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(Balloon Juice)   "I'm the President of the United States, not the President of the people who agree with me." What Mitt Romney can learn from Jed Bartlett   (balloon-juice.com) divider line 22
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2012-09-19 02:57:36 PM
4 votes:
I have never watched The West Wing and I'm starting to think that's a damned shame.
2012-09-19 07:34:47 PM
2 votes:

thisispete: I bought the boxed set a few months ago. I'm up to season five. It's amazing how the series anticipated contemporary politics.


Worth knowing is that Sorkin was basing characters in the series off political operators he saw and knew. Any time you think Josh throws elbows in a familiar way, remember that he's based on Rahm Emanuel.
2012-09-19 07:11:40 PM
2 votes:

tomWright: ""I'm the President of the United States, not the President of the people who agree with me.""

Yeah. Considering how many folks on the left I heard say that Bush was not "their" president, this seems somewhat, ironic? Does that fit here?


If this had been an exercise in missing the point, you would have done very well. But this isn't about the people disowning the the guy they didn't vote for, it's about how the President treats the country as a whole, including those who don't agree with him.
2012-09-19 07:06:11 PM
2 votes:

tomWright: ""I'm the President of the United States, not the President of the people who agree with me.""

Yeah. Considering how many folks on the left I heard say that Bush was not "their" president, this seems somewhat, ironic? Does that fit here?


I think a lot of that came from the fact that he didn't actually get the most votes in that election and a lot of people thought he was handed the election by the court.

But the above statement is about the mentality of the President, not the governed. The President still has to be the President of people who say he's not their President. He can't just say it's not his "job to worry about those people." It's his job to worry about everyone.
2012-09-19 07:01:00 PM
2 votes:

tomWright: ""I'm the President of the United States, not the President of the people who agree with me.""

Yeah. Considering how many folks on the left I heard say that Bush was not "their" president, this seems somewhat, ironic? Does that fit here?


This clip isn't about voters like that, because like LordJiro said there are people who say the same thing about President Obama. This is about how the President responds to those people, and if he will show respect and compassion toward them, or denigrate them as people who don't want to take responsibility for their own lives.
2012-09-19 03:45:40 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Obama could really learn how to govern from Bartlet. Campaign Bartlet and Campaign Obama are good, but Governing Obama sucks.


Campaign Obama can say what he wants to get done.

Governing Obama has to deal with a farkass opposition in Congress who's stated farking goal was not to govern, but to assure he doesn't get reelected. In other words, reality.
2012-09-19 03:01:11 PM
2 votes:

Via Infinito: I have never watched The West Wing and I'm starting to think that's a damned shame.


This was always a favorite clip of mine, in terms of West Wing electoral politics: Link
2012-09-20 09:22:57 AM
1 votes:

quatchi: Chameleon: It has nothing to do with politics, but "Noel" from Season 2 is my all-time favorite episode.

Just thought I'd share.

'Two Cathedrals' is mine.

All 7 seasons are good, and yes in many ways the series was remarkably prescient.


Two Cathedrals here too.


You're a son of a biatch, you know that?  She bought her first new car and you hit her with a drunk driver. What? Was that supposed to be funny? "You can't conceive, nor can I, the appalling strangeness of the mercy of God," says Graham Greene. I don't know whose ass he was kissing there, 'cause I think you're just vindictive. What was Josh Lyman - a warning shot? That was my son. What did I ever do to yours but praise his glory and praise his name? There's a tropical storm that's gaining speed and power. They say we haven't had a storm this bad since you took out that tender ship of mine in the North Atlantic last year. Sixty-eight crew. You know what a tender ship does? Fixes the other ships. It doesn't even carry guns. It just goes around, fixes the other ships and delivers the mail. That's all it can do. Gratias tibi ago, domine. Yes, I lied. It was a sin. I've committed many sins. Have I displeased you, you feckless thug? 3.8 million new jobs, that wasn't good?

Bailed out Mexico. Increased foreign trade. Thirty million new acres of land for conservation. Put Mendoza on the bench. We're not fighting a war. I've raised three children. That's not enough to buy me out of the doghouse? 

Haec Credam a deo pio, a deo iusto, a deo scito? Cruciatus in crucem. Trus in terra servus, nuntius fui, officium perfeci. Cruciatus in crucem. Eas in crucem.

You get Hoynes.

The Latin:

Am I to believe these things from a righteous god? A just god? A wise god?

To hell with your punishments!
I was your servant, your messenger on the earth; I did my duty.

To hell with your punishments! And to hell  with you!
2012-09-20 12:53:04 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Obama could really learn how to govern from Bartlet. Campaign Bartlet and Campaign Obama are good, but Governing Obama sucks.


Out of curiosity, how much of "governing Obama" do you believe is his fault, and what number do you give the intransigent GOP? I'm asking a genuine question. Furthermore, are you basically saying Obama doesn't pack the gear to serve in our beloved corps?

On some days I consider it 50/50, but on others it can trend upward of 70/30 with the cheap politics of the GOP in the lead. Keep in mind that I'm fairly well-known as a raging libtard, but obstructionism in the name of gaining points doesn't lie, and the fact that I'm more liberal than Obama (hell, who isn't) doesn't interfere with my thoughts. I genuinely feel the man has faced Sisyphean tasks with this Congress and therefore it's difficult to pin the majority of the blame on him.
2012-09-19 09:40:09 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Via Infinito: I have never watched The West Wing and I'm starting to think that's a damned shame.

This was always a favorite clip of mine, in terms of West Wing electoral politics: Link


Here's another relevant one.


Santos: It's true, Republicans have tried to turn 'liberal' into a bad word. Well, liberals ended slavery in this country.
Vinick: A Republican president ended slavery.
Santos: Yes, a liberal Republican. What happened to them? They got run out of your party. What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created social security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed every one of those programs. Every one. So when you try to hurl the word 'liberal' at my feet, as if it were dirty, something to run away from, something that I should be ashamed of, it won't work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and wear it as a badge of honor.
2012-09-19 07:50:20 PM
1 votes:

tomWright: ""I'm the President of the United States, not the President of the people who agree with me.""

Yeah. Considering how many folks on the left I heard say that Bush was not "their" president, this seems somewhat, ironic? Does that fit here?


No. Somehow you managed to get that completely backwards.

See, the reason lefties were saying that is because he wasn't acting like their president. In fact, I seem to recall him talking about a "mandate" for his policies, when he had only won by such slim margins, instead of following a path of compromise that might have been suggested by the close election.

Hell, I'm a libby-lefty and I gave him my support and respect after 9/11. It was as great of an opportunity to be everyone's president as any. It's a shame he pissed it all away on unnecessary wars and intrusive security measures.
2012-09-19 07:36:08 PM
1 votes:

TalenLee: thisispete: I bought the boxed set a few months ago. I'm up to season five. It's amazing how the series anticipated contemporary politics.

Worth knowing is that Sorkin was basing characters in the series off political operators he saw and knew. Any time you think Josh throws elbows in a familiar way, remember that he's based on Rahm Emanuel.


And Matt Santos was based on Obama.
2012-09-19 07:33:08 PM
1 votes:
I prefer The Thick Of It and Yes Minister for my TV politicians.
/Veep is okay too.
2012-09-19 07:20:06 PM
1 votes:
I always liked this dialog from the Hartsfield Landing episode



TOBY:
Then make this election about smart, and not... Make it about engaged, and not. Qualified, and not. Make it about a heavyweight. You're a heavyweight. 
2012-09-19 06:57:16 PM
1 votes:
We need a West Wing reunion movie where all the members of the Bartlett administration get together, post 9/11, and head up the post-secesssion USA, where Texas is the capital of the rogue states, which include all the traditional confederate ones. Jed crushes the rebellion.
2012-09-19 06:56:36 PM
1 votes:

tomWright: ""I'm the President of the United States, not the President of the people who agree with me.""

Yeah. Considering how many folks on the left I heard say that Bush was not "their" president, this seems somewhat, ironic? Does that fit here?


And there are at least an equal number of people saying Obama isn't "their" President...Hell, there's a sizable chunk of Republicans who claim Obama isn't even American.

There are wingnuts on both sides. Republicans just happen to elect theirs.
2012-09-19 06:34:31 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Governing Bartlett wasn't that good. What great pieces of legislation did he get passed?


Most of the series was during the Bush administration. I think people were overjoyed for even a pretend president that wasn't an incurious moron acting as a sock puppet for outright evil.
2012-09-19 05:54:38 PM
1 votes:
My dear wife recently bought me the boxed set- all the seasons... A ludicrous amount of money, but it's a very nice product, and I've got her hooked like a crackhead- we're averaging a couple of episodes a night.

/want so badly to vote Bartlett...
//love the rants and beatdowns
2012-09-19 04:56:49 PM
1 votes:
Sam Gustin (@samgustin)
9/19/12 1:52 PM
Sec. Clinton says new Burmese speaker told her they were trying to learn how to do democracy by watching old episodes of West Wing.
2012-09-19 03:25:09 PM
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: It was a TV show. Let it go people.


It was a genius work of art, and there's no reason to ever let art go.
2012-09-19 03:03:25 PM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: Via Infinito: I have never watched The West Wing and I'm starting to think that's a damned shame.

I just started watching on AmazonPrime (and they need a better media player.) I didn't catch on to the original run until about the third season. Damn this was good stuff.


DAMMIT NETFLIX! I can watch Vampire Diaries and Ancient f*cking Aliens but The West Wing isn't streaming? I guess I'll look into the Amazon thing. *sigh*
2012-09-19 02:55:39 PM
1 votes:
Upvoted just so we can have another West Wing thread. :D
 
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