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2012-09-20 03:48:40 PM  

NeoCortex42: Seven was a good character, and paired very nicely with the Doctor. I think she would have been better if Voyager hadn't completely neutered the Borg throughout the series


Well I can't argue with that. The Borg were an awesome villain they used way too much and took away all their scariness.
 
2012-09-20 03:51:00 PM  
Two adjacent threads with people shiatting all over Firefly in one and heaping praise on Enterprise in the other. I guess I have to start growing a van dyke because I've obviously slipped in to the evil mirror universe.
 
2012-09-20 03:53:34 PM  
files.abovetopsecret.com
Vibrating musical plants. But they had more animation than Chekov ever did.
 
2012-09-20 03:54:18 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'm not sure about worst episode, since it's been a while since I've watched the series. I do remember not enjoying any of the "Chakotay explores his spirituality" episodes. A lot of that is probably due to the fact that it's obvious that Robert Beltran just didn't give a shiat and doesn't hide it.


I've been slowly re-watching them through Netflix. I think the Amelia Earhart one has to be the worst. I mean they find a 20th century ruck in deep space and it runs...I understand the concept of suspension of disbelief but come on. But even the original series had "Spock's Brain".
 
2012-09-20 03:55:23 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?


YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN
 
2012-09-20 03:57:27 PM  
Can someone post the list (don't want to click on the TR link since it has the T word).

RexTalionis: The one thing I really loved about Enterprise was the MACOs - space marines.
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As far as those MACO's, why don't StarFleet security personnel wear armor that can handle phaser fire? I remember one episode where the Reptilians boarded Enterprise and the MACO's kept shooting them with their phasers and did mostly jack squat since they had energy dissipating "armor".
 
2012-09-20 04:08:31 PM  

ltdanman44: (Sirtis pic)

Achtung Falschung! Diese Darstellung ist digital manipullert. Sie setzt sich aus 2 Bildern zusammen, ein kopf oder gesicht eines Prominenten auf einem Korper des models. Das Bild ist keine Wiedergabe einer real aussehenden Person.


Warning Fake! This representation is digitally manipulated. It is composed of 2 frames; a head or face of a celebrity on a model's body. The image is not rendering a real-looking person. 

/saw those bewbies in Death Wish 3 - they weren't nearly that big
 
2012-09-20 04:11:15 PM  

Cythraul: I've always been kinda neutral to Voyager and never understood the hate for that series. But then, I only watched the first season or two. Maybe all the suck came later? I may be biased and will consume anything Trek related considering that I even thought Enterprise was okay.


Voyager was comfort food. You knew you were getting the same thing every time, and there would be no surprises.

After DS9 didn't get the ratings they wanted, the heads at Paramount decided that the main "problems" were the space station setting and the lack of keeping the status quo. So they had Voyager return to the "Problem of the Week with the Alien of the Week which never changes any of the characters or their situations" format of TOS and TNG. Plus they didn't bother developing any of the characters, had more than one chance to get home lost because of Janeway's constantly flip-flopping attitudes, and had more than their share of goofy episodes and plots.

/only episodes of Voyager I like are "Scorpion I and II"
 
2012-09-20 04:12:21 PM  

Mugato: Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.


It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.

On top of that, they totally rushed things at the end with the Chakotay/Seven pairing and Tuvok's sudden brain disease to create extra pointless drama.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.
 
2012-09-20 04:15:12 PM  

Shazam999: Mugato: There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.

There were some redeeming tits though.


I'll never understand who people go gaga over silicone-infused tits that have lost all mobility and look like oranges were stuffed into them.
 
2012-09-20 04:16:31 PM  

Strolpol: Mugato: Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.

It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.

On top of that, they totally rushed things at the end with the Chakotay/Seven pairing and Tuvok's sudden brain disease to create extra pointless drama.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.


Janeway was promoted to Admiral and was talking to lowly Captain Picard in Star Trek: Nemesis..
 
2012-09-20 04:20:10 PM  

PsyLord: Strolpol: Mugato: Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.

It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.

On top of that, they totally rushed things at the end with the Chakotay/Seven pairing and Tuvok's sudden brain disease to create extra pointless drama.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.

Janeway was promoted to Admiral and was talking to lowly Captain Picard in Star Trek: Nemesis..


Peter David killed her off in the books.
 
2012-09-20 04:22:10 PM  

Strolpol: It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.


The whole time ship thing didn't make sense. None of the time travel in Star Trek made any sense, especially the time travel in the movies. The DS9 tribble episode was at least fun.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.

Yeah, that was messed up. Seven years and they finally get home and...credits. That was almost as unsatisfying as the Enterprise finale but at least they had the excuse that they were canceled. Voyager had 7 years to come up with an ending.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Shazam999: Mugato: There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.

There were some redeeming tits though.

I'll never understand who people go gaga over silicone-infused tits that have lost all mobility and look like oranges were stuffed into them.


T'Pol's were fake. Seven's were real.
 
2012-09-20 04:24:29 PM  
Parasites from 'Conspiracy'

This could have been an epic arc story -- Monster battle between the Infected and the non-infected, transcending races, even more reaching than the Dominion War.
 
2012-09-20 04:25:34 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Shazam999: Mugato: There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.

There were some redeeming tits though.

I'll never understand who people go gaga over silicone-infused tits that have lost all mobility and look like oranges were stuffed into them.


Hoshi's mosquito bites were nice.
 
2012-09-20 04:25:49 PM  

PsyLord: Janeway was promoted to Admiral and was talking to lowly Captain Picard in Star Trek: Nemesis..


You're Starfleet Command. Would you give her the keys to another starship or put her behind a desk? Besides, Picard turned down the Admiral position in the first season.
 
2012-09-20 04:27:17 PM  

The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?

YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN


No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny, comforting. Never mind the funny hat.
 
2012-09-20 04:28:03 PM  

Stavr0: Parasites from 'Conspiracy'

This could have been an epic arc story -- Monster battle between the Infected and the non-infected, transcending races, even more reaching than the Dominion War.


They realized that they sucked at visual effects and turned the parasite aliens into the Borg. The whole Invasion of the Body Snatchers thing has been done to death anyway, the Borg were much scarier.
 
2012-09-20 04:29:01 PM  

Alphax: d-fens99: Deanna Troi? Something about her appeals to me.

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I didn't find her that hot until the last few seasons, when they started making her wear the regular uniform. Plus she seemed a bit fitter then.


She was at the ComicCon in Ottawa in May, and said that her uniforms were designed to hide her little belly bump while still trying to be evocative. I think she trimmed down a lot (I personally think she was fine the way she was, but Hollywood be Hollywood) and then she was given a uniform to wear.
 
2012-09-20 04:32:21 PM  
Nurse Chapel, anybody? The only reason for her presence was that the actress was Roddenbery's wife.
 
2012-09-20 04:33:35 PM  

PlatinumDragon: Ron D. Moore should reboot Enterprise.

/wha? article? errr... agreed with some, disagreed with others, completely agree with #1


I'd watch that. Keep the techno-babble low (but keep the established technologies and setting, without the tedious exposition), give it some decent characters, writers, and preferably... on HBO.

/set phasers to fark
 
2012-09-20 04:35:30 PM  
Yes, actually After Neelix was separated from KES, he seemeed more tolerable.
If you read between the lines, he began put it to Ensign Wildman in later seasons
What! Ya think he did that babysitting for quatludes and latinum?

TNG had more unwatchable episodes than voyager. And I submit that Voyager's
THRESHOLD was not the worst Star Trek show ever, that dishonor goes to TOS
episode OMEGA GLORY. Atleast in the same category is TNG, Code of Honor

I Might mention that I thought the Voyager Bridge to be Top Notch
While Enterprise D's to be ridiculously plush, and impractical
I dont review bridges from harbor gunboats so I won't comment on the Defiant.

Yeah, it was producers who chose Bakula, based on what popularity.?
He came across as big lovable doofus in quantum leap. He naturally exudes
that aura, and there's not much can change that unless you give him a beard
and some deep facial scars.

So I've heard that Kate Mulgrew come this close to actually saying DS9 is not Star TREK.
but she backs down because the Federation cannot have civil wars now can they.
 
2012-09-20 04:39:21 PM  

Admiral_Ritt: TNG had more unwatchable episodes than voyager. And I submit that Voyager's
THRESHOLD was not the worst Star Trek show ever, that dishonor goes to TOS
episode OMEGA GLORY. Atleast in the same category is TNG, Code of Honor


Code of Honor was bad, but definitely not the worst of the show. If it was for the casting of Space Africans, it would be a completely forgettable first season episode. I say Shades of Grey should get the title of worst TNG episode. It honestly would have been better if they simply ended the season one episode shorter than to have produced that horrible clip show.
 
2012-09-20 04:39:24 PM  

The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?

YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN


NO YOU!!!


whidbey: The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?

YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny, comforting. Never mind the funny hat.


Start a fan club. You'll probably have two members in no time.
 
2012-09-20 04:46:58 PM  

NeoCortex42: Admiral_Ritt: TNG had more unwatchable episodes than voyager. And I submit that Voyager's
THRESHOLD was not the worst Star Trek show ever, that dishonor goes to TOS
episode OMEGA GLORY. Atleast in the same category is TNG, Code of Honor

Code of Honor was bad, but definitely not the worst of the show. If it was for the casting of Space Africans, it would be a completely forgettable first season episode. I say Shades of Grey should get the title of worst TNG episode. It honestly would have been better if they simply ended the season one episode shorter than to have produced that horrible clip show.


Dr. Crusher gets a rose.
 
2012-09-20 04:48:53 PM  

drongozone: Nurse Chapel, anybody? The only reason for her presence was that the actress was Roddenbery's wife.


She's not the first or the last starlette to make a career ot of screwing the boss.
 
2012-09-20 04:54:05 PM  

Mugato: Seven of Nine was one of the most interesting characters in Star Trek and not just because of her tits. Well not just because of her tits. That's what everyone immediately thought but as a Borg who was assimilated as a child and slowly regained her humanity, she was a very interesting character. And in the episodes where she had different personalities, Jeri Ryan proved to be a pretty good actress. She has a nice singing voice too.

The Doctor in Voyager was also a pretty good character. As was the Klingon chick.

The characters in DS9 were the best. There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.


I agree with everything you said about 7 of tits. Her and the Doctor were the best parts of that show. Not a big fan of Torres though.
DS9 had a lot of good characters, and as others have said, I'd argue against his place in the list simply for "The Visitor".

I liked Enterprise. Sure I had to throw away just about anything I knew about Trek canon, but it was enjoyable. And yes, I liked T'Pol, big fake tits or no. Trip was a pretty decent character as well. The only thing I didn't like about Enterprise were the theme song, the Temporal Cold war storylines and the last episode. Mayweather and Reed were pretty worthless.
 
2012-09-20 04:57:55 PM  

Detinwolf: thismomentinblackhistory: I would have put Q on there, as much as I liked him.

Some people hate Q as a convenient plot device, but I thought John DeLance was a great actor and loved seeing his interactions with Picard.


Q was not a convenient plot device; Q/Picard was the whole point of the show.
 
2012-09-20 04:59:38 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: whidbey: The English Major: Old_Chief_Scott: steverockson: List fails without Guinan.

This. Holy crap what was that character all about anyway?

YOU SHUT UP ABOUT GUINAN

No kidding. Incredibly subtle, funny, comforting. Never mind the funny hat.

Start a fan club. You'll probably have two members in no time.


Target practice with Worf.

Guinan and prune juice.

Guinan and Hugh of Borg
 
2012-09-20 05:01:13 PM  
images.tvrage.com

Useless? Hardly.
 
2012-09-20 05:01:51 PM  

imgod2u: Detinwolf: thismomentinblackhistory: I would have put Q on there, as much as I liked him.

Some people hate Q as a convenient plot device, but I thought John DeLance was a great actor and loved seeing his interactions with Picard.

Q was not a convenient plot device; Q/Picard was the whole point of the show.


The payoff.
 
2012-09-20 05:03:00 PM  

rickycal78: I agree with everything you said about 7 of tits. Her and the Doctor were the best parts of that show. Not a big fan of Torres though.
DS9 had a lot of good characters, and as others have said, I'd argue against his place in the list simply for "The Visitor".


Maybe Torres wasn't as interesting as she could have been because they integrated the Maquis too quickly. By the third episode they were all one happy crew, a few conflicts aside. They could have used some more conflicts among the two factions. That's what made DS9 awesome, conflict.
 
2012-09-20 05:09:25 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: NeoCortex42: Admiral_Ritt: TNG had more unwatchable episodes than voyager. And I submit that Voyager's
THRESHOLD was not the worst Star Trek show ever, that dishonor goes to TOS
episode OMEGA GLORY. Atleast in the same category is TNG, Code of Honor

Code of Honor was bad, but definitely not the worst of the show. If it was for the casting of Space Africans, it would be a completely forgettable first season episode. I say Shades of Grey should get the title of worst TNG episode. It honestly would have been better if they simply ended the season one episode shorter than to have produced that horrible clip show.

Dr. Crusher gets a rose.


At least the episode with the Scottish ghost rapist had a plot. Shades of Grey had Riker remembering conversations and events he wasn't even there for.
 
2012-09-20 05:19:08 PM  
I liked enterprise AND Voyager.
 
2012-09-20 05:25:47 PM  
Dead wrong on Pulaski. She was a much better and more interesting character than Beverly Crusher.
 
2012-09-20 05:27:42 PM  

Mugato: rickycal78: I agree with everything you said about 7 of tits. Her and the Doctor were the best parts of that show. Not a big fan of Torres though.
DS9 had a lot of good characters, and as others have said, I'd argue against his place in the list simply for "The Visitor".

Maybe Torres wasn't as interesting as she could have been because they integrated the Maquis too quickly. By the third episode they were all one happy crew, a few conflicts aside. They could have used some more conflicts among the two factions. That's what made DS9 awesome, conflict.


While I agree the crew integrated too quickly, that wasn't the only reason I didn't like Torres. The majority of the time I remember seeing her it was usually, "Grrr, I have anger issues because I'm half Klingon leave me alone!" and she didn't seem to grow out of it, ie character growth. Paris kinda grew as a character, but besides the Doctor and 7, there wasn't much character growth throughout the show.
 
2012-09-20 05:30:04 PM  

The English Major: Mayweather and Sato take the Useless Cake


Mayweather, yes. Not Sato. She was instrumental in talking to each new alien race they encountered (no universal translator yet) AND.....Mirror Darkly Sato!!!!!

media.comicvine.com
 
2012-09-20 05:31:49 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't think putting Jake there is fair. His relationship with Captain Sisko was absolutely central to that show. Jadzia was far more useless.


I think I'm the only Trek fan who found "The Visitor" terribly boring. Tony Todd belongs in Candyman films and Michael Bay splosions. The aged makeup job they did on him was hideous, his voice became immediately annoying, and you end up having two of the most insufferable overactors in the same show.

Useless characters in no particular order:

Neelix - Easily the worst, the ship morale officer and chef. Who at the time had the hottest girlfriend on the show. Given the fact that two episodes resulted in him losing his voice (in one his lungs were stolen, in another Q2 removed his larynx), that should have been a hint for him to go away.

Chakotay - Dozens of Native American actors in Hollywood and they cast a Hispanic? Magua will eat his heart, even 70,000 light years away.

Harry Kim - An underachieving, clarinet-playing Asian who has a problem with women? If you're going to stereotype, at least do it right.

Kes: I didn't see Kes being a throwaway because prior to Six of Nine, her character had potential. Plus that voice...yummy.

Sisko: If he had turned the overacting/over-enunciating (yes, in a previous thread I realize this is his style given his theater days) I might have found him more appealing. He was a badass but overall his delivery ruined every scene.

Bashir: There were only a few episodes where he shone through as a compelling character, and not the ones where the other genetic weirdos were on board.

Major Kira: Yes, we get it, she's a former terrorist who is now a politician/diplomat/ambassador type, and has a lot of skeletons in her closet. The angry biatch attitude got very old, very quick, so much so that the one being who loved her so much to undo an entire timeline and kill dozens of the crew's future generations still left her ass to be with his people.

I liked Geordi on TNG, but as with pretty much 99% of bad characters in Trek, the problem was with the writing, not the actors. La Forge had a lot of potential that rarely got to shine with a good actor, but the continual "let's give Geordi an awkward dating moment" episodes created a bad trend.

Troi was a throwaway character - the quintessential one, I thought, but she was the other hotness once Tasha Yar left, they sort of had to keep her for gender balance.

Pulaski had a raw deal for one reason: Gates McFadden got pregnant and wanted to leave the show. They needed someone to fill the void while her contract was re-negotiated, and I thought she provided a good foil to Data and Picard while bringing something new - a bit of maturity - to the role. In a few of the Trek novels her character got a bit more backstory, but overall I don't feel it's right to castigate what was essentially a guest cast member - same with Guinan.

Given how little I've watched Enterprise, I agree with #1 on the OP; the entire cast could go spit aside from Phlox. He was the non-human who seemed the most humane, and I found John Billingsley did a wonderful job with it. Bakula was horribly miscast and I don't feel the series had enough stability or consistency for the characters to really get fleshed out in the way TNG and DS9 allowed it to develop.
 
2012-09-20 05:39:10 PM  

NeoCortex42: chewielouie: thenewmissus: I object. I LOVE STAR TREK VOYAGER. I have the box set and I literally watched it on my computer dvd player for weeks. I went through the entire series three times and still have a disk in my computer right now. I like the other Star Trek's as well, but I have to admit, Voyager is my favorite. It is the only box set that I have ever purchased.

/let the ridicule begin
//I'm thick skinned (kinda like Neelix).
///Tuvok was freaking awesome
////And the B'Elana/Tom Paris romance was sweet.

You're not alone. Show for show, it was the most consistent. There are far more episodes of TNG and DS9 are simply unwatchable.

Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
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and
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I know that it is going to be unpopular to say, but I actually liked (but didn't understand) that episode where Tom went to warp 10. I thought the script was crap, but I thought that he played crazy rather well. But I hated that stupid episode (I forget the name of it, maybe "The 189 or something like that) where they brought back Amelia Earhardt (probably spelled that wrong). That was just stupid. I always skip that episode. Also, there is an episode called "The Chute" where Tom and Kim get put in a prison down a chute. It was just horrible.
 
2012-09-20 05:39:32 PM  
Seems like the list of "useless" characters has expanded in the thread.

What I think everyone fails to realize is that not for these "useless" characters who seemingly did not advance the plots of their respective series, there would be no balance to the shows. Think it through: how shiatty would a whole cast of Kirks and Picards be? What if the bridge was populated with a whole crew of Worfs or Rikers? You need an ecosystem of support players who flesh out the narrative.

Neelix bugged the shiat out of me at first. But when his parts were written well I liked his growth. He was a true outsider trying to find a place on the crew. Ethan Phillips, imho, was under utilized as he had chops to act in more meaty roles. Guinon was the (somewhat flawed) conscious of TNG. She was the "ying" to Picard's "yang".

And count me as one of the few who enjoyed Voyager. I don't understand the hate although I suspect ST nerds pretty much shiat on any and everything. Even the stuff they like. Also it was inclusive to a lot of non-Trekkies which automatically means it's the nerds wouldn't dig it. Scorpion I & II, to me, ranks as one of the best written episodes in all five Star Trek series.
 
2012-09-20 05:41:47 PM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: Seven of Nine was one of the most interesting characters in Star Trek and not just because of her tits. Well not just because of her tits. That's what everyone immediately thought but as a Borg who was assimilated as a child and slowly regained her humanity, she was a very interesting character. And in the episodes where she had different personalities, Jeri Ryan proved to be a pretty good actress. She has a nice singing voice too.

The Doctor in Voyager was also a pretty good character. As was the Klingon chick.

The characters in DS9 were the best. There were no redeeming characters in Enterprise.

Seven was a good character, and paired very nicely with the Doctor. I think she would have been better if Voyager hadn't completely neutered the Borg throughout the series, though. Seven was one of at least three or four plotlines that had "a Borg regains its humanity". First there was a group of renegade Borg that helped Chakotay, then they had the Borg kids show up.

B'Elanna was terrible. She had potential, but the writing for her character was really inconsistent. It was like they just didn't know what to do with her most of the time.

As useless of Harry was, at least it was fun to see how many ways the writers could torture him. He was like Voyager's answer to O'Brien.


The whole Borg plot line was interesting. I loved how Voyager engaged the Borg and Janeway had spunk. I loved it.
 
2012-09-20 05:43:53 PM  

whidbey: NeoCortex42: chewielouie:
Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
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and
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Other than the Warp 9.5 episode, the worst has got to be when the crew finds out they're actually the copy of the original ship from the Demon class planet.
I mean, shiat, who wrote that? Laziest conceit ever.


Oh my goodness. I LOVED that episode. I thought that it was very interesting and a novel idea. Hadn't seen it done before so I thought that it was entertaining. Sorry. I can't help it. I just love Star Trek Voyager.
 
2012-09-20 05:45:17 PM  

th0th:

Major Kira: Yes, we get it, she's a former terrorist who is now a politician/diplomat/ambassador type, and has a lot of skeletons in her closet. The angry biatch attitude got very old, very quick, so much so that the one being who loved her so much to undo an entire timeline and kill dozens of the crew's future generations still left her ass to be with his people.


Well, that at the whole "every guy I fark dies" thing.
 
2012-09-20 05:49:26 PM  

Ennuipoet: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]
22 by Ennuipoet * FreeVerse Photography, on Flickr


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHk7ZkbWo4A
 
2012-09-20 05:49:29 PM  

boogerwolf: Scorpion I & II, to me, ranks as one of the best written episodes in all five Star Trek series.


Sure, that and Year of Hell. Raven was pretty cool and the one where they were in WWII was sort of goofy but Jeri Ryan has a great singing voice.
 
2012-09-20 05:50:31 PM  

Strolpol: Mugato: Strolpol: The finale is, likewise, pretty awful (LOL, let's ignore our previously established rules against time shenanigans to use those to get Voyager home!)

I think that was sort of the point, they established early on that Janeway hated the thought of time travel paradoxes but over the years she became such a psycho biatch about getting everyone home that she didn't care. How do the time cops figure into all that? Who knows. That was another cool episode, where they go back to 1996 and meet Sarah Silverman. I was actually at Griffith Park when they shot that. Didn't get to meet Sarah though.

It pissed me off because Voyager spent more than a few episodes establishing the existence of the timeship Relativity in the distant future, and their job of stopping time shenanigans. The finale might have worked if they had cameo'd them and explained their inaction, but they didn't.

On top of that, they totally rushed things at the end with the Chakotay/Seven pairing and Tuvok's sudden brain disease to create extra pointless drama.

The main sin it commits is that it also doesn't end satisfactorily. They pop out of the wormhole and then fade to black as they head towards earth. I wanted a debriefing, and seeing the characters meet up with their friends and relatives. It would have been so satisfying to see Tom meet his dad in person again.


I agree with you on that. The Chakotay/Seven pairing was odd and sudden. The way they began the series, it seemed like Janeway and Chakotay would get together. I was surprised. They could have done a lot of things differently, but I love Voyager.

/they could have at least promoted Harry (but Garrett stated he didn't get along with the producers so they kept him as an ensign as apunishment)
//Tom and B'Elana rocked as a couple. She was no pushover and he could handle her. It was good chemistry.
///hated Kes
//loved Neelix
////......and Tuvok
////.....and Janeway

AW shucks, I just loved all of them.
 
2012-09-20 05:51:24 PM  
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2012-09-20 06:07:09 PM  

Mugato: boogerwolf: Scorpion I & II, to me, ranks as one of the best written episodes in all five Star Trek series.

Sure, that and Year of Hell. Raven was pretty cool and the one where they were in WWII was sort of goofy but Jeri Ryan has a great singing voice.


Honestly I would take any of the Voyager cast over Guinan (although Neelix barely makes a pass).
CSB, met Marina Sirtis (also John De Lancie and Brent Spiner but ignored them mostly (sorry Brent)) at the Ottawa Comicon this year. Yeah... the crush I had as a 12 year old came back hard and fast.
/that's what she said
 
2012-09-20 06:11:19 PM  

whidbey: NeoCortex42: chewielouie:
Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
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and
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Other than the Warp 9.5 episode, the worst has got to be when the crew finds out they're actually the copy of the original ship from the Demon class planet.
I mean, shiat, who wrote that? Laziest conceit ever.


I liked that episode, and what it meant (they could have explored all kinds of sci-fi relating to downloaded intelligences, twin intelligences, different choices made, the worth of a soul, and the meeting of two minds which used to be one whole) ... but they fked it up by making it a post-script instead of a background story arc. The very end of the show was the most insulting, to me. Those people may have been copies, but they had fulfilling lives whihch they lived as fully and honorably as they could while trying to solve their unique problems and get back to their *own* home......................... they were given no due and no respect.

That episode, it's ending, is everything I hated about Voyager. Don't give us fascinating concepts and then neatly return to status quo at the end of the episode, never to be referenced again.
 
2012-09-20 06:13:03 PM  

NeoCortex42: whidbey: NeoCortex42: chewielouie:
Voyager sure was consistent. It was mostly mediocre, but when it went bad we got:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]
and
[www.imcdb.org image 481x461]

Other than the Warp 9.5 episode, the worst has got to be when the crew finds out they're actually the copy of the original ship from the Demon class planet.
I mean, shiat, who wrote that? Laziest conceit ever.

It was kinda interesting to see them actually follow up on that, though. They had a whole duplicate ship and crew out there.

I'm not sure about worst episode, since it's been a while since I've watched the series. I do remember not enjoying any of the "Chakotay explores his spirituality" episodes. A lot of that is probably due to the fact that it's obvious that Robert Beltran just didn't give a shiat and doesn't hide it.


Chakotay spirituality shows were Magic Indian shows. I don't blame him for not giving a shiat. How many minorities were on the writing staff?
 
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