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2012-09-20 03:19:26 AM
Are illegals eligible for 3 strikes in California?


.
.
.inb4 ICE policy != federal law liberal butthurt
 
2012-09-20 03:34:26 AM

Introitus: Are illegals eligible for 3 strikes in California?


yes.
 
2012-09-20 03:50:12 AM

Introitus: Are illegals eligible for 3 strikes in California?


.
.
.inb4 ICE policy != federal law liberal butthurt


As far as I know, they are. They're bound by the same laws as are U.S. citizens.
 
2012-09-20 06:05:39 AM
Actually detaining subjects for being illegal is the unconstitutional part of the Arizona law.
 
2012-09-20 06:07:04 AM
Duh. They need to votes.

It's like Tammany Hall and Gangs of New York around here.
 
2012-09-20 06:08:54 AM
Are they just releasing them into Arizona?
 
2012-09-20 06:17:34 AM
California has better things to spend its money on than harassing gardeners and day laborers.
 
2012-09-20 06:20:40 AM
Sounds like a good idea. These criminals feel like they are entitled to food, shelter and free health care. Kick them out on their asses so they can get all bootstrappy.
 
2012-09-20 06:20:54 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually detaining subjects for being illegal is the unconstitutional part of the Arizona law.


How is it unconstitutional for being detained/arrested for doing something illegal? If a person is only suspected illegal I can understand that LE should not be able to arrest/detain them, but if someone is found to be in this country illegally then they can and should be arrested and deported.

/My exception to this is if an illegal is found to have been here for years, follows the laws, has a job, has established roots, etc..
//Gang members found here illegally should just be double tapped
 
2012-09-20 06:24:11 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually detaining subjects for being illegal is the unconstitutional part of the Arizona law.

How is it unconstitutional for being detained/arrested for doing something illegal? If a person is only suspected illegal I can understand that LE should not be able to arrest/detain them, but if someone is found to be in this country illegally then they can and should be arrested and deported.

/My exception to this is if an illegal is found to have been here for years, follows the laws, has a job, has established roots, etc..
//Gang members found here illegally should just be double tapped


Go read the US Supreme Court decision.
 
2012-09-20 06:36:11 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: NumberFiveIsAlive: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually detaining subjects for being illegal is the unconstitutional part of the Arizona law.

How is it unconstitutional for being detained/arrested for doing something illegal? If a person is only suspected illegal I can understand that LE should not be able to arrest/detain them, but if someone is found to be in this country illegally then they can and should be arrested and deported.

/My exception to this is if an illegal is found to have been here for years, follows the laws, has a job, has established roots, etc..
//Gang members found here illegally should just be double tapped

Go read the US Supreme Court decision. I can't answer the question, so I'll tell you to go read through a massive wordy document in hopes that it will either back up my feelings, or you just won't do it and I'll win the point by default



Gotcha.
 
2012-09-20 06:38:36 AM
the government obviously doesn't care
and california needs the voting bloc.
Things will just keep getting better there,
and they deserve every bit of it
 
2012-09-20 06:51:00 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: NumberFiveIsAlive: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually detaining subjects for being illegal is the unconstitutional part of the Arizona law.

How is it unconstitutional for being detained/arrested for doing something illegal? If a person is only suspected illegal I can understand that LE should not be able to arrest/detain them, but if someone is found to be in this country illegally then they can and should be arrested and deported.

/My exception to this is if an illegal is found to have been here for years, follows the laws, has a job, has established roots, etc..
//Gang members found here illegally should just be double tapped

Go read the US Supreme Court decision.


Re-read my comment. I don't care what some current black-robed dweeb says about illegal immigrants, I was stating an opinion. Where I said it is illegal to detain illegals.... please tell me that some judge didn't make it legal to break the law... Please FSM tell me we don't have judges that are that stupid (reads Fark some more)... nvm.
 
2012-09-20 07:03:34 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: NumberFiveIsAlive: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually detaining subjects for being illegal is the unconstitutional part of the Arizona law.

How is it unconstitutional for being detained/arrested for doing something illegal? If a person is only suspected illegal I can understand that LE should not be able to arrest/detain them, but if someone is found to be in this country illegally then they can and should be arrested and deported.

/My exception to this is if an illegal is found to have been here for years, follows the laws, has a job, has established roots, etc..
//Gang members found here illegally should just be double tapped

Go read the US Supreme Court decision.

Re-read my comment. I don't care what some current black-robed dweeb says about illegal immigrants, I was stating an opinion. Where I said it is illegal to detain illegals.... please tell me that some judge didn't make it legal to break the law... Please FSM tell me we don't have judges that are that stupid (reads Fark some more)... nvm.


>Supreme Court
>"some current black-robed dweebs"
Yeah, you can fark right off.
 
2012-09-20 07:06:12 AM

NumberFiveIsAlive: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: NumberFiveIsAlive: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually detaining subjects for being illegal is the unconstitutional part of the Arizona law.

How is it unconstitutional for being detained/arrested for doing something illegal? If a person is only suspected illegal I can understand that LE should not be able to arrest/detain them, but if someone is found to be in this country illegally then they can and should be arrested and deported.

/My exception to this is if an illegal is found to have been here for years, follows the laws, has a job, has established roots, etc..
//Gang members found here illegally should just be double tapped

Go read the US Supreme Court decision.

Re-read my comment. I don't care what some current black-robed dweeb says about illegal immigrants, I was stating an opinion. Where I said it is illegal to detain illegals.... please tell me that some judge didn't make it legal to break the law... Please FSM tell me we don't have judges that are that stupid (reads Fark some more)... nvm.


Go read the US Supreme Court decision.
 
2012-09-20 07:09:53 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually detaining subjects for being illegal is the unconstitutional part of the Arizona law.


No. Detaining them after ICE says we aren't going to get them is.
 
2012-09-20 07:10:53 AM
The Supreme Court decision in AZ has nothing in it that applies here. The detention piece that was overturned was related to arresting people without warrants. And the unconstitutional part of this was the arrest itself, but the fact that it was up to the federal govt to decide this policy, not the state.
 
2012-09-20 07:12:21 AM
Sorry, "Not the arrest itself."


/stupid ipad
 
2012-09-20 07:16:31 AM
Last Man on Earth:
Yeah, I usually respect people that have earned their way into a high level government position, but I don't care what your title is. I've seen plenty of judges that need to be removed for sheer stupidity or obvious bias in certain subjects. BTW, I wasn't just referring to the USSC. It's usually the District Court judges that are deserving of the "dweeb" comment.

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves:
The US Supreme Court has made a lot of decisions on this lately it seems. Please enlighten me on what you are referring to. (If you mean to tell me that the USSC has made it illegal to detain illegal immigrants... I'll go ahead and facedesk right after I remove my foot from my mouth)

/I have no problem admitting I'm wrong if I am in fact wrong
//Doesn't make stupid court decisions any better
///Buy good shoes, they taste better...
 
2012-09-20 07:21:39 AM
Latest example of why we cannot rely on the Supreme Court:

"For the purposes of the ruling, Obamacare is not a tax"

"The Constitutionality of Obamacare falls under COngress's power to levy taxes"

GO READ THE DECISION.

Whether you agree with the decision or not, the logic there makes me want to sit with Lewis Black at IHOP so my head doesn't explode.
 
2012-09-20 07:23:46 AM
There's GOT to be a happy medium somewhere between a blanket do-over for illegals and
automatically kicking them out without first looking at their history in this country.

It's like the asinine zero tolerance laws in other areas of our society.

If you're here illegally and have a violent crime / drug related criminal record? That's a boot
in the ass to help you back across the border. Here illegally and sitting on your ass on the
government dole? Boot in the ass, have a nice trip.

On the other hand, if you're here illegally but are doing your bit to contribute to your host
country - holding down a job, going to school, raising your family, staying out of trouble,
then that warrants consideration. Not a get out of jail free card, but maybe something along
the lines of "you can stay BUT as a consequence of coming here illegally, you have to do
[insert task] for x period of time".

Make the task the equivalent of community service. Maybe the person would have to
volunteer as a translator at a local legal aid group, etc... Something where the person's
bilingual nature would be an asset.

Just my two cents.
 
2012-09-20 07:26:26 AM

beefoe: The Supreme Court decision in AZ has nothing in it that applies here. The detention piece that was overturned was related to arresting people without warrants. And the unconstitutional part of this was the arrest itself, but the fact that it was up to the federal govt to decide this policy, not the state.


Even the part the Supreme Court upheld would be thrown out if Arizona starts arresting illegals. The only thing allowed is to ask for papers.
 
2012-09-20 07:26:36 AM

digitalrain: There's GOT to be a happy medium somewhere between a blanket do-over for illegals and
automatically kicking them out without first looking at their history in this country.

It's like the asinine zero tolerance laws in other areas of our society.

If you're here illegally and have a violent crime / drug related criminal record? That's a boot
in the ass to help you back across the border. Here illegally and sitting on your ass on the
government dole? Boot in the ass, have a nice trip.

On the other hand, if you're here illegally but are doing your bit to contribute to your host
country - holding down a job, going to school, raising your family, staying out of trouble,
then that warrants consideration. Not a get out of jail free card, but maybe something along
the lines of "you can stay BUT as a consequence of coming here illegally, you have to do
[insert task] for x period of time".

Make the task the equivalent of community service. Maybe the person would have to
volunteer as a translator at a local legal aid group, etc... Something where the person's
bilingual nature would be an asset.

Just my two cents.


I whole heartedly agree.
 
2012-09-20 07:33:20 AM

digitalrain: There's GOT to be a happy medium somewhere between a blanket do-over for illegals and
automatically kicking them out without first looking at their history in this country.

It's like the asinine zero tolerance laws in other areas of our society.

If you're here illegally and have a violent crime / drug related criminal record? That's a boot
in the ass to help you back across the border. Here illegally and sitting on your ass on the
government dole? Boot in the ass, have a nice trip.

On the other hand, if you're here illegally but are doing your bit to contribute to your host
country - holding down a job, going to school, raising your family, staying out of trouble,
then that warrants consideration. Not a get out of jail free card, but maybe something along
the lines of "you can stay BUT as a consequence of coming here illegally, you have to do
[insert task] for x period of time".

Make the task the equivalent of community service. Maybe the person would have to
volunteer as a translator at a local legal aid group, etc... Something where the person's
bilingual nature would be an asset.

Just my two cents.


I'm OK with this--sounds completely fair, IMO.
 
2012-09-20 07:43:43 AM

mike_d85: Are they just releasing them into Arizona?


God, I wish. It's past time states started straight up antagonizing each other.

/Why you hitting yourself, Nevada?
 
2012-09-20 08:02:39 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Even the part the Supreme Court upheld would be thrown out if Arizona starts arresting illegals. The only thing allowed is to ask for papers


And if they are illegal aliens Arizona can arrest them.
 
2012-09-20 08:17:50 AM
I think that it is odd that some people think that not having State officers arrest and detain someone for a federal crime is a good thing.

"Oh sorry, Mr. Bank Robber, you committed a federal crime. I am a local sheriff so you can go on your way.I didn't mean to inconvenience you. Have a nice day."
 
2012-09-20 08:19:11 AM
I'm as anti-illegal immigrant as can be, but if the Feds aren't paying for the detention of the suspected illegal immigrants, than fark the Feds. California is broke as it is without subsidizing the Federal Government any more than we already are.
 
2012-09-20 08:21:51 AM
I don't get it, if someone is here illegally why don't we just deport them? Why is this so complicated and involve such a big contorvorsey? I can assure that just about any other country on earth either deports or imprisons their illegal immigrants without all the fuss. Why are we coddling illegal immigrants?

If someone wants to immigrate here legally, I'm generally for it. This is a country of immigrants going back to the Native Americans who immigrated in multiple waves themselves.

/friends with a number of immigrants over the years including girlfriend
//the vast majority of which worked a damned sight harder and were far more grateful for what they had than those born here
 
2012-09-20 08:30:24 AM

nmemkha: California has better things to spend its money on than harassing gardeners and day laborers.


Yea like helping to pay for college, giving drivers license, not impunding their cars like they do with actual citizens, and releasing illegals from prision so they can kill us citizens.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/19/father-murdered-teen-urges - gov-brown-to-veto-illegal-immigrant-bill/

/dumb fark
 
2012-09-20 08:35:53 AM

Joe Blowme: and releasing illegals from prision so they can kill us citizens.


So ... like Mike Huckabee, then?
 
2012-09-20 08:40:00 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Joe Blowme: and releasing illegals from prision so they can kill us citizens.

So ... like Mike Huckabee, then?


Ahh yes, the old "BUT MOMMY, BILLY DID IT TOO!!!!" defense of the indefensable
So in your world stupidity can be justified by pointing to past stupidity... nice. Do you ride unicorns in your world too?
 
2012-09-20 08:41:04 AM
It's simple .

Move the illegals from Arizona to California.

Then everyone is happy.
 
2012-09-20 08:44:11 AM
This is hilariously stupid. That's what you get when you talk yourself into bringing back Governor Moonbeam.
 
2012-09-20 08:48:49 AM

onyxruby: I don't get it, if someone is here illegally why don't we just deport them? Why is this so complicated and involve such a big contorvorsey? I can assure that just about any other country on earth either deports or imprisons their illegal immigrants without all the fuss. Why are we coddling illegal immigrants?

If someone wants to immigrate here legally, I'm generally for it. This is a country of immigrants going back to the Native Americans who immigrated in multiple waves themselves.

/friends with a number of immigrants over the years including girlfriend
//the vast majority of which worked a damned sight harder and were far more grateful for what they had than those born here


It's a big controversy because Democrats have to pander to get votes. Actually both parties pander, its just that Democrats will toss out any law if it will make a key constituency happy.
 
2012-09-20 08:58:09 AM
Shoot dawg this aint nothin. Shoulda been around in 1986.
 
2012-09-20 09:03:11 AM

Joe Blowme: nmemkha: California has better things to spend its money on than harassing gardeners and day laborers.

Yea like helping to pay for college, giving drivers license, not impunding their cars like they do with actual citizens, and releasing illegals from prision so they can kill us citizens.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/19/father-murdered-teen-urges - gov-brown-to-veto-illegal-immigrant-bill/

/dumb fark


Blow me, Joe.
 
2012-09-20 09:09:42 AM

Whodat: I think that it is odd that some people think that not having State officers arrest and detain someone for a federal crime is a good thing.

"Oh sorry, Mr. Bank Robber, you committed a federal crime. I am a local sheriff so you can go on your way.I didn't mean to inconvenience you. Have a nice day."


Bank robbery is a state crime.
 
2012-09-20 09:15:15 AM

nmemkha: Joe Blowme: nmemkha: California has better things to spend its money on than harassing gardeners and day laborers.

Yea like helping to pay for college, giving drivers license, not impunding their cars like they do with actual citizens, and releasing illegals from prision so they can kill us citizens.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/19/father-murdered-teen-urges - gov-brown-to-veto-illegal-immigrant-bill/

/dumb fark

Blow me, Joe.


Awwww, did i hurt your pretend world view with reality?
 
2012-09-20 09:35:41 AM

nmemkha: California has better things to spend its money on than harassing gardeners and day laborers.


You didn't read the article, did you?
 
2012-09-20 09:36:41 AM

nmemkha: California has better things to spend its money on than harassing gardeners and day laborers.


Someone didn't RTFA.
 
2012-09-20 09:47:37 AM
California does pretty much everything moderates can't stand about liberals.
 
2012-09-20 10:03:04 AM
We need a middle ground for this shiat.

And I don't mean Nevada, it has enough aliens of its own already.
 
2012-09-20 10:35:31 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: NumberFiveIsAlive: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: NumberFiveIsAlive: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Actually detaining subjects for being illegal is the unconstitutional part of the Arizona law.

How is it unconstitutional for being detained/arrested for doing something illegal? If a person is only suspected illegal I can understand that LE should not be able to arrest/detain them, but if someone is found to be in this country illegally then they can and should be arrested and deported.

/My exception to this is if an illegal is found to have been here for years, follows the laws, has a job, has established roots, etc..
//Gang members found here illegally should just be double tapped

Go read the US Supreme Court decision.

Re-read my comment. I don't care what some current black-robed dweeb says about illegal immigrants, I was stating an opinion. Where I said it is illegal to detain illegals.... please tell me that some judge didn't make it legal to break the law... Please FSM tell me we don't have judges that are that stupid (reads Fark some more)... nvm.

Go read the US Supreme Court decision.


Link it. You made the claim, the onus is upon you to cite it.
 
2012-09-20 11:09:35 AM

Joe Blowme: Ahh yes, the old "BUT MOMMY, BILLY DID IT TOO!!!!" defense of the indefensable


So ... like a republican, then?
 
2012-09-20 11:25:45 AM

MadMagnum: Latest example of why we cannot rely on the Supreme Court:

"For the purposes of the ruling, Obamacare is not a tax"

"The Constitutionality of Obamacare falls under COngress's power to levy taxes"


Actually, there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. If I said on Monday, "For the purpose of this discussion, the platypus isn't a mammal" and on Tuesday, "The platypus would be a mammal by that reasoning," that wouldn't make me inconsistent or hypocritical.
 
2012-09-20 11:32:29 AM

Joe Blowme: nmemkha: Joe Blowme: nmemkha: California has better things to spend its money on than harassing gardeners and day laborers.

Yea like helping to pay for college, giving drivers license, not impunding their cars like they do with actual citizens, and releasing illegals from prision so they can kill us citizens.



/dumb fark

Blow me, Joe.

Awwww, did i hurt your pretend world view with reality?


t2.gstatic.com

Not really. I just decided to make an apt word play on your handle.
 
2012-09-20 11:32:41 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Whodat: I think that it is odd that some people think that not having State officers arrest and detain someone for a federal crime is a good thing.

"Oh sorry, Mr. Bank Robber, you committed a federal crime. I am a local sheriff so you can go on your way.I didn't mean to inconvenience you. Have a nice day."

Bank robbery is a state crime.


In 1934, it became a federal crime to rob any national bank or state member bank of the Federal Reserve. The law soon expanded to include bank burglary, larceny, and similar crimes, with jurisdiction delegated to the FBI.
 
2012-09-20 11:33:04 AM

keypusher: nmemkha: California has better things to spend its money on than harassing gardeners and day laborers.

You didn't read the article, did you?


Wii.Tard: nmemkha: California has better things to spend its money on than harassing gardeners and day laborers.

Someone didn't RTFA.


You're both right!
 
2012-09-20 11:34:25 AM

Joe Blowme: Awwww, did i hurt your pretend world view with reality?


If you ever actually find reality, I'm sure your fellow Farkers would like to hear all about it.
 
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