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2012-09-19 09:42:12 PM
And the award for The Unluckiest Post Office In America goes to...
 
2012-09-19 09:45:09 PM
What is it with the elderly confusing the gas and the brake? I can see eyesight going; or reaction time, but why this?

I haven't confused the gas and the brake since the first time I ever drove as a kid. It seems an unusual problem to develop instantly and suddenly; especially so frequently as to become cliché.
 
2012-09-19 10:55:53 PM

Sim Tree: What is it with the elderly confusing the gas and the brake? I can see eyesight going; or reaction time, but why this?

I haven't confused the gas and the brake since the first time I ever drove as a kid. It seems an unusual problem to develop instantly and suddenly; especially so frequently as to become cliché.


Because overmedication.
 
2012-09-19 10:57:04 PM
Why was it driving in a post office in the first place? Sounds like a tough place to avoid crashing.
 
2012-09-19 10:58:51 PM
Why do they keep building Post Offices in the middle of the road?
 
2012-09-19 11:09:34 PM
8/21/2012; Leesburg. Customer she said she was startled by something falling from the
sky and accelerated into the post office lobby.


that makes sense
 
2012-09-19 11:13:19 PM

Robert1966: Why was it driving in a post office in the first place? Sounds like a tough place to avoid crashing.


That's what I was thinking. I mean, if you're already driving in the post office, why not crash there? Seems like as good of a place as any.
 
2012-09-19 11:18:51 PM

Sim Tree: What is it with the elderly confusing the gas and the brake? I can see eyesight going; or reaction time, but why this?

I haven't confused the gas and the brake since the first time I ever drove as a kid. It seems an unusual problem to develop instantly and suddenly; especially so frequently as to become cliché.


Because dementia. These people likely cannot draw a clock face.
 
2012-09-19 11:19:50 PM
I just need to run in to the Post Office, it'll only take a second.
 
2012-09-19 11:20:34 PM

Sim Tree: What is it with the elderly confusing the gas and the brake? I can see eyesight going; or reaction time, but why this?


I think it's more about the demographics of who goes to the post office. If people were crashing into Forever 21, we'd hear about how so many young people are confusing the gas and the ...

Ah, now I get it.
 
2012-09-19 11:24:44 PM
Maybe Post Offices are just really hated in Florida.

/No, that don't sound right to me either.
 
2012-09-19 11:29:43 PM
This has potential...
 
2012-09-19 11:33:22 PM

Sim Tree: What is it with the elderly confusing the gas and the brake? I can see eyesight going; or reaction time, but why this?

I haven't confused the gas and the brake since the first time I ever drove as a kid. It seems an unusual problem to develop instantly and suddenly; especially so frequently as to become cliché.


I guess it's just dementia setting in. My grandpa did the same thing when he drove into the back of a semi. 3 years later he didn't remember me at all.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 11:39:53 PM
I think part of the problem is poor aim with the foot, e.g. catching the side of the brake and slipping onto the gas. Then the old driver notices the car is moving forward and instinctively decides to press the "brake" harder. Breaking this cycle may require a conscious act. Conscious acts take longer in older brains.
 
2012-09-19 11:40:19 PM
You are all a bunch of racists. Nowhere does it mention the elderly.

But considering the Post Office is the place to go for a lot of services if you don't know how to do them online........ yeah, probably a safe bet.

Also FTA "quick turnover times" is an interesting one. More people coming and going? More chance of a f*up.
 
2012-09-19 11:45:24 PM

ZAZ: I think part of the problem is poor aim with the foot, e.g. catching the side of the brake and slipping onto the gas. Then the old driver notices the car is moving forward and instinctively decides to press the "brake" harder. Breaking this cycle may require a conscious act. Conscious acts take longer in older brains.


Also, conscious acts take longer in older legs. Part of the brain is telling the foot "HIT THE BRAKE!!" and part is telling it "GET OFF THE GAS!!" Slower reaction time means slower movement from pressing down to lifting up; which is plenty of time to hit a wall.

Although I have to wonder about how old is old. It used to be, in the 50's and 60's, cars didn't have power brakes or even power assist, and you really had to stomp hard on the brakes to get the thing to stop. It would be interesting to know what the split is of people crashing through post offices who learned to drive on a fully manual car and if they generally step harder on the brakes even in non-emergency situations. It would explain why some people seem to hit the brakes so hard even when pulling into a parking stall.
 
2012-09-19 11:48:05 PM
Dear old people:

If you put your mail inside your mailbox, either sticking up (when covered by an awning) or with the flag up, the mailman will take your mail and deliver it.

The only reason to go to the post office is to mail ebay packages or to serve legal documents.

And the legal document can now be served via email.
 
2012-09-19 11:51:33 PM
I didn't know that the Post Office has started selling fresh fruit and vegetables..
 
2012-09-20 12:15:50 AM

halB: Dear old people:

If you put your mail inside your mailbox, either sticking up (when covered by an awning) or with the flag up, the mailman will take your mail and deliver it.

The only reason to go to the post office is to mail ebay packages or to serve legal documents.

And the legal document can now be served via email.


Well, I go by every now and then to take that wanted poster of me off the wall...
 
2012-09-20 02:48:44 AM

Sim Tree: What is it with the elderly confusing the gas and the brake? I can see eyesight going; or reaction time, but why this?


Apparently you've never had a parent go through this. According to my mother, one day the brake pedal just went all the way to the floor and she crashed through her garage door. Mind you, afterward, the brakes turned out to work just fine. My stepdad's brake mysteriously stopped working one day and he crashed into one of those concrete poles they put in front of some post offices to keep elderly people from smashing into the post office building itself. Yet after the crash, the brakes started working again.

Of course, my working theory on this is that today's modern brake systems are too complicated for the old-timers to operate...
 
2012-09-20 03:14:12 AM
Strangely absent from "Precautions drivers need to adopt while driving in and out of parking spaces", not driving while over 80 years old.
 
2012-09-20 03:22:05 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Sim Tree: What is it with the elderly confusing the gas and the brake? I can see eyesight going; or reaction time, but why this?

Apparently you've never had a parent go through this. According to my mother, one day the brake pedal just went all the way to the floor and she crashed through her garage door. Mind you, afterward, the brakes turned out to work just fine. My stepdad's brake mysteriously stopped working one day and he crashed into one of those concrete poles they put in front of some post offices to keep elderly people from smashing into the post office building itself. Yet after the crash, the brakes started working again.

Of course, my working theory on this is that today's modern brake systems are too complicated for the old-timers to operate...


All the best studies by the NTSB and insurance companies and independent reviewers find pretty much the same thing: There is just no mechanism by which the brakes can miraculously and completely fail and then miraculously and completely return to normal post-collision. However, an NTSB study did find that when confronted with something odd in the car (that test examined an engine which was prone to over-revving occasionally) people stepped on the brakes much harder, probably out of panic, than they normally would. Combine that with older people's slower response time from the gas to the brake, and ta-da! you have them crashing through walls and into bollards, swearing the "brakes just failed! I don't know why!" Because they didn't, that's why.
 
2012-09-20 04:45:09 AM
They must have big post offices if you can drive in them. And it only makes sense that if people are driving in a post office that there will be the inevitable crash. Post offices around here are small so we can only drive into them, not in them. Of course, that wrecks the car so...
 
2012-09-20 09:09:31 AM
Bookmarked, for defending my fellow Marylanders as not being the worst in the US...
 
2012-09-20 10:02:23 AM

Gyrfalcon: Fark Me To Tears: Sim Tree: What is it with the elderly confusing the gas and the brake? I can see eyesight going; or reaction time, but why this?

Apparently you've never had a parent go through this. According to my mother, one day the brake pedal just went all the way to the floor and she crashed through her garage door. Mind you, afterward, the brakes turned out to work just fine. My stepdad's brake mysteriously stopped working one day and he crashed into one of those concrete poles they put in front of some post offices to keep elderly people from smashing into the post office building itself. Yet after the crash, the brakes started working again.

Of course, my working theory on this is that today's modern brake systems are too complicated for the old-timers to operate...

All the best studies by the NTSB and insurance companies and independent reviewers find pretty much the same thing: There is just no mechanism by which the brakes can miraculously and completely fail and then miraculously and completely return to normal post-collision. However, an NTSB study did find that when confronted with something odd in the car (that test examined an engine which was prone to over-revving occasionally) people stepped on the brakes much harder, probably out of panic, than they normally would. Combine that with older people's slower response time from the gas to the brake, and ta-da! you have them crashing through walls and into bollards, swearing the "brakes just failed! I don't know why!" Because they didn't, that's why.


And as P.J. O'Rourke noted in Parliament of Whores, the NTSB sees these cases more often with smaller cars because the brake and accelerator are closer together, as they should be for rapid braking.

CSB time: I used to work 911 and dispatch in that area of Florida, and we got a call one time for an auto accident at a major intersection. Turns out a large wheeled coffin tried to make a left hand turn across six lanes of traffic, succeeded, but then overcorrected and hit a parked car in a nearby bank parking lot. The woman driving the car was 95, and she panicked because she doesn't normally drive. Her 99 year old husband normally drives, but he had a couple of martinis at lunch. She was unharmed and he was transported as a precaution but didn't have anything more than light bruising.
 
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