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(Talking Points Memo)   Mitch McConnell bravely ran away. When reporters reared their ugly heads, he bravely turned his tail and fled. Bravest of the brave, Mitch McConnell   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 385
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2012-09-19 11:04:45 PM

Kit Fister: Both parties ARE equally negative in their own ways. Ideally, who "should" we vote for? The best candidate who is the most sane (this is why I'm grudgingly voting Obama this time around). If we could get enough people to get their heads out of their asses and on the move to get EC votes for a third party and that third party was sane, then I'd go that way. Ron Paul is not sane. He's just insane in a different way than Obama or Romney.

Obama is the least farked up candidate we have for prez. For house and senate? we can start at Maine and get rid of whatsername that's completely batshiat, and work our way to California and get rid of Pelosi.

And, no, maybe I don't know anyone you would consider "Extremely left wing". However, I know several folks that are on the same level of legislating their views as the ultra-radical right wingers, and the positions they support, while not as controversial as abortion or gay marriage, are equally as damaging, such as those that would levy huge taxes and tariffs on businesses to cover the costs of environmental programs, or those that think we should arbitrarily ban certain types of cars or cars in general or other weird shiat that floated out of a haze of bong smoke.


See, the difference between the parties--and someone's probably pointed it out above, but I don't have time to skim the rest of the thread--is that the Republicans elect the batshiat insane right-wing types. Democrats tend not to. Sure, you get a few aberrations, McKinney or Rangel for instance (who are wacky less for policy than for plain insanity). But the policies you're describing from the "extreme left wing" are to the left of the sorts of things Bernie Sanders proposes... Sanders being hands-down the farthest-left person in national office (in the US) right now.

As far as levying tariffs on polluting businesses, well, talk to noted hyper-leftist Tricky Dick Nixon about the EPA and the Clean Water Act...
 
2012-09-19 11:06:27 PM

eraser8: Bhasayate: Obviously, many, many people are greedy, selfish and immoral bastards. But that's not a failure of an economic system, it's a failure of humanity.

Not really sure what this has to do with my post.

Bhasayate: Many, many, people, regardless of the economic and/or political system, are greedy, selfish and immoral bastards.It's not like getting rid of capitalism is going to magically change that.

Who is advocating getting rid of capitalism?

Bhasayate: So how does Capitalism fail to work at all

Wait, what?


OH sorry. I reply to the one you replied to. i thought that was clear.
 
2012-09-19 11:06:57 PM

Kit Fister: buckler: hubiestubert: And that's the problem. It's not a gottverdammt sport. Vote for the man, vote for the polices, and screw the appellation at the end of their name. Vote who you think will do best for the nation. That is the ONLY way we can reform the system at this point, and it takes consistently voting for the best candidate, not the team.

Motherfarking THIS. You know, if they hadn't ousted Huntsman as a science-and-common-sense-addled RINO, I probably still would vote for Obama, but I sure as hell wouldn't be tearing my hair out if Huntsman won. The man's got sense and sensibility, and I'd be happy enough having him as my President (and I'm sure our allies would, too). This goddamned "team spirit" thing is tearing us apart as a country, and it needs to end pronto. Unfortunately, in the astroturfing of the Tea Party, Fox news (the most egregious cheerleaders for their team), corporate America and the GOP created a golem they can no longer control, and it's only pushed us into the depths of hyperpartisanship.

Amen, brother.


Sucks that I'm on mobile. I need to post some pictures of bears.
 
2012-09-19 11:08:53 PM
I know this is totally off topic, but this is really, really weird....

WTF?
 
2012-09-19 11:10:41 PM
Mitch didn't just pull his head and limbs into his shell? He certainly couldn't have run all that fast.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-19 11:16:31 PM

TOSViolation: Monopolies are not a problem as long as someone else is willing to come along to challenge them. Without government regulations to back them up, monopolies fail in the face of innovation.


That view is naive...and, if adopted, would ultimately damage the economy. I suspect the existing antitrust laws provide the basis for your thinking that your view is plausible. Monopolies come and go in the United States because, as I mentioned earlier, it is ILLEGAL for any firm to deploy anticompetitive practices to protect its monopoly power.

The reason there are multiple, competing oil companies and telephone companies (although their numbers are diminishing) is because the government broke up Standard Oil and AT&T. It isn't because hot shot new firms came in and out competed Big Oil and Ma Bell.

TOSViolation: Look at the RIAA. They are no longer relevant without government protection. Recording studios had near-monopolies on music production. They are now largely irrelevant.


Bad example. You're seriously misunderstanding what happened there.

Music production is still largely a studio affair -- be it a big studio or an independent label. What changed is the methods of distribution and severity of piracy. The RIAA hasn't become irrelevant. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that electronic distribution and piracy has made the Association more important than it's ever been.

Don't make the mistake of confusing the studios -- which produce and, sometimes, distribute music -- with the RIAA, which is a trade group that protects the interests of its members.
 
2012-09-19 11:19:10 PM
TOSViolation: Look at the RIAA. They are no longer relevant without government protection. Recording studios had near-monopolies on music production. They are now largely irrelevant.

Look, I realize you're just stirring up random sh*t, but you want to know how I know you have no f*cking idea what you're talking about? : )
 
2012-09-19 11:22:59 PM

bunner: "These are the people who never pay taxes." - Mitt Romney, 2012


thanks - I don't know what else to say but thanks. It made my day.
 
2012-09-19 11:26:52 PM
Capitalism is, at it's best, the same as socialism, a few, slightly useful shreds of the utter failure that is communism, and every other "ism" you might want to hitch your caboose to. A component of what sort of works when stewarded by honest men. Nothing more. Your kool aid, yes, YOUR kool aid is no less poisonous than the other guy's. Get over it.
 
2012-09-19 11:33:39 PM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: A family member is a high ranking associate in the Republican party - I can hardly wait for Thanksgiving lol. It seems that Romney may give me as much as Sarah Palin did to mock him with. They are the gift that keeps on giving anymore...

Excuse any typos because the touchpad does not like my bandaged thumb...damned barb wire.


Might I humbly suggest that you try to not be "that guy" at Thanksgiving dinner?
 
2012-09-19 11:44:07 PM

TOSViolation: snitramc: TOSViolation: I'm just wondering why the FBI hasn't hunted down the person who illegally filmed the event, violating wiretapping laws. The cops try to throw people in jail for far less, but this is a case where they truly did break the law.

I don't care what or why Romney said what he said. A crime was committed, and everyone involved should be jailed. I don't see how it's even legal for YouTube to host the results of illegal wiretapping.

So you think Jammy Okeefe should be in jail and ACORN should still be in business? Am I reading you correctly?


I don't know who either of those are, and I'm pretty sure I don't care.


Well if you don't know who James O'Keefe and ACORN are, then I guess you just started paying attention to politics in the last couple of years. Welcome. If you really care about punishing those who secretly videorecord unsuspecting, innocent people, and then publish that video to the unfair detriment of said people, then you would be very interested in James O'Keefe and the lives he ruined and what he did to ACORN.
 
2012-09-19 11:44:30 PM

eraser8: TOSViolation: The truth is that I don't think any human society can properly implement Socialism due to the human nature of greed. Capitalism is in our nature.

It's absolutely false to say that capitalism is in our nature. It is not. It never has been. It probably never will be.

There's a reason it didn't arise as a mature philosophy until the mid-18th Century. And, there's a reason the Republican party has recently been assaulting capitalism at every turn. It's the same reason that you cite for the impossibility of socialism: greed.

You might think I made a mistake by pointing out the Republican hostility to capitalism. But, I'm completely serious. For capitalism to work, choices must be, essentially, free. That means, regulation must be in place to prevent greedy people from colluding and forming cartels and monopolies and other combinations in restraint of trade. As Adam Smith, known by many as the father of capitalism wrote, "people of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices." It also means that if a person chooses to sell his labor, he should be able to negotiate a fair price for it.

But, Republicans say, "hang the regulations that keep capitalism functional." Get rid of the unions that allow workers to negotiate on a level playing field. And, why shouldn't they? Capitalism is an inherently democratic (not referring to the Democratic party, here) concept and Republicans are not democrats. Ditto for unions. Thomas Jefferson could have been talking about the modern Republican party when he wrote that we, "now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and moneyed incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry. This will be to them a ne ...


In order for a free market system to operate, all the players have to operate on a level playing field. And we do not have that here in America. We have industries, and only select businesses in those industries, with subsidies. We have a taxation system that tends to ignore tax cheats at one level, and go after others. We have collusion within our government to protect certain players, and certain kinds of business, while hampering their competition. Solar power is one of those competitors right now, you you see the pushback against that. Why? Because campaign funds are available to those folks who work that angle.

We sort of failed in our venture, when we turned to the robber barons to get the railroads laid. We relaxed some of the regulations that fettered corporate entities that we began our democracy with. Why? Because our Founders had first hand experience with the state being bound to corporate interests with the Crown. Used to be, you had to have a charter in every state your business operated in--and you had to show the benefit to the state for allowing your business to operate. Benefit not to the Senators or Representatives, but to the state it was operating in. This kept business interests somewhat fettered. Still profitable, but when you coupled that with weak banks, and a government with limited control of economic measures, especially in how taxation was collected, we had a weird cycle of funding for government projects, and a boom-bust cycle that typified the American economy for over half its span.

The assisted market that we see, has a lot of weight behind it. We subsidize businesses that don't need the assistance, and we have glaring loopholes that are by design to profit folks. Worse, we have expanded our legislation by huge amounts--yes, Virginia, regulations--that minutely identify what is and is not permissible which creates these loopholes that companies can then claim that their practices are perfectly legal.

Regulation IS stifling us. The increased legislation that binds regulatory agencies from actually doing their jobs. Regulation that rewards the largest players to keep doing what they're doing, and demand that smaller players are kept at a disadvantage until they can grow large enough to compete, and the regulation is there to KEEP them from competing fairly, and to keep innovation OUT of our markets.

We need sensible legislation. We need sensible taxation. We need sensible regulation. In order to keep the markets fair. If anything, industries, when they "help" write legislation, what they are doing is binding the government with far more pages of regulation than is necessary, to codify and minutely identify all the conditions that they can skip out, or keep their competition from rising up too fast against them--especially when you see agribusiness take the lion's share of subsidies that they don't really need, but certainly pad out the bottom line. Not to keep afloat, but to keep farmers from competing with them.

We need more sensible legislation, not just less. That is part of the problem right now. Far too much legislation that does very little, because it's designed to hobble agencies from doing their job, and hobble competition, and that is hardly a free market system...
 
2012-09-19 11:49:06 PM

bunner: I can put a halt to all this sh*t in about 10 seconds. It's astoundingly easy, works flawlessly and it will never happen.


Uhhhh... wut? Put a halt to what, and how?
 
2012-09-19 11:50:11 PM

TOSViolation: snitramc: TOSViolation: I'm just wondering why the FBI hasn't hunted down the person who illegally filmed the event, violating wiretapping laws. The cops try to throw people in jail for far less, but this is a case where they truly did break the law.

I don't care what or why Romney said what he said. A crime was committed, and everyone involved should be jailed. I don't see how it's even legal for YouTube to host the results of illegal wiretapping.

So you think Jammy Okeefe should be in jail and ACORN should still be in business? Am I reading you correctly?


I don't know who either of those are, and I'm pretty sure I don't care.


Having said this, we now know you're really 13, typing this in your mom's basement, and nothing else you say need be taken seriously.

Go to bed, junior, the grownups are talking.
 
2012-09-19 11:55:33 PM

TreeHugger: bunner: I can put a halt to all this sh*t in about 10 seconds. It's astoundingly easy, works flawlessly and it will never happen.

Uhhhh... wut? Put a halt to what, and how?


All this pissing an moaning about secret cameras and sneaky journalism and cops getting recorded and ACORN having criminal facilitators on their staffs and Mittens getting all "No fair!"

It's easy.

Ready?

Never, ever say ANYthing you don't absolutely mean and never say anything to anybody that you wouldn't repeat, verbatim, to the world, your mom or a 6 year old girl. Ta da. It involves not trying to con, bullsh*t or game system. So, as I said, it wont happen.
 
2012-09-19 11:59:51 PM

bunner: TreeHugger: bunner: I can put a halt to all this sh*t in about 10 seconds. It's astoundingly easy, works flawlessly and it will never happen.

Uhhhh... wut? Put a halt to what, and how?

All this pissing an moaning about secret cameras and sneaky journalism and cops getting recorded


Oh, silly me. I thought you meant like an EMP to shut down the camera electronics, or something.
 
2012-09-20 12:01:38 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Gads that man is hideous of appearance. He is truly dick headed.


Hey! It's not nice to make fun of turtles!
 
2012-09-20 12:03:24 AM

TreeHugger: bunner: TreeHugger: bunner: I can put a halt to all this sh*t in about 10 seconds. It's astoundingly easy, works flawlessly and it will never happen.

Uhhhh... wut? Put a halt to what, and how?

All this pissing an moaning about secret cameras and sneaky journalism and cops getting recorded

Oh, silly me. I thought you meant like an EMP to shut down the camera electronics, or something.


Nah. that just furthers our collective idiotic notion that life is warfare, money and politics are the field fo battle and the sneakiest bastard wins something. : )
 
2012-09-20 12:04:29 AM

TOSViolation: Some Bass Playing Guy: TOSViolation:

Put down your iPhone, and do your homework, kid.


The stupid. It continues to burn.

All of this talk about ZOMG CRIMEZ is just to deflect from the fact that the the real Mitt Romney has been revealed. In his own words directly from the horses ass.

Change your diaper, Gramps.
 
2012-09-20 12:27:55 AM
Wow, this thread got jacked, hard. You're arguing with a jackass when you should be making fun of Mitch McConnell. For shame.
 
2012-09-20 01:16:49 AM
Came for Mitch Connor reference, leaving dissapointed.

static.tvfanatic.com
 
2012-09-20 01:34:28 AM

Coelacanth: Mitch runs away from a lot of things Link 


***reads link***

Interesting. That wasn't what I was expecting. I thought it would be the story about how Mitch McConnell was terrified of being confronted by a twelve year old girl.
 
2012-09-20 02:42:01 AM

TOSViolation: Without government regulations to back them up, monopolies

will buy legislators and judges until they do have government regulations to back them up.

Hope this helps.
 
2012-09-20 03:02:06 AM
Republican members of Congress up for re-election are going to dump this shiathead overboard to save their own skin. Gotta love it.
 
2012-09-20 03:34:31 AM
After 8 years of bush and 4 years of obama not ending the crap I don't think a hidden camera at a private political fundraiser is really a priority as far as right to privacy goes right now.

Maybe he shouldn't talk mad smack about broad swathes of the american public, even in private.
 
2012-09-20 03:38:17 AM
Romney: "Colonel McConnell, you will give the order for your men to withdraw."

Obama: "No. Colonel McConnell, I want you to tell your men... to run away."

McConnell: "What?"

Obama: "Those words. "Run away." I want you to be famous for those exact words. I want people to call you Colonel Runaway. I want children laughing outside your door, 'cause they've found the house of Colonel Runaway. And when people come to you and ask if trying to get to me through THE PEOPLE I LOVE! ...is in any way a good idea... I want you to tell them your name.

Look, I'm angry, that's new. I'm really not sure what's going to happen now."
 
2012-09-20 05:20:27 AM

PanicMan: Wow, this thread got jacked, hard. You're arguing with a jackass when you should be making fun of Mitch McConnell. For shame.


Pretty much, yeah.
"Win the battle and lose the war" or some such.
 
2012-09-20 12:14:56 PM

jayhawk88: This GOP presidential campaign does start to make a lot more sense if you imagine it's a big Monty Python skit.

GOP leadership actively dodging questions about their candidate less than 2 months from the election. Good Lord.


Upper Class Republican Twit of the Year
 
2012-09-20 01:04:43 PM

FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.


This is the best election cycle ever.
 
2012-09-20 02:51:40 PM
Came back late to this thread again just to find out that I missed TOSViolation's entire failed biatching about how the Romney tape was "illegal" and needs to be prosecuted, and then quickly devolving into a philosophical debate on the merits of capitalism and offering a rather creepy window into his own sociopathic tendencies.

Damn, I don't think I've seen such an epic meltdown on FARK since the Christmas Troll saga in the Trayvon Martin threads.
 
2012-09-20 06:12:17 PM
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2012-09-20 07:11:23 PM

eraser8: Bhasayate: Many, many, people, regardless of the economic and/or political system, are greedy, selfish and immoral bastards.It's not like getting rid of capitalism is going to magically change that.

Who is advocating getting rid of capitalism?


Please don't play with the straw man.
 
2012-09-21 03:06:26 PM
I would like to remind GOPers that Myth Busters proved that a sinking ship will not pull you down with it if you are too close. So just chill everyone.
 
2012-09-21 03:32:05 PM
Today's summary of Romney failure:

-Ryan boo'd throughout speech to AARP
-McConnell runs away from press instead of defending Romney
-Ann Romney gets mad at Republicans for throwing Mitt under bus
-Romney release 2011 tax return artificially manipulated not to not make him a liar
 
2012-09-21 06:38:13 PM
Rom-nay.
 
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