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2012-09-20 01:11:44 AM
I know, have you ever seen an unedited Obama pic?

moodyeyeview.files.wordpress.com 

I thought the guy was black!
 
2012-09-20 08:31:06 AM
OH GEE YOU THINK?
 
2012-09-20 08:41:16 AM
I'm shocked.
 
2012-09-20 11:01:07 AM
This is my shocked face.

:-|
 
2012-09-20 11:01:58 AM
Not that there was anything wrong with what Obama said in the video.
 
2012-09-20 11:02:31 AM
Romney has nonetheless seized upon this clip

I caught that slimy prick, RNCPRBS on Greta talking about it but does anyone have Romney's thoughts linked?
 
2012-09-20 11:02:58 AM
Question: why does it seem like lately the GOP has had a monopoly on deceitfulness and outright lying? I don't think all or even most conservatives are dishonest, but their party and talking heads just can't stop spewing 100% bullshiat from their mouths at all times.
 
2012-09-20 11:03:00 AM
The Romney campaign: 10 percent inspiration, 90 percent desperation.
 
2012-09-20 11:03:42 AM
stupidest. election. ever. And how long has it been going? A year and a half?
 
2012-09-20 11:03:45 AM
Is anyone actually surprised by this? It was a naked attempt to say, "Look! Their guy says bad things, too!" It failed, and this is just the icing on the cake.
 
2012-09-20 11:04:07 AM
From TFA:

In the whole clip, Obama says:

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.


Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
 
2012-09-20 11:04:40 AM

OneTimed: Question: why does it seem like lately the GOP has had a monopoly on deceitfulness and outright lying? I don't think all or even most conservatives are dishonest, but their party and talking heads just can't stop spewing 100% bullshiat from their mouths at all times.


They don't have a monopoly on it but comparing the Dem lies to the GOP lies is like comparing a bathtub to the ocean.
 
2012-09-20 11:06:29 AM
Editing. How bout that guy who founded Paypay and dumped a big wad investing in Facebook paying for this guy. Now that's an editor. Maybe the Republicans could hire him.

i126.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-20 11:07:16 AM
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-20 11:07:48 AM
His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.
 
2012-09-20 11:08:12 AM
Yeah sorry, the "edited out" portion doesn't in any way change the context of his comment about redistribution. Sorry, it doesn't.

"I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities."
 
2012-09-20 11:08:24 AM
I think subby has mistaken 'good at something' for 'well-practiced'.
Practice does not always make perfect.
 
2012-09-20 11:08:29 AM
The comments on that article are great too, some freepers must have been let out of their cages to go over to NBC...
 
2012-09-20 11:09:15 AM

Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.


Why? Do you believe that concentrating vast wealth in a very few hands is a positive for the country?
 
2012-09-20 11:09:17 AM
Oh wow, the comments in the article completely ignore what Obama said, and continue to blame him for everything, including the 'war on women' and so on. The amount of projection i'm seeing is staggering.

The GOP's fanboys are so caught up in the idea that socialism/redistribution/etc is an evil thing that they are literally cheering on the transfer form the poor to the rich, and blaming the liberals for it.
 
2012-09-20 11:09:32 AM

Spartapuss: Romney has nonetheless seized upon this clip

I caught that slimy prick, RNCPRBS on Greta talking about it but does anyone have Romney's thoughts linked?


> RNCPRBS.bat

Invalid file name or alcohol not found
Abort, Retry, Fail?

> a

Authorities have been notified. Have a nice day!
 
2012-09-20 11:10:05 AM
The part they quote over and over...

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot.

The part they leave out.

How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

Not a damn thing wrong with either but it's obviously another attempt by the right to take Obama's words out of context to prove something that a full in context read would not support.

This is "out of context" for any RWers who are having difficulty with the concept.
 
2012-09-20 11:10:15 AM
Lies, hyperbole, and subterfuge.....it's all they have left.
 
2012-09-20 11:10:38 AM

Examples of redistribution: Every government expenditure ever.

- Bill Hammond (@NYDNHammond) September 18, 2012
 
2012-09-20 11:10:38 AM
I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

I used to think Romney was an OK guy who just happened to lack charisma. Now I know he's a mendacious, disingenuous scumbag.

"This is how America works. It does not work by a government saying, become dependent on government. Become dependent upon redistribution. That will kill the American entrepreneurship that's lifted our economy over the years," Romney told donors at a fundraiser this afternoon in Atlanta. "The question of this campaign is not who cares about the poor and the middle class? I do. He does. The question is who can help the poor and the middle class? I can! He can't!"
 
2012-09-20 11:10:55 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.

Why? Do you believe that concentrating vast wealth in a very few hands is a positive for the country?


taxation! legal theft!!
 
2012-09-20 11:11:17 AM
Here's how the argument goes:

"Yes, we Republicans edited this video of Obama. That proves that political parties manipulate videos to serve their own purposes. Therefore, Democrats edited Romney's 47% video."
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-09-20 11:11:21 AM

StopLurkListen: This is my shocked face.

:-|

 
2012-09-20 11:11:29 AM

quatchi: The part they quote over and over...

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot.

The part they leave out.

How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

Not a damn thing wrong with either but it's obviously another attempt by the right to take Obama's words out of context to prove something that a full in context read would not support.

This is "out of context" for any RWers who are having difficulty with the concept.


B-b-b-ut two minutes are missing from the Romney fundraising video! Two minutes in which he might have said something that wasn't stupid or false!
 
2012-09-20 11:11:48 AM

Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.


Your belief that government spending is 'redistribution' is disturbing. And amusing.
 
2012-09-20 11:11:56 AM
So let's get this straight. Romney gets a tape released and owns it and says, "We need to see the whole video." When the whole video is put out, Republicans calls it a conspiracy. Overall, Romney looks bad. Republicans put out a snippet of Obama calling for redistribution of wealth. Then when the whole tape is exposed, he actually talks about competition and marketplace and growth. Obama looks better.

Republican shills are REALLY, REALLY bad at this.
 
2012-09-20 11:12:00 AM
Surely Andrew Breitbart is looking up and smiling today.
 
2012-09-20 11:12:03 AM
I'm shocked that a party that has done nothing but lie for the past 12 years has lied again. Shocked.
 
2012-09-20 11:12:17 AM
That's funny, Republicans are big fans of wealth redistribution when defense companies have shiny new planes to sell, or when farmers have a bad year, or when a hurricane hits a red state.
 
2012-09-20 11:12:23 AM

Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.


So you think it's better than the uber wealthy horde trillions (HORDE, not spend) and keep it out of the economy?

It's not just unethical, it's painfully stupid.
 
2012-09-20 11:12:44 AM

OneTimed: Question: why does it seem like lately the GOP has had a monopoly on deceitfulness and outright lying? I don't think all or even most conservatives are dishonest, but their party and talking heads just can't stop spewing 100% bullshiat from their mouths at all times.


It's because if the average person were to listen to Obama speak at length on a topic, his thoughts sound very reasonable. It's a key quality all leaders must have. Ronald Reagan had the same gift.
 
2012-09-20 11:14:03 AM

SunsetLament: Yeah sorry, the "edited out" portion doesn't in any way change the context of his comment about redistribution. Sorry, it doesn't.

"I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities."


It does indeed. It means how does the government encourage the small business, the local business, so that it can compete and generate wealth. How do you make Joes hardware store compete with billionaire steves hardware chain? Remember, this clip was from around the time of the internet bomb, which helped a lot of folks do just that. Obama points to stuff like tax credits as an example.

This isn't seizing rich people property and giving it away, it's helping the lower classes and smaller business compete via tax breaks.
 
2012-09-20 11:14:24 AM

Spartapuss: Romney has nonetheless seized upon this clip

I caught that slimy prick, RNCPRBS on Greta talking about it but does anyone have Romney's thoughts linked?


Oh, you mean Rinse Pubis?
 
2012-09-20 11:15:02 AM
The baffling thing is the knee jerk reaction to "redistribute."

I hate to break it to you, if there are taxes, that's what is happening.

It's impossible to not be "redistributing" if you have a progressive, modern, tax system. No one is going to get back their exact amount in services.

Only in this country is someone admitting that resources are redistributed to help people, evidence of a October Revolution.
 
2012-09-20 11:15:11 AM

DarnoKonrad: stupidest. election. ever. And how long has it been going? A year and a half?


For the Republicans, it's been since Obama was elected.
 
2012-09-20 11:15:23 AM
"I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities." 

I am shocked to discover that Obama thinks everybody is a commmie.
 
2012-09-20 11:16:46 AM

Brandyelf: Is anyone actually surprised by this? It was a naked attempt to say, "Look! Their guy says bad things, too!" It failed, and this is just the icing on the cake.


I really liked that part of the TDS video (2 links down) where Stewart exposed this deflection:
Media are reporting on Romney's "47%" comments
-deflection 1: it was "inartfully worded"
-deflection 2: it was an uncomfortable (one might say "inconvenient") truth, but a "winning strategy" to push the 47% line
-deflection 3: that was 5 months ago!!
-deflection 4: Obama once said something, too!
 
2012-09-20 11:17:08 AM
Did they really build that?
 
2012-09-20 11:17:23 AM

Brandyelf: Is anyone actually surprised by this? It was a naked attempt to say, "Look! Their guy says bad things, too!" It failed, and this is just the icing on the cake.


This; whereas the Romney campaign was accusing Mother Jones of editing the footage for Romney. MJ came out and said "here's the whole tape" and it makes Romney look even worse.

This smells of total desperation now by the Romney campaign. That ship is sinking and the rats (read: GOP supporters) are trying to get off as quickly as possible.
 
2012-09-20 11:18:51 AM

Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.


Only to the 3000 that make $2 Million or more without paying taxes right?
 
2012-09-20 11:20:09 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Examples of redistribution: Every government expenditure ever.- Bill Hammond (@NYDNHammond) September 18, 2012


And I will add to that: to the rich, to the poor, to the military industrial complex, etc., etc.
 
2012-09-20 11:20:17 AM

Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.


What is far more disturbing is the ACTUAL redistribution that has concentrated the wealth in the hands of so few over the past 30 years.
 
2012-09-20 11:20:18 AM
1998? I hadn't even realized what a desperate "NO U" this whole thing is until now. Not only is it reasonable and consistent with Obama's philosophy, it's also nearly two decades old?

Clownshoes. Clownshoes everywhere.
 
2012-09-20 11:20:57 AM

OneTimed: Cletus C.: His redistribution rhetoric remains disturbing.

So you think it's better than the uber wealthy horde trillions (HORDE, not spend) and keep it out of the economy?

It's not just unethical, it's painfully stupid.


Confiscating wealth because you don't like what's being done with launches you down a buttery slope.
 
2012-09-20 11:21:19 AM
Now that's how you edit a video to take something out of context, Republicans...

'Course, considering you did the same thing with the "You didn't build that quote", I'm assuming you already knew that and are just using this to deflect from Romney's asinine comments about half the country.

Carry on, you dishonest shiat sorcerers.
 
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