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2012-09-19 05:32:07 PM  
Yeah well we should still teach the controversy nontroversy.
 
2012-09-19 05:32:35 PM  

gilgigamesh:

If someone chooses to be ignorant of an obvious fact staring him in the face, how would you suggest you rationalize with him or her?

That's what this amounts to. Creationists have arrived at an unsupportable conclusion because of faith in Bronze Age fables, and they use that conclusion to construct their own reality. In other circumstances this would be diagnosed as delusional psychosis and treated with medication or perhaps therapy.

I would be happy to suggest that as an alternative, except they would probably see that as ridicule or persecution as well.


I would suggest that you don't try. it is a pointless exercise.

Since these beliefs don't affect their quality of life, and do not cause them any suffering they would likely not be diagnosed as delusional psychosis.
 
2012-09-19 05:34:50 PM  

Apos: [th77.photobucket.com image 160x158]

"Father,forgive them,for they know not what they do are a buncha farking tards."


FIFY
 
2012-09-19 05:36:10 PM  
The last dinosaur hasn't died yet. I hear them singing outside my window every morning.
 
2012-09-19 05:36:59 PM  

Pro Zack:
Since these beliefs don't affect their quality of life, and do not cause them any suffering they would likely not be diagnosed as delusional psychosis.


Meh. Lots of people are ill but functional. I'm pretty sure most doctors would consider me to be a functional alcoholic. They wouldn't medicate or hospitalize me, but they would probably recommend I quit drinking so much or maybe suggest therapy.
 
2012-09-19 05:37:45 PM  

NallTWD: icallhimgamblor: Wrong. They were still around in 1958.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 295x422]

Jesus farking tapdancing christ I remember that book... That cover no less.

/to Amazon!


I had an entire bookshelf full of "I can read books." And yes, i remember that exact book myself. I wish I still ahd mine so that I could give them to my granddaughter now. I may have to invest in some again. Oh, and I also had the Art Linkletter encyclopedia's as well. They were great things for a young and growing mind.
 
2012-09-19 05:37:56 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

Yet.


don't look at me, i'm too busy boycottn chicken

wait a minute chickens are dinosarus?! we have come full circle
 
2012-09-19 05:38:40 PM  

gilgigamesh: vegasj: LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.

Wait six hundred years? That can't be right. There are trees still alive today that are older than that. Hell, there are cathedrals in the UK much older than that. Stonehenge would be about 8 times older than the earth.


For that matter, Jesus would have died 1400 years before the earth was created.

Internally inconsistent delusions. Now *that* is a person with issues.
 
2012-09-19 05:38:54 PM  

Leo Bloom's Freakout: icallhimgamblor: Wrong. They were still around in 1958.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 295x422]

I have it on good authority that the last known dinosaur was a contemporary of those of us around in the late-80's. 

[imthatold.com image 533x400]

/"He's our friend and a whole lot more!"
//Always seems like an odd line


Now that theme song is in my head. I hate you.
 
2012-09-19 05:39:26 PM  

gilgigamesh: Pro Zack:
Since these beliefs don't affect their quality of life, and do not cause them any suffering they would likely not be diagnosed as delusional psychosis.

Meh. Lots of people are ill but functional. I'm pretty sure most doctors would consider me to be a functional alcoholic. They wouldn't medicate or hospitalize me, but they would probably recommend I quit drinking so much or maybe suggest therapy.



i105.photobucket.com
You like drinking too? Dude, we should hang out
 
2012-09-19 05:41:49 PM  

offmymeds: fusillade762: I love that even Dr Pepper is trolling these people.

[timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com image 600x400]

Creationists Boycott Dr. Pepper over "Evolution of Flavor" Facebook Ad

Surprised this hasn't made a Fark headline yet.

It did. Link


Cool, thanks! I would have been sad to miss that one.
 
2012-09-19 05:41:55 PM  

Mugato: Well then what about the farking stars, motherfarkers? Those bits of light that took millions of years to reach us? You should hear the answers for that given by my fundamentalist friends.

/yes, have fundamentalist friends
//we mostly talk about movies and shiat to avoid conflict


And add astronomy as another branch of science that creationists have to slam thier eyes shut against.
 
2012-09-19 05:42:45 PM  

WolfinPDX: Just dropped in to post the obligatory chicken photo (it's a Portland thing); seen it was already done. Leaving satisfied.


It is? I live in Portland and I don't get it...
 
2012-09-19 05:43:15 PM  

Amos Quito: He didn't "die", he was MURDERED!


He was legally executed by the legal government, and even the bible says to respect governmental authority, as people in power were put there by god.

I live with my mom
 
2012-09-19 05:46:37 PM  

Cyberluddite: OK, I hate to stick up for creationists here, but this isn't what they believe at all. What this thing does is take the scientific theory of the timeline and processes of the creation of the earth through the present--a theory that the creationists reject--and overlay it against their "the earth is 6000 years old" nonsense.

Yes, if someone believed that the geologic events and timeline of the earth played out exactly as scientists say it did, but their only disagreement was that it occurred over the course of only 6000 years rather than over the course of the 4.5 billion years as scientists say it took, then they would believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th Century. Which would be interesting, if there was anybody who believed that, but there isn't.

Creationists believe enough wacky stuff without misstating their beliefs. Stop it.


Yes. It would be a shame to impugn their careful scientific theories
 
2012-09-19 05:48:21 PM  

gilgigamesh: FloydA: downstairs:

In short, they believe all types of crazy crap. We don't need to make up things to mock them for.

If a creationist pointed to this chart and said, "We don't believe dinosaurs went extinct in 1927. That's crazy, and you are misrepresenting my belief that God put dinosaur bones in the ground to trick us", well...

I don't know how I'd respond to that.


That would, in essence, but the simplest, most sublimely beautiful moment in the world. I would highly encourage you in that instant to lean back, close your eyes, and think of England drink in the cascade of emotions as they grip you, and then let go. Maybe eat a sandwich afterwards.
 
2012-09-19 05:48:22 PM  

CDP: the coelacanth. In 1938 this one-and-a-half-metre-long (five-foot) fish was caught in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa. From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct for about the same time period as the dinosaurs, but it was actually quite well known to the Madagascan fishermen, who had been catching it for centuries.

Very recently, a live tree was discovered, in an Australian wilderness, which was previously unknown except for its 'dinosaur age' fossils.4 Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators, but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

The puzzle is solved, however, when the millions of years are seen as fiction, and the fossils are seen largely as the result of the global Flood described in the Bible. Although many creatures have become extinct in the thousands of years since the Flood, it is far less surprising for creationists than evolutionists when some of them, known only from the fossil record, turn up alive and well.

Link


8/10

Nice

I expect you will get some bites
 
2012-09-19 05:50:33 PM  

JesseL: Why do people keep saying dinosaurs are extinct?

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net


This--and that one is a very cute dinosaur. :D

Me, I've had a mess of these tiny little velociraptor-kin in my yard as of late:

upload.wikimedia.org

Cute as well, though not as much if you're trying to provide housing for more native and bluer-in-colour dinosaurs like this one:

upload.wikimedia.org

And thankfully not as loud (even in crowds) as these dinosaurs:

upload.wikimedia.org

(The guinea fowl, otherwise known as Nature's own burglar alarm and really surprisingly loud. Neighbours who used to raise Herefords used to have 'em to keep ticks down on the property, and they'd frequently end up in our yard :D)
 
2012-09-19 05:50:54 PM  

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: This is all hilarious right up until the moment you realize that home-schooled kids are being dosed up with a 4000 year old world as literal truth right this very minute in the living rooms of quite a few religious households. You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity. I feel bad for these kids; critical thinking will rescue to many of them far too late.


Nonsense. They will grow to be fine republican voters not realizing they are part of the 47%
 
2012-09-19 05:52:11 PM  
Someone took a lot of time and effort to design something so unnecessarily insulting. If it accurately depicted what thumpers thought, that would be one thing.. But it doesn't.
 
2012-09-19 05:52:57 PM  

gilgigamesh: vegasj: LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.

Wait six hundred years? That can't be right. There are trees still alive today that are older than that. Hell, there are cathedrals in the UK much older than that. Stonehenge would be about 8 times older than the earth.


How do YOU know? I bet you're not older than 60 and can't attest to anything older than that, not empirically. Someone TOLD you a tree was older then 600 years. Do you believe everything you're told?
 
2012-09-19 05:54:49 PM  
RestinpeaceDinahShore.jpg

/Obscure???
 
2012-09-19 05:58:09 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Elzar: Not only a large wooden boat, but one with an 18" ventilation window - for the whole thing... Also where did all the freshwater fish survive - in the on ark aquariums that jeebus never wrote about?

Which raises the question of how the freshwater fish got to the ark in the first place...


I actually had a debate once about this with an honest-to-God young-earth Creationist. His take was that salinity was uniform across the globe before the EVENT and that all fish survived in this hypo-salinity condition. Post-EVENT freshwater bodies that were created by the subsiding waters (filtered over hundreds of years of rain cycles), and salt-water bodies that took up the salty turbidity of the ocean floor caused some of the fish to "micro-evolve" into their current exclusively salt & fresh states. Some, like salmon, didn't need to. Yes, the macro-evolution vs. micro-evolution faction of young-earth Creationism is a weird and wonderful place.
 
2012-09-19 05:58:46 PM  

Delawheredad: OK that is amusing but misleading. Creationists are stupid but not stupid enough to believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th century.


"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

When you're talking to someone who's below a certain threshold of cluelessness, you're just wasting your time if you're using logical facts and arguments. Pointing at them and laughing, taking pictures, and asking questions that start with "OMG - so let me get this straight..." are much more effective.

Creationists aren't afraid of your big brain and powerful logical arguments. What they're afraid of is that their 12 year old kid will start to view them as a laughing stock. Let's make that shiat happen.
 
2012-09-19 05:59:00 PM  

fusillade762: WolfinPDX: Just dropped in to post the obligatory chicken photo (it's a Portland thing); seen it was already done. Leaving satisfied.

It is? I live in Portland and I don't get it...


Put a bird on it!
 
2012-09-19 05:59:47 PM  
I got involved in that thread, to my regret. There was so much stupidity on display in the comments for a science-based website that it worried me.
 
2012-09-19 05:59:52 PM  

Makh: No, they are still around dictating our biological and internet policies. Some of them, however, have evolved into birds, particularly of the war hawk variety.


We don't have to worry about species going extinct, because, at least I'm told by biology scientists, when a species is threatened- TRULY threatened- nature has a way of, you know, starting that whole thing back up again.
 
2012-09-19 06:01:04 PM  

vegasj: LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.


Please tell me you dropped a zero there.
 
2012-09-19 06:01:08 PM  

Amos Quito: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD


Yet.


Wait 'til the fundies read it.


And no ones translated the article to american english yet :)
 
2012-09-19 06:02:17 PM  

Cyberluddite: OK, I hate to stick up for creationists here, but this isn't what they believe at all. What this thing does is take the scientific theory of the timeline and processes of the creation of the earth through the present--a theory that the creationists reject--and overlay it against their "the earth is 6000 years old" nonsense.


Yes. It's almost as though they're trying to be deliberately snarky.
 
2012-09-19 06:03:12 PM  
Clearly some people don't grasp the concept of satire.
 
2012-09-19 06:03:51 PM  
i628.photobucket.com

ooh (dinosaur) automobile
 
2012-09-19 06:04:06 PM  
I want to see something that like this that Creationists believe and which yet invalidates their beliefs. Something like this: (forgive, I have no graphics skills)

Earth was created in 4004 BC according to Ussher's timeline. Using that same timeline, the Flood was about 1000 years later; ergo, the world was "re-created" (post Flood) in 3000 BC, or thereabouts.

Creationists have to believe in Moses and the Pharaoh, usually assumed to be Ramses the Great. Ramses II was the third pharaoh of the 19th Dynasty, which began (according to "scientific" belief) in 1298 BC with Ramses I. So the 19th Dynasty began 1700 years after the great Flood. So far so "good". Now, to be Pharaoh of Egypt, Ramses had to live after the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt, again, assumed by "scientists" to have occurred about...3000 BC.

Problem: For there to have been an upper and lower Egypt to unify, there must have been people living in both kingdoms BEFORE 3000 BC, which of course is not possible if everyone was wiped out in the Flood. Furthermore, the sons of Noah were the ones who did the actual repopulating, which would mean Ramses was himself a descendant of Noah.

Right?
 
2012-09-19 06:05:12 PM  
Why hasn't this been posted yet? I am disappoint.

www.dailysquib.co.uk
 
2012-09-19 06:05:12 PM  
in this thread we watch the butt hurt concern trolls troll the butt hurt loki trolls who are trolling the butt hurt derp trolls who are trolling the butt hurt concern trolls, all of which are members of the same Idiot Brigade

in a little play we call "dance puppets dance", where the hatetheists circle jerk while pulling the strings on the marionette

www.1a20.com 

and it never gets old, eva
 
2012-09-19 06:05:20 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Well that was a stupid article.


That's funny. I came in to say what about Abe Vigoda?
 
2012-09-19 06:05:48 PM  

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Well then what about the farking stars, motherfarkers? Those bits of light that took millions of years to reach us? You should hear the answers for that given by my fundamentalist friends.

/yes, have fundamentalist friends
//we mostly talk about movies and shiat to avoid conflict

And add astronomy as another branch of science that creationists have to slam thier eyes shut against.


I can understand not believing in carbon dating. I had AP chemistry in high school and I don't farking understand it. Half Life is a video game as far as I'm concerned. But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?
 
2012-09-19 06:10:16 PM  
I hope people realize that this is just a joke made for the joking progression of reconciling geological history and the Earth being formed in 4000BC thing.

At least I hope it is.
 
2012-09-19 06:10:38 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: JesseL: Why do people keep saying dinosaurs are extinct?

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x576]

This--and that one is a very cute dinosaur. :D

Me, I've had a mess of these tiny little velociraptor-kin in my yard as of late:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 571x480]

Cute as well, though not as much if you're trying to provide housing for more native and bluer-in-colour dinosaurs like this one:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 480x480]

And thankfully not as loud (even in crowds) as these dinosaurs:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 638x480]

(The guinea fowl, otherwise known as Nature's own burglar alarm and really surprisingly loud. Neighbours who used to raise Herefords used to have 'em to keep ticks down on the property, and they'd frequently end up in our yard :D)


We raised guineas along with chickens. Not only ticks, but the guineas were real good about getting rid of snakes. Of course if you had one of the 6ft or larger black "chicken" snakes that liked to steal eggs and kill chickens, they usually weren't a match, but the smaller snakes bit the dust.
 
2012-09-19 06:11:47 PM  
(Genesis 6:19-20) - "And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive."

(Genesis 7:2-3) - "You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are
not clean two, a male and his female; also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth."



It says "every living thing of all flesh" but then says "birds, animals, creeping things on the ground". The "all flesh" part I would think would include fish and birds and insects, but the second part makes it not quite as clear. It names 3 creatures (birds, animals, creeping things). God must not consider birds to be animals, and animals aren't creepy things. So, we have birds and insects covered. Now, does "animals" include fish? I see no reason to think not, well except the fact the whole thing is a bunch of BS. =)

Also, as for how Noah got all the animals, it says "two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive." He doesn't go get them, they come to him.
 
2012-09-19 06:12:35 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: JesseL: Why do people keep saying dinosaurs are extinct?

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x576]

This--and that one is a very cute dinosaur. :D

Me, I've had a mess of these tiny little velociraptor-kin in my yard as of late:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 571x480]

Cute as well, though not as much if you're trying to provide housing for more native and bluer-in-colour dinosaurs like this one:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 480x480]

And thankfully not as loud (even in crowds) as these dinosaurs:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 638x480]

(The guinea fowl, otherwise known as Nature's own burglar alarm and really surprisingly loud. Neighbours who used to raise Herefords used to have 'em to keep ticks down on the property, and they'd frequently end up in our yard :D)


slacktory.com
 
2012-09-19 06:12:43 PM  

Mugato: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Well then what about the farking stars, motherfarkers? Those bits of light that took millions of years to reach us? You should hear the answers for that given by my fundamentalist friends.

/yes, have fundamentalist friends
//we mostly talk about movies and shiat to avoid conflict

And add astronomy as another branch of science that creationists have to slam thier eyes shut against.

I can understand not believing in carbon dating. I had AP chemistry in high school and I don't farking understand it. Half Life is a video game as far as I'm concerned. But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?


Farking appeal to ignorance...how does it work?

(I know YOU're not being stupid, it's the people you're talking about who vex me beyond words)
 
2012-09-19 06:13:13 PM  

Jacobin: CDP: the coelacanth. In 1938 this one-and-a-half-metre-long (five-foot) fish was caught in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa. From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct for about the same time period as the dinosaurs, but it was actually quite well known to the Madagascan fishermen, who had been catching it for centuries.

Very recently, a live tree was discovered, in an Australian wilderness, which was previously unknown except for its 'dinosaur age' fossils.4 Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators, but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

The puzzle is solved, however, when the millions of years are seen as fiction, and the fossils are seen largely as the result of the global Flood described in the Bible. Although many creatures have become extinct in the thousands of years since the Flood, it is far less surprising for creationists than evolutionists when some of them, known only from the fossil record, turn up alive and well.

Link

8/10

Nice

I expect you will get some bites


I'm glad to see him back, I haven't seen him post in forever.
 
2012-09-19 06:16:27 PM  

CDP: From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct


Fossils do not work that way.
 
2012-09-19 06:17:55 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Actually, the last Dinah Saur lived right here... on No Bikini Atoll
[beanyandcecil.com image 655x480]


"No Bikini Atoll?! WWWWOOOOOOOOW!!"

cwolf20: Is it wrong that the song

"Denver, the last dinosaur. He's my friend and so much more"

popped into my head?


Denver, the Last Dinosaur! He's my friend and a whole lot more!
Denver, the Last Dinosaur! Shows me a world I never saw before!

From the hot hot jungle a long time ago
comes a cool cool friend, my pal dino!

Denver, the Last Dinosaur! Shows me a world I never saw before!

Everywhere we go, we don't really care
if people stop and stare at our pal dino!
From prehistory to the rock-n'-roll spotlight!
We've got a friend who helps us make it through all riiiiiiiight!

That's Denver, the Last Dinosaur! He's my friend and a whole lot more!
Denver, the Last Dinosaur! Shows me a world I never saaaaawwwwww befoooooooooooooooore!
 
2012-09-19 06:17:59 PM  

mybrowneggs.files.wordpress.com
Not da virgin!

 

/bad pun
//not obscure right?
///not obscure
 
2012-09-19 06:19:32 PM  

Mugato: But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?


god created the light in transit to fool us, or else the speed of light has changed over the years.


/this is what morons actually believe.
 
2012-09-19 06:19:56 PM  

Mugato: I can understand not believing in carbon dating. I had AP chemistry in high school and I don't farking understand it. Half Life is a video game as far as I'm concerned. But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?


God can't make stars that have been burning long enough to get light to us? Wow, I didn't know God was that limited. I thought He was like God or something.

j/k
 
2012-09-19 06:21:44 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: [mybrowneggs.files.wordpress.com image 235x274]
Not da virgin! 

/bad pun
//not obscure right?
///not obscure


Gotta love me.
 
2012-09-19 06:23:51 PM  
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