poorjon: Just pay the goddamn waitstaff a goddamn decent goddamn wage and get rid of this goddamn stupid awful f*cking debate once and for all. Why do I have to analyze the global economic situation and balance it against getting my food stink-palmed every time I want a goddamn steak? Why can't I just pay people money for food?

The idea behind it is that it encourages good and prompt service. Go to a country that tipping is not the custom and you will see just how little the waitstaff cares about the customer. The Netherlands is especially bad. They simply do not care about the customer. I'm not saying the system is great, but it sure does punish employees who suck.

/perhaps all industries should work on a tipping system

skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney: skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney: ive worked a ton in the service industry and 20% is still mandatory for me unless the server is absolutely awful.
in which case i tip more just to try to make their day better. i know its not my job to do so, but you would have no idea how much it can turn someones day around to get an excessive tip when they know they gave shiat service.
but i have never faulted people or got angry over a 10 to 15% tip, thats just some peoples standards.
its getting stiffed completely that incites rage.

/insert racist service industry joke here, possibly about 'canadians'

Canadians are really bad tippers. Especially the black ones.

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yes.

/thatsthejoke.jpg
//I know white people slang

i was just making it obvious for those unaware.
hell, i like you, you can come over to my house and fark my sister.
/i dont have a sister

Markoff_Cheney: skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney: skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney: ive worked a ton in the service industry and 20% is still mandatory for me unless the server is absolutely awful.
in which case i tip more just to try to make their day better. i know its not my job to do so, but you would have no idea how much it can turn someones day around to get an excessive tip when they know they gave shiat service.
but i have never faulted people or got angry over a 10 to 15% tip, thats just some peoples standards.
its getting stiffed completely that incites rage.

/insert racist service industry joke here, possibly about 'canadians'

Canadians are really bad tippers. Especially the black ones.

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yes.

/thatsthejoke.jpg
//I know white people slang

i was just making it obvious for those unaware.
hell, i like you, you can come over to my house and fark my sister.
/i dont have a sister

that's ok, I don't have a penis.

skullkrusher: Scooby Doo can doodoo, but Jimmy Carter is smarter

"Well, Camus can do, but Sartre is smartre!"

I like to have as much in common with black people as possible, so my very large penised self tips very little.

10-20% depending on how good the service is. If it was exceptional and I'm plastered -- maybe more. If you are really good, I'll leave it as a cash tip so you can not declare some of it. If you suck, I'll leave a penny and a reprint from an old Dear Abbey column that discusses what tipping is about. $1 a drink at the pub unless you turn off the juke box, then I get stingy.

You will get 15% and only 15% from me. Next time I visit New York it will be a hoot...

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: skullkrusher: Scooby Doo can doodoo, but Jimmy Carter is smarter

"Well, Camus can do, but Sartre is smartre!"

we did that in reverse order but plus un por vous

Cyno01: jmr61: I have no problem with a 25% tip if the service and food is excellent.

But I want it to be my choice.

KrispyKritter: the Poughkeepsie area is home to a lot of wonderful restaurants as the Culinary Institute of America is not far. there is lots of very well trained chefs that know how to staff an eatery that makes for a lovely dining experience. good food and good wait staff gets good tips.

if my fat face is happy the minimum is 18%. a attentive server with a nice smile and a good personality may get 50% or more. you make my day, i'll make yours.


The waitstaff have little to no bearing on the quality of the food aside from temperature possibly. Cooks make at least a bit above minimum wage and dont see any of that tip money. Tip for service, and if the kitchen farks up your food, dont take it out on your server unless theyre unapologetic, take it up with the manager.

I was at a burger place one time and ordered sweet potato fries instead of regular. Few minutes later, our food came out, sans my fries. The server apologized profusely and said they would be up in just another minute. Well, a few minutes later, she comes back again without my fries, obviously terribly embarrassed, she doesnt know what the problem is in the kitchen, she said she was told they would be going in the fryer next. I guess they were in the weeds and sweet potato fries were an uncommon enough order that they always had to be done a la minute. A few minutes later, she comes back, still no fries, by this time ive finished my burger, everyone else has finished their food, were all sorta just sitting around waiting for my fries. She says shes already talked to her manager and my meal has been comped. She provided awesome service, and still got a good tip because it wasnt her farkup.

And that is exactly what I mean in my previous post by "make an effort to make things right".

I only tip whores.

Tipping exists to benefit the restaurateurs, not the diners and not the wait staff. It does so in two ways:

1) It holds fixed costs down when business is slow, allowing the restaurant to pay waiters a lower base wage. Waiters have to endure lower income during these times and hope they'll make up for it during busier periods. "Tip creep," especially when encouraged by the management in the form of suggestions on menus or gratuities automatically added to the bill, is mainly a way for ownership to avoid having to give staff raises or raise the price of menu items (see "airline fees"). Waiters themselves probably have no say in the matter.

2) It encourages up-selling. That five percent that you think you are adding or subtracting from the tip to reward or punish quality of service most likely goes completely unnoticed by the staff; it's peanuts compared the extra money they make by persuading you to order an extra appetizer or more expensive bottle of wine. This generates more revenue and higher profit margins for the restaurant, just like that super-size popcorn and coke the concessionaires at movie theaters keep pushing on you.

Cyno01: Considering the value of a dollar and how the actual minimum wage is just about the lowest ever, tip creep is inevitable if waiters are to earn a livable wage.

Math fail. You do understand that food is getting more expensive so tips are already going up? 15% of $10 is less that 15% of $20. (I usually tip 20%, rounding up to the nearest dollar, but that's to keep the math simple). What is actually creeping up is waiter expectations. They are negotiating with the public not to spit in their food. Wait staff essentially have a COA built into their wages. As long as things get more expensive their wages go up. Not to bust on waiters, but my brother, for instance, works as a cashier at a supermarket. He doesn't work any less than a waiter and his wages are stagnating. (And through unconscionable wage practices that give a small raise at 6 mo., a year, 2 years, 5 years, etc. that don't adjust for minimum wage unless minimum wage catches up to them, he'll still be making just a little bit over minimum wage). He's been there nearly 20 years.

If you feel bad about the waiters raise their minimum wage. That will protect them from slow nights and help even out their income, and prevent restaurants from staffing more people than they need at slow times when waiters make sh**. If you own a restaurant and you want mandatory tips, build it into your price and then tell people not to tip. You have the power to pay your employees a percentage of what they serve. A mandatory tip is, however, part of the price and should be listed as such under truth in advertising.

Even better yet, increase the earned income tax credit, or even turn it into a full blown negative income tax. A waiter at a real restaurant (I'm not talking about tip jars at Dunkin' Donuts) is probably out-earning just about anyone else at the low end of the job market with similar training.

I don't mean to sound crabby, but I don't like half-a&& solutions. The entire working class is facing economic starvation. Fixing little pieces of it here and there just divides the voting block that could be used to actually fix it and get everyone who is working hard a living wage.

This is how to tip.

PERCENTAGES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY PUNY MORTAL!

skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney: skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney: skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney:

that's ok, I don't have a penis.

and for the second time in one day


Smeggy Smurf: Tip the chef. They have a marketable skill.

they get paid a livable wage.

If the staff at the restaurant would just pool their money and buy larger quantities of drugs together, they could probably get a bulk discount. Tip-creep wouldn't be needed, they'd have more money just by spending less.

To my waiters: You will get 10-15% for average service, 15-20% for good service. For too much service, you are just being annoying and tip-mongering, in which case you get knocked back down to 10-15%. If you suck, the most you'll get is a dollar from me. I work unpaid overtime in a very demanding job for my money. You pour glasses of water and carry plates of food. I'll be damned if I give you more than 20% of a regular bill. You might get a higher percentage if I don't order a full meal, or if it's really cheap, or if I linger.

Let me do some math for people who take offense to that. Let's say my group of three or four goes out for modest dinner and spend 75 minutes at a table and rack up a 60 dollar bill. We get good service and leave a 20% tip - 12 dollars. All the other patrons at the restaurant act similarly. Waiter makes 30-40 bucks an hour. We were more than generous, buddy. If you think you deserve more, get a job that contributes something more substantial to society and takes more than a white shirt, black pants, and one day of training.

/Now all the waiters hate me.
//I'm glad, didn't want to eat at your crappy restaurant anyway
///Once saw my dad (a usually generous tipper) leave a dime as a tip. He said, "that's more than she deserves." He was right.

TofuTheAlmighty: Tipping threads - for those who like internet conflagrations but hate contemplating genital cutting.

I've never contemplated genital cutting, so I'm not sure if I like it or not.

15% for average service, 20% if you are good. Nothing if you are a dick/

crabsno termites: 15% for average service, 20% if you are good. Nothing if you are a dick/

What if they're a dick at Dick's?

Summoner101: crabsno termites: 15% for average service, 20% if you are good. Nothing if you are a dick/

What if they're a dick at Dick's?

Dick for them, then.

And the Papa said, "Oy, if I get that boy
I'm gonna stick him in the House of Pretension!"

OhioUGrad: . However, then you'd probably get into the whole would they still provide good service if their pay didn't depend on it

Absolutely. I get bad service, I go somewhere else, like I do with every other farking business.

HideMonkey: And the Papa said, "Oy, if I get that boy
I'm gonna stick him in the House of Pretension!"

+1

Markoff_Cheney: skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney: skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney: skullkrusher: Markoff_Cheney:

that's ok, I don't have a penis.

and for the second time in one day
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Smeggy Smurf: Tip the chef. They have a marketable skill.

they get paid a livable wage.

ok, that was lie

crabsno termites: Summoner101: crabsno termites: 15% for average service, 20% if you are good. Nothing if you are a dick/

What if they're a dick at Dick's?

Dick for them, then.

Hint: Dick's restaurants have wait staff that are purposefully dickish

Cyno01: Considering the value of a dollar and how the actual minimum wage is just about the lowest ever, tip creep is inevitable if waiters are to earn a livable wage.

That would be true if prices haven't been rising at restaurants (which they have). Have you been out lately? $8 for ten chicken wings?

As those prices rise, then the 15% that they get is larger. But since prices go up AND they want a higher percentage, they are basically double dipping.

Restaurants, and anyone one else in the tipped industry, need to raise their prices and pay their workers an acceptable wage. Relying on the kindness of your customer to pay your employee voluntarily is unfair to the worker and the customer.

stonicus: The concept of tipping in general isn't a problem for me. The problem is this:
We go out to dinner. I order a filet mignon. You order a hamburger. From the server's perspective, he took both of our orders, gave them to the kitchen, then carried a plate to our table. We got the SAME service from the server, but I am expected to pay them more for it. fark that shiat...

Exactly. To start with, most any meal takes the same effort for the SERVER, so why do you tip more on one than the other. Same goes with a $8 bottle of wine or a $60 bottle.

And for the cook, many times a cheaper meal is more difficult to make. Order a sandwich vs a steak, a steak is pretty easy to grill, a sandwich can be difficult, yet the steak is 3x more expensive. Same with lobster, throw it in boiling water, it is done.

Summoner101: crabsno termites: Summoner101: crabsno termites: 15% for average service, 20% if you are good. Nothing if you are a dick/

What if they're a dick at Dick's?

Dick for them, then.

Hint: Dick's restaurants have wait staff that are purposefully dickish

Live on the far side of the country. Don't know dick about dick's dick waiters

/like where this is going.

I usually start at 20% as my default and work my way down. Don't recall ever getting service that warranted less than 15%.

Had lunch at Pappadeaux last weekend and did 25%. Our waiter was awesome, friendly, and helpful.

/ had alligator for the first time.
//critter that ugly and nasty has no right to be so tasty.

25%?....

Two-five...

Twenty-farking-five-farking-percent tacked on to the bill otherwise I feel like a guilty piece of shiat for the rest of the day...

Ok...

O-KAY!

Fine....

You know what? I'm just not going to go out anymore. I'm going to cook at home now, even if it's just ramen farking noodles and a bag of pre-seasoned vegetables boiled-in-a-bag...

Because you know what?

I can't afford it anymore.

and I can't take the guilt.

And YOU GODDAMN AMERICANS!!!!

Are completely and utterly responsible and to blame for all of this horseshiattery!

This horseshiat that servers need tipping, that they can't earn a living wage, and that tipping NEEDS to exist in order for service to be more than a clanging plate dropped on my table and a drink begrudgingly clonked onto my table without spit in it

Is entirely, completely, here and now, in the year 2012, your goddamn fault.

And Canadian servers will get used to the idea...even though they already earn more than minimum wage...
even though they don't have to deal with nearly the amount of stupid, asinine, utterly self-entitled white-bread 40+-white-soccer-mom-in-a-costco-parking-lot entitled bullshiat that is the BLOODY HALLMARK of American dining

"Hi. Can I ask you a question about the coffee? Is it organic? Okay, I don't want it.

I'd like a bowl of boiling hot water. Boiling... With ice. But I don't want the ice to get all tiny.

And then I'll have the turkey burger, but I want it sectioned into fourteen quadrants; I know that's impossible, but do it.

And then not on a plate, I'd like it dropped from an altitude of ten feet, piece by piece, into my hands with an attitude of regret. Thank you so much. I hate to be a pain!"

All I want is a goddamn meal, and MORE than one farking refill for my $17.45 allegedly "bottomless" watered-down-half-moldy-inadequately carbonated goddamn pepsi...

For which I will now pay for the privilege of having it clanged upon my table by a bitter unmarried 30something harpy to the tune of 25% shame-tax.

And Aussies don't have to tip...

But then again, they don't live next to the entitlement capital of the universe, so they didn't have to adapt tipping as a way to get the friggin' kids out of the goddamn kitchen just to do their friggin' jobs!

Markoff_Cheney: meanmutton: Cyno01: Considering the value of a dollar and how the actual minimum wage is just about the lowest ever, tip creep is inevitable if waiters are to earn a livable wage.

Tips are a percentage of the total bill. Servers and bartenders are the only employees in America outside of government employees who get an automatic raise, without tip creep.

Also, servers and bartenders generally significantly more than minimum wage.

...........after tips?
there are even exemptions from minimum wage for servers and bartenders. its around 4 bucks an hour, or NOT EVEN WORTH SHOWING UP FOR on a slow day.

Depends on state law. In my state, if a server's tips plus their $2.13/hr doesn't at least come out to be minimum wage, the employer makes up the difference.
As for bartenders, I'm from a tourist beach. They make BANK! But they earn every penny of it.

Oh boy. Another Fark tipping thread....

Transubstantive: poorjon: Just pay the goddamn waitstaff a goddamn decent goddamn wage and get rid of this goddamn stupid awful f*cking debate once and for all. Why do I have to analyze the global economic situation and balance it against getting my food stink-palmed every time I want a goddamn steak? Why can't I just pay people money for food?

The idea behind it is that it encourages good and prompt service. Go to a country that tipping is not the custom and you will see just how little the waitstaff cares about the customer. The Netherlands is especially bad. They simply do not care about the customer. I'm not saying the system is great, but it sure does punish employees who suck.

/perhaps all industries should work on a tipping system


So why in every other job in America your boss monitors your work and if you don't perform you are fired? Why are waiters/waitresses special where they can only perform if they are getting tips, and managers can't evaluate how well they are doing or even if they are doing their job?

Besides, a lot of tips boil down to if the girl is hot and if she is flirty. Get a fat 35 year old woman as a waitress, she can be the best in the world but won't make great tips.

And this whole "tip me or I will fark with your food" bullshiat... yeah, way to make your case!

OhioUGrad: I'll tip on drinks.....food I'll cook at home.

The problem I have with tipping is that servers expect it no matter what they do good or bad. I'd rather the restaurant just pay people a living wage because I'm tired of hearing about tipping. However, then you'd probably get into the whole would they still provide good service if their pay didn't depend on it blah blah blah....don't know why I commented at all now haha

Here's a crazy idea... treat them like the cooks, and busboys, and prep cooks, and dishwashers, and managers, and hostesses... do your job right or your farking fired! Why is that so hard to process?

Sorry I didn't order the Begging Bowl

Hello, Farkers. Some of you like to write 500 (or more) word explanations about your rules for tipping. Most of us don't really have the time to read through your lengthy tirades, but you might be wondering how your speeches are received. Well, I'm here to help you. To the rest of us, your long, carefully thought out posts come down to this:

I HAVE A SMALL PENIS.

Smooches,
Your Friend,
BnT