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2012-09-20 09:15:25 AM
That's a weird way to spell "contempt."
 
2012-09-20 09:22:12 AM

Diogenes: That's a weird way to spell "contempt."


We save that word for Congress, more apt
 
2012-09-20 09:39:59 AM
Well, it rhymes with hope anywaty.
 
2012-09-20 09:40:39 AM
Unless we get filibuster proofed and win the House, it won't matter.. The repuglicons will spend four years trying to destroy the Nation for a political result. This amounts to treason. What's the punishment for Treason under the Constitution they so do love to interpret literally? Hint, it used to involve a rope.
 
2012-09-20 09:44:04 AM
I really hope Warren wins. She strikes me as a genuine statesman/woman who has a true desire to serve the country and is more than capable of doing so.
 
2012-09-20 09:45:27 AM
Heard some guy on NPR this morning say he wouldn't vote for Warren because, although she's lived in Massachusetts for 20 years, she's originally from Oklahoma and in Mass. they "don't like outsiders".

What an asshole!
 
2012-09-20 09:47:12 AM
Nate Silver just started his Senate prediction model. He now has the Democrats at a 79% chance of having a majority and is guessing that they will have 52 seats (most likely including Angus King as a Democratic caucus member). It's going to be a very long, very sad, and VERY angry November for the Republicans. And they only have themselves to blame.
 
2012-09-20 09:51:47 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Heard some guy on NPR this morning say he wouldn't vote for Warren because, although she's lived in Massachusetts for 20 years, she's originally from Oklahoma and in Mass. they "don't like outsiders".

What an asshole!


We call ourselves "Massholes" but yeah, I live with one of those people. My dad keeps going on about how she's a carpet-bagger. I have tried but I can't convince him otherwise. Something about how they didn't have an actual primary and just gave her the nomination.
 
2012-09-20 09:51:47 AM
Right now, the trend is going Democratic to the point that the house is even starting to look like it might be in play. Which, if true, is amazing.
 
2012-09-20 09:52:47 AM

FooDog: I really hope Warren wins. She strikes me as a genuine statesman/woman who has a true desire to serve the country and is more than capable of doing so.


She will make an OUTSTANDING President 4.5 years from now.
 
2012-09-20 09:53:44 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Heard some guy on NPR this morning say he wouldn't vote for Warren because, although she's lived in Massachusetts for 20 years, she's originally from Oklahoma and in Mass. they "don't like outsiders".

What an asshole!


If you heard this on NPR, it was most likely collected from someone at WBUR within Boston's borders. I would guess it was someone from Charlestown or Southie. These are the two neighborhoods in Boston that still see themselves as the center of the world even as their clannish approach to life fades away.

Eastern Massachusetts as a whole (I won't speak for the sticklands out west) has very little dislike for outsiders. If we did, it would complicate the whole higher education industry thing.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-09-20 09:53:45 AM

Serious Black: Nate Silver just started his Senate prediction model. He now has the Democrats at a 79% chance of having a majority and is guessing that they will have 52 seats (most likely including Angus King as a Democratic caucus member). It's going to be a very long, very sad, and VERY angry November for the Republicans. And they only have themselves to blame.


If that happens, is there any scenario that doesn't involve continued record high filibusters on anything that isn't rubber-stamped as unanimously supported by the GOP (which they then blame the left for)?
 
2012-09-20 09:53:51 AM
The GOP has no problem's filibustering out of pure political spite at the peril of our economy and citizens.....the democrats won't win enough to stop this. 4 more years of obstructionism, anti-intellectualism, and bigotry. Hate motivates the GOP base.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-09-20 09:54:42 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: FooDog: I really hope Warren wins. She strikes me as a genuine statesman/woman who has a true desire to serve the country and is more than capable of doing so.

She will make an OUTSTANDING President 4.5 years from now.


I agree. Not that she'll get the votes, but she would.
 
2012-09-20 09:56:08 AM
sternsuperfans.com
 
2012-09-20 09:56:53 AM
This isn't a big surprise. Most liberals (myself included) didn't get involved in the runup to the conventions because, well, because we knew who was going to get the nomination. But now that Obama is in the short stretch to the election, I think you'll see more people who are Obama voters increase donations and volunteer time.
 
2012-09-20 09:57:03 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: FooDog: I really hope Warren wins. She strikes me as a genuine statesman/woman who has a true desire to serve the country and is more than capable of doing so.

She will make an OUTSTANDING President 4.5 years from now.


But she told a family story about her being part Native American, when she only has the same amount of Native American blood in her as the chief of the Cherokee. Obviously, she'd be worse than Hitler.
 
2012-09-20 09:57:42 AM
than
 
2012-09-20 09:57:57 AM

MartinD-35: Unless we get filibuster proofed and win the House, it won't matter.. The repuglicons will spend four years trying to destroy the Nation for a political result. This amounts to treason. What's the punishment for Treason under the Constitution they so do love to interpret literally? Hint, it used to involve a rope.



Article 3, Section 3 of the United States Constitution. :

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
 
2012-09-20 09:58:36 AM

somedude210: My dad keeps going on about how she's a carpet-bagger.


What did that make Romney when he ran for the Senate and governorship?
 
2012-09-20 09:58:54 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Heard some guy on NPR this morning say he wouldn't vote for Warren because, although she's lived in Massachusetts for 20 years, she's originally from Oklahoma and in Mass. they "don't like outsiders".

What an asshole!


Likely from Southie... I've lived in MA the majority of my life and this is just not the case. We don't like morons is all and she is most certainly NOT one of those.
 
2012-09-20 09:59:47 AM

Ruinous Works: Rev. Skarekroe: Heard some guy on NPR this morning say he wouldn't vote for Warren because, although she's lived in Massachusetts for 20 years, she's originally from Oklahoma and in Mass. they "don't like outsiders".

What an asshole!

If you heard this on NPR, it was most likely collected from someone at WBUR within Boston's borders. I would guess it was someone from Charlestown or Southie. These are the two neighborhoods in Boston that still see themselves as the center of the world even as their clannish approach to life fades away.

Eastern Massachusetts as a whole (I won't speak for the sticklands out west) has very little dislike for outsiders. If we did, it would complicate the whole higher education industry thing.


Was going to say this. Biotech, healthcare, higher education, etc. -- eastern MA is not at all unfriendly to outsiders.
 
2012-09-20 10:00:35 AM

Diogenes: somedude210: My dad keeps going on about how she's a carpet-bagger.

What did that make Romney when he ran for the Senate and governorship?


he had a house here so that makes everything alright.

fark if I know, he's gone too far right these last 4 years

/But I voted for Obama the first time!!
 
2012-09-20 10:00:48 AM

DGS: Serious Black: Nate Silver just started his Senate prediction model. He now has the Democrats at a 79% chance of having a majority and is guessing that they will have 52 seats (most likely including Angus King as a Democratic caucus member). It's going to be a very long, very sad, and VERY angry November for the Republicans. And they only have themselves to blame.

If that happens, is there any scenario that doesn't involve continued record high filibusters on anything that isn't rubber-stamped as unanimously supported by the GOP (which they then blame the left for)?


Harry Reid has said he wants to reform the filibuster. How exactly, no one knows quite yet. But he would have an opportunity at the beginning of the session to get a rules change passed with only 51 votes. I think after the last four years, they will get it done this time, even if it means the GOP will be able to benefit from those reforms at some point in the future.
 
2012-09-20 10:00:56 AM
This is the thread I've been waiting for. Obama's had it in the bag for a while now. I'm more interested in If he'll be allowed to do anything with the next four years.
/Not that he hasn't accomplished quite a bit
//Tired of Rs cockblocking at every turn
///SLASHIES!
 
2012-09-20 10:01:00 AM

Serious Black: Nate Silver just started his Senate prediction model. He now has the Democrats at a 79% chance of having a majority and is guessing that they will have 52 seats (most likely including Angus King as a Democratic caucus member). It's going to be a very long, very sad, and VERY angry November for the Republicans. And they only have themselves to blame.


But Republicans are never to blame for anything.
 
2012-09-20 10:01:20 AM
Wow that's amazing! The Democrats might regain control of the Senate. Now Obama will be able to get his entire agenda passed. Hooray!!!!
 
2012-09-20 10:02:18 AM
Every 2 years from now on, we as American patriots will ask ourselves "Do we want a society where Big Brother is watching to see if you're purchasing too many coat hangers from Target?" And every 2 years, due to increasing birth rates in unsavory, uneducated, unwashed parts of the country, we as a society will answer in the affirmative.
 
2012-09-20 10:02:42 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Rev. Skarekroe: Heard some guy on NPR this morning say he wouldn't vote for Warren because, although she's lived in Massachusetts for 20 years, she's originally from Oklahoma and in Mass. they "don't like outsiders".

What an asshole!

Likely from Southie... I've lived in MA the majority of my life and this is just not the case. We don't like morons is all and she is most certainly NOT one of those.


I would like to point out that I live in SE MA and you'd be amazed how much this exists. My father, strangely enough, is not the only one.

/can't wait to move out
//my mother, however, is a bleeding heart liberal
///best friend works for the Warren campaign
 
2012-09-20 10:03:18 AM
I really would like to see the Democrats hold all three houses. Getting really sick & tired of seeing civilization being ground to a halt every other week because Mitch "The Talking Turtle" McConnell has another grain of sand up his vay-jay.
 
2012-09-20 10:03:30 AM

Serious Black: Nate Silver just started his Senate prediction model. He now has the Democrats at a 79% chance of having a majority and is guessing that they will have 52 seats (most likely including Angus King as a Democratic caucus member). It's going to be a very long, very sad, and VERY angry November for the Republicans. And they only have themselves to blame.


Why? With only 47 seats, the GOP outrage machine can keep chugging at Full Derp through 2016 and they can still filibuster Post Office namings until the FDA decides to stop studying the toxicity of squirrel shiat and the EPA stops hamstringing poor mining conglomerates into responsible disposal of geologic "waste".

If they got a presidency or the Senate, they'd actually have to do something. If they keep the House (and I have no idea how that's still possible; America is weird), they can still send "A Bill to Herp Obama's Job-Killing Derp, Which has Cost Potato Jobs While Requiring Government-Funded Gay Terrorist Abortions" to die in the Senate and can still thump tables in their home districts because the damn Kenyans are being racists and not allowing the White Man's Legislature to read a Birf Sertifikit.
 
2012-09-20 10:05:40 AM

KushanMadman: Right now, the trend is going Democratic to the point that the house is even starting to look like it might be in play. Which, if true, is amazing.


2010 was a national disaster. Maybe enough people realize that now. Government needs to function.
 
2012-09-20 10:06:18 AM

FooDog: I really hope Warren wins. She strikes me as a genuine statesman/woman who has a true desire to serve the country and is more than capable of doing so.


She'll have to vacate the seat when she runs for President or is picked as someone's VP nominee and ultimately wins. I'm honestly not sure which will come first though. Either way it's a good problem to have.

beefoe: Wow that's amazing! The Democrats might regain control of the Senate. Now Obama will be able to get his entire agenda passed. Hooray!!!!


RETAINING control of the Senate is important, given the fact it will greatly assist Obama in getting through what will likely be 2 more Supreme Court nominees. Three if we're lucky and an anvil falls on Scalia.
 
2012-09-20 10:07:05 AM

Diogenes: somedude210: My dad keeps going on about how she's a carpet-bagger.

What did that make Romney when he ran for the Senate and governorship?


hey he was living in his son's basement.
 
2012-09-20 10:07:16 AM

Dr Dreidel: Serious Black: Nate Silver just started his Senate prediction model. He now has the Democrats at a 79% chance of having a majority and is guessing that they will have 52 seats (most likely including Angus King as a Democratic caucus member). It's going to be a very long, very sad, and VERY angry November for the Republicans. And they only have themselves to blame.

Why? With only 47 seats, the GOP outrage machine can keep chugging at Full Derp through 2016 and they can still filibuster Post Office namings until the FDA decides to stop studying the toxicity of squirrel shiat and the EPA stops hamstringing poor mining conglomerates into responsible disposal of geologic "waste".

If they got a presidency or the Senate, they'd actually have to do something. If they keep the House (and I have no idea how that's still possible; America is weird), they can still send "A Bill to Herp Obama's Job-Killing Derp, Which has Cost Potato Jobs While Requiring Government-Funded Gay Terrorist Abortions" to die in the Senate and can still thump tables in their home districts because the damn Kenyans are being racists and not allowing the White Man's Legislature to read a Birf Sertifikit.




I really think Reid will get rid of the cloture vote nonsense if the Democrats have a good showing in November.
 
2012-09-20 10:07:47 AM
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2012-09-20 10:08:32 AM

LordJiro: RumsfeldsReplacement: FooDog: I really hope Warren wins. She strikes me as a genuine statesman/woman who has a true desire to serve the country and is more than capable of doing so.

She will make an OUTSTANDING President 4.5 years from now.

But she told a family story about her being part Native American, when she only has the same amount of Native American blood in her as the chief of the Cherokee. Obviously, she'd be worse than Hitler.


Well that and she used to be a Republican until 1994 and then switched and is now a very liberal Democrat. So we'll trade our moderate Republican Senator who's rated as the most liberal Republican for a partisan Democrat. When people tell you that want less partisanship in Congress, what they mean is they want only people who agree with them.
 
2012-09-20 10:10:04 AM

Aarontology: MartinD-35: Unless we get filibuster proofed and win the House, it won't matter.. The repuglicons will spend four years trying to destroy the Nation for a political result. This amounts to treason. What's the punishment for Treason under the Constitution they so do love to interpret literally? Hint, it used to involve a rope.


Article 3, Section 3 of the United States Constitution. :

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.


They sure used strange language back in the day; has Congress declared the punishment?
 
2012-09-20 10:11:05 AM

beefoe: LordJiro: RumsfeldsReplacement: FooDog: I really hope Warren wins. She strikes me as a genuine statesman/woman who has a true desire to serve the country and is more than capable of doing so.

She will make an OUTSTANDING President 4.5 years from now.

But she told a family story about her being part Native American, when she only has the same amount of Native American blood in her as the chief of the Cherokee. Obviously, she'd be worse than Hitler.

Well that and she used to be a Republican until 1994 and then switched and is now a very liberal Democrat. So we'll trade our moderate Republican Senator who's rated as the most liberal Republican for a partisan Democrat. When people tell you that want less partisanship in Congress, what they mean is they want only people who agree with them.


dude, take a look at his voting record. If he was actually bipartisan, he wouldn't only vote with Democrats when he knew his vote wasn't going to matter because they already had the votes.

/The guy is an opportunist asshat, not bipartisan
 
2012-09-20 10:12:07 AM

LordJiro: RumsfeldsReplacement: FooDog: I really hope Warren wins. She strikes me as a genuine statesman/woman who has a true desire to serve the country and is more than capable of doing so.

She will make an OUTSTANDING President 4.5 years from now.

But she told a family story about her being part Native American, when she only has the same amount of Native American blood in her as the chief of the Cherokee. Obviously, she'd be worse than Hitler.


The Old West's greatest monster.
 
2012-09-20 10:12:08 AM

Serious Black: DGS: Serious Black: Nate Silver just started his Senate prediction model. He now has the Democrats at a 79% chance of having a majority and is guessing that they will have 52 seats (most likely including Angus King as a Democratic caucus member). It's going to be a very long, very sad, and VERY angry November for the Republicans. And they only have themselves to blame.

If that happens, is there any scenario that doesn't involve continued record high filibusters on anything that isn't rubber-stamped as unanimously supported by the GOP (which they then blame the left for)?

Harry Reid has said he wants to reform the filibuster. How exactly, no one knows quite yet. But he would have an opportunity at the beginning of the session to get a rules change passed with only 51 votes. I think after the last four years, they will get it done this time, even if it means the GOP will be able to benefit from those reforms at some point in the future.


Hopefully by then the GOP won't be so farking self destructive crazy.
 
2012-09-20 10:12:14 AM

DarnoKonrad: I really think Reid will get rid of the cloture vote nonsense if the Democrats have a good showing in November.


Wouldn't be that surprised if they did. However, that's the kind of thing that can easily come back to bite them when they become the minority party again.
 
2012-09-20 10:12:14 AM

Dr Dreidel: Serious Black: Nate Silver just started his Senate prediction model. He now has the Democrats at a 79% chance of having a majority and is guessing that they will have 52 seats (most likely including Angus King as a Democratic caucus member). It's going to be a very long, very sad, and VERY angry November for the Republicans. And they only have themselves to blame.

Why? With only 47 seats, the GOP outrage machine can keep chugging at Full Derp through 2016 and they can still filibuster Post Office namings until the FDA decides to stop studying the toxicity of squirrel shiat and the EPA stops hamstringing poor mining conglomerates into responsible disposal of geologic "waste".

If they got a presidency or the Senate, they'd actually have to do something. If they keep the House (and I have no idea how that's still possible; America is weird), they can still send "A Bill to Herp Obama's Job-Killing Derp, Which has Cost Potato Jobs While Requiring Government-Funded Gay Terrorist Abortions" to die in the Senate and can still thump tables in their home districts because the damn Kenyans are being racists and not allowing the White Man's Legislature to read a Birf Sertifikit.


Like I said above, Harry Reid has promised to get on board with his caucus members who want to reform the filibuster if they get a majority of the Senate. That would hopefully put an end to many of the worst shenanigans the GOP have done over the last four years.
 
2012-09-20 10:12:35 AM

DarnoKonrad: KushanMadman: Right now, the trend is going Democratic to the point that the house is even starting to look like it might be in play. Which, if true, is amazing.

2010 was a national disaster. Maybe enough people realize that now. Government needs to function.


No, the Derpers can't fathom that the GOP brand would be poisoned. Liberals are evil and shiat in apple pie while pissing on yellow ribbons tied around oak trees. It's even written in the the New Walker Edition of the Bible. McConnell 5:12-14, "And yea tho' I walk through the groves of patriots, thou hath seen heathens of an ass idolotry mictorating on sacred ribbon of warriors, and defecating on the sustenance of pastry and fruit."
 
2012-09-20 10:13:52 AM
the GOP wouldnt be facing the prospect of Warren in the Senate if they approved her appointment to the consumer protection bureau.

I hope she wins, solely for that reason.
 
2012-09-20 10:14:15 AM

beefoe: LordJiro: RumsfeldsReplacement: FooDog: I really hope Warren wins. She strikes me as a genuine statesman/woman who has a true desire to serve the country and is more than capable of doing so.

She will make an OUTSTANDING President 4.5 years from now.

But she told a family story about her being part Native American, when she only has the same amount of Native American blood in her as the chief of the Cherokee. Obviously, she'd be worse than Hitler.

Well that and she used to be a Republican until 1994 and then switched and is now a very liberal Democrat. So we'll trade our moderate Republican Senator who's rated as the most liberal Republican for a partisan Democrat. When people tell you that want less partisanship in Congress, what they mean is they want only people who agree with them.


Warren is openly hostile to Wall Street's hooliganism. The big banks are pouring money into Walker's campaign, and if he wins, he's going to be on the hook for that.
 
2012-09-20 10:14:55 AM
Let's hope. The election does coincide with the Presidential election this year. Usually people vote for one side on the whole ticket in these.

Though, I'll settle for having the Senate purified with fire.
 
2012-09-20 10:17:52 AM
Remember the last national election where the president, House of Reps and Senate all became Democrat?

10 weeks later, on the eve of inauguration, the opposition vowed to obstruct every possible thing they could, regardless of whether they thought it would help the country.

The only solution, which is impossible, is to vote them into a super minority. (i.e. 30% or so)
 
2012-09-20 10:18:44 AM

Edsel: DarnoKonrad: I really think Reid will get rid of the cloture vote nonsense if the Democrats have a good showing in November.

Wouldn't be that surprised if they did. However, that's the kind of thing that can easily come back to bite them when they become the minority party again.


Something's gotta change. People have to see that voting matters, they need to see consequences. Right now people feel pretty futile. Sure the GOP could get power in 4 years and do a bunch of crazy shiat, but they'd get hammered by the electorate. America is just not in-step with the neoliberal radicalism of the GOP nor their Christian dominionism.
 
2012-09-20 10:18:55 AM
The yellow ribbons thing originally was actually a protest against the Vietnam war (if I recall correctly). Also, many repuglicons are suggesting that the party (like the Whigs) will "disappear," i.e., turn into two separate parties, if they can't win in this "awful" year for the Democrats. The 'cons can't stand the notion that things are actually picking up in the house building market. But, sadly, when the economy gets roaring again we'll have another round of inflation that deflates the value of real estate, but also money, which makes it hard on the poor to make ends meet or have much of a future. A national lottery that gives all the profits back to ticket buyers anyone? (It gives people hope; unlike today's lotteries which are basically thievery by the "state.")
 
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