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(Talking Points Memo)   Mitch McConnell bravely ran away. When reporters reared their ugly heads, he bravely turned his tail and fled. Bravest of the brave, Mitch McConnell   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 385
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2012-09-19 09:23:12 PM  

TOSViolation: Did you forget what site you're on? Seriously? You want wit and intelligence? I think you got lost.


Take a compliment when it's given with grace.
 
2012-09-19 09:23:53 PM  
This is what Mitt Rmoney ACTUALLY believes:


He believes that Jesus Christ is Satan's brother.
He believes that God lives near a planet called "Kolob."
He believes in baptizing dead people.
He believes that Jesus is married to a goddess wife.
He believes that The Garden of Eden was in Missouri.
He believes that it was impossible for Negroes to go to Heaven before 1978.
He believes that Jesus has children from his wife or wives.
He believes that he is going to become a god.
He believes he will own his own personal planet after he dies.
He believes the real Christian God is not eternal but rather that He was once a man on some other planet besides Earth!
He believes he needs to wear magical underwear created by Mormons and he is never to take it off unless he is bathing.
He believes it is a sin to drink anything containing caffeine. And that even includes True American™ drinks like Coca-Cola!
He believes children between the ages of 18-21 should wear name badges, ride bicycles and always smile.


......and he's an idiot.
 
2012-09-19 09:24:05 PM  

snitramc: TOSViolation: I'm just wondering why the FBI hasn't hunted down the person who illegally filmed the event, violating wiretapping laws. The cops try to throw people in jail for far less, but this is a case where they truly did break the law.

I don't care what or why Romney said what he said. A crime was committed, and everyone involved should be jailed. I don't see how it's even legal for YouTube to host the results of illegal wiretapping.

So you think Jammy Okeefe should be in jail and ACORN should still be in business? Am I reading you correctly?



I don't know who either of those are, and I'm pretty sure I don't care.
 
2012-09-19 09:25:00 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Kit Fister: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

That being said, why is it glorious? Why is it at all a good thing for a group that represents a different set of opinions to self destruct? Do we WANT to have any possible counterbalance to people going too far off the liberal end of the scale to be disorganized and in disarray so they cannot offer that balancing weight against the extreme leftists?

It's not a different set of opinions. The GOP is a cancer on the American landscape. And seriously, you claim to be a centrist leaning right and you're using term leftist? Here's a clue: the Democrats are hardly left much less hard left enough to be considered leftist. Obama, of anything is slightly left of center.

The reason people are happy that the GOP appears to be self destructing is because people want the GOP to eject the teabaggers and other hard right elements and become the party of conservatives again.

You don't like Romney or the extreme right-wing nutjobs. Neither do I. but I still think that some counter to extreme leftist crap is needed: If everyone in congress agreed with one ideal, and that ideal kept pushing further and further left, you'd have no one intervening to even slow the progress down.

There is very little "extreme leftist" anything. And nobody thinks there should't be a counterbalance. The problem is that the current GOP is destructive.

Now, again, i hate the ultra-right as much as you seem to, and I hate the ultra left equally. But since common sense and reason is anathema to modern politics, the best we can do is to elect only a bare majority from one side or the other so that neither side can get too crazy with the bullshiat.

Hey! Look! it's a Fark Independent.


I agree, though pelosi and a few other wingnuts I've met have been pretty far afield to the left.
 
2012-09-19 09:25:44 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Senate Mutant Ninny Turtle


+ one internets for you!
 
2012-09-19 09:25:47 PM  
McConnel , you douche, why are you ignoring the 47% who pay no fed income tax? Give them money and listen to them dammit.
 
2012-09-19 09:26:06 PM  

The Muthaship: TOSViolation: Did you forget what site you're on? Seriously? You want wit and intelligence? I think you got lost.

Take a compliment when it's given with grace.


The ghetto is how you live, not where you live : )
 
2012-09-19 09:27:23 PM  

amquelbettamin: If my after-tax income earns a dividend after reinvestment into our economy I don't believe that dividend should be taxed the second time via Capital gains. I also don't think it's particularly good for a capitalist economy to tax returns on invested capital.


And do you think that it is particularly good for a capitalist economy to tax the production or consumption of goods?

Look, the "double taxation" canard is ridiculous because we tax virtually each and every transaction other than charity and a handful of government sponsored programs to either compensate people or provide social protection. The fact that you have to pay money on profits you make regardless of if the profits were from your labor, your money, your intellectual property, or simply a windfall. It sucks, but we do give an incentive to invest for those who choose to in the form of lower tax rates. Would you say "I got my paycheck and went and bought a lottery ticket, why am I double taxed on my winnings?"

Where is that Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon when you need it?
 
2012-09-19 09:27:23 PM  

jmr61: This is what Mitt Rmoney ACTUALLY believes:


He believes that Jesus Christ is Satan's brother.
He believes that God lives near a planet called "Kolob."
He believes in baptizing dead people.
He believes that Jesus is married to a goddess wife.
He believes that The Garden of Eden was in Missouri.
He believes that it was impossible for Negroes to go to Heaven before 1978.
He believes that Jesus has children from his wife or wives.
He believes that he is going to become a god.
He believes he will own his own personal planet after he dies.
He believes the real Christian God is not eternal but rather that He was once a man on some other planet besides Earth!
He believes he needs to wear magical underwear created by Mormons and he is never to take it off unless he is bathing.
He believes it is a sin to drink anything containing caffeine. And that even includes True American™ drinks like Coca-Cola!
He believes children between the ages of 18-21 should wear name badges, ride bicycles and always smile.


......and he's an idiot.



WTF does any of that matter?

Does he have a valid birth certificate?
Will he make my 401k have some money left in it when I reach retirement age?

All I know is that the current administration seems more like a reality TV show cast.
 
2012-09-19 09:27:45 PM  

FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.


The problem is that you have a shiat load of people who dont disagree with what was said, so if you are far left then it seems great but the problem is that obama may very well lose this election because more people believe what you feel is blowing up their campaign.

I hate both guys personally, obama is doing nothing to stop the economy's slide while promoting more government spending and romney is part of management I grow to hate, those who hire decent people then take all the credit for what works and hes too close to the religious nutbags for my taste.

He is right that the only way to fix the economy is to let people make their own money instead of just giving out more government funds, that cycle will kill the economy and make us a 3rd world nation in less than a generation.
 
2012-09-19 09:27:54 PM  

RepealThe22nd: ivan: He will make DAMN SURE Obama does NOT become a three-term president.

Hopefully he'll fail in that too.


You WOULD say that.
 
2012-09-19 09:29:33 PM  

SouthParkCon: Oh look another hit piece on all things non-Progressive dropped right on the main page. *Shock*

Keep that hope and spare change alive because the Magical O doesn't have the new car smell he did back in '08.


Didn't take long for the "butthurt" deflectors to chime in.
 
2012-09-19 09:29:54 PM  

steamingpile: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

The problem is that you have a shiat load of people who dont disagree with what was said, so if you are far left then it seems great but the problem is that obama may very well lose this election because more people believe what you feel is blowing up their campaign.

I hate both guys personally, obama is doing nothing to stop the economy's slide while promoting more government spending and romney is part of management I grow to hate, those who hire decent people then take all the credit for what works and hes too close to the religious nutbags for my taste.

He is right that the only way to fix the economy is to let people make their own money instead of just giving out more government funds, that cycle will kill the economy and make us a 3rd world nation in less than a generation.



I think enough people have enough hate for Obama that Adolf's ghost could win this year's election.
 
2012-09-19 09:30:06 PM  

amquelbettamin: Grungehamster: amquelbettamin: coyo: Or those who follow Adam Smith's philosophy :

The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.

Which is pretty much exactly what happens. Property taxes luxury taxes capital gains taxes you name it.

If we're including every sort of tax to try to claim that the existence of such taxes are what Smith meant when he suggested a progressive taxation system I should make you aware that when factoring in all taxes people pay on average about the same percent of their income in taxes regardless of income level. Plus the fact that you bring up long term capital gains taxes as a tax that unduly burdens high income individuals shows you don't quite get percentages (hint: it is more profitable to let your money do the work for you after a certain income level.)

If my after-tax income earns a dividend after reinvestment into our economy I don't believe that dividend should be taxed the second time via Capital gains. I also don't think it's particularly good for a capitalist economy to tax returns on invested capital.




So why don't you believe that it should be taxed again via capital gains? Because that benefits you? You already are double taxed when you consider sales tax.

You know, I would be fine with a flat tax that taxes all income the same and exempts the first 50,000 that everybody makes in a year. Yes, all income : capital gains, inheritance, christmas bonus. Also remove the exemption from churches from paying taxes.
 
2012-09-19 09:31:01 PM  
I would consider Barack Obama a black, well-educated, Republican candidate without an unreasonable since of entitlement if this was any time between 1896-1964
 
2012-09-19 09:31:23 PM  

TOSViolation: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: TOSViolation: I'm just wondering why the FBI hasn't hunted down the person who illegally filmed the event, violating wiretapping laws. The cops try to throw people in jail for far less, but this is a case where they truly did break the law.

I don't care what or why Romney said what he said. A crime was committed, and everyone involved should be jailed. I don't see how it's even legal for YouTube to host the results of illegal wiretapping.

Even though you did not provide a link to the text of the law that was broken, I am sure you double and triple-checked the entire statute to make sure the taping met all of the requirements of an illegal act, lest you mislead us, right?


Nope, but I did RTFA. I don't really care what the law says, and I don't care what you think it says either. Neither of us are lawyers. If we were, we'd be sitting on a beach, sipping mai tais instead of wasting time on Fark.


I vehemently disagree with your statement and might even suggest it reeks of treachery. There is NO reason we cannot sip mai tais on a beach while wasting time on Fark. My only hope for you is that you can convince the resort you are at to extend their wifi down to the water.
 
2012-09-19 09:31:51 PM  
I think people are tired of buying the leader of the free world via horsesh*t like "he seems like a nice person", "well, if nothing else, he's certainly different" and "his wife is pretty". Sh*t got way to expensive for the prom queen contest a while ago.
 
2012-09-19 09:32:52 PM  
sense, even
 
2012-09-19 09:33:34 PM  

amquelbettamin: Grungehamster: amquelbettamin: coyo: Or those who follow Adam Smith's philosophy :

The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.

Which is pretty much exactly what happens. Property taxes luxury taxes capital gains taxes you name it.

If we're including every sort of tax to try to claim that the existence of such taxes are what Smith meant when he suggested a progressive taxation system I should make you aware that when factoring in all taxes people pay on average about the same percent of their income in taxes regardless of income level. Plus the fact that you bring up long term capital gains taxes as a tax that unduly burdens high income individuals shows you don't quite get percentages (hint: it is more profitable to let your money do the work for you after a certain income level.)

If my after-tax income earns a dividend after reinvestment into our economy I don't believe that dividend should be taxed the second time via Capital gains. I also don't think it's particularly good for a capitalist economy to tax returns on invested capital.


I'd like to see a financial transaction tax. Just a tiny fraction of a percent on every stock trade would generate huge revenue and cut down on speculation.
 
2012-09-19 09:34:35 PM  

TOSViolation: jmr61: This is what Mitt Rmoney ACTUALLY believes:



Does he have a valid birth certificate?
Will he make my 401k have some money left in it when I reach retirement age?

All I know is that the current administration seems more like a reality TV show cast.


I have no idea why you would think that about the administration. You probably have no idea either, not that it matters.

If Mitt gets in, he will institute policies that will allow the rich to suck the wealth out of the economy far faster than they put in any wealth. When you take out far more than you put in, you are a winner. Romney is a big winner in that game and he wants to go for the grand prize. 

Mitt has never contributed anything to the economy beyond what he took out of it for himself.
 
2012-09-19 09:35:47 PM  

coyo: amquelbettamin: Grungehamster: amquelbettamin: coyo: Or those who follow Adam Smith's philosophy :

The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.

Which is pretty much exactly what happens. Property taxes luxury taxes capital gains taxes you name it.

If we're including every sort of tax to try to claim that the existence of such taxes are what Smith meant when he suggested a progressive taxation system I should make you aware that when factoring in all taxes people pay on average about the same percent of their income in taxes regardless of income level. Plus the fact that you bring up long term capital gains taxes as a tax that unduly burdens high income individuals shows you don't quite get percentages (hint: it is more profitable to let your money do the work for you after a certain income level.)

If my after-tax income earns a dividend after reinvestment into our economy I don't believe that dividend should be taxed the second time via Capital gains. I also don't think it's particularly good for a capitalist economy to tax returns on invested capital.



So why don't you believe that it should be taxed again via capital gains? Because that benefits you? You already are double taxed when you consider sales tax.

You know, I would be fine with a flat tax that taxes all income the same and exempts the first 50, ...



That's stupid. Taxes should not be based on mostly meaningless hard numbers like 50k. Taxes should be flat. I agree with that. However, if there is going to be a minimum, untaxed amount, it should be based on real-world metrics of survival needs. Depending on the economy, environmental factors, etc. $50k could be too high or too low. The price of a gallon of milk could jump to $10, then fall to $2. I'm not the omniscient super-emperor of the world, but I feel like there is a better way to calculate fair tax amounts.

There are all of these "mark of the beast" fanatics and conspiracy theorists who are against everything down to the simple grocery store customer reward cards, but those are the types of things that could help with fair tax calculations. The world is screwed up all around. I don't think anyone can save it, but it's nice to see when people honestly try.
 
2012-09-19 09:36:16 PM  

jmr61: This is what Mitt Rmoney ACTUALLY believes:


He believes that Jesus Christ is Satan's brother.
He believes that God lives near a planet called "Kolob."
He believes in baptizing dead people.
He believes that Jesus is married to a goddess wife.
He believes that The Garden of Eden was in Missouri.
He believes that it was impossible for Negroes to go to Heaven before 1978.
He believes that Jesus has children from his wife or wives.
He believes that he is going to become a god.
He believes he will own his own personal planet after he dies.
He believes the real Christian God is not eternal but rather that He was once a man on some other planet besides Earth!
He believes he needs to wear magical underwear created by Mormons and he is never to take it off unless he is bathing.
He believes it is a sin to drink anything containing caffeine. And that even includes True American™ drinks like Coca-Cola!
He believes children between the ages of 18-21 should wear name badges, ride bicycles and always smile.


......and he's an idiot.


This song from The Book Of Mormon musical covers many of those.
 
2012-09-19 09:36:45 PM  

steamingpile: FlashHarry: i've gotta say, this self-immolation by the GOP has been glorious to watch.

The problem is that you have a shiat load of people who dont disagree with what was said, so if you are far left then it seems great but the problem is that obama may very well lose this election because more people believe what you feel is blowing up their campaign.

I hate both guys personally, obama is doing nothing to stop the economy's slide while promoting more government spending and romney is part of management I grow to hate, those who hire decent people then take all the credit for what works and hes too close to the religious nutbags for my taste.

He is right that the only way to fix the economy is to let people make their own money instead of just giving out more government funds, that cycle will kill the economy and make us a 3rd world nation in less than a generation.


That's not incorrect...but how? Even in good economies, 80% of all small businesses fail within 3 years. People have been laid off over the last 20 years, and the jobs outsourced, lost to mechanization or computerization, or just eliminated as businesses and companies learned to do without.

Most people want to work, and would be happy to work if only someone would hire them. But businesses can't and won't hire people they just don't need: If one guy can do all the floors with an electric floor buffer, why should the boss hire three more to do it with mops & buckets? The only thing that would be worse for the economy than having lots of people loafing around on unemployment is a lot of people loafing around an actual job getting paid for loafing. Nothing breeds on the job resentment and reduced morale like knowing you don't have to work to get paid. We saw that in, for instance, the auto lines of the 1970's. when workers weren't really needed but union contracts kept them from being fired. The next thing was that quality declined, morale plummeted, and absenteeism and work related injuries (and related fraud) skyrocketed.

The truth is, there are no easy answers from either the left or the right. It may be that we hit the end of our imperial cycle even sooner than the Romans did, and without a plague to kick us the rest of the way.
 
2012-09-19 09:37:37 PM  

coyo: TOSViolation: jmr61: This is what Mitt Rmoney ACTUALLY believes:



Does he have a valid birth certificate?
Will he make my 401k have some money left in it when I reach retirement age?

All I know is that the current administration seems more like a reality TV show cast.

I have no idea why you would think that about the administration. You probably have no idea either, not that it matters.

If Mitt gets in, he will institute policies that will allow the rich to suck the wealth out of the economy far faster than they put in any wealth. When you take out far more than you put in, you are a winner. Romney is a big winner in that game and he wants to go for the grand prize. 

Mitt has never contributed anything to the economy beyond what he took out of it for himself.



Well, at least someone will be well off. Obama just wants everyone to be broke and homeless.
 
2012-09-19 09:37:51 PM  
images.politico.com

I FARKING despise these questions about Romney,he thought. Time to beat a hasty retreat.



30 minutes later.....

cache.gawkerassets.com 


DAMN IT! They're gaining on me!
 
2012-09-19 09:38:48 PM  

Grungehamster: amquelbettamin: If my after-tax income earns a dividend after reinvestment into our economy I don't believe that dividend should be taxed the second time via Capital gains. I also don't think it's particularly good for a capitalist economy to tax returns on invested capital.

And do you think that it is particularly good for a capitalist economy to tax the production or consumption of goods?

Look, the "double taxation" canard is ridiculous because we tax virtually each and every transaction other than charity and a handful of government sponsored programs to either compensate people or provide social protection. The fact that you have to pay money on profits you make regardless of if the profits were from your labor, your money, your intellectual property, or simply a windfall. It sucks, but we do give an incentive to invest for those who choose to in the form of lower tax rates. Would you say "I got my paycheck and went and bought a lottery ticket, why am I double taxed on my winnings?"

Where is that Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon when you need it?


Don't go that route.

If you buy a stock for $100, get dividends from it of $50, and then sell it for $100, you only pay taxes on the dividend portion. That means you only get taxed once on the $150.

The IRS only taxes you once on the money you get. You might get taxed on it and somebody else might get taxed on it, but that's expected. If I buy a hamburger, I pay income tax on the money and the burger flipper pays income tax on the money.
 
2012-09-19 09:39:48 PM  

steamingpile: He is right that the only way to fix the economy is to let people make their own money instead of just giving out more government funds, that cycle will kill the economy and make us a 3rd world nation in less than a generation.


Do you not realize that the set of "people who do not pay income taxes" is NOT equivalent to a set of "people who are leeching off of government funds"? 

You'd have to be stupid not to realize that right away...so, I guess your point about many people liking Money Boo Boo's statement might actually be true. It's not reflected in the latest polling (a plurality view Money Boo Boo's statement negatively) -- but I never discount the Republican party's ability to mislead people.
 
2012-09-19 09:41:06 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The truth is, there are no easy answers from either the left or the right. It may be that we hit the end of our imperial cycle even sooner than the Romans did, and without a plague to kick us the rest of the way.


There are ASTOUDINGLY easy answers. Tons of them laying around like so much lint on a nylon sock. They do not, however, service the present "GIMMIE GIMMIE AND F*CK YOU!" mentality.
 
2012-09-19 09:41:44 PM  

TOSViolation: coyo: amquelbettamin: Grungehamster: amquelbettamin: coyo: Or those who follow Adam Smith's philosophy :


You know, I would be fine with a flat tax that taxes all income the same and exempts the first 50, ...

That's stupid. Taxes should not be based on mostly meaningless hard numbers like 50k. Taxes should be flat. I agree with that. However, if there is going to be a minimum, untaxed amount, it should be based on real-world metrics of survival needs. Depending on the economy, environmental factors, etc. $50k could be too high or too low. The price of a gallon of milk could jump to $10, then fall to $2. I'm not the omniscient super-emperor of the world, but I feel like there is a better way to calculate fair tax amounts.

There are all of these "mark of the beast" fanatics and conspiracy theorists who are against everything down to the simple grocery store customer reward cards, but those are the types of things that could help with fair tax calculations. The world is screwed up all around. I don't think anyone can save it, but it's nice to see when people honestly try.


Yes, I am guilty of pulling 50k out of my ass. Certainly there are values that are local maxima on the best of breed scale. I'm not being rigorous on the number but I would want to pick a number that allows you to have a comfortable life even if you are at the minimum to pay taxes. And sure, you'd get those converting their money to gold and lima beans; I wouldn't worry that they'd derail things.
 
2012-09-19 09:42:13 PM  

TOSViolation: Well, at least someone will be well off. Obama just wants everyone to be broke and homeless.



Dear FBI, Secret Service, DHS, NSA, and anyone else it may concern,

The above linked comment should have read "Obama just SEEMS to want..." In no way was I implying a statement of pure fact or attempting to defame the president. That was purely a statement of opinion.

Sincerely,
A Registered Voter
 
2012-09-19 09:42:46 PM  

Kit Fister:
Now, again, i hate the ultra-right as much as you seem to, and I hate the ultra left equally.


I know who I'm voting for!
 
2012-09-19 09:43:12 PM  

TOSViolation: coyo: TOSViolation: jmr61: This is what Mitt Rmoney ACTUALLY believes:



Does he have a valid birth certificate?
Will he make my 401k have some money left in it when I reach retirement age?

All I know is that the current administration seems more like a reality TV show cast.

I have no idea why you would think that about the administration. You probably have no idea either, not that it matters.

If Mitt gets in, he will institute policies that will allow the rich to suck the wealth out of the economy far faster than they put in any wealth. When you take out far more than you put in, you are a winner. Romney is a big winner in that game and he wants to go for the grand prize. 

Mitt has never contributed anything to the economy beyond what he took out of it for himself.


Well, at least someone will be well off. Obama just wants everyone to be broke and homeless.




Cue the rimshot and the wah wah wah trumpets. Care to expand on your assertion, or are you all out of neurons?
 
2012-09-19 09:44:43 PM  
Don't forget Romney wears Magic Underwear, he might pull a Trick outta his ass.
 
2012-09-19 09:45:52 PM  

coyo: You know, I would be fine with a flat tax that taxes all income the same and exempts the first 50,000 that everybody makes in a year. Yes, all income : capital gains, inheritance, christmas bonus. Also remove the exemption from churches from paying taxes.


So you're far to the right of noted left wing radical Milton Friedman, who suggested a flat tax that had a standard of living exemption that if a household did not meet would actually get a check from the government for the difference (look up the "negative income tax"). Yeah, nobody was stupid enough to go for that idea.

The crazy thing is that the "Austrian School" has become some sort of pop psychology, where even Fredrick Hayek quotes are completely rejected as Marxism at this point by people who think they have it figured out from one Intro to Microeconomics course under their belt.
/majored in Economics
//Intro classes turned me into Libertarian
///Grad-level courses that covered econometrics, labor and health economics, and market inefficiencies pushed me firmly into what I'd like to think is Rockefeller Republican territory but makes me seem like a hardcore leftist to the current bunch of crazies in the party.
 
2012-09-19 09:46:22 PM  

TOSViolation: coyo: TOSViolation: jmr61: This is what Mitt Rmoney ACTUALLY believes:



Does he have a valid birth certificate?
Will he make my 401k have some money left in it when I reach retirement age?

All I know is that the current administration seems more like a reality TV show cast.

I have no idea why you would think that about the administration. You probably have no idea either, not that it matters.

If Mitt gets in, he will institute policies that will allow the rich to suck the wealth out of the economy far faster than they put in any wealth. When you take out far more than you put in, you are a winner. Romney is a big winner in that game and he wants to go for the grand prize. 

Mitt has never contributed anything to the economy beyond what he took out of it for himself.


Well, at least someone will be well off. Obama just wants everyone to be broke and homeless.


Can't say I know what exactly Obama wants, but Mitt is actively working to make everyone else broke and homeless.
 
2012-09-19 09:46:32 PM  

Gestankfaust: Indubitably: Gestankfaust: Was just gonna say.... "that what all Dems do when they have no rhetoric or lies to spew"

But then I saw the asshattery spewed by you people after....so i quit

Typical Republican tactic: deny discourse.

lol...you make discourse you asshat. And I DO DENY YOU...FARKwad


See what gud that does you...

P.S. It's on. Wit my end, so find yourn.
 
2012-09-19 09:46:44 PM  

coyo: Yes, I am guilty of pulling 50k out of my ass. Certainly there are values that are local maxima on the best of breed scale. I'm not being rigorous on the number but I would want to pick a number that allows you to have a comfortable life even if you are at the minimum to pay taxes. And sure, you'd get those converting their money to gold and lima beans; I wouldn't worry that they'd derail things.



I was saying that I think it might be interesting if taxes were calculated in real time. Would it open us up to "ZOMG tha gubmint is trackin me!11!1"? Maybe. Who knows?

I just know that I'm paying for schools that are no longer of any use to me. If I don't have kids attending school, then why should I pay taxes to support them? If the families of the students can't fund the schools, then maybe they shouldn't have so many kids.

I'd rather my tax dollars be diverted to things that actually benefit me, like the fire department or police. Use my money to fund pot hole repairs instead of some useless tween douchebag with an iPhone, texting instead of learning anything.
 
2012-09-19 09:46:44 PM  

TOSViolation: TOSViolation: Well, at least someone will be well off. Obama just wants everyone to be broke and homeless.


Dear FBI, Secret Service, DHS, NSA, and anyone else it may concern,

The above linked comment should have read "Obama just SEEMS to want..." In no way was I implying a statement of pure fact or attempting to defame the president. That was purely a statement of opinion.

Sincerely,
A Registered Voter


You don't SEEM to have a very tight grasp on reality.
 
2012-09-19 09:47:08 PM  
Forget Mitchy-boy, just watching TOS implode here and now is a great example of the right-wing-derp defense.
Please, carry on!
 
2012-09-19 09:48:25 PM  

bunner: Gyrfalcon: The truth is, there are no easy answers from either the left or the right. It may be that we hit the end of our imperial cycle even sooner than the Romans did, and without a plague to kick us the rest of the way.

There are ASTOUDINGLY easy answers. Tons of them laying around like so much lint on a nylon sock. They do not, however, service the present "GIMMIE GIMMIE AND F*CK YOU!" mentality.


bunner, I count you as friend, amirite?
 
2012-09-19 09:48:34 PM  

eraser8: TOSViolation: TOSViolation: Well, at least someone will be well off. Obama just wants everyone to be broke and homeless.


Dear FBI, Secret Service, DHS, NSA, and anyone else it may concern,

The above linked comment should have read "Obama just SEEMS to want..." In no way was I implying a statement of pure fact or attempting to defame the president. That was purely a statement of opinion.

Sincerely,
A Registered Voter

You don't SEEM to have a very tight grasp on reality.



What does that even look like. Do you run around, hands held high, holding onto some imaginary rope to keep yourself sane? That sounds pretty crazy to me.
 
2012-09-19 09:48:57 PM  
www.starscolor.com
 
2012-09-19 09:50:12 PM  

TOSViolation: eraser8: TOSViolation: TOSViolation: Well, at least someone will be well off. Obama just wants everyone to be broke and homeless.


Dear FBI, Secret Service, DHS, NSA, and anyone else it may concern,

The above linked comment should have read "Obama just SEEMS to want..." In no way was I implying a statement of pure fact or attempting to defame the president. That was purely a statement of opinion.

Sincerely,
A Registered Voter

You don't SEEM to have a very tight grasp on reality.


What does that even look like. Do you run around, hands held high, holding onto some imaginary rope to keep yourself sane? That sounds pretty crazy to me.


Your language is abusive, and am I surprised?
 
2012-09-19 09:50:58 PM  

Tennozan: Forget Mitchy-boy, just watching TOS implode here and now is a great example of the right-wing-derp defense.
Please, carry on!



Defense? Defend what? What Romney said was asinine. I'm not saying it isn't true. I'm just saying that SAYING it out loud was stupid.

I still think Homer Simpson would better for the country than another four years of Obama.
 
2012-09-19 09:51:07 PM  

Indubitably: bunner: Gyrfalcon: The truth is, there are no easy answers from either the left or the right. It may be that we hit the end of our imperial cycle even sooner than the Romans did, and without a plague to kick us the rest of the way.

There are ASTOUDINGLY easy answers. Tons of them laying around like so much lint on a nylon sock. They do not, however, service the present "GIMMIE GIMMIE AND F*CK YOU!" mentality.

bunner, I count you as friend, amirite?


I know I do, you. Thing is, what I'm talking about is a very simple process in where you step back until the broader scope emerges and act accordingly. Minutiae keeps debt farmers shi*ting in high cotton. Obvious truths do not.
 
2012-09-19 09:51:20 PM  

MikeMc: [www.starscolor.com image 278x353]


Royalty?

P.S. Not a penny received.
 
2012-09-19 09:51:34 PM  

Grungehamster: coyo: You know, I would be fine with a flat tax that taxes all income the same and exempts the first 50,000 that everybody makes in a year. Yes, all income : capital gains, inheritance, christmas bonus. Also remove the exemption from churches from paying taxes.

So you're far to the right of noted left wing radical Milton Friedman, who suggested a flat tax that had a standard of living exemption that if a household did not meet would actually get a check from the government for the difference (look up the "negative income tax"). Yeah, nobody was stupid enough to go for that idea.

The crazy thing is that the "Austrian School" has become some sort of pop psychology, where even Fredrick Hayek quotes are completely rejected as Marxism at this point by people who think they have it figured out from one Intro to Microeconomics course under their belt.
/majored in Economics
//Intro classes turned me into Libertarian
///Grad-level courses that covered econometrics, labor and health economics, and market inefficiencies pushed me firmly into what I'd like to think is Rockefeller Republican territory but makes me seem like a hardcore leftist to the current bunch of crazies in the party.




Sounds like you've studied this quite a bit. What would you like to see be put in place, if anything?
 
2012-09-19 09:52:15 PM  

bunner: Indubitably: bunner: Gyrfalcon: The truth is, there are no easy answers from either the left or the right. It may be that we hit the end of our imperial cycle even sooner than the Romans did, and without a plague to kick us the rest of the way.

There are ASTOUDINGLY easy answers. Tons of them laying around like so much lint on a nylon sock. They do not, however, service the present "GIMMIE GIMMIE AND F*CK YOU!" mentality.

bunner, I count you as friend, amirite?

I know I do, you. Thing is, what I'm talking about is a very simple process in where you step back until the broader scope emerges and act accordingly. Minutiae keeps debt farmers shi*ting in high cotton. Obvious truths do not.


See?
 
2012-09-19 09:52:54 PM  

coyo: Grungehamster: coyo: You know, I would be fine with a flat tax that taxes all income the same and exempts the first 50,000 that everybody makes in a year. Yes, all income : capital gains, inheritance, christmas bonus. Also remove the exemption from churches from paying taxes.

So you're far to the right of noted left wing radical Milton Friedman, who suggested a flat tax that had a standard of living exemption that if a household did not meet would actually get a check from the government for the difference (look up the "negative income tax"). Yeah, nobody was stupid enough to go for that idea.

The crazy thing is that the "Austrian School" has become some sort of pop psychology, where even Fredrick Hayek quotes are completely rejected as Marxism at this point by people who think they have it figured out from one Intro to Microeconomics course under their belt.
/majored in Economics
//Intro classes turned me into Libertarian
///Grad-level courses that covered econometrics, labor and health economics, and market inefficiencies pushed me firmly into what I'd like to think is Rockefeller Republican territory but makes me seem like a hardcore leftist to the current bunch of crazies in the party.



Sounds like you've studied this quite a bit. What would you like to see be put in place, if anything?



I just have to ask. Are you on a phone that screws with your replies, or are you purposefully indenting?
 
2012-09-19 09:53:15 PM  

Wild Eyed and Wicked: A family member is a high ranking associate in the Republican party - I can hardly wait for Thanksgiving lol. It seems that Romney may give me as much as Sarah Palin did to mock him with. They are the gift that keeps on giving anymore...

Excuse any typos because the touchpad does not like my bandaged thumb...damned barb wire.


I've stopped talking to mine about politics unless they start it. I'd have strangled them otherwise. They have no sense of politeness or common debate courtesy--it's insane trying to hold a conversation.
 
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