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2012-09-19 04:47:32 PM
False advertising. I was expecting corn with tumors, not rats. Rats will develop tumors from just about anything.
 
2012-09-19 04:48:36 PM
I'm just going to post this from an earlier thread because it's kind of amusing as this subject came up earlier:

AntonChigger: bdub77: Voiceofreason01: OK, we get it, you think Monsanto is evil and GM crops are the devil's work.

Of course not. Roundup-resistant weeds are the devil's work. Because if you don't believe in evolution, you can't believe that overusing chemical A for 30 years to kill off organism B eventually results in their evolution to be resistant to said chemical. Also spray-resistant bed bugs and MRSA bacteria are also the result of an evil anti-God.

Monsanto is without a doubt evil. The verdict is out on GM crops.

I don't know anything about Monsanto's business practices and ethics, but the verdict is definitely IN on GM crops, and they are NOT evil. They have improved yield, shelf life, resistance to a variety of conditions that would normally kill them, and even improved agriculture in poor areas of the world that depend on them for survival. I can't really think of a downside to that.

 

Apparently the downside is cancer. It's always cancer though, isn't it?
 
2012-09-19 04:53:58 PM
bdub77 I cannot Farkle you any more green and awesome than you already are. I currently have you favorited for 'witty' and 'informed'. I enjoy reading your musings.
 
2012-09-19 04:57:23 PM

Dahnkster: bdub77 I cannot Farkle you any more green and awesome than you already are. I currently have you favorited for 'witty' and 'informed'. I enjoy reading your musings.


You warm my heart :)
 
2012-09-19 04:59:10 PM
Warning labels?

I wonder if Monsanto servers GM food in their cafeteria?

Too many questions!!
 
2012-09-19 05:18:34 PM
i224.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-19 05:27:40 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: False advertising. I was expecting corn with tumors, not rats. Rats will develop tumors from just about anything.


Actually the majority of rat tumors are caused exclusively by researchers
 
2012-09-19 05:29:03 PM
Does the author have any clue how inbred laboratory rats are? They're terrible approximations for people.

Then again, killing things with chemicals is easy. Not killing other things at the same time is hard.
 
2012-09-19 05:30:41 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Does the author have any clue how inbred laboratory rats are? They're terrible approximations for people.

Then again, killing things with chemicals is easy. Not killing other things at the same time is hard.


This changes, what I assume is, a test group getting more tumors than a control group, how? If they're both inbred from the same population, that won't matter.
 
2012-09-19 05:36:13 PM

bdub77: Dahnkster: bdub77 I cannot Farkle you any more green and awesome than you already are. I currently have you favorited for 'witty' and 'informed'. I enjoy reading your musings.

You warm my heart :)


Sounds like you have a new subscription for your newsletter to fill.
 
2012-09-19 06:08:20 PM

bdub77: I'm just going to post this from an earlier thread because it's kind of amusing as this subject came up earlier:

AntonChigger: bdub77: Voiceofreason01: OK, we get it, you think Monsanto is evil and GM crops are the devil's work.

Of course not. Roundup-resistant weeds are the devil's work. Because if you don't believe in evolution, you can't believe that overusing chemical A for 30 years to kill off organism B eventually results in their evolution to be resistant to said chemical. Also spray-resistant bed bugs and MRSA bacteria are also the result of an evil anti-God.

Monsanto is without a doubt evil. The verdict is out on GM crops.

I don't know anything about Monsanto's business practices and ethics, but the verdict is definitely IN on GM crops, and they are NOT evil. They have improved yield, shelf life, resistance to a variety of conditions that would normally kill them, and even improved agriculture in poor areas of the world that depend on them for survival. I can't really think of a downside to that. 

Apparently the downside is cancer. It's always cancer though, isn't it?


Not really, the study was ideologically-driven shiat.
 
2012-09-19 07:15:25 PM
www.naturalnews.com

From another article on the topic.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Hey Pandora, have you seen the key to GMO box?
 
2012-09-19 07:21:14 PM

bdub77: I'm just going to post this from an earlier thread because it's kind of amusing as this subject came up earlier:

AntonChigger: bdub77: Voiceofreason01: OK, we get it, you think Monsanto is evil and GM crops are the devil's work.

Of course not. Roundup-resistant weeds are the devil's work. Because if you don't believe in evolution, you can't believe that overusing chemical A for 30 years to kill off organism B eventually results in their evolution to be resistant to said chemical. Also spray-resistant bed bugs and MRSA bacteria are also the result of an evil anti-God.

Monsanto is without a doubt evil. The verdict is out on GM crops.

I don't know anything about Monsanto's business practices and ethics, but the verdict is definitely IN on GM crops, and they are NOT evil. They have improved yield, shelf life, resistance to a variety of conditions that would normally kill them, and even improved agriculture in poor areas of the world that depend on them for survival. I can't really think of a downside to that. 

Apparently the downside is cancer. It's always cancer though, isn't it?



Cancer isn't necessarily a "downside".

There are overpopulation problems to consider, and it takes a clever fellow to figure out how to kill off all the excess people while robbing their families of their last dime.

/Science, people!
 
2012-09-19 07:27:08 PM
Cancer in inbred rats, huh. I'm going to guess the didn't use a Bayesian model, including in their priors that rats have a high incidence of tumors.

What now? They didn't even use Bayesian modeling? Why does this not surprise me. This study is total crap.
 
2012-09-19 07:35:15 PM
Here's a link to the study:

A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health

From 5. Conclusions

Patho-physiological profiles are unique for each GM crop/food, underlining the necessity for a case-by-case evaluation of their safety, as is largely admitted and agreed by regulators. It is not possible to make comments concerning any general, similar subchronic toxic effect for all GM foods. However, in the three GM maize varieties that formed the basis of this investigation, new side effects linked to the consumption of these cereals were revealed, which were sex- and often dose-dependent. Effects were mostly concentrated in kidney and liver function, the two major diet detoxification organs, but in detail differed with each GM type. In addition, some effects on heart, adrenal, spleen and blood cells were also frequently noted. As there normally exists sex differences in liver and kidney metabolism, the highly statistically significant disturbances in the function of these organs, seen between male and female rats, cannot be dismissed as biologically insignificant as has been proposed by others [4]. We therefore conclude that our data strongly suggests that these GM maize varieties induce a state of hepatorenal toxicity.

END QUOTE 


Greed + arrogance + cutting edge science .

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-09-19 07:36:10 PM

verbal_jizm: Cancer in inbred rats, huh. I'm going to guess the didn't use a Bayesian model, including in their priors that rats have a high incidence of tumors.

What now? They didn't even use Bayesian modeling? Why does this not surprise me. This study is total crap.



You may be right.

Buy you a bowl of GM Cornflakes?
 
2012-09-19 07:41:20 PM

Amos Quito: verbal_jizm: Cancer in inbred rats, huh. I'm going to guess the didn't use a Bayesian model, including in their priors that rats have a high incidence of tumors.

What now? They didn't even use Bayesian modeling? Why does this not surprise me. This study is total crap.


You may be right.

Buy you a bowl of GM Cornflakes?


Not if it would give money to Monsanto. The fact they're trying to make the world dependent on their crops is a far bigger problem than just the unlikely toxicity of one GMO.
 
2012-09-19 08:05:29 PM
Mmmmmmm... Tumors!

(*slurp!*)

Dee-lish!
 
2012-09-19 08:27:48 PM
Gee, didn't see that one coming over the hill.
 
For a second I got all excited because I was thinking about sweet sweet corn smut AKA huitlicoche.  AKA truffles that people would actually be able to afford and eat if we didn't spray everything with shiate that kills that sweet sweet huitlacoche.
 
2012-09-19 08:39:47 PM

verbal_jizm: Amos Quito: verbal_jizm: Cancer in inbred rats, huh. I'm going to guess the didn't use a Bayesian model, including in their priors that rats have a high incidence of tumors.

What now? They didn't even use Bayesian modeling? Why does this not surprise me. This study is total crap.


You may be right.

Buy you a bowl of GM Cornflakes?

Not if it would give money to Monsanto. The fact they're trying to make the world dependent on their crops is a far bigger problem than just the unlikely toxicity of one GMO.



Monsanto's food monopoly aspirations aside, farking with genes in plants/animals that can reproduce always seemed like Russian Roulette to me. Too little is known about the repercussions - not only on the target species, but on other species - everything from viruses to bacteria to insects and higher animals.

Too many potential variables. Not to be taken lightly, IMO.
 
2012-09-19 08:41:31 PM

Amos Quito: Mike Adam's NaturalNews.com, your source for bullshiat and quackery.


Amos. Did you actually link to NaturalNews with a straight face? Please tell me you were chortling the whole time as you typed that link in.
 
2012-09-19 08:41:41 PM
Seralini keeps beating this dead horse. He's done this study twice before and each time they were discredited. Here's what they say now:

http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/pages/press_releases/12-09-19_gm_ma i ze_rats_tumours.htm
 
2012-09-19 08:44:33 PM
the genetic engineering didn't cause cancer.
the poisonous herbicide caused cancer, as poisonous industrial chemicals sometimes do.
 
2012-09-19 08:45:18 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The My Little Pony Killer: False advertising. I was expecting corn with tumors, not rats. Rats will develop tumors from just about anything.

Actually the majority of rat tumors are caused exclusively by researchers


Luckily we've cured cancer a thousand times over... in rats.
 
2012-09-19 08:46:06 PM

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: Mike Adam's NaturalNews.com, your source for bullshiat and quackery.

Amos. Did you actually link to NaturalNews with a straight face? Please tell me you were chortling the whole time as you typed that link in.



What? You don't like the HEALTH RANGER?!?!?!?

Mike Adams is a joke. He actually guest hosts for ALEX JONES on his radio show, omg!!!

But he did post pics of lumpy rats, so he's got that going for him. 

/Lumpy
 
2012-09-19 08:48:11 PM

MacEnvy: Not really, the study was ideologically-driven shiat.


From TFA:

Dr Michael Antoniou, molecular biologist at Kings College, London, and a member of the CRIIGEN scientific council, says:

"This is the most thorough research ever published into the health effects of GM food crops and the herbicide Roundup on rats. It shows an extraordinary number of tumors developing earlier and more aggressively - particularly in female animals. I am shocked by the extreme negative health impacts."


From your link:

Tom Sanders, head of the nutritional sciences research division at King's College London, noted that Seralini's team had not provided any data on how much the rats were given to eat, or what their growth rates were.

KING'S COLLEGE SCIENTIST SLAPFIGHT!!!
 
2012-09-19 08:49:54 PM

Amos Quito: What? You don't like the HEALTH RANGER?!?!?!?

Mike Adams is a joke. He actually guest hosts for ALEX JONES on his radio show, omg!!!

But he did post pics of lumpy rats, so he's got that going for him. 

/Lumpy


Phew.

I was afraid any respect for you I had went out the window knowing you worship at the Altar of the Venezuelan Health Ranger.

Mike Adams is what is colloquially known as an idiot.
 
2012-09-19 08:50:45 PM
Not a fan of GMO, but how about we discuss it on its merits rather than make shiat up about it?
 
2012-09-19 08:52:32 PM
I for one am shocked, SHOCKED, that eating herbicides and/or Frankencorn might cause serious health problems.

/ shocked
 
2012-09-19 08:56:05 PM
Duh- not like it wasn't completely foreseen. I wonder how much money Monsanto has poured into shutting up the facts of the matter over the years...

Press Release:
Instititue for Science in Society (ISIS)

Nov. 17 1999

Dormant viruses can be reactivated with genetically modified organisms

New Research Results on Genetically Modified Organisms

The use of the Cauliflower Mosaic Viral promotor (CaMV) has the potential to reactivate dormant viruses or create new viruses in all species to which it is transferred. CaMV is known to be found in practically all current transgenic crops released commercially or undergoing field trials.

This transgenic instability increases the possibility of promotion of an inappropriate over-expression of genes to the transferred species. The development of cancer may be one consequence of such inappropriate over-expression of genes.

The scientists behind the research "strongly recommend that all transgenic crops containing CaMV 35S or similar promoters which are recombinogenic should be immediately withdrawn from commercial production or open field trials. All products derived from such crops containing transgenic DNA should also be immediately withdrawn from sale and from use for human consumption or animal feed". 

These research results will be published in an article by scientists Mae-Wan Ho, Angela Ryan, and Joe Cummins, researchers at The Open University in England and University of Western Ontario, Canada. The article, "Cauliflower Mosaic Viral Promoter - A Recipe for Disaster? ", will be published in the December 1999 issue of the international scientific journal Microbial Ecology in Health and Disease (1999, 11: 194-197). For discussions of this paper, see "Hazards of CaMV Promoter" and "Hazards of Transgenic Plants Containing the Cauliflower Mosaic Viral Promoter".

Monsanto Company is an owner of patents on the CaMV 35S promoter.
 
2012-09-19 08:57:01 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: False advertising. I was expecting corn with tumors, not rats. Rats will develop tumors from just about anything.


Good lord, I came here to see how long it would take for someone to spin this into "GMO corn is really safe!!"

ONE POST!
 
2012-09-19 08:58:06 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Warning labels?

I wonder if Monsanto servers GM food in their cafeteria?

Too many questions!!


You seem to be assuming that Monsanto gives a damn about its employees.

img1.fark.net
 
2012-09-19 08:58:07 PM
I really don't like the fact that Monsanto prevents farmers from planting from their own seed. Heirloom tomatoes are going to be a thing of the past pretty soon if Monsanto continues with the business tactics that they use for corn fields and apply that to tomato crops. Also, I don't like GM corn. I'm not sure, but I'd be that at least some of what I buy is GM. It drives up the price (because the farmer has to buy new seed each year from Monsanto), it might affect my health, it might encourage crops to become RoundUp resistant, and I just don't like Monsanto taking a cut of pretty much all the food production in the world. Do a google for Monsanto in India and read a bit about that. Or LMGTFY Link

/I wish I had bought some stock back when I was young.
 
2012-09-19 08:58:27 PM

MacEnvy: Not really, the study was ideologically-driven shiat.


Thanks for the link. I found myself suspicious just from the report. While the idea of a herbicide being something you don't want to eat makes perfectly good sense there is no herbicide in Roundup-Ready corn. The whole idea is to make it resistant to something toxic, not to actually make something toxic.

While it was a stupid idea (the gene has simply spread to the weeds) it shouldn't be dangerous.
 
2012-09-19 08:59:02 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: False advertising. I was expecting corn with tumors, not rats. Rats will develop tumors from just about anything.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-19 09:01:29 PM
It is possible that the use of GM crops may become moot. Midwest corn and soybean farmers have already identified several weeds that are increasingly Roundup resistant. Also, Bt corn has helped to develop rootworms, cutworms, and corn borers that are Bt resistant. If we're not careful, we might have to develop things like crop rotation and mixed-model farming and mechanical cultivation - as in "Pick up that hoe and get your ass out there." as my Grandfather so often told me. Worked for a few millennia. Might work again.
 
2012-09-19 09:02:06 PM
Not to defend GM crops, but what now-a-days don't cause cancer.
/Maybe they should feed the corn one glass of wine a day
 
2012-09-19 09:02:28 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: False advertising. I was expecting corn with tumors, not rats. Rats will develop tumors from just about anything.


This.
Rats are tumour factories.
 
2012-09-19 09:03:32 PM

dryknife: The My Little Pony Killer: False advertising. I was expecting corn with tumors, not rats. Rats will develop tumors from just about anything.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 326x337]


And in more than one culture, that fungus is considered a delicacy.
 
2012-09-19 09:04:12 PM

dryknife: 4.bp.blogspot.com


huitlacoche is delicious
 
2012-09-19 09:04:48 PM
Aren't all modern foods "genetically modified"? Isn't Monsanto just doing at the cellular level what farmers have been doing or centuries?
 
2012-09-19 09:05:14 PM

bdub77: I'm just going to post this from an earlier thread because it's kind of amusing as this subject came up earlier:

AntonChigger: bdub77: Voiceofreason01: OK, we get it, you think Monsanto is evil and GM crops are the devil's work.

Of course not. Roundup-resistant weeds are the devil's work. Because if you don't believe in evolution, you can't believe that overusing chemical A for 30 years to kill off organism B eventually results in their evolution to be resistant to said chemical. Also spray-resistant bed bugs and MRSA bacteria are also the result of an evil anti-God.

Monsanto is without a doubt evil. The verdict is out on GM crops.

I don't know anything about Monsanto's business practices and ethics, but the verdict is definitely IN on GM crops, and they are NOT evil. They have improved yield, shelf life, resistance to a variety of conditions that would normally kill them, and even improved agriculture in poor areas of the world that depend on them for survival. I can't really think of a downside to that. 

Apparently the downside is cancer. It's always cancer though, isn't it?


the downside is that we are not supposed to keep solving the Malthusian dilemma. We need crop failures and famines to kill off our over population of humans just like any other species. We should not even be able to support the 7-8 billion we have now. And we certainly dont need to be able to support 50 billion.
 
2012-09-19 09:05:46 PM
Gm food is created by the Jews in order to do a reverse-holocaust on the world.
 
2012-09-19 09:06:02 PM
No one made a joke about the GM bailout yet.
/I am dissapooint
 
Zel
2012-09-19 09:07:19 PM
And if you read into the scientific article instead of the tabloid version:
http://research.sustainablefoodtrust.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/F i nal-Paper.pdf

Or skip to the commentary:
http://www.weedcontrolfreaks.com/2012/09/why-i-think-the-seralini-gm- f eeding-trial-is-bogus/
and
http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/pages/press_releases/12-09-19_gm_ma i ze_rats_tumours.htm

You'll learn that this strain of rats grow tumors when you feed them ANYTHING. Their definitions of increased cancer-death are bogus, and their control group mostly died of cancer too. It's what that kind of labrat is for.
 
2012-09-19 09:10:29 PM
Did everyone miss the fact that they tested GM corn + Roundup and Roundup by itself?

From TFA:

Researchers found that rats fed on a diet containing NK603 Roundup tolerant GM maize, or given water containing Roundup at levels permitted in drinking water and GM crops in the US, died earlier than rats fed on a standard diet. They suffered mammary tumors and severe liver and kidney damage.

Not saying that GM food is a wonderful thing (it isn't for a number of reasons, some that have nothing to do with safety.) But c'mon... Occam's razor would cleave towards the ingesting of Roundup, not GM corn as the likely cause of the tumors, kidney damage, etc.
 
2012-09-19 09:13:45 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Aren't all modern foods "genetically modified"? Isn't Monsanto just doing at the cellular level what farmers have been doing or centuries?


Kindofnotreally.

GM foods may only be speeding up the normal process, true; but in some cases they are inserting other genes from other, unrelated plants via gene-splicing. Some types of GM foods, in other words, are creating a process that cannot happen naturally: You can cross-breed different strains of corn and create a super-corn either in the lab or in the field; but you cannot cross-breed corn and sweet potatoes anywhere BUT in a recombinant DNA facility.

The thing is, what seems like a comparatively benign process--adding in extra genes to strengthen the corn--presumes that we a) entirely know the genetic sequence of the corn and the additive gene, AND b) are assured that the alteration in the sequence will not have deleterious effects. Apparently, b) is no longer presumptively true. After all, a variation of one gene on a single chromosome in a human being can produce not only (say) respiratory problems, it also creates the entire raft of problems associated with cystic fibrosis. So even in a less-complex organism like corn, it can't be said with total certainty that taking a section out of one chromosome and replacing it with another is going to have ONLY the effect of making the corn resistant to one pesticide. It could also cause other problems down the road.
 
2012-09-19 09:14:59 PM
Inbred rats? LOL!

Wow, I thought I stumbled into a Climate Change Thread with all the bashing of legitimate science.
 
2012-09-19 09:17:16 PM
The gene modification in the corn to poison insects also poisons you. Just less so, unless you eat a lot of corn. Or high fructose corn syrup which is always gmo corn. Be afraid soda/pop drinkers, very afraid.
 
2012-09-19 09:18:31 PM

what the cat dragged in: Did everyone miss the fact that they tested GM corn + Roundup and Roundup by itself?

From TFA:

Researchers found that rats fed on a diet containing NK603 Roundup tolerant GM maize, or given water containing Roundup at levels permitted in drinking water and GM crops in the US, died earlier than rats fed on a standard diet. They suffered mammary tumors and severe liver and kidney damage.

Not saying that GM food is a wonderful thing (it isn't for a number of reasons, some that have nothing to do with safety.) But c'mon... Occam's razor would cleave towards the ingesting of Roundup, not GM corn as the likely cause of the tumors, kidney damage, etc.


This. Monsanto is an evil corporation (one of the more evil ones, which says a lot), but this study is ridiculously flawed and biased. For one thing, they didn't even release what they fed to the rats in the control group and the study group (rats are very susceptible to cancer, so it is actually a very important detail).
 
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