pool with a bunch of photon torpedoes. But Sisko probably made up for it with that whole winning the war thing.


Considering that Picard got reprimanded for not destroying the entirety of the Borg, and the Federation had no problem using biological warfare to wipeout the Founders...
How the hell is the Federation the good guys?

And that's not even getting into Kirk, and his policy of "Your paradise is wrong. You need to embrace our values or perish."
 
2012-09-23 12:39:01 PM
FirstNationalBastard

>>> OnlyM3: whidbey
>>> >>> YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

>>> No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny,
>>> "Because you're a droid and I'm a 'noid".
>>> Yeah. Hilarious stuff there. Can you say "Magic Negro"? What an insulting character.
>>> ST - The original series, we got Uhura a strong, brilliant, competent and accomplished woman
>>> (who happens to be black).
...

FTFReality.


Get back in the closet.
www.subspacecommunique.com
 
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