Kit Fister: Both parties ARE equally negative in their own ways. Ideally, who "should" we vote for? The best candidate who is the most sane (this is why I'm grudgingly voting Obama this time around). If we could get enough people to get their heads out of their asses and on the move to get EC votes for a third party and that third party was sane, then I'd go that way. Ron Paul is not sane. He's just insane in a different way than Obama or Romney.Obama is the least farked up candidate we have for prez. For house and senate? we can start at Maine and get rid of whatsername that's completely batshiat, and work our way to California and get rid of Pelosi.And, no, maybe I don't know anyone you would consider "Extremely left wing". However, I know several folks that are on the same level of legislating their views as the ultra-radical right wingers, and the positions they support, while not as controversial as abortion or gay marriage, are equally as damaging, such as those that would levy huge taxes and tariffs on businesses to cover the costs of environmental programs, or those that think we should arbitrarily ban certain types of cars or cars in general or other weird shiat that floated out of a haze of bong smoke.
eraser8: Bhasayate: Obviously, many, many people are greedy, selfish and immoral bastards. But that's not a failure of an economic system, it's a failure of humanity.Not really sure what this has to do with my post.Bhasayate: Many, many, people, regardless of the economic and/or political system, are greedy, selfish and immoral bastards.It's not like getting rid of capitalism is going to magically change that.Who is advocating getting rid of capitalism?Bhasayate: So how does Capitalism fail to work at allWait, what?
Kit Fister: buckler: hubiestubert: And that's the problem. It's not a gottverdammt sport. Vote for the man, vote for the polices, and screw the appellation at the end of their name. Vote who you think will do best for the nation. That is the ONLY way we can reform the system at this point, and it takes consistently voting for the best candidate, not the team.Motherfarking THIS. You know, if they hadn't ousted Huntsman as a science-and-common-sense-addled RINO, I probably still would vote for Obama, but I sure as hell wouldn't be tearing my hair out if Huntsman won. The man's got sense and sensibility, and I'd be happy enough having him as my President (and I'm sure our allies would, too). This goddamned "team spirit" thing is tearing us apart as a country, and it needs to end pronto. Unfortunately, in the astroturfing of the Tea Party, Fox news (the most egregious cheerleaders for their team), corporate America and the GOP created a golem they can no longer control, and it's only pushed us into the depths of hyperpartisanship.Amen, brother.
TOSViolation: Monopolies are not a problem as long as someone else is willing to come along to challenge them. Without government regulations to back them up, monopolies fail in the face of innovation.
TOSViolation: Look at the RIAA. They are no longer relevant without government protection. Recording studios had near-monopolies on music production. They are now largely irrelevant.
bunner: "These are the people who never pay taxes." - Mitt Romney, 2012
Wild Eyed and Wicked: A family member is a high ranking associate in the Republican party - I can hardly wait for Thanksgiving lol. It seems that Romney may give me as much as Sarah Palin did to mock him with. They are the gift that keeps on giving anymore...Excuse any typos because the touchpad does not like my bandaged thumb...damned barb wire.
TOSViolation: snitramc: TOSViolation: I'm just wondering why the FBI hasn't hunted down the person who illegally filmed the event, violating wiretapping laws. The cops try to throw people in jail for far less, but this is a case where they truly did break the law.I don't care what or why Romney said what he said. A crime was committed, and everyone involved should be jailed. I don't see how it's even legal for YouTube to host the results of illegal wiretapping.So you think Jammy Okeefe should be in jail and ACORN should still be in business? Am I reading you correctly?I don't know who either of those are, and I'm pretty sure I don't care.
eraser8: TOSViolation: The truth is that I don't think any human society can properly implement Socialism due to the human nature of greed. Capitalism is in our nature.It's absolutely false to say that capitalism is in our nature. It is not. It never has been. It probably never will be.There's a reason it didn't arise as a mature philosophy until the mid-18th Century. And, there's a reason the Republican party has recently been assaulting capitalism at every turn. It's the same reason that you cite for the impossibility of socialism: greed.You might think I made a mistake by pointing out the Republican hostility to capitalism. But, I'm completely serious. For capitalism to work, choices must be, essentially, free. That means, regulation must be in place to prevent greedy people from colluding and forming cartels and monopolies and other combinations in restraint of trade. As Adam Smith, known by many as the father of capitalism wrote, "people of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices." It also means that if a person chooses to sell his labor, he should be able to negotiate a fair price for it.But, Republicans say, "hang the regulations that keep capitalism functional." Get rid of the unions that allow workers to negotiate on a level playing field. And, why shouldn't they? Capitalism is an inherently democratic (not referring to the Democratic party, here) concept and Republicans are not democrats. Ditto for unions. Thomas Jefferson could have been talking about the modern Republican party when he wrote that we, "now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and moneyed incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry. This will be to them a ne ...
bunner: I can put a halt to all this sh*t in about 10 seconds. It's astoundingly easy, works flawlessly and it will never happen.
TreeHugger: bunner: I can put a halt to all this sh*t in about 10 seconds. It's astoundingly easy, works flawlessly and it will never happen.Uhhhh... wut? Put a halt to what, and how?
bunner: TreeHugger: bunner: I can put a halt to all this sh*t in about 10 seconds. It's astoundingly easy, works flawlessly and it will never happen.Uhhhh... wut? Put a halt to what, and how?All this pissing an moaning about secret cameras and sneaky journalism and cops getting recorded
HotIgneous Intruder: Gads that man is hideous of appearance. He is truly dick headed.
TreeHugger: bunner: TreeHugger: bunner: I can put a halt to all this sh*t in about 10 seconds. It's astoundingly easy, works flawlessly and it will never happen.Uhhhh... wut? Put a halt to what, and how?All this pissing an moaning about secret cameras and sneaky journalism and cops getting recordedOh, silly me. I thought you meant like an EMP to shut down the camera electronics, or something.
TOSViolation: Some Bass Playing Guy: TOSViolation:Put down your iPhone, and do your homework, kid.
Coelacanth: Mitch runs away from a lot of things Link
TOSViolation: Without government regulations to back them up, monopolies
PanicMan: Wow, this thread got jacked, hard. You're arguing with a jackass when you should be making fun of Mitch McConnell. For shame.
jayhawk88: This GOP presidential campaign does start to make a lot more sense if you imagine it's a big Monty Python skit.GOP leadership actively dodging questions about their candidate less than 2 months from the election. Good Lord.
FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.
eraser8: Bhasayate: Many, many, people, regardless of the economic and/or political system, are greedy, selfish and immoral bastards.It's not like getting rid of capitalism is going to magically change that.Who is advocating getting rid of capitalism?
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