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2012-09-19 11:51:05 PM
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
 
2012-09-19 11:53:14 PM

NewportBarGuy: I don't have possess enough invectives to spew upon these cum-guzzling, mushroom stamping f*ckwits.

How about this... Take a line from Cheney. How about you... "GO F*CK YOURSELVES!"


"Mushroom stamping"???
 
2012-09-19 11:53:31 PM

Tommy Moo: Only a Keynesian could claim that someone can hand a guy $1000 to dig a hole and another guy $1000 to fill it in and we've increased the GDP by $2000.


Only a lying sack of Republican would claim anyone is being paid to dig holes and fill them back in.

Your disdain for Keynesian is also a good indicator your knowledge of economics comes from Beck
 
2012-09-19 11:57:07 PM

impaler: Brostorm: for once the republicans are right of course for the wrong reasons. Any veteran worth a damn can take advantage of the massive military preference, free schooling and various other benefits they get.

This country needs a job program, not another vote pandering program like this, The only thing more blatant would be a billion dollar jobs program for seniors.

Veterans have a higher unemployment rate than their peers.

War fuks with people.


and yet if they are at all competent, they get a free college education and a massive preference in hiring. This bill was a massive pandering bill and should be seen as such.
 
2012-09-19 11:58:24 PM

Gyrfalcon: "Mushroom stamping"???


When you pull your Cheney out and *smack*... I've said too much.
 
2012-09-20 12:23:16 AM

DarwiOdrade: [www.ourcampaigns.com image 225x275]

Is it just me, or does this one look like he's saying "I f*cking hate you so f*cking much," through gritted teeth?


I think he would better with another one of those mouths on that giant forehead.
 
2012-09-20 12:46:40 AM

Brostorm: and yet if they are at all competent, they get a free college education and a massive preference in hiring. This bill was a massive pandering bill and should be seen as such.


And yet still, veterans have a higher unemployment rate than their peers.

They just must be incompetent! Amirite!
 
2012-09-20 01:00:13 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: [indonesiakatakami.files.wordpress.com image 506x364]
[www.deseretnews.com image 600x380]

Support the campaign props! I mean TROOPS! Support the troops!


Oh my god, that orange douchebag always looks like he's about to burst into tears...
 
2012-09-20 01:21:04 AM

impaler: Tommy Moo: Only a Keynesian could claim that someone can hand a guy $1000 to dig a hole and another guy $1000 to fill it in and we've increased the GDP by $2000.

Only a lying sack of Republican would claim anyone is being paid to dig holes and fill them back in.

Your disdain for Keynesian is also a good indicator your knowledge of economics comes from Beck


The hole digging is the quintessential extreme of Keynesianism, but the government certainly does lots of projects that have a much higher cost than the value society gets out of them. Don't tell me you've never seen a road crew chewing up and repaving a perfectly pristine road with no potholes that could have gone another five or ten years.

If the value of a project exceeds its cost, the free market will take it on. If the value of a project is less than its cost, then we shouldn't do it. The only thing the government is good for is acting as a long term investor for things that the private sector doesn't have the capital and patience for, such as space exploration.
 
2012-09-20 01:22:18 AM
Job creators get to work. Plan some infrastructor upgrades that we really need and setup traing and job placement with perks from the government and get to work.

Train and educate these service persons and lead them to jobs that train them to work in the field so the can go on to other jobs or even self employment once the project is over.
 
2012-09-20 01:23:13 AM

Speaker2Animals: Empty Matchbook: I love it! It's responsible for almost HALF the posts in this thread and I've never seen it elsewhere! Could we have a new troll that actually keeps trolling in threads??

Looking at its profile, it's been around here a long time but stopped doing mediocre photoshops because of all the libs.


I've been here (lurking, but still around) since the Black Animals, and I never saw it! Ah for meeting new people!.

born_yesterday: Empty Matchbook: doyner: EatTheWorld: Dusk-You-n-Me: EatTheWorld: but again the premise of raising taxes to do anything right now is preposterous.

To you, maybe.

who you going to take it from? The evil rich that can barely prop up this economy as it is now? Why can't we reform and save somewhere else to pay for our veterans? How many times can you run to the well before it is dry? They protect all of us, why can't all of us pay for it? I'm looking at you 47%

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Dude.

One question. Were you for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

I love it! It's responsible for almost HALF the posts in this thread and I've never seen it elsewhere! Could we have a new troll that actually keeps trolling in threads??

[24.media.tumblr.com image 449x700]

And he did such a good job with his page--it's like he's actually been a lurker here the whole time!

/Anybody confirm whether they've seen this one before?


See above, apparently.
 
2012-09-20 01:28:57 AM

netizencain: Because throwing billions of deficit adding dollars at a problem is the solution.


Who needs to add a penny to the deficit? Reduce the military budget by 3-4% and you won't just have money to retrain former military personnel and offer tax incentives to businesses that hire them, you'll have extra money for military health care so that they won't put a bullet between their teeth once they get home.
 
2012-09-20 01:29:42 AM
the hate mill is in full swing

chewing up lives
and spewing them out broken

/elect romney
//he'll conscript the useless poor 47%
 
2012-09-20 01:30:26 AM
I feel like EatTheWorld epically trolled this thread and got a million bites doing it. Or I hope so. Otherwise, I weep for mankind.
 
2012-09-20 03:01:29 AM

Tommy Moo: Don't tell me you've never seen a road crew chewing up and repaving a perfectly pristine road with no potholes that could have gone another five or ten years.


Usually when this happens, it's because a utility line underneath the road needs to be worked on. It's the downside of utilities and roads sharing a right-of-way. Also, if the utility line is owned by a business,the business pays for the cost of the project, including repaving the road.
 
2012-09-20 03:06:16 AM

Tommy Moo: Creating a job for the sake of employing a person does kind of miss the point.


Yes, the alphabet soup was such a failure...
 
2012-09-20 03:07:58 AM
Bless you for your service. Sorry you lost your legs. By the way, we're closing your hospital. Get a job, loser.

Oh, and can you pose for this campaign photo with me?
 
2012-09-20 03:15:37 AM
The GOP's commitment to the troops is a mile wide and an inch deep.

Same as it ever was.
 
2012-09-20 03:20:27 AM

quatchi: The GOP's commitment to the troops is a mile wide and an inch deep.

Same as it ever was.


And it ends when said troop becomes a veteran.
 
2012-09-20 03:27:33 AM

EatTheWorld: WhyteRaven74: And yet five did vote for it....

Susan Collins? Olympia Snow? Scott Brown? I been calling them RHINOS before this vote ever took place.


I hear they're not even true Scotsmen.
 
2012-09-20 03:31:05 AM

erveek: EatTheWorld: WhyteRaven74: And yet five did vote for it....

Susan Collins? Olympia Snow? Scott Brown? I been calling them RHINOS before this vote ever took place.

I hear they're not even true Scotsmen.


The stupid part is he called them "RHINOS". What is the H for?
 
2012-09-20 03:34:20 AM

Sabyen91: erveek: EatTheWorld: WhyteRaven74: And yet five did vote for it....

Susan Collins? Olympia Snow? Scott Brown? I been calling them RHINOS before this vote ever took place.

I hear they're not even true Scotsmen.

The stupid part is he called them "RHINOS". What is the H for?


I'm going with "Herp."
 
2012-09-20 03:35:54 AM

Nadie_AZ: 3StratMan: News flash- The government doesn't create jobs. Jobs bills are just more spending programs that result in nothing more than EVEN HIGHER DEBT.

10 year AF vet.

So you were employed by the Air Force for 10 years?


I don't know you... but I want to hug you right now.


Also, I didn't have to look far on John McCain's facebook page to find him posing with a wounded vet. I wonder if he explained his vote? Or was the vet just there as a prop?
 
2012-09-20 03:50:20 AM

Cyclometh: EatTheWorld: you know I bet you all the marijuana in California if they funded this with cuts elsewhere instead of raising taxes

Thry did. The bill was paid for by spending changes according to TFA.


You sir, are due quite a bit of marijuana. Enjoy.
 
2012-09-20 04:05:03 AM

netizencain: Because throwing billions of deficit adding dollars at a problem is the solution.


Wow. I thought this one was completely indefensible to the point that not even the most brazen of Republican apologists would attempt to justify it.

Looks like I was wrong - these people have no shame.
 
2012-09-20 04:51:56 AM

Sabyen91: quatchi: The GOP's commitment to the troops is a mile wide and an inch deep.

Same as it ever was.


And it ends when said troop becomes a veteran.


Sad but true.

The Venn diagram overlap of "Vets" and "Homeless" is a sad sight to see.
 
2012-09-20 05:33:49 AM

Gepetto: I feel like EatTheWorld epically trolled this thread and got a million bites doing it. Or I hope so. Otherwise, I weep for mankind.


He just wants to be a real boy.
 
2012-09-20 06:22:19 AM
Why spend billions when we can spend TRILLIONS?! Why don't democrats support our troops?

/bills that SAY they are to help find jobs don't necessarily find jobs even at $50k per fictional job
 
2012-09-20 07:06:51 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Five Republicans voted for veterans' jobs bill-- Scott Brown, Susan Collins, Dean Heller, Lisa Murkowski and Olympia Snowe. No Dems voted no- Andrew Cohen (@CBSAndrew) September 19, 2012


Now that just p*sses me off no end. My Senator, Richard Burr (R), talks a good talk about supporting the troops, especially since we've got so many being deployed from NC bases (Fort Bragg, Camp Lejeune, Seymore Johnson, Cherry Point, etc). But, when it comes time to actually, you know, helping those returning troops get reintroduced into the economy, that's when he finds something else to do. I knew he was a hypocritical douchebag like so many of his colleagues, I just didn't expect him to put his party ahead of the troops he says he supports.

/fark all the Republicans
//double fark all the Teabaggers
 
2012-09-20 07:15:17 AM

Bathsalt: Why spend billions when we can spend TRILLIONS?! Why don't democrats support our troops?

/bills that SAY they are to help find jobs don't necessarily find jobs even at $50k per fictional job


Traditionally Haiku has three lines not two and it uses a lot less syllables.

Also, it should make some kind of sense. Keep working on it.
 
2012-09-20 07:34:10 AM

Nadie_AZ: We spent a lot of money on the GI Bill after WW2 and look how that turned out for us. You'd think people would understand the benefit of a long term commitment to those who served our nation.


I am sure the GOP will tell you that If the government didn't get involved in helping out veterans, they would be forced to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Well, as long as they still have bootstraps that is.
 
2012-09-20 07:47:07 AM

The_Eleventh_Hour: Tommy Moo: Don't tell me you've never seen a road crew chewing up and repaving a perfectly pristine road with no potholes that could have gone another five or ten years.

Usually when this happens, it's because a utility line underneath the road needs to be worked on. It's the downside of utilities and roads sharing a right-of-way. Also, if the utility line is owned by a business,the business pays for the cost of the project, including repaving the road.


Yeah, you have to think sooner or later this is going to be solved better - either largely autonomous burrowing robots laying down lines, or maybe a one off project to create a ducting system that can be repaired, rewired/reused without having to dig back down to it in most circumstances.
 
2012-09-20 09:29:58 AM

EatTheWorld: you know I bet you all the marijuana in California if they funded this with cuts elsewhere instead of raising taxes ( which dems know beyond any doubt whatsoever at all that republicans will not do ) this bill would have had bipartisan support. But since they know it won't pass because of that tax hike, they push it, so all you great nice liberals can bash republicans as hypocrites. And they say republicans are playing politics with the troops, when it was the democrats fashioning a great bill on the title, but crossing a line of principle inside it of their opponent to play this game in the first place. It was a setup from the start. Did Dick Durbin and John Kerry vote for this bill? Go back and look at things they have said about the people in the military.

If we were fully employed and everyone paid taxes, this wouldn't be such a problem.


Hey fool, this was a pay-go.
 
2012-09-20 09:35:37 AM
I had some clown argue with me the other day about the $48/day stipend they got because of Obama letting the Gov't shutdown. I facepalmed through my keyboard.
 
2012-09-20 09:43:48 AM

Shaggy_C: They already get free training, leadership skills, health insurance for life, a great resume, and a college education to top it off. Not bad for an entry-level job that doesn't even require a high school diploma.


LMAO

As if it worked like that

Are you a veteran?
 
2012-09-20 11:41:50 AM

DarwiOdrade: [www.ourcampaigns.com image 225x275]

Is it just me, or does this one look like he's saying "I f*cking hate you so f*cking much," through gritted teeth?


All I can see is a man who is trying desperately to grow a third eye in the middle of his forehead.
 
2012-09-20 11:50:01 AM

impaler: Brostorm: and yet if they are at all competent, they get a free college education and a massive preference in hiring. This bill was a massive pandering bill and should be seen as such.

And yet still, veterans have a higher unemployment rate than their peers.

They just must be incompetent! Amirite!


The ones that don' take advantage of teh massive advantages hey have in the job market? ABSOLUTELY.
 
2012-09-20 12:27:13 PM

Brostorm: impaler: Brostorm: and yet if they are at all competent, they get a free college education and a massive preference in hiring. This bill was a massive pandering bill and should be seen as such.

And yet still, veterans have a higher unemployment rate than their peers.

They just must be incompetent! Amirite!

The ones that don' take advantage of teh massive advantages hey have in the job market? ABSOLUTELY.


You might not realize this, but the competitive advantage that was present for veterans in... say... 1990, are no longer around. 1: because labor is in MASSIVE supply, and 2: because now these kids have spent the last 4 years crouched in a desert getting shot at.

While meaning no disrespect to our veterans, frankly, they are increasingly viewed as tragically damaged goods. You learned a load of skills. Good. Are you emotionally stable? Capable of working together in a corporate environment that is increasingly democratic?

Meanwhile, we have thousands upon thousands of 60+ workers who just had their retirements wiped out and plan to continue working well past the original retirement target.

Their college educations are hardly "free". And the hiring advantage has all but disappeared, in spite of what those purdy ads on the Tee Vee tell us about all the farking doors being opened for our vets. Our country lied these kids into war, lied about everything they could do when their tours were done, lied about how many tours they could expect to do. Our country recruited these kids before we'd even let them start drinking because they aren't responsible enough or something...

If anyone's "entitled" :gag: for the unconditional support of their country and countrymen, it is our veterans.

Get some farking perspective you childish troglodyte.
 
2012-09-20 02:46:12 PM

netcentric:
But if you leave your job in the military, it's up to you (just like the majority of Americans) to find a job and another career.

Hand holding and throwing more money at it is not an answer. Never has been.

/vet
//two branches
///and both during the time of NO gi bill


Then being a veteran (as I am - Navy) you should see the importance of making sure vets get the breaks they need when they coma back into the world. When you join the military, it's not just a job, it's your life for the time of your enlistment or commission. Everything you do is related to this life, from where you live to who you hang out with and party. That's why it's "joining"... ever heard anyone say "I'm joining Microsoft"?

When you leave, you're leaving a whole way of life behind, not just a job. Besides, in what other job can you get promoted for shooting down a bunch of insurgents, or saving your fellow "co-workers" from enemy attack, or be put in prison and have your paycheck reduced (or be restricted to your workplace) by your boss for violating "company rules" (UCMJ)?

What other "job" would force you to miss the birth of a child or the death of a parent because it doesn't fit their schedule or because they purposely put you on the other side of the planet? And all that for what isn't even minimum wage when you are at sea (E-4,12 on/12 off, 7 days/week sea duty plus 4 hour watch every third day off schedule rotation, not counting GQ drills) for 6-8 months at a time?

That's why I think that veterans should get preferential treatment in hiring, and every accommodation possible should be made in getting them employment in exchange for the parts of their lives they've given in defense of this nation. This should not even be a question.
 
2012-09-20 03:18:22 PM

Somacandra: netizencain: Because throwing billions of deficit adding dollars at a problem is the solution.

Don't read much, do you?

FTFA: The bill's sponsor, Patty Murray of Washington, said that shouldn't matter, since the bill's cost was fully offset by new revenues....It's probably useful to remind Republicans like John McCain (a "nay" on the jobs bill) that wounded, jobless and homeless veterans aren't a fact of nature. They're a product of the wars that Congress members voted for, the war debt they piled on, and the economy they helped ruin.

People you supported already bought these people and broke them. And As Sec. Powell used to say: "You break it, you bought it." Now YOU have to fix it.


I know I'm late to this thread, but I was in the Senate chamber when Murray was making her pitch for this bill. The point she was making was not only was the bill funded, but that even if it wasn't, so farking what. In her words "This is a cost of war."

Murray has done more for veterans than any 10 Republican assholes you care to choose.
 
2012-09-20 04:11:05 PM

Tommy Moo:
Creating a job for the sake of employing a person does kind of miss the point. If something needs to be done and the private sector isn't doing it, then the government should create the job.


And here lies the question at the heart of this whole unemployment sh*tstorm.

If something needs to be done, why aren't the private sector and the Job Creatorstm (blessed be their name) doing it? It seems that the people attending private $50,000 a plate dinners to hear Mitt Rmoney denigrate half the country's voters... the alleged Creatorstm... ain't doing jack sh*t about creating enough jobs so that these types of bills wouldn't be necessary.

18 to 29 year old veterans have an unemployment rate of 19.9% as of august... that's one in five, for the math impaired. The overall unemployment rate for 18-29 year olds is only (only!) 12.7%, with african americans in this age range at a staggering 22.4%. Add those who have quit looking and you can tack another 3 or 4 points on these numbers. There is no excuse for this... NONE.

Maybe the Job Creatorstm need to start doing their jobs instead of paying politicians to soothe their fragile egos by jaw jacking and talking sh*t about the despised have-nots.
 
2012-09-20 11:41:00 PM

rewind2846: netcentric:
But if you leave your job in the military, it's up to you (just like the majority of Americans) to find a job and another career.

Hand holding and throwing more money at it is not an answer. Never has been.

/vet
//two branches
///and both during the time of NO gi bill

Then being a veteran (as I am - Navy) you should see the importance of making sure vets get the breaks they need when they coma back into the world. When you join the military, it's not just a job, it's your life for the time of your enlistment or commission. Everything you do is related to this life, from where you live to who you hang out with and party. That's why it's "joining"... ever heard anyone say "I'm joining Microsoft"?

When you leave, you're leaving a whole way of life behind, not just a job. Besides, in what other job can you get promoted for shooting down a bunch of insurgents, or saving your fellow "co-workers" from enemy attack, or be put in prison and have your paycheck reduced (or be restricted to your workplace) by your boss for violating "company rules" (UCMJ)?

What other "job" would force you to miss the birth of a child or the death of a parent because it doesn't fit their schedule or because they purposely put you on the other side of the planet? And all that for what isn't even minimum wage when you are at sea (E-4,12 on/12 off, 7 days/week sea duty plus 4 hour watch every third day off schedule rotation, not counting GQ drills) for 6-8 months at a time?

That's why I think that veterans should get preferential treatment in hiring, and every accommodation possible should be made in getting them employment in exchange for the parts of their lives they've given in defense of this nation. This should not even be a question.


You volunteered. Sorry it isn't all blondes and beaches.
 
2012-09-21 12:20:34 AM

nmemkha:

You volunteered. Sorry it isn't all blondes and beaches.


You "volunteer" to work anywhere. Yet where would this country be if not for the people who choose this life?

Where would you be, if you're an American citizen?

Someone has to defend your right to bad reality television, FoxNoise, soulless suburbs and Wal-Mart. You should be happy that there are people who will step up to the plate and do it, and do it proudly. These people sacrifice in ways you may not even be able to imagine, and the very least this country can do for them is to let them be able to work for a living. A job is not a handout. All they want to do is work.
 
2012-09-21 04:56:12 AM

rewind2846: nmemkha:

You volunteered. Sorry it isn't all blondes and beaches.

You "volunteer" to work anywhere. Yet where would this country be if not for the people who choose this life?

Where would you be, if you're an American citizen?

Someone has to defend your right to bad reality television, FoxNoise, soulless suburbs and Wal-Mart. You should be happy that there are people who will step up to the plate and do it, and do it proudly. These people sacrifice in ways you may not even be able to imagine, and the very least this country can do for them is to let them be able to work for a living. A job is not a handout. All they want to do is work.


Defend us? LOL! What a load. None of our "enemies" have any chance of invading America. Our modern military is nothing more than a merc outfit hired out to the highest bidders.

Quit fooling yourselves. Shooting goat herders in Afghanistan is not defending America.
 
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