Cymbal: What's being lost here is the fact that we are still relying on coal for a large portion of our energy needs.

Coal. You know, the stuff that sure was something back in the 19th century.

So we should stop using it because it no longer burns?

Biological Ali: Agneska

Never attempt to be funny again.

Don't listen to him. Attempt to be funny again.

Gunther: Shaggy_C: Secondly, I have no idea whether attendance was mandatory and neither do you. It's a he-said/she-said situation

No, it isn't:

Asked by WWVA radio's Blomquist about the allegations, Murray Chief Operating Officer Robert Moore said, somewhat confusingly, "Attendance was mandatory but no one was forced to attend the event."

Both sides say attendance was mandatory. Admittedly one side doesn't seem to know what the word "mandatory" farking means.

Look, you can't really blame him. This poor job creator has to deal with all these 'mandatory' job killing regulations from the EPA, OSHA, Mining Board and the like. They follow some, some they ignore. You know, they are mandatory, but optional ...

Optional if you have enough money and power to swing things your way.

I think we can officially start writing up the premortem for the Romney campaign.

I don't know why we even have miners anymore. Isn't everyone supposed to be a "Knowledge Worker" by now?

badaboom: Mrtraveler01: badaboom: I can't imagine why a coal miner wouldn't want to support Obama....


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Gateway pundit huh?

Sounds legit.

Maybe you would like to hear directly from the jackasses mouth?

Link

/Barry is for using coal
//but wants it to be so expensive that no one can use coal
///wait what?

bwahahaha, you lyin son of a biatch... I watched your video, you took one frame that totally misrepresents what you know he said, which was that if someone builds the coal plant and doesn't actually implement controls, it will bankrupt them. I'll give that one an A+ for trolling, which unfortunately lands you on the ignore list too. It was a pleasure meeting you and evicting you from my fark experience.

Oh, and this for any coal miners out there:

they gather round the glass
tough hewers and crutters
child trappers and putters
the little foals and half-marrows
who pushed
and pulled the barrows
the hod boys
and the rolleywaymen
5.15 a.m.

Romney is a man of his word. He really believes in the coal industry. He would like to put the industry with more workers out of business to help them really. But remember. Coal is so clean compared to wind.

Romney and Ryan want to end the Wind Energy Tax Credit.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57507023-503544/ryan-backs-rom n ey-on-wind-energy-tax-credit/

Wind Energy employs more people than coal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/29/wind-now-employs-more-peo_n_ 1 62277.html

Shaggy_C: Bender The Offender: What part of "mandatory" do you not farking understand? Are you really proud of this kind of intellectual dishonesty? You're not a stupid person, I've seen you make sense before.

First off, it's not intellectual dishonesty. It's being deliberately obtuse. Secondly, I have no idea whether attendance was mandatory and neither do you. It's a he-said/she-said situation and we have no paper trail to back it up.

When the employer said it was mandatory in the NPR interview, I believed them. What you're saying is that you don't believe either side, because your reality needs to be more fair than actual reality.

skullkrusher: Hamilstan: If the mine was closed that day, why are the miners covered in coal dust?

Cuz Sundy is shower day at the crick

Because coal dust doesn't just wash off. There's some jobs that are so dirty you don't ever really get clean, no matter how much you shower.

stiletto_the_wise: I don't know why we even have miners anymore. Isn't everyone supposed to be a "Knowledge Worker" by now?

Ask Mike Rowe

I tend to agree with him

Agneska: Liberals: Oooo that Romney so mean and so evil. He rich? Oooo yeahhh. He rich and me so pooor and stoopid. Why Romney rich and me so poor and so so stooopid? Me don't know. Romney so bad he lie to miners and take their moneys. He like Mr. Burns from Simpson show. Haw haw haw! Just like Mr. Burn, so funny. Mr. Burn bad and rich, like Romney. Haw haw haw Not poor and stoopid like me. So funny.

Does Koch brother's jizz taste smooth and rich as it slips down your gullet?

Spaz-master: Accusations coming from AFL-CIO

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That probably has more to do with you being a dumbshiat scab than anything else.

A Dark Evil Omen: "Attendance was mandatory but no one was forced to attend the event."

"Attendance was mandatory but no one was forced to attend the event."

"Attendance was mandatory but no one was forced to attend the event."

"Attendance was mandatory but no one was forced to attend the event."



I know this is incredibly mean of me, but she looks like a Charles Schulz character come to life. 

Off topic, but holy crap. Jon Stewart DESTROYED Rmoney/FoxNews tonight. Must watch.

firefly212: When the employer said it was mandatory in the NPR interview, I believed them. What you're saying is that you don't believe either side, because your reality needs to be more fair than actual reality.

What I'm saying is that his statement makes zero sense. It can't be both mandatory and also not required. I have no idea what to think of the situation.

tzzhc4: In other news Paul Ryan dated a women that looked like him.

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ryan has nicer lips

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Off topic, but holy crap. Jon Stewart DESTROYED Rmoney/FoxNews tonight. Must watch.

I think they have been doing that without Jon's help.

A couple of things:

Eastern coal is dirtier than Western coal; Reagan, with a Republican-dominated Congress, signed environmental legislation that made lower-sulpher Western coal more viable. Next, mining jobs have become very highly mechanized, which means today's mines can produce more with fewer workers. Illinois coal production was up something like 13 percent this year, but with fewer miners working than ever, only about 3,200. There are actually more jobs in Illinois now for building wind generator towers than there are for mining coal. Meanwhile, Obama has pumped millions into clean coal research subsidies, to prop up those coal production jobs while reducing the environmental hazards. On top of all this, fracking has over-produced domestic natural gas and crashed the coal market. Coal has to be shipped by rail at a cost. Gas runs thru pipelines much cheaper. Everything about Romney's coal ad is dead wrong, wrong, wrong.

So he's running an ad that documents a violation of federal labor law. Good to know.

Bloody William: ""Attendance was mandatory but no one was forced to attend the event.""

What.

Murray closed the mine the day of the rally, saying it was necessary for security and safety, then docked miners their pay for those hours.

What. 

Did I step into a time machine and suddenly the presidential campaign is happening in the 1890's?

"We couldn't physically make them go (force) but we would fire them if they didn't attend (mandatory).

LectertheChef: skullkrusher: Hamilstan: If the mine was closed that day, why are the miners covered in coal dust?

Cuz Sundy is shower day at the crick

Because coal dust doesn't just wash off. There's some jobs that are so dirty you don't ever really get clean, no matter how much you shower.

I'd like to hear more about these other jobs...

/illusions, Michael!

Shaggy_C: Obama's visit will focus on the groundbreaking of a road project funded by federal stimulus dollars, but not everyone is anticipating his trip, 10TV's Lindsey Seavert reported on Thursday.

The U.S. Secret Service has stopped a nearby construction project at Nationwide Children's Hospital, meaning the workers will not be on the site and will lose a day of pay.

"I am glad the president's coming but I sure would like to make that money tomorrow," said George Harrison, a construction worker.

Laborers with the Local No. 423 union said the Secret Service shut down the Turner Construction site to protect Obama.

"The bosses told us we weren't working because the president is coming, and we are wondering why," Harrison said. "That's $200 we are missing out on. Everybody needs to eat right?"

Ooh! I remember this one... it's the worthless article that implies real work disappears if it's not taken, because everyone apparently thinks in terms of the service economy these days.

The argument is invalid. The work will be done, later, and basically the same people will be paid for it. It didn't go anywhere. The construction is still waiting.

DownDaRiver: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DownDaRiver: Earlier this year Obama went to Ohio to give a speech touting his jobs creation package that "he" created.
Approx 50 construction workers at a job site and another 20 or so at a road construction project lost a days pay when both sites were shut down for the day because they were close to where he was speaking.

A. Cite?
B. Which job creator was constructing a road?

A: Earlier this year, it was in the news Google it yourself if you don't have anything better to do
B: Waht??

Well, we know the government doesn't build that stuff with tax money, it all goes to loafers and welfare cheats. So that means it was being built by and for Private Enterprise. Right?

Any Pie Left: Eastern coal is dirtier than Western coal; Reagan, with a Republican-dominated Congress, signed environmental legislation that made lower-sulpher Western coal more viable

And Clinton locked a big chunk of it away - without the approval of congress or the locals.

HeadLever: stiletto_the_wise: I don't know why we even have miners anymore. Isn't everyone supposed to be a "Knowledge Worker" by now?

Ask Mike Rowe

I tend to agree with him

Part of the problem Rowe laments can be directly attributed to the systematic assault on organized labor. With many unions, primarily the trade unions, an important function that they serve is with their apprenticeship programs. But, with the preference for cheap, non-union labor, the money to pay for those apprenticeship programs has in many areas dried up.

Trade schools, for most people considering the trades, are expensive. Without that apprenticeship, that would pay a decent wage, it's kind of hard to pay for school, on top of rent, food, clothing, transportation, and everything else in life.

So, two part problem really, the for-profit education system being a factor, as well as those with the skills to pass on just not getting any farking work because it's cheaper to hire migrant workers and filthy scabs to do a shiatty job.

 

Some of you are starting to make Freepers sound clever in comparison.

you libs want to know what attendance is mandatory but you aren't forced to go means?
it means see you there or never see you again. nobody's forcin anything.

badaboom: Guess noone bothered to read the entire firkin article:

Murray (THE OWNER OF THE MINE), in an interview in Tampa, Fla., said "nobody was ordered to attend" the rally. "Nobody knows who attended and who didn't.

Yeah, no one has any idea which workers attended the rally and which ones didn't.

Well, nobody except for the mine employee who checked their names off a list as they got on bussed to be taken to the event.

falcon176: you libs want to know what attendance is mandatory but you aren't forced to go means?
it means see you there or never see you again. nobody's forcin anything.

Right. If you don't want to support the politician your boss supports, and you get fired, that's just the free market at work. Not a violation of federal law at all. And even if it was a violation of federal law, federal law doesn't apply because states' rights and tenth amendment. So if those coal miners enjoy mining coal (which was put there by Jesus six thousand years ago) then they better come to Romney's rally.

Mrtraveler01: I found this to be much more informative: Link

Keyboard cat has more credibility than PolitiFact.

LectertheChef: Part of the problem Rowe laments can be directly attributed to the systematic assault on organized labor.

I would tend to disagree. Your point would be much better served in the context of little free trade. That is not the world we currently live in. Protectionist attitudes, whether in labor or in polices, is pretty much a bane on efficient production. Unions were very important. There is still a place for unions, but it is pretty small compared to what it was.

While I do like the aspects of the apprenticeship programs for things like plumbers, electricians and specialty welders, these skills are not needed by 80% of general labor. That does not mean that they are important. Rowe's point is that these uneducated workers that put in a full day's work and strives to do the best they can should be held up just the same as anyone else that does a good job.

I know about this. I grew up with non-union miners, ranchers and loggers that took pride in their work in providing goods to the American people. I know union folks that feel the exact same way. They work hard, make a living and generally enjoy their life. They don't make much money, but get by. However, the derision an utter contempt that comes their way from many in the liberal and republican elite baffles us all.

No one really spends much time looking into what can be done to really keep American's backbone from developing scoliosis. This is Rowe's point.

While under Obama, they would all loose their jobs get unemployment, welfare and food stamps.

LordJiro: Fossil fuels in general SHOULD be more expensive, and, eventually, should be phased out in favor of renewable alternatives. We can't stay on 'em forever.

Try telling that to that large percentage of the country that believes "forever" will be finished when Jesus returns...any day now.

Shaggy_C: Obama's visit will focus on the groundbreaking of a road project funded by federal stimulus dollars, but not everyone is anticipating his trip, 10TV's Lindsey Seavert reported on Thursday.

The U.S. Secret Service has stopped a nearby construction project at Nationwide Children's Hospital, meaning the workers will not be on the site and will lose a day of pay.

"I am glad the president's coming but I sure would like to make that money tomorrow," said George Harrison, a construction worker.

Laborers with the Local No. 423 union said the Secret Service shut down the Turner Construction site to protect Obama.

"The bosses told us we weren't working because the president is coming, and we are wondering why," Harrison said. "That's $200 we are missing out on. Everybody needs to eat right?"

thanks for outing yourself

one small post for man: LectertheChef: skullkrusher: Hamilstan: If the mine was closed that day, why are the miners covered in coal dust?

Cuz Sundy is shower day at the crick

Because coal dust doesn't just wash off. There's some jobs that are so dirty you don't ever really get clean, no matter how much you shower.

I'd like to hear more about these other jobs...

/illusions, Michael!

At this point someone needs to add a pic of tank girl in the sand shower, but alas, I am not skilled enough. Until then, I will imagine it in my head.

Mrtraveler01: Shaggy_C: Obama's visit will focus on the groundbreaking of a road project funded by federal stimulus dollars, but not everyone is anticipating his trip, 10TV's Lindsey Seavert reported on Thursday.

The U.S. Secret Service has stopped a nearby construction project at Nationwide Children's Hospital, meaning the workers will not be on the site and will lose a day of pay.

"I am glad the president's coming but I sure would like to make that money tomorrow," said George Harrison, a construction worker.

Laborers with the Local No. 423 union said the Secret Service shut down the Turner Construction site to protect Obama.

"The bosses told us we weren't working because the president is coming, and we are wondering why," Harrison said. "That's $200 we are missing out on. Everybody needs to eat right?"

So it was a lame attempt at a false equivalency then? Sounds good to me.

Bingo! That's really what the problem is: false equivalency. The claim in and of itself didn't seem outrageous. Security concerns for a setting President (or even a major party nominee) could very well force this to happen. Closing a job site may be required because there are areas that the secret service needs to restrict access to. That being said, the constructions workers werent' docked and forced to attend. That would be equivialent. That, however, was not the case. False equivalency is false.

redheededstepchild: one small post for man: LectertheChef: skullkrusher: Hamilstan: If the mine was closed that day, why are the miners covered in coal dust?

Cuz Sundy is shower day at the crick

Because coal dust doesn't just wash off. There's some jobs that are so dirty you don't ever really get clean, no matter how much you shower.

I'd like to hear more about these other jobs...

/illusions, Michael!

At this point someone needs to add a pic of tank tub girl in the sand shower, but alas, I am not skilled enough. Until then, I will imagine it in my head.

FTFY

redheededstepchild: And the gaurds in the tower, with the guns, and the fences topped with barbed wire,..... they were there to keep people out. And this is his vision on how america should work.

Arbeit macht frei.

They should be allowed to brand you chattel. I mean if you don't have any self respect why should anyone else?

But, no, mormons can't be racist.... they babtized all those Jews, converting them after they died into a religion they probley knew nothing about. More forced attendant, if you ask me.

DownDaRiver: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DownDaRiver: Earlier this year Obama went to Ohio to give a speech touting his jobs creation package that "he" created.
Approx 50 construction workers at a job site and another 20 or so at a road construction project lost a days pay when both sites were shut down for the day because they were close to where he was speaking.

A. Cite?
B. Which job creator was constructing a road?

A: Earlier this year, it was in the news Google it yourself if you don't have anything better to do
B: Waht??

The government builds those roads. But government doesn't create jobs.