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(Talking Points Memo)   Mitch McConnell bravely ran away. When reporters reared their ugly heads, he bravely turned his tail and fled. Bravest of the brave, Mitch McConnell   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 74
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2012-09-19 07:36:08 PM  
13 votes:

OriginalGamer: SouthParkCon: Oh look another hit piece on all things non-Progressive dropped right on the main page. *Shock*

Keep that hope and spare change alive because the Magical O doesn't have the new car smell he did back in '08.

Progressive?

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To be honest, my issues with Romney come my Conservatism. Romney isn't a Moderate, he's not Conservative. He's just an amorphous blob of corporatist goo that doesn't even have ballast chambers to control his buoyancy.

That's the thing about Romney, is that folks from both the Left and the Right can find things to really worry them. Especially with his tenth or twelfth "reboot" of his campaign. There is nothing really there to support. No hard policy. A lot of equivocation, and a LOT of bloviating when he should really be concentrating on the issues at hand, as opposed to trying to keep "score."

Romney isn't a solid candidate, and hasn't been since the start. There isn't really anything to support. No policies, nothing but vague rhetoric, and a commitment to whoever is in the room with him, save on the issue of his own taxes, and a pledge to keep folks from looking too close at the taxes of those closest to him.

That should worry any good Conservative. Couple it with his asinine statements on foreign policy, and an abandonment of principles of governing, and you have things that should worry everyone. Right or Left or Centerist, Romney is a candidate only for those folks who want "their" side to win, over the good of the nation, and our children's futures. This isn't about teams, it's about recognizing a man who isn't fit for office, and who never should have gotten on the slate in the first place...
2012-09-19 07:27:51 PM  
12 votes:
Of course, the Republicans (the leadership minus Romney) will blame this all on him. It's not THEM nor their shiatty platform/ideas/philosophy, it's Romney. Romney ruined it (if he does lose, and I'm not going to tempt fate and predict that, because I suck at predicting election results).

It's not their gay-hating, woman-hating, black and brown people-hating, poor people-hating positions that are wrong. It's Romney. Nothing Romney (or Akin) has said publicly (or on hidden camera) differs from the way the majority of the leadership actually feels, they (Romney and Akin) are just saying them out loud, for the rest of us to make fun of.

The Republican Party knows how their candidates feel, because they've been saying this shiat amongst themselves all along. Romney and Akin are just supposed to keep it on the down-low. Everybody knows Republicans have nothing but contempt for poor (ie, black) people. Everybody knows. We're all just supposed to pretend that isn't what they believe, because to do otherwise would be, well, rude.

I guarantee you a majority of the old, white Republican voters (like my mother) agree with everything Romney said. They don't think there's anything wrong with it. Romney used "code words" the way Republicans always do. When Romney says "people who don't pay income taxes," they all know he means "black welfare queens and illegals from Mexico." They know he wasn't referring to God-fearing, Social Security-collecting grandma, even though she's one of the 47%.
2012-09-19 04:56:04 PM  
11 votes:
i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.
2012-09-19 07:28:53 PM  
8 votes:

Slu: Coelacanth: Mitch runs away from a lot of things Link

What's funny about this is that I (and, I assume, a lot us born after the draft was disbanded) don't really have a problem with draft dodging. Hell, I can't say I wouldn't take any avenue possible to avoid getting drafted to fight in the Middle East. Man up and admit you are a pussy, Mitch. Some of us would be proud of you for it.


If said draft dodger is a pacifist, who doesn't want to send other people's kids off to die in wars, then he is morally consistent. If he is a warhawk, he's a hypocrite.
2012-09-19 07:30:14 PM  
6 votes:
I honestly thought Romney was going to make a much more challenging opponent for Obama then he has been proving to be. Yes, it's not over until it's over but his weakness is endemic. It's not something to be easily overcome with a pithy slogan.

I thought Romney would be challenging for Obama because he would point to his record in MA and portray himself as a sane moderate alternative. Little did I know that his campaign would decide to portray him as a full-on conservative instead. What fools - you don't win general elections in this age without being able to appeal outside of your base to the "other" side. The republican base was always going to vote for Romney no matter what... So he really had to swing only so many voters away from Obama to win.

Instead he abandons those hopes and tries to portray himself as a deep conservative, and gets a supposed conservative to run with him. I think the root problem is that Romney does not actually HAVE an ideology of his own. He has ambition, he has a sense of entitlement - but he has shown every sign of actually having no significant ideology of his own besides achieving his own personal ambitions. I thought his lack of ideology would be a strength for him as it would allow him to pretend to be what he needed to be. I failed to realize that having absolutely NO actual philosophical ideology of his own would instead be a weakness because 1. he'd be just as likely to pretend to be something OTHER than what he needed to be to win the general election and 2. his insincerity would be impossible to hide considering the depth and breadth of his utter lack of his own philosophy.
2012-09-19 07:19:19 PM  
6 votes:
Senator turtle-man is in my opinion a traitor to the nation for his deliberate (and proudly publicly pre-announced) attempts to monkey-wrnech the US government since inauguration day, just to make things bad enough to make Obama a one-termer. He should DIAF and his cronies with him. There's loyal opposition, then there's farking with the US economy on a macro scale just to sway an election your way. Fark him with a rake. He's more un-American than most terrorists.
2012-09-19 07:08:01 PM  
6 votes:
I get the feeling that the Republican leadership is embarrassed not because of the insult to 47% of Americans, but rather because one of their cabal got caught telling the truth as they see it.
2012-09-19 05:09:24 PM  
6 votes:

FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.


Don't get cocky. There's still 7 weeks left in this election.
2012-09-19 07:32:03 PM  
5 votes:

Animatronik: Another bullshiat political thread with a stupid troll headline greenlit on the main page.

Welcome to 21st century Fark


When you can't argue the facts, complain about the messenger.
2012-09-19 07:40:30 PM  
4 votes:

SouthParkCon: Oh look another hit piece on all things non-Progressive dropped right on the main page. *Shock*

Keep that hope and spare change alive because the Magical O doesn't have the new car smell he did back in '08.


Yeah, the Republicans took a shiat in the backseat, and they refuse to help clean it up.
2012-09-19 04:58:53 PM  
4 votes:
That is the fastest-retreating turtle I have ever seen.
2012-09-19 08:58:36 PM  
3 votes:
1.bp.blogspot.com

"These are the people who never pay taxes." - Mitt Romney, 2012
2012-09-19 07:25:40 PM  
3 votes:

Raharu: What is RmoneyMoneys position on key issues?


ECONOMY: Tax cuts for the rich

FOREIGN POLICY: Tax cuts for the rich

HEALTHCARE: Tax cuts for the rich

25.media.tumblr.com

"Et CE-tera... Et CE-tera... Et CE-tera!"
2012-09-19 05:11:03 PM  
3 votes:
Senate Mutant Ninny Turtle
2012-09-19 05:06:04 PM  
3 votes:
you'd think he'd just hide in his shell.
2012-09-19 09:34:35 PM  
2 votes:

TOSViolation: jmr61: This is what Mitt Rmoney ACTUALLY believes:



Does he have a valid birth certificate?
Will he make my 401k have some money left in it when I reach retirement age?

All I know is that the current administration seems more like a reality TV show cast.


I have no idea why you would think that about the administration. You probably have no idea either, not that it matters.

If Mitt gets in, he will institute policies that will allow the rich to suck the wealth out of the economy far faster than they put in any wealth. When you take out far more than you put in, you are a winner. Romney is a big winner in that game and he wants to go for the grand prize. 

Mitt has never contributed anything to the economy beyond what he took out of it for himself.
2012-09-19 09:31:01 PM  
2 votes:
I would consider Barack Obama a black, well-educated, Republican candidate without an unreasonable since of entitlement if this was any time between 1896-1964
2012-09-19 08:35:22 PM  
2 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: PlatinumDragon: Hmmm.

I wonder what the voicemails and email inboxes of Republican legislators' offices must be like these days.

This is toxic for the GOP. Their already-lukewarm presidential candidate is now radioactive, individual legislators are disclaiming his remarks, and the leadership isn't willing to mount more than a weak, token defence before quite literally retreating for safe ground.

I honestly didn't expect a self-inflicted bombshell like this, certainly not after the conventions. His reputation as a liar and chameleon made a lot of people suspicious even before the nomination race began. The short foreign tour was damaging enough. The Libya screwup made him look jumpy and desperate. To have his real opinions about half of the country, along with other spectacularly poor ideas, caught coming out of his own mouth after all of this time, apparently leaked by a Republican, may finish him in the purple states. I wonder if he could even lose a solidly red state or two.

Just wait... There is no chance the anti-Rmoney folks leaked their best stuff this far from the election.


What it boils down to is that WE, as an electorate, have to stop treating elections like they're sports events. There are no teams, just Americans making choices for their representatives. And that is what we have to reclaim. Representation. And that means NOT voting for folks, EVEN IF they're on your "team" if they show themselves to be amoral, reprehensible slime balls who put their own benefit before that of the people and the nation.

How many folks, would be voting for Romney if he were an Independent? How many would be voting for the man, not the "side"? Take that little letter away, and vote for the man, vote for the candidate who you think will do the best job. Based on words actually spoken. Based on past policies supported and enacted. Based on the job that they've done.

I am STILL fairly Conservative, but the party has abandoned those principles, but there are still folks I will vote for, based on their policy decisions. Based on their record. Some of them are Republicans. Some of them are Democrats. Some of them won't be either, this time around. I can say, for certain, that Mitt is NOT a good choice for the nation. If he were a Democrat, the folks who are decrying his treatment would be screaming for his head.

And that's the problem. It's not a gottverdammt sport. Vote for the man, vote for the polices, and screw the appellation at the end of their name. Vote who you think will do best for the nation. That is the ONLY way we can reform the system at this point, and it takes consistently voting for the best candidate, not the team.
2012-09-19 08:13:40 PM  
2 votes:

The_Original_Roxtar: ah yes, the "my team" vs "their team" farknuggetry that comprises 99.9732% of US politics.

newsflash: even the ones on "your team" are only telling you what they think you want to hear. they don't give a fark about you.


Voter suppression favors the GOP. Higher turnout favors Democrats.
2012-09-19 07:53:40 PM  
2 votes:
His numbers were a bit off. For the most part the sentiment was correct. I think people should stop getting angry when politicians tell the truth. Those who are dependent on the government for a paycheck are not likely to vote for smaller government. Why is this such a big story?
2012-09-19 07:52:49 PM  
2 votes:
Remember when Obama was elected and McConnell said 'the people have spoken...now let's get back to doing the country's business'. Yeah me neither.
2012-09-19 07:47:34 PM  
2 votes:

Aexia: Is there a particular reason Republicans consider Nancy Pelosi to be "corrupt" or are they just butthurt over the Speaker having been a strong progressive woman?


She is not a Republican. That is all the reason they needed to begin full-throatedly, histrionically vilifying her starting the very minute she was elected House Speaker. Didn't matter who it was, her or someone else; whichever non-Republican is named Speaker or minority leader is going to be the most corrupt, batshiat-insane socialist lib who ever nazied.
2012-09-19 07:42:04 PM  
2 votes:
img253.imageshack.us
2012-09-19 07:39:49 PM  
2 votes:
Is there a particular reason Republicans consider Nancy Pelosi to be "corrupt" or are they just butthurt over the Speaker having been a strong progressive woman?
2012-09-19 07:36:34 PM  
2 votes:
"Well, Mitch, what's your number TWO priority?"
2012-09-19 07:26:49 PM  
2 votes:
Boy, I bet that the leadership is happy as heck that they decided to sideline Huntsman and Johnson now...
2012-09-19 07:24:47 PM  
2 votes:

SouthParkCon: Oh look another hit piece on all things non-Progressive dropped right on the main page. *Shock*

Keep that hope and spare change alive because the Magical O doesn't have the new car smell he did back in '08.


Condescending rhetoric is only convincing when you are winning. You are not winning.
Maybe you could spare thirty seconds to list all the good things about your guy.
Well, OK, that won't work, either. Actually, I don't know what the f**k you guys are gonna do. No chance at the White House, looks like you're losing ground in the Senate - and won't win what you need in the house.
It might be time for the GOP to shed it's skin and grow a new one. Again.
This radical right shiat didn't even fly in the late fifties - no way in hell it will fly now. America is sick of this reactionary shiat.
2012-09-19 07:16:13 PM  
2 votes:
Girion47
2012-09-19 07:03:33 PM

fark you Mitch, during your next election cycle I'm going to be campaigning hard against you, I don't even care what kind of dumbshiat the democrats dig up to oppose you, I'm going to try my hardest to evict you from office.

/SF Farkers, if I can eliminate Mitch will you get rid of Nancy?


NO
2012-09-19 07:07:40 PM  
2 votes:
2012-09-19 07:05:18 PM  
2 votes:
This GOP presidential campaign does start to make a lot more sense if you imagine it's a big Monty Python skit.

GOP leadership actively dodging questions about their candidate less than 2 months from the election. Good Lord.
2012-09-19 07:01:35 PM  
2 votes:

Mentat: RexTalionis: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

Don't get cocky. There's still 7 weeks left in this election.

True, but at this point any counterattack feels like the Battle of the Bulge. I think something huge would have to happen for Obama to suddenly lose support. I don't think even winning the debates will cut it for Romney. The Libya issue could have and should have been his chance to pivot and put Obama on the offensive, but he couldn't even get that right.


We don't tempt fate. That's bad.
2012-09-19 07:00:54 PM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

Don't get cocky. There's still 7 weeks left in this election.

oh, i know the dems can still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. but the past few weeks have been delicious, regardless.


It's like watching a Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud II and a vintage Ferrari head towards a railroad crossing simultaneously while a Lear jet crashes onto both of them just before the 1:40 from Scranton arrives.
2012-09-19 05:20:34 PM  
2 votes:

RexTalionis: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

Don't get cocky. There's still 7 weeks left in this election.


oh, i know the dems can still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. but the past few weeks have been delicious, regardless.
2012-09-20 03:02:06 AM  
1 votes:
Republican members of Congress up for re-election are going to dump this shiathead overboard to save their own skin. Gotta love it.
2012-09-20 12:27:55 AM  
1 votes:
Wow, this thread got jacked, hard. You're arguing with a jackass when you should be making fun of Mitch McConnell. For shame.
2012-09-19 11:04:45 PM  
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Both parties ARE equally negative in their own ways. Ideally, who "should" we vote for? The best candidate who is the most sane (this is why I'm grudgingly voting Obama this time around). If we could get enough people to get their heads out of their asses and on the move to get EC votes for a third party and that third party was sane, then I'd go that way. Ron Paul is not sane. He's just insane in a different way than Obama or Romney.

Obama is the least farked up candidate we have for prez. For house and senate? we can start at Maine and get rid of whatsername that's completely batshiat, and work our way to California and get rid of Pelosi.

And, no, maybe I don't know anyone you would consider "Extremely left wing". However, I know several folks that are on the same level of legislating their views as the ultra-radical right wingers, and the positions they support, while not as controversial as abortion or gay marriage, are equally as damaging, such as those that would levy huge taxes and tariffs on businesses to cover the costs of environmental programs, or those that think we should arbitrarily ban certain types of cars or cars in general or other weird shiat that floated out of a haze of bong smoke.


See, the difference between the parties--and someone's probably pointed it out above, but I don't have time to skim the rest of the thread--is that the Republicans elect the batshiat insane right-wing types. Democrats tend not to. Sure, you get a few aberrations, McKinney or Rangel for instance (who are wacky less for policy than for plain insanity). But the policies you're describing from the "extreme left wing" are to the left of the sorts of things Bernie Sanders proposes... Sanders being hands-down the farthest-left person in national office (in the US) right now.

As far as levying tariffs on polluting businesses, well, talk to noted hyper-leftist Tricky Dick Nixon about the EPA and the Clean Water Act...
2012-09-19 10:22:01 PM  
1 votes:

TOSViolation: The truth is that I don't think any human society can properly implement Socialism due to the human nature of greed. Capitalism is in our nature.


It's absolutely false to say that capitalism is in our nature. It is not. It never has been. It probably never will be.

There's a reason it didn't arise as a mature philosophy until the mid-18th Century. And, there's a reason the Republican party has recently been assaulting capitalism at every turn. It's the same reason that you cite for the impossibility of socialism: greed.

You might think I made a mistake by pointing out the Republican hostility to capitalism. But, I'm completely serious. For capitalism to work, choices must be, essentially, free. That means, regulation must be in place to prevent greedy people from colluding and forming cartels and monopolies and other combinations in restraint of trade. As Adam Smith, known by many as the father of capitalism wrote, "people of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices." It also means that if a person chooses to sell his labor, he should be able to negotiate a fair price for it.

But, Republicans say, "hang the regulations that keep capitalism functional." Get rid of the unions that allow workers to negotiate on a level playing field. And, why shouldn't they? Capitalism is an inherently democratic (not referring to the Democratic party, here) concept and Republicans are not democrats. Ditto for unions. Thomas Jefferson could have been talking about the modern Republican party when he wrote that we, "now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and moneyed incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry. This will be to them a next best blessing to the monarchy of their first aim, and perhaps the surest stepping-stone to it."
2012-09-19 09:53:44 PM  
1 votes:

TOSViolation: coyo: Yes, I am guilty of pulling 50k out of my ass. Certainly there are values that are local maxima on the best of breed scale. I'm not being rigorous on the number but I would want to pick a number that allows you to have a comfortable life even if you are at the minimum to pay taxes. And sure, you'd get those converting their money to gold and lima beans; I wouldn't worry that they'd derail things.


I was saying that I think it might be interesting if taxes were calculated in real time. Would it open us up to "ZOMG tha gubmint is trackin me!11!1"? Maybe. Who knows?

I just know that I'm paying for schools that are no longer of any use to me. If I don't have kids attending school, then why should I pay taxes to support them? If the families of the students can't fund the schools, then maybe they shouldn't have so many kids.

I'd rather my tax dollars be diverted to things that actually benefit me, like the fire department or police. Use my money to fund pot hole repairs instead of some useless tween douchebag with an iPhone, texting instead of learning anything.




Really? I would happily contribute far more towards the schools as having to deal with even a few less stupid people in a day would be luxurious to me.
2012-09-19 09:46:44 PM  
1 votes:

TOSViolation: TOSViolation: Well, at least someone will be well off. Obama just wants everyone to be broke and homeless.


Dear FBI, Secret Service, DHS, NSA, and anyone else it may concern,

The above linked comment should have read "Obama just SEEMS to want..." In no way was I implying a statement of pure fact or attempting to defame the president. That was purely a statement of opinion.

Sincerely,
A Registered Voter


You don't SEEM to have a very tight grasp on reality.
2012-09-19 09:45:52 PM  
1 votes:

coyo: You know, I would be fine with a flat tax that taxes all income the same and exempts the first 50,000 that everybody makes in a year. Yes, all income : capital gains, inheritance, christmas bonus. Also remove the exemption from churches from paying taxes.


So you're far to the right of noted left wing radical Milton Friedman, who suggested a flat tax that had a standard of living exemption that if a household did not meet would actually get a check from the government for the difference (look up the "negative income tax"). Yeah, nobody was stupid enough to go for that idea.

The crazy thing is that the "Austrian School" has become some sort of pop psychology, where even Fredrick Hayek quotes are completely rejected as Marxism at this point by people who think they have it figured out from one Intro to Microeconomics course under their belt.
/majored in Economics
//Intro classes turned me into Libertarian
///Grad-level courses that covered econometrics, labor and health economics, and market inefficiencies pushed me firmly into what I'd like to think is Rockefeller Republican territory but makes me seem like a hardcore leftist to the current bunch of crazies in the party.
2012-09-19 09:41:06 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: The truth is, there are no easy answers from either the left or the right. It may be that we hit the end of our imperial cycle even sooner than the Romans did, and without a plague to kick us the rest of the way.


There are ASTOUDINGLY easy answers. Tons of them laying around like so much lint on a nylon sock. They do not, however, service the present "GIMMIE GIMMIE AND F*CK YOU!" mentality.
2012-09-19 09:39:48 PM  
1 votes:

steamingpile: He is right that the only way to fix the economy is to let people make their own money instead of just giving out more government funds, that cycle will kill the economy and make us a 3rd world nation in less than a generation.


Do you not realize that the set of "people who do not pay income taxes" is NOT equivalent to a set of "people who are leeching off of government funds"? 

You'd have to be stupid not to realize that right away...so, I guess your point about many people liking Money Boo Boo's statement might actually be true. It's not reflected in the latest polling (a plurality view Money Boo Boo's statement negatively) -- but I never discount the Republican party's ability to mislead people.
2012-09-19 09:38:48 PM  
1 votes:

Grungehamster: amquelbettamin: If my after-tax income earns a dividend after reinvestment into our economy I don't believe that dividend should be taxed the second time via Capital gains. I also don't think it's particularly good for a capitalist economy to tax returns on invested capital.

And do you think that it is particularly good for a capitalist economy to tax the production or consumption of goods?

Look, the "double taxation" canard is ridiculous because we tax virtually each and every transaction other than charity and a handful of government sponsored programs to either compensate people or provide social protection. The fact that you have to pay money on profits you make regardless of if the profits were from your labor, your money, your intellectual property, or simply a windfall. It sucks, but we do give an incentive to invest for those who choose to in the form of lower tax rates. Would you say "I got my paycheck and went and bought a lottery ticket, why am I double taxed on my winnings?"

Where is that Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon when you need it?


Don't go that route.

If you buy a stock for $100, get dividends from it of $50, and then sell it for $100, you only pay taxes on the dividend portion. That means you only get taxed once on the $150.

The IRS only taxes you once on the money you get. You might get taxed on it and somebody else might get taxed on it, but that's expected. If I buy a hamburger, I pay income tax on the money and the burger flipper pays income tax on the money.
2012-09-19 09:21:24 PM  
1 votes:

TOSViolation: I'm just wondering why the FBI hasn't hunted down the person who illegally filmed the event, violating wiretapping laws. The cops try to throw people in jail for far less, but this is a case where they truly did break the law.

I don't care what or why Romney said what he said. A crime was committed, and everyone involved should be jailed. I don't see how it's even legal for YouTube to host the results of illegal wiretapping.


So you think Jammy Okeefe should be in jail and ACORN should still be in business? Am I reading you correctly?
2012-09-19 09:21:19 PM  
1 votes:

TOSViolation: Some Bass Playing Guy: Where did you get your GED in law, dumbass?


Do you even know what a GED is? Is your cat typing for you while you babble incoherently with your mouth stuck to your bong?


I think I'm gonna shut you off now. You have nothing useful to say and you're not witty. Nothing personal.
2012-09-19 09:18:21 PM  
1 votes:

TOSViolation: It just pisses me off that we can't seem to get a Republican president who acknowledges the significance of the fact that STUPID, LAZY PEOPLE get to vote too.

Why can't the Republican candidates learn how to lie like the Democrats at least until the election is over?!

If Republicans were better liars, we wouldn't be down in this ditch Obama paid illegal immigrants to dig for us.


They used to be.

You have only yourselves to blame, pandering to the fringie Teahadist base in 2010. Some of us Democrats (me) warned you and warned you that you were opening Pandora's box with that one, and you scoffed and said you'd rein them back as soon as the midterm elections were done. But some of THEM got elected as well, and they insisted on driving the GOP farther into the fringe.

The GOP used to fight the dirtiest, ugliest campaigns ever--they still have the record for most money spent to smear a candidate and dirtiest tricks ever played (both Nixon, IIRC), but they never alienated the people who had to vote for them, and they always went back to running the country when they were done. Since 2008, they've been lying, cheating, stealing and slandering right out in the open and still your fringies want more. So you have only your pandering selves to blame, I'm afraid.
2012-09-19 09:16:11 PM  
1 votes:

Dahnkster: TOSViolation: Sure, bad people do and say bad things. I think they should be held accountable for those things. There still is a point where a line has to be drawn. When you cross that line, you stop being the "crusader for justice" and start being the criminal. It just feels like that line was crossed by the person who recorded the event.

www.crabbygolightly.com

There still is a point where a line has to be drawn. When you cross that line....

ARREST THEM!



I don't even know what in the Hell you're trying to say there. Not a single one of those cameras is hidden. They're all outside, in a public venue.

Are you having a stroke too? (it's definitely not one of genius)
2012-09-19 09:12:24 PM  
1 votes:
We have a populace armed with data capable portable phones with video cameras and small condenser mics in them and the ability to post the footage on a global refrigerator door in about 20 sec. flat. Wake the f*ck up, mister candidate man, cause you can't just park your ass on a caboose and whistle stop through the US, spouting whatever the people in Otter Titty, IN want to hear until you get to Moose Nipple IL and then change your tune. It's not a microscope it's a 50' screen, and you can't bribe the director or just keep sending thugs to taze them and take their cameras. Your old road is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, cause the times they are a changin'.
2012-09-19 09:00:16 PM  
1 votes:
It just pisses me off that we can't seem to get a Republican president who acknowledges the significance of the fact that STUPID, LAZY PEOPLE get to vote too.

Why can't the Republican candidates learn how to lie like the Democrats at least until the election is over?!

If Republicans were better liars, we wouldn't be down in this ditch Obama paid illegal immigrants to dig for us.
2012-09-19 08:34:01 PM  
1 votes:
Mitch McConnell could take a lesson in bravery from President Obama when it comes to answering questions from the press. Just recently Mr. Obama sat through interviews with People Magazine, The Pimp with a Limp and David Letterman. Just after the attack on the diplomatic missions in the Middle East which lead to the death on an US Ambassador, President Obama stood before the Washington press corps and answered every question that was asked or I mean he would have answered every questions, if he allowed them.
2012-09-19 08:32:43 PM  
1 votes:

stoli n coke: Coel


Well, if y'all look at his wikipedia page there's something right there about a medical discharge. Maybe that needs a citation... 

Oh wait, on further examination there is a citation:
Link
2012-09-19 08:20:50 PM  
1 votes:
My number one issue is to make sure Romney is a no term president.
2012-09-19 08:19:26 PM  
1 votes:

Indubitably: Indubitably: OriginalGamer: The_Original_Roxtar: ah yes, the "my team" vs "their team" farknuggetry that comprises 99.9732% of US politics.

newsflash: even the ones on "your team" are only telling you what they think you want to hear. they don't give a fark about you.

Yeah, fark it. NO ONE VOTE!

Wrong answer, man; must vote for Obama, as in, get up off of your ass and vote for the President of the United States of America, man, please?

Thank you.

P.S. And I mean vote for marriage rights, voting rights (as in wtf, no?), and for less obfuscation and pandering to interests that don't give a shiat about you or me (semi-narcissist-talking-and-walking, btw), i.e. Corporations and multi-gazillionaires. Entitlement works both ways, jackhats.

P.P.S. Someone should calculate that shiat.


P.P.P.S. Rich entitlements vs. Poor entitlements vs. Veteran entitlements vs. Corporate entitlements vs. Secure Entitlements, aka War.
2012-09-19 08:19:06 PM  
1 votes:

PlatinumDragon: Kit Fister: PlatinumDragon: Kit Fister: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

I'll state up front that I tend to be pretty centrist in my vies, though i like to think I lean conservative on some things.

That being said, why is it glorious? Why is it at all a good thing for a group that represents a different set of opinions to self destruct? Do we WANT to have any possible counterbalance to people going too far off the liberal end of the scale to be disorganized and in disarray so they cannot offer that balancing weight against the extreme leftists?

You don't like Romney or the extreme right-wing nutjobs. Neither do I. but I still think that some counter to extreme leftist crap is needed: If everyone in congress agreed with one ideal, and that ideal kept pushing further and further left, you'd have no one intervening to even slow the progress down.

Now, again, i hate the ultra-right as much as you seem to, and I hate the ultra left equally. But since common sense and reason is anathema to modern politics, the best we can do is to elect only a bare majority from one side or the other so that neither side can get too crazy with the bullshiat.

You seem to be saying both parties are equally negative. Is there a party you think we should vote for?

/you don't know extreme leftists
//you should see our official opposition up here
///and from where I sit, they're just moderately left

Both parties ARE equally negative in their own ways. Ideally, who "should" we vote for? The best candidate who is the most sane (this is why I'm grudgingly voting Obama this time around). If we could get enough people to get their heads out of their asses and on the move to get EC votes for a third party and that third party was sane, then I'd go that way. Ron Paul is not sane. He's just insane in a different way than Obama or Romney.

Obama is the least farked up candidate we have for prez. For house and senate? we can start at Maine and get rid of whatsername that's completely batshiat, and work our way to California and get rid of Pelosi.

And, no, maybe I don't know anyone you would consider "Extremely left wing". However, I know several folks that are on the same level of legislating their views as the ultra-radical right wingers, and the positions they support, while not as controversial as abortion or gay marriage, are equally as damaging, such as those that would levy huge taxes and tariffs on businesses to cover the costs of environmental programs, or those that think we should arbitrarily ban certain types of cars or cars in general or other weird shiat that floated out of a haze of bong smoke.

We may not be able to go back to a time pre-big industry when the rugged individual could hold his own and be left to his own devices without inducing a massive fail, and some shifting towards a more socially responsible system is a good thing. However, there are limits, and balance helps maintain that by at least slowing down or blocking the most outrageously poorly thought out legislation.

Then again, we still have the problem of how to strip politicians of their greed and bottom-line me-first attitude where they tack on riders and all sorts of shiat that makes a good bill do horrible horrible things, but that's another discussion.

I honestly think you folks should just start ignoring them. All of them. State legislatures, too.

I wish we'd do that up here.


God I wish. Don't get me wrong, it takes all kinds, and people probably wouldn't be as mindful of conservation, conditions of livestock, etc. if it weren't for some of the most radical leftists I can think of. They do some good.

This is why it saddens me to see us treat politics and the leadership of our country like a vicious brawl between two drunk frat boys with all of their drunk friends standing around cheering for their side to "get 'em" and "kill that motherfarker". We're adults, and largely who we choose controls the outcome in a lot of areas, so choosing wisely and having open discussion on topics that are important is a good thing. Figure out a consensus on the issues that matter the most or at least the ones that most need to be addressed, then vote the candidate that is stronger on those issues.

Anyway, I'm an idealist, and while I have certain hard line issues, I think when it comes to the running of our country, having both sides of the coin represented, or even more than two sides, is important in order to see the issue from as many viewpoints as possible to prevent kneejerk legislation because it sounded good but has glaring holes your particular ideals tended to overlook.
2012-09-19 08:18:16 PM  
1 votes:
The fact that it's gotten to this point is rather sad in the global scope of this nation.

I hope I live to see the day when a formidable party is available to choose from. I'm tired of feeling so disenfranchised from two behemoth's conspiring to keep everyone else out of the running.

I'm tired of politicians in general and although they are the norm they don't need to be moving forward. First and foremost these are Governmental positions, not political positions. I'd like to see the majority of politics removed/ignored from these positions.

We really don't need political parties at all, we need people willing to govern for all of us in moral and ethical fashions. 

/I know, it's a pipe dream...
2012-09-19 08:09:45 PM  
1 votes:
Romney is simply not as competent as some make him out to be. Like Dubya, he wouldn't have been anything except for his daddy. Plus he believes in weird afterlife planets and wears magic farking underwear and shiat. I mean, when they were handing out religions, he was at the end of the line.
2012-09-19 07:43:22 PM  
1 votes:

forgotmydamnusername: No. She's actually slicker and more effective than Harry Reid, although I suppose that's setting the bar rather low...


If Pelosi needed to herd Blue Dogs until she got 60% of the House in order to pass anything, you'd be complaining about how ineffective she was too.

Given the 60% requirement, zero margin for error and the out-sized egos in his caucus, Reid did a pretty good job getting stuff through.
2012-09-19 07:38:30 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Boy, I bet that the leadership is happy as heck that they decided to sideline Huntsman and Johnson now...


Have you heard Rinse Pubis talk? He doesn't even live on the same planet that Huntsman does...
2012-09-19 07:36:19 PM  
1 votes:

SouthParkCon: Oh look another hit piece on all things non-Progressive dropped right on the main page. *Shock*

Keep that hope and spare change alive because the Magical O doesn't have the new car smell he did back in '08.


Animatronik: Another bullshiat political thread with a stupid troll headline greenlit on the main page.

Welcome to 21st century Fark


i37.photobucket.com

You can tell it's getting desperate when the typical GOPtards aren't even trying to spin things anymore. They're just down to pouting and whining about their victim complexes now.
2012-09-19 07:35:00 PM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: Another bullshiat political thread with a stupid troll headline greenlit on the main page.

Welcome to 21st century Fark


Is a headline a troll if its true? You're saying it didn't happen?

And I'll take 21st century Fark over 1950s McCarthy era Fark.
2012-09-19 07:31:50 PM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: Another bullshiat political thread with a stupid troll headline greenlit on the main page.

Welcome to 21st century Fark


What are you so afraid of?

Discourse?
2012-09-19 07:31:42 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

Don't get cocky. There's still 7 weeks left in this election.


THIS! The GOP's rat-farking, vote suppression, race baiting, and hurricane of disinformation will increase exponentially as the election approaches.

TFA: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) excused himself in the middle of the availability. The rest - Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-AZ) and Sens. John Thune (R-SD), Roy Blunt (R-MO) and John Barrasso (R-WY) - made no mention of Romney or the race in their comments and instead lamented Senate dysfunctionality and attacked Democratic policies.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
2012-09-19 07:26:59 PM  
1 votes:

Raharu: SouthParkCon: Oh look another hit piece on all things non-Progressive dropped right on the main page. *Shock*

Keep that hope and spare change alive because the Magical O doesn't have the new car smell he did back in '08.

What does RmoneyMoney (his rap name) bring to the table?

What are the specifics of his plan to aid America in these troubled times?

What is RmoneyMoneys position on key issues?


tax cuts
2012-09-19 07:26:50 PM  
1 votes:

Kit Fister: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

I'll state up front that I tend to be pretty centrist in my vies, though i like to think I lean conservative on some things.

That being said, why is it glorious? Why is it at all a good thing for a group that represents a different set of opinions to self destruct? Do we WANT to have any possible counterbalance to people going too far off the liberal end of the scale to be disorganized and in disarray so they cannot offer that balancing weight against the extreme leftists?

You don't like Romney or the extreme right-wing nutjobs. Neither do I. but I still think that some counter to extreme leftist crap is needed: If everyone in congress agreed with one ideal, and that ideal kept pushing further and further left, you'd have no one intervening to even slow the progress down.

Now, again, i hate the ultra-right as much as you seem to, and I hate the ultra left equally. But since common sense and reason is anathema to modern politics, the best we can do is to elect only a bare majority from one side or the other so that neither side can get too crazy with the bullshiat.


You seem to be saying both parties are equally negative. Is there a party you think we should vote for?

/you don't know extreme leftists
//you should see our official opposition up here
///and from where I sit, they're just moderately left
2012-09-19 07:24:46 PM  
1 votes:

SouthParkCon: Oh look another hit piece on all things non-Progressive dropped right on the main page. *Shock*

Keep that hope and spare change alive because the Magical O doesn't have the new car smell he did back in '08.


Progressive?

shewhoprecedesmen.files.wordpress.com
2012-09-19 07:22:34 PM  
1 votes:

SouthParkCon: Oh look another hit piece on all things non-Progressive dropped right on the main page. *Shock*

Keep that hope and spare change alive because the Magical O doesn't have the new car smell he did back in '08.


What does RmoneyMoney (his rap name) bring to the table?

What are the specifics of his plan to aid America in these troubled times?

What is RmoneyMoneys position on key issues?
2012-09-19 07:22:24 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: RexTalionis: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

Don't get cocky. There's still 7 weeks left in this election.

oh, i know the dems can still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. but the past few weeks have been delicious, regardless.


Normally, I would agree with you, but Obama/Biden have been so good at The Game that he'd have a real hard time flubbing themselves, especially with such a huge image problem looming over Mitt.

lh3.googleusercontent.com

/also, why is this on the main page and not in Politics?
2012-09-19 07:20:37 PM  
1 votes:
Hmmm.

I wonder what the voicemails and email inboxes of Republican legislators' offices must be like these days.

This is toxic for the GOP. Their already-lukewarm presidential candidate is now radioactive, individual legislators are disclaiming his remarks, and the leadership isn't willing to mount more than a weak, token defence before quite literally retreating for safe ground.

I honestly didn't expect a self-inflicted bombshell like this, certainly not after the conventions. His reputation as a liar and chameleon made a lot of people suspicious even before the nomination race began. The short foreign tour was damaging enough. The Libya screwup made him look jumpy and desperate. To have his real opinions about half of the country, along with other spectacularly poor ideas, caught coming out of his own mouth after all of this time, apparently leaked by a Republican, may finish him in the purple states. I wonder if he could even lose a solidly red state or two.
2012-09-19 07:19:54 PM  
1 votes:

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Mentat: True, but at this point any counterattack feels like the Battle of the Bulge. I think something huge would have to happen for Obama to suddenly lose support. I don't think even winning the debates will cut it for Romney. The Libya issue could have and should have been his chance to pivot and put Obama on the offensive, but he couldn't even get that right.

If the will of the American people meant jack, that would account for something. Some of us remember Election Day of 2000 and 2004. The election-stealing industry has laid low just long enough be wiped clean from the gnat-like collective American attention span and the time is right for a comeback.


I have never forgotten...
2012-09-19 07:18:50 PM  
1 votes:
Since I paid income tax since I could work, I'm still waiting for Romney to give me a reason to vote for him. I'm part of the 53%, you Mormon bastard!
2012-09-19 07:13:40 PM  
1 votes:

Mentat: True, but at this point any counterattack feels like the Battle of the Bulge. I think something huge would have to happen for Obama to suddenly lose support. I don't think even winning the debates will cut it for Romney. The Libya issue could have and should have been his chance to pivot and put Obama on the offensive, but he couldn't even get that right.


If the will of the American people meant jack, that would account for something. Some of us remember Election Day of 2000 and 2004. The election-stealing industry has laid low just long enough be wiped clean from the gnat-like collective American attention span and the time is right for a comeback.
2012-09-19 07:04:50 PM  
1 votes:
The clownshow has hit a minor bump in the road:

imageshack.us
2012-09-19 07:00:37 PM  
1 votes:
"First of all I'm not going to get critical - your question implies there's some really big flaw in the way he's running the campaign," 

t2.gstatic.com
2012-09-19 06:34:19 PM  
1 votes:
Actually he DID stay and answer all their questions, and called Romney a "Farking moron, an utterly pathetic asshole" and other rants for close to two minutes.

Unfortunately, all the cameras and microphones were inadvertently turned off, but resumed filming just as he left the podium and mumbled something about a factory in China.
 
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