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(NBC News)   That 14 year-old video of Obama? Turns out the Republicans are good at editing   (firstread.nbcnews.com) divider line 24
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2012-09-20 11:02:58 AM  
4 votes:
Question: why does it seem like lately the GOP has had a monopoly on deceitfulness and outright lying? I don't think all or even most conservatives are dishonest, but their party and talking heads just can't stop spewing 100% bullshiat from their mouths at all times.
2012-09-20 11:11:56 AM  
3 votes:
So let's get this straight. Romney gets a tape released and owns it and says, "We need to see the whole video." When the whole video is put out, Republicans calls it a conspiracy. Overall, Romney looks bad. Republicans put out a snippet of Obama calling for redistribution of wealth. Then when the whole tape is exposed, he actually talks about competition and marketplace and growth. Obama looks better.

Republican shills are REALLY, REALLY bad at this.
2012-09-20 11:09:15 AM  
3 votes:

Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.


Why? Do you believe that concentrating vast wealth in a very few hands is a positive for the country?
2012-09-20 11:33:09 AM  
2 votes:

colon_pow: so now that we have the context, are we to believe that obama does not actually believe in redistribution?

is that what the context tells us? sure he wants a good economy, that way there's wealth to be redistributed.

that's the way colon_pow sees it.


Were we ever supposed to believe he doesn't? For most of us here, "redistribution" isn't some dirty word, its an integral part of any modern, civilized country. Please lay out your argument why "redistribution" is worse for the country than having all of the wealth pooled into the hands of a limited few.
2012-09-20 11:20:17 AM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.


What is far more disturbing is the ACTUAL redistribution that has concentrated the wealth in the hands of so few over the past 30 years.
2012-09-20 11:15:02 AM  
2 votes:
The baffling thing is the knee jerk reaction to "redistribute."

I hate to break it to you, if there are taxes, that's what is happening.

It's impossible to not be "redistributing" if you have a progressive, modern, tax system. No one is going to get back their exact amount in services.

Only in this country is someone admitting that resources are redistributed to help people, evidence of a October Revolution.
2012-09-20 11:11:17 AM  
2 votes:
Here's how the argument goes:

"Yes, we Republicans edited this video of Obama. That proves that political parties manipulate videos to serve their own purposes. Therefore, Democrats edited Romney's 47% video."
2012-09-20 11:10:38 AM  
2 votes:
I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

I used to think Romney was an OK guy who just happened to lack charisma. Now I know he's a mendacious, disingenuous scumbag.

"This is how America works. It does not work by a government saying, become dependent on government. Become dependent upon redistribution. That will kill the American entrepreneurship that's lifted our economy over the years," Romney told donors at a fundraiser this afternoon in Atlanta. "The question of this campaign is not who cares about the poor and the middle class? I do. He does. The question is who can help the poor and the middle class? I can! He can't!"
2012-09-20 11:03:45 AM  
2 votes:
Is anyone actually surprised by this? It was a naked attempt to say, "Look! Their guy says bad things, too!" It failed, and this is just the icing on the cake.
2012-09-20 11:03:00 AM  
2 votes:
The Romney campaign: 10 percent inspiration, 90 percent desperation.
2012-09-20 02:37:18 PM  
1 votes:

colon_pow: Biological Ali: colon_pow: dog-whistle

Don't use terms if you don't know what they mean.

people who don't pay attention would just hear "redistribution" and think nothing of it.
people in the know, hear marxist ideology.


For it to be a "dog-whistle", the supposedly hidden meaning has to be intended by the speaker himself, and not merely be imagined by third parties of dubious mental stability. For instance, if a politician says "gay marriage" and some guy interprets that as "teaching toddlers how to have gay sex", that's not a "dog-whistle" - that's just old-fashioned lunacy.
2012-09-20 01:44:05 PM  
1 votes:

Antimatter: From TFA:

In the whole clip, Obama says:

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.


Sounds pretty reasonable to me.


And pretty deep for a mid 30's male who isn't getting any sleep due to tiny munchkins running around.
2012-09-20 12:48:46 PM  
1 votes:

colon_pow: dog-whistle


Don't use terms if you don't know what they mean.
2012-09-20 12:31:58 PM  
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: We already have significant redistribution from wealthy to poor.


I'm sure you got that backward on accident, and meant to acknowledge that wealth in the US is predominately transferred from the poor and middle class to the wealthy.
2012-09-20 11:27:52 AM  
1 votes:
He's talking about fostering innovation within government at the local level to better handle redistribution. This changes nothing.

The "unedited" version of the Romney video changed nothing.

Stating that these videos are edited is different from asserting that the edits themselves altered the meaning of the words. I can cut a porn video to remove the part where the pool boy arrives at the house. You may watch the video and not know he's a pool boy, but in the end viewing the "unedited" version doesn't change the fact that your mom did porn.

Grow up. Your candidates stink and your mother had low ethical standards when she was young.
2012-09-20 11:25:53 AM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: OneTimed: Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.

So you think it's better than the uber wealthy horde trillions (HORDE, not spend) and keep it out of the economy?

It's not just unethical, it's painfully stupid.

Confiscating wealth because you don't like what's being done with launches you down a buttery slope.


So does allowing the government dictate who can marry, or setting up the tax code to benefit the wealthy
2012-09-20 11:17:23 AM  
1 votes:

Brandyelf: Is anyone actually surprised by this? It was a naked attempt to say, "Look! Their guy says bad things, too!" It failed, and this is just the icing on the cake.


This; whereas the Romney campaign was accusing Mother Jones of editing the footage for Romney. MJ came out and said "here's the whole tape" and it makes Romney look even worse.

This smells of total desperation now by the Romney campaign. That ship is sinking and the rats (read: GOP supporters) are trying to get off as quickly as possible.
2012-09-20 11:16:46 AM  
1 votes:

Brandyelf: Is anyone actually surprised by this? It was a naked attempt to say, "Look! Their guy says bad things, too!" It failed, and this is just the icing on the cake.


I really liked that part of the TDS video (2 links down) where Stewart exposed this deflection:
Media are reporting on Romney's "47%" comments
-deflection 1: it was "inartfully worded"
-deflection 2: it was an uncomfortable (one might say "inconvenient") truth, but a "winning strategy" to push the 47% line
-deflection 3: that was 5 months ago!!
-deflection 4: Obama once said something, too!
2012-09-20 11:10:15 AM  
1 votes:
Lies, hyperbole, and subterfuge.....it's all they have left.
2012-09-20 11:08:24 AM  
1 votes:
I think subby has mistaken 'good at something' for 'well-practiced'.
Practice does not always make perfect.
2012-09-20 11:04:40 AM  
1 votes:

OneTimed: Question: why does it seem like lately the GOP has had a monopoly on deceitfulness and outright lying? I don't think all or even most conservatives are dishonest, but their party and talking heads just can't stop spewing 100% bullshiat from their mouths at all times.


They don't have a monopoly on it but comparing the Dem lies to the GOP lies is like comparing a bathtub to the ocean.
2012-09-20 11:04:07 AM  
1 votes:
From TFA:

In the whole clip, Obama says:

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.


Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
2012-09-20 11:01:07 AM  
1 votes:
This is my shocked face.

:-|
2012-09-20 08:31:06 AM  
1 votes:
OH GEE YOU THINK?
 
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