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2012-09-19 09:43:38 PM  
These sick farks loved and cared for their lone male child and pretty much tried to kill off the 2 girls through deliberate neglect. While I'm sure I'll be accused of trolling, this underscores one of the most glaringly despicable tenets of fundamentalism in Islam: The vast difference in the perceived value of the lives of females versus males.
 
2012-09-19 10:03:39 PM  
The can cite all their religious nonsense they want: These parents effectively killed their 2 year old BABY. Praise be to Allah.
 
2012-09-19 10:05:50 PM  

Highroller48: These sick farks loved and cared for their lone male child and pretty much tried to kill off the 2 girls through deliberate neglect. While I'm sure I'll be accused of trolling, this underscores one of the most glaringly despicable tenets of fundamentalism in Islam: The vast difference in the perceived value of the lives of females versus males.


That is not at all exclusive to Islam. Many asian cultures have similar extra value placed on sons over daughters. And it is not an accepted tenant of any major culture to starve a daughter to death just for being a girl.
 
2012-09-19 10:08:50 PM  
Glad the judges had the balls to make the right call. The girl will never recover, and it's time to give her siblings closure.
 
2012-09-19 10:22:52 PM  
Wow that is a farked up situation.

Morally it is difficult to chose the right decision (Judges that is). I have no idea how I would have handled that if I were in their shoes.
 
2012-09-19 10:29:42 PM  
argued they should have the final say on their daughter's medical care ... Nope. they gave that right a while ago.

Crucify them .
 
2012-09-19 10:30:18 PM  
Gave up that right. dammit.
 
2012-09-19 10:39:20 PM  
Well. Now I'm sad.
 
2012-09-19 10:49:53 PM  
Insert "Racist/Religious" comment here.
 
2012-09-19 11:33:58 PM  
I'm sure they are doing it to collect welfare too
 
2012-09-19 11:52:53 PM  
Meanwhile in America 
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2012-09-20 12:26:17 AM  
Interesting how the parents aren't allowed to be with each other. They will also get 20 minutes separate from one another with the child, under police guard, before she is taken off the life support.

There is support from their community for the parents saying that the charges are exaggerated. How to you exaggerate cardiac arrest from a head injury and weighing only 13 pounds at age 2? She fell off the couch and forgot to eat for months?
 
2012-09-20 01:23:28 AM  

Ambivalence: Highroller48: These sick farks loved and cared for their lone male child and pretty much tried to kill off the 2 girls through deliberate neglect. While I'm sure I'll be accused of trolling, this underscores one of the most glaringly despicable tenets of fundamentalism in Islam: The vast difference in the perceived value of the lives of females versus males.

That is not at all exclusive to Islam. Many asian cultures have similar extra value placed on sons over daughters. And it is not an accepted tenant of any major culture to starve a daughter to death just for being a girl.


This. It would have to take some serious mental instability or personality disorder to overcome natural parental instincts and allow your children to essentially starve to death in your own home. This is way beyond simple patriarchal aspects of a specific culture or religion.
 
2012-09-20 02:32:56 AM  
fark these people so much for wanting to force their child to suffer the most inhumane thing I can possibly think of - being kept alive by machines when her brain is already dead.
 
2012-09-20 04:22:24 AM  
Wow, there''s just nothing I can say. Just wow.
 
2012-09-20 04:30:31 AM  
Now i know the reason aliens don't visit earth.
They believe they might be infected by humanities stupidity and utter disregard for others lives and well-being (also religion. I think the concept of religion scares teh fark out of them).

As a sentient species, We Suck.
 
2012-09-20 04:42:31 AM  
DIdn't we see this show before? Back when her name was Terri Schiavo.

/here we go again.
 
2012-09-20 04:46:18 AM  

leohat: DIdn't we see this show before? Back when her name was Terri Schiavo.

/here we go again.


Canada prides it's self on not being Florida.
 
2012-09-20 04:49:42 AM  

miss diminutive: It would have to take some serious mental instability or personality disorder to overcome natural parental instincts and allow your children to essentially starve to death in your own home. This is way beyond simple patriarchal aspects of a specific culture or religion.


That's pretty much the textbook definition of religion.
 
2012-09-20 04:58:42 AM  

FunkOut: Interesting how the parents aren't allowed to be with each other. They will also get 20 minutes separate from one another with the child, under police guard, before she is taken off the life support.

There is support from their community for the parents saying that the charges are exaggerated. How to you exaggerate cardiac arrest from a head injury and weighing only 13 pounds at age 2? She fell off the couch and forgot to eat for months?


This. There's no possible defense for your two-year old to weigh 13 pounds. That they're even trying to defend themselves is disgusting. I don't have kids. Don't even particularly like most of them. This story still made my heart break for those poor, sweet girls.
 
2012-09-20 05:11:23 AM  
Awful people. Hope they get charged, and convicted with murder, not this plead down to manslaughter crap we get here in the states. Malnourishment is pretty hard to claim as unintentional unless everyone in the family is starving.
 
2012-09-20 05:38:26 AM  

FarkLordOfTheSith: miss diminutive: It would have to take some serious mental instability or personality disorder to overcome natural parental instincts and allow your children to essentially starve to death in your own home. This is way beyond simple patriarchal aspects of a specific culture or religion.

That's pretty much the textbook definition of religion.

religious fundamentalism.

FTFY

I know many people whose religious beliefs inform them leading a good life wherein they treat
everyone with decency, kindness, respect and love.

Unfortunately, we only hear about the nutballs who think that because their religion tells them
'this way is the right way' they have the right, nay, the duty to impose their beliefs on people
regardless of whether the people are willing to listen.

If you generalize and say 'all religous people are nuts', then you are guilty of the same sort of
fundamentalist thinking that you are decrying.

/Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.
 
2012-09-20 05:45:20 AM  

FarkLordOfTheSith: miss diminutive: It would have to take some serious mental instability or personality disorder to overcome natural parental instincts and allow your children to essentially starve to death in your own home. This is way beyond simple patriarchal aspects of a specific culture or religion.

That's pretty much the textbook definition of religion
.


No, it isn't. 

If you can't see the difference between religion and demented, malevolent, neglectful people who happen to belong to a specific religion then you're painting a huge portion of the world's population with one hell of a gigantic brush.
 
2012-09-20 05:55:50 AM  
He ordered the parents, who cannot be named, to have separate visits lasting no more than 20 minutes each. They have been denied bail and are not allowed to have contact with each other.
...
Lawyers for the parents, who are Muslim



So much for that.
 
2012-09-20 06:00:14 AM  

DjangoStonereaver:
/Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.


I don't think you understand how insulting that remark happens to be.
 
2012-09-20 06:05:08 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: /Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.


Piss off. I'm doing my OWN work, thank you very much.
 
2012-09-20 06:16:43 AM  
I can't imagine starving a child -- I feel guilty if I'm an hour late to serve my dogs their meals.
 
2012-09-20 06:20:37 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: DjangoStonereaver:
/Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.

I don't think you understand how insulting that remark happens to be.


www.madmann.com
 
2012-09-20 06:31:24 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: /Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.


Please tell your god to quit being such a lazy sack of shiat and do his own work, like ending the life of this child tortured in his name.
 
2012-09-20 06:40:32 AM  
Better suffer physical torture for being born female instead of psychological torture that lasts for years as your parents beg to have a second child that might be male.

/end troll
 
2012-09-20 07:03:14 AM  
Reminds me of one of the episodes of Little Mosque on the Prairie.
 
2012-09-20 07:35:47 AM  
"Lawyers for the parents, who are Muslim"

Hold on guys, you've got it all wrong. The Lawyers are Muslim. Doesn't mean the parents are. I don't think we should assume anything more than the article tells us.
 
2012-09-20 08:02:33 AM  
Why are the parents, who starved and abused their daughter, allowed any time with her? So they can get in one more punch?
 
2012-09-20 08:13:33 AM  
I have a problem with the end-of-life visit. Fark that. They murdered her. They get nothing. It's all for sympathy anyway - Look at me, grieving parent! So sad! Don't send me away for life a decade! (forgot this was Canada)

Also, hell no they have any farking say at all in her care.
 
2012-09-20 08:16:55 AM  

sgh46: "Lawyers for the parents, who are Muslim"

Hold on guys, you've got it all wrong. The Lawyers are Muslim. Doesn't mean the parents are. I don't think we should assume anything more than the article tells us.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-20 08:17:03 AM  

sgh46: "Lawyers for the parents, who are Muslim"

Hold on guys, you've got it all wrong. The Lawyers are Muslim. Doesn't mean the parents are. I don't think we should assume anything more than the article tells us.


The parents are Muslim. There have been many articles recently here about this story over the past week. That's why I added a bit of back-story in the Boobies.


Ffilter pre-empt!
 
2012-09-20 08:40:29 AM  

BronyMedic: fark these people so much for wanting to force their child to suffer the most inhumane thing I can possibly think of - being kept alive by machines when her brain is already dead.


This and

But after a few minutes of discussion, the panel of three judges dismissed the request. Slatter said there was no legal issue that merited overriding the best interests of the child.

this.

So, the child is "suffering" because "Her brain is already dead"? Are you retarded?

"The best interests of the child" are to execute her.

What the living fark are you people smoking?

Also this is a two year old. I hate kids, sure, but let's be realistic here: kids' brains are weird. I've seen cases where 80% brain damage is sustained and then the kid heals. This is somewhat common around 2 years old.

I say give it a year or two, if nothing happens then I have no firm argument against pulling the plug; the possibility has been observed here but it happens over months or short years, not decades. While it's distasteful, economically keeping alive a dead meat sack is a drain and has no real return.
 
2012-09-20 08:42:58 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: God-is-a-Taco: DjangoStonereaver:
/Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.

I don't think you understand how insulting that remark happens to be.

[www.madmann.com image 413x413]


That girl is hot. She should totally tell those two biatches to go fark off, then go screw their boyfriends.
 
2012-09-20 09:05:23 AM  
From a culture where daughters are seen more as domesticated property is anyone in the civilized world surprised?
 
2012-09-20 09:16:47 AM  

bluefoxicy: DjangoStonereaver: God-is-a-Taco: DjangoStonereaver:
/Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.

I don't think you understand how insulting that remark happens to be.

[www.madmann.com image 413x413]

That girl is hot. She should totally tell those two biatches to go fark off, then go screw their boyfriends.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-20 09:51:31 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: bluefoxicy: DjangoStonereaver: God-is-a-Taco: DjangoStonereaver:
/Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.

I don't think you understand how insulting that remark happens to be.

[www.madmann.com image 413x413]

That girl is hot. She should totally tell those two biatches to go fark off, then go screw their boyfriends.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 225x556]


Who is this? Some old Republican peeking around the locker at the hot pink chick?
 
2012-09-20 10:28:41 AM  
gods are imaginary, religion is mental illness
 
2012-09-20 10:37:50 AM  

bluefoxicy: BronyMedic: fark these people so much for wanting to force their child to suffer the most inhumane thing I can possibly think of - being kept alive by machines when her brain is already dead.

This and

But after a few minutes of discussion, the panel of three judges dismissed the request. Slatter said there was no legal issue that merited overriding the best interests of the child.

this.

So, the child is "suffering" because "Her brain is already dead"? Are you retarded?

"The best interests of the child" are to execute her.

What the living fark are you people smoking?

Also this is a two year old. I hate kids, sure, but let's be realistic here: kids' brains are weird. I've seen cases where 80% brain damage is sustained and then the kid heals. This is somewhat common around 2 years old.

I say give it a year or two, if nothing happens then I have no firm argument against pulling the plug; the possibility has been observed here but it happens over months or short years, not decades. While it's distasteful, economically keeping alive a dead meat sack is a drain and has no real return.


Their argument is not that she is brain dead. If you had continued reading:

Doctors have testified the girl in a coma has an irreversible brain injury and will never regain consciousness. They said she has suffered repeated illness and needs an operation to allow her to keep using a breathing machine. The operation would be the first in a series of invasive procedures and doctors have agreed there's no way to know if she can feel pain.

They need to do multiple invasive surgeries to keep her on the breathing machine. They have no way of knowing if she can feel pain. That means the surgeries needed to keep her alive could be horrifyingly painful for her.
 
2012-09-20 10:41:44 AM  

miss diminutive: Ambivalence: Highroller48: These sick farks loved and cared for their lone male child and pretty much tried to kill off the 2 girls through deliberate neglect. While I'm sure I'll be accused of trolling, this underscores one of the most glaringly despicable tenets of fundamentalism in Islam: The vast difference in the perceived value of the lives of females versus males.

That is not at all exclusive to Islam. Many asian cultures have similar extra value placed on sons over daughters. And it is not an accepted tenant of any major culture to starve a daughter to death just for being a girl.

This. It would have to take some serious mental instability or personality disorder to overcome natural parental instincts and allow your children to essentially starve to death in your own home. This is way beyond simple patriarchal aspects of a specific culture or religion.


Yeah, there is no major nation with a culture that routinely kills or abandons daughters.
 
2012-09-20 11:10:43 AM  

bluefoxicy: DjangoStonereaver: bluefoxicy: DjangoStonereaver: God-is-a-Taco: DjangoStonereaver:
/Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.

I don't think you understand how insulting that remark happens to be.

[www.madmann.com image 413x413]

That girl is hot. She should totally tell those two biatches to go fark off, then go screw their boyfriends.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 225x556]

Who is this? Some old Republican peeking around the locker at the hot pink chick?


You must be new here.
 
2012-09-20 11:22:22 AM  

MutantMotherMouse: I can't imagine starving a child -- I feel guilty if I'm an hour late to serve my dogs their meals.


This is more cathartic for me to get out than relevant, but there is a family I know who has really skinny kids. Well, one is 300lbs and the others are skinny. Like, the 13 year old girl is around 88lbs. They just had another baby and he is 5 months and 11lbs. The mom is convinced they each have a different genetic disorder that causes them to be skinny, but there isn't really any proof to that. Everyone is on some medication of some sort, and it's just weird to watch.

/yes, I have tried to help. I spent a few years helping until it was safer to keep my kids away from them. I've seen a few other families do the same thing, and right now she is in another church starting up again. It's a weird situation.
 
2012-09-20 11:29:28 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: FarkLordOfTheSith: miss diminutive: It would have to take some serious mental instability or personality disorder to overcome natural parental instincts and allow your children to essentially starve to death in your own home. This is way beyond simple patriarchal aspects of a specific culture or religion.

That's pretty much the textbook definition of religion. religious fundamentalism.

FTFY

I know many people whose religious beliefs inform them leading a good life wherein they treat
everyone with decency, kindness, respect and love.

Unfortunately, we only hear about the nutballs who think that because their religion tells them
'this way is the right way' they have the right, nay, the duty to impose their beliefs on people
regardless of whether the people are willing to listen.

If you generalize and say 'all religous people are nuts', then you are guilty of the same sort of
fundamentalist thinking that you are decrying.

/Even atheists are doing Gods work, folks.


Favorited.
 
2012-09-20 11:31:31 AM  

bluefoxicy: BronyMedic: fark these people so much for wanting to force their child to suffer the most inhumane thing I can possibly think of - being kept alive by machines when her brain is already dead.

This and

But after a few minutes of discussion, the panel of three judges dismissed the request. Slatter said there was no legal issue that merited overriding the best interests of the child.

this.

So, the child is "suffering" because "Her brain is already dead"? Are you retarded?

"The best interests of the child" are to execute her.

What the living fark are you people smoking?

Also this is a two year old. I hate kids, sure, but let's be realistic here: kids' brains are weird. I've seen cases where 80% brain damage is sustained and then the kid heals. This is somewhat common around 2 years old.

I say give it a year or two, if nothing happens then I have no firm argument against pulling the plug; the possibility has been observed here but it happens over months or short years, not decades. While it's distasteful, economically keeping alive a dead meat sack is a drain and has no real return.



Normally I'd agree with you but the article says she has "suffered repeated illness and needs an operation to allow her to keep using a breathing machine. The operation would be the first in a series of invasive procedures and doctors have agreed there's no way to know if she can feel pain"

"First in a series of invasive procedures" on a battered and abused 2 year old little girl. A little girl who's most likely known nothing but suffering and pain. Do you really want to artificially extend her horrible pain filled life in the hopes she'll be able to breath on her own at some point in the future? Even if she makes a 100% recovery with no lasting brain damage (yeah right) she's still going to have major horrible physical problems and pain to deal with for the rest of her life. Which almost always leads to major mental problems. The chance this girl will ever have a happy life are so slim, impossibly slim.

You want to keep her "alive" so you can feel good about it. What about her? I know I'd rather be dead than be in pain and anguish for the rest of my life. Sometimes it's just time to let people go because it's really what's best for them. I don't think it's fair to make people suffer so we can feel like we did a good thing and "saved" a little girl's "life."
 
2012-09-20 12:33:32 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: The can cite all their religious nonsense they want: These parents effectively killed their 2 year old BABY. Praise be to Allah.


Religion of pieces?
 
2012-09-20 12:52:56 PM  
Some interesting articles, including an opinion piece:

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edmonton/Simons+Ruling+case+proof + that+mercy+reason+rule+prevail/7269008/story.html

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Appeal+court+orders+comatose+Edmo n ton+girl+removed+from+life+support+despite+parents+objection/7267875/s tory.html

The lawyers are now appealing to the Supreme Court of Canada:
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Edmonton+lawyer+seeks+stay+Baby+c a se+Supreme+Court/7272727/story.html

The saddest part is that the lawyers are aiding and abetting the suffering of the child.
Lydia Bubel, the lawyer for M's father, went even farther. She argued vehemently that M's parents believed in miracles, and that the courts had no right to deny them the chance to wait for one.

"They have faith," said Bubel, "and part of their faith is that sometimes miracles happen."


Emphasis mine.

I believe in miracles, too. I want a miracle to win the $50M Lottomax, odds are only only 28,633,528 to 1 chance of winning. Alas, it has not happened and I am still a pauper.
 
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