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2012-09-19 03:48:03 PM
Oh snap.
 
2012-09-19 03:52:34 PM
No, they are still around dictating our biological and internet policies. Some of them, however, have evolved into birds, particularly of the war hawk variety.
 
2012-09-19 03:53:37 PM
These people are leagally retarded and vote.
there should be a law against them being allowed to vote, breed, own guns, drive cars.
Let's get on that.
 
2012-09-19 04:07:57 PM
No, it was earlier this year.

ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 04:16:05 PM
So Jesus rode a trilobite?
 
2012-09-19 04:17:53 PM
Awesome.
 
2012-09-19 04:18:12 PM
Hopefully the next episode of "Boardwalk Empire" will show Nucky using Velociraptors to guard his liquor warehouses.
 
2012-09-19 04:19:41 PM
OK, I hate to stick up for creationists here, but this isn't what they believe at all. What this thing does is take the scientific theory of the timeline and processes of the creation of the earth through the present--a theory that the creationists reject--and overlay it against their "the earth is 6000 years old" nonsense.

Yes, if someone believed that the geologic events and timeline of the earth played out exactly as scientists say it did, but their only disagreement was that it occurred over the course of only 6000 years rather than over the course of the 4.5 billion years as scientists say it took, then they would believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th Century. Which would be interesting, if there was anybody who believed that, but there isn't.

Creationists believe enough wacky stuff without misstating their beliefs. Stop it.
 
2012-09-19 04:22:01 PM
I understand the point that compressing actual geologic time into a 6000 year chronology results in obvious counter-factuals, but I don't really care for this technique. The creationists think that the geologic column was laid down over the course of a year, and they don't believe that stratigraphy is correlated with age at all. Creationists don't attempt to cram real geological history into a short time frame; they simply make up a whole new imaginary geological history instead.

Anti-evolutionists believe incredibly stupid, self-evidently and obviously false things; there is no need to distort what they believe in order to mock them. Telling the truth about what they believe is sufficient.
 
2012-09-19 04:23:32 PM

Cyberluddite: OK, I hate to stick up for creationists here, but this isn't what they believe at all. What this thing does is take the scientific theory of the timeline and processes of the creation of the earth through the present--a theory that the creationists reject--and overlay it against their "the earth is 6000 years old" nonsense.

Yes, if someone believed that the geologic events and timeline of the earth played out exactly as scientists say it did, but their only disagreement was that it occurred over the course of only 6000 years rather than over the course of the 4.5 billion years as scientists say it took, then they would believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th Century. Which would be interesting, if there was anybody who believed that, but there isn't.

Creationists believe enough wacky stuff without misstating their beliefs. Stop it.


Thank you, I was trying to say the same thing, but you said it better.
 
2012-09-19 04:25:34 PM

FloydA: I understand the point that compressing actual geologic time into a 6000 year chronology results in obvious counter-factuals, but I don't really care for this technique. The creationists think that the geologic column was laid down over the course of a year, and they don't believe that stratigraphy is correlated with age at all. Creationists don't attempt to cram real geological history into a short time frame; they simply make up a whole new imaginary geological history instead.

Anti-evolutionists believe incredibly stupid, self-evidently and obviously false things; there is no need to distort what they believe in order to mock them. Telling the truth about what they believe is sufficient.


Spoilsport. This makes us laugh at them even more.
 
2012-09-19 04:30:53 PM
Actually, the last Dinah Saur lived right here... on No Bikini Atoll
beanyandcecil.com
 
2012-09-19 04:36:07 PM
You really ought not make fun of the mentally handicapped.
 
CDP [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 04:38:33 PM
the coelacanth. In 1938 this one-and-a-half-metre-long (five-foot) fish was caught in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa. From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct for about the same time period as the dinosaurs, but it was actually quite well known to the Madagascan fishermen, who had been catching it for centuries.

Very recently, a live tree was discovered, in an Australian wilderness, which was previously unknown except for its 'dinosaur age' fossils.4 Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators, but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

The puzzle is solved, however, when the millions of years are seen as fiction, and the fossils are seen largely as the result of the global Flood described in the Bible. Although many creatures have become extinct in the thousands of years since the Flood, it is far less surprising for creationists than evolutionists when some of them, known only from the fossil record, turn up alive and well.

Link

i132.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-19 04:39:58 PM
Why do people keep saying dinosaurs are extinct?

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-09-19 04:40:22 PM
Wrong. They were still around in 1958.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-19 04:43:05 PM
i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-19 04:44:52 PM
Dinosaurs never existed, it's all a hoax put together by greedy scientist to steel grant money away from curing polio
 
2012-09-19 04:45:12 PM

icallhimgamblor: Wrong. They were still around in 1958.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 295x422]


Jesus farking tapdancing christ I remember that book... That cover no less.

/to Amazon!
 
2012-09-19 04:47:03 PM
Well that was a stupid article.
 
2012-09-19 04:48:15 PM
Is it wrong that the song

"Denver, the last dinosaur. He's my friend and so much more"

popped into my head?
 
2012-09-19 04:48:17 PM

Cyberluddite: OK, I hate to stick up for creationists here, but this isn't what they believe at all. What this thing does is take the scientific theory of the timeline and processes of the creation of the earth through the present--a theory that the creationists reject--and overlay it against their "the earth is 6000 years old" nonsense.

Yes, if someone believed that the geologic events and timeline of the earth played out exactly as scientists say it did, but their only disagreement was that it occurred over the course of only 6000 years rather than over the course of the 4.5 billion years as scientists say it took, then they would believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th Century. Which would be interesting, if there was anybody who believed that, but there isn't.

Creationists believe enough wacky stuff without misstating their beliefs. Stop it.


I wonder why the article isn't credited to any one person... just says popsci staff. Probably was just meant to flame.
 
2012-09-19 04:48:38 PM

FloydA: I understand the point that compressing actual geologic time into a 6000 year chronology results in obvious counter-factuals, but I don't really care for this technique. The creationists think


Hold on a sec, I think I see your mistake.
 
2012-09-19 04:49:08 PM
Hopefully any uproar about this article is based in people's inherent desire to bash creationists, and not any credit to the author of this sensational nonsense itself.
 
2012-09-19 04:51:43 PM

NallTWD: icallhimgamblor: Wrong. They were still around in 1958.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 295x422]

Jesus farking tapdancing christ I remember that book... That cover no less.

/to Amazon!


Same here! That and The Fire Cat are the first books I clearly remember reading on my own. Took Danny and the Dinosaur EVERYWHERE.
 
2012-09-19 04:52:20 PM
Those are infographics like "Anal Sluts" is a sex-ed film.
 
2012-09-19 04:52:57 PM

FloydA: I understand the point that compressing actual geologic time into a 6000 year chronology results in obvious counter-factuals, but I don't really care for this technique. The creationists think that the geologic column was laid down over the course of a year, and they don't believe that stratigraphy is correlated with age at all. Creationists don't attempt to cram real geological history into a short time frame; they simply make up a whole new imaginary geological history instead.

Anti-evolutionists believe incredibly stupid, self-evidently and obviously false things; there is no need to distort what they believe in order to mock them. Telling the truth about what they believe is sufficient.



Ok, so when do they think dinosaurs existed, and when did they go extinct?
 
While I think the infographic is fun, I'm willing to hear what they really think.  So serious question, not snark.
 
2012-09-19 04:52:59 PM

vudukungfu: These people are leagally retarded and vote.
there should be a law against them being allowed to vote, breed, own guns, drive cars.
Let's get on that.


Your proclamation would carry a bit more weight, had you not misspelled legally.

Or are we to assume you are also not fit for voting?
 
2012-09-19 04:53:16 PM
Sorry no. I'm as stalwart a defender of evolution science as you will ever meet.

You can't create a chart yourself to mock creationists. That's as bad as the creationists making things up about what evolutionists say and then attacking that nice straw man. Was that chart actually made by a creationist? If not then stop it.
 
2012-09-19 04:53:40 PM
This is all hilarious right up until the moment you realize that home-schooled kids are being dosed up with a 4000 year old world as literal truth right this very minute in the living rooms of quite a few religious households. You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity. I feel bad for these kids; critical thinking will rescue to many of them far too late.
 
2012-09-19 04:54:01 PM

FloydA: I understand the point that compressing actual geologic time into a 6000 year chronology results in obvious counter-factuals, but I don't really care for this technique. The creationists think that the geologic column was laid down over the course of a year, and they don't believe that stratigraphy is correlated with age at all. Creationists don't attempt to cram real geological history into a short time frame; they simply make up a whole new imaginary geological history instead.

Anti-evolutionists believe incredibly stupid, self-evidently and obviously false things; there is no need to distort what they believe in order to mock them. Telling the truth about what they believe is sufficient.


There may be no need for it, but it's fun. This is a clever chart made to entertain, not to distort anything. Lighten up.

You're acting like there can be a reasonable debate, and perhaps some mutual understanding, arguing two opposing viewpoints. The fact is, thinking the entire geologic record was laid down in a few years or a few days or whatever is crazypants. It is an argument derived backwards from a conclusion made by illiterate shepherds back in the Bronze Age. There can be no debate with people who insist on interpreting facts so that they support such a ridiculous conclusion; any more than you can argue reasonably with someone who believes reality is a time cube or that the earth is a disc on the back of a cosmic turtle.

Derision and ridicule is the only way to respond to nonsense. I think this chart fits that method nicely.
 
2012-09-19 04:54:02 PM
i.imgur.com

R.I.P. SLEESTAKS
 
2012-09-19 04:54:14 PM

vpb: So Jesus rode a trilobite?


Possibly, although Jerusalem might have been underwater at that time. That might present a problem.
 
2012-09-19 04:54:22 PM

icallhimgamblor: Wrong. They were still around in 1958.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 295x422]


I have it on good authority that the last known dinosaur was a contemporary of those of us around in the late-80's. 

imthatold.com

/"He's our friend and a whole lot more!"
//Always seems like an odd line
 
2012-09-19 04:54:40 PM

NallTWD: Jesus farking tapdancing christ I remember that book... That cover no less.


You can get it as an audiobook from Audible for 99 cents. I have it.
 
2012-09-19 04:54:58 PM
Insane people are insane.
 
2012-09-19 04:55:02 PM
What about Ogo Pogo?
 
2012-09-19 04:55:23 PM

cwolf20: Is it wrong that the song

"Denver, the last dinosaur. He's my friend and so much more"

popped into my head?


Dammit, spent too long fighting with a different image.
 
2012-09-19 04:56:12 PM
th77.photobucket.com

"Father,forgive them,for they know not what they do."
 
2012-09-19 04:57:21 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: This is all hilarious right up until the moment you realize that home-schooled kids are being dosed up with a 4000 year old world as literal truth right this very minute in the living rooms of quite a few religious households. You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity. I feel bad for these kids; critical thinking will rescue to many of them far too late.


4000? That's just silly! How can it be the year 5773 on the Jewish calendar if the world is only 4000 years old?
 
2012-09-19 04:57:39 PM
He didn't "die", he was MURDERED!
 
2012-09-19 04:57:48 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: This is all hilarious right up until the moment you realize that home-schooled kids are being dosed up with a 4000 year old world as literal truth right this very minute in the living rooms of quite a few religious households. You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity. I feel bad for these kids; critical thinking will rescue to many of them far too late.


That was all hilarious right up until the moment I realized that a fraction of a fraction of 1% of the creationists I know lend themselves to this feeble attempt to bash them without citation. Shooting at an easy target is not impressive.
 
2012-09-19 04:58:00 PM

downstairs: Ok, so when do they think dinosaurs existed, and when did they go extinct?
 
While I think the infographic is fun, I'm willing to hear what they really think.  So serious question, not snark.


My understanding is that they think dinosaurs made it on to Noah's Ark, but went extinct at some point after that. So figure 4,500 years ago; give or take.

I don't know their explanation for what killed the dinosaurs however. That I would like to know.
 
2012-09-19 04:58:03 PM
I love that even Dr Pepper is trolling these people.

timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com

Creationists Boycott Dr. Pepper over "Evolution of Flavor" Facebook Ad

Surprised this hasn't made a Fark headline yet.
 
2012-09-19 04:58:24 PM
I remember growing up hearing old accounts of my Swedish ancestors establishing themselves as farmers in Kansas...and fighting the T-Rex. My poor great-great-great-great granddad got eaten by one. But if you were lucky enough to kill one instead...good eats. That's what I hear anyway.
 
2012-09-19 04:59:00 PM
Just dropped in to post the obligatory chicken photo (it's a Portland thing); seen it was already done. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-09-19 05:00:51 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Well that was a stupid article.


Fascinatingly, this purposely inflammatory article about creationism has resulted in consummate internet agreement that this article is, in fact, stupid as fark.

It's like a Chinese Puzzle Box of internet culture. In trying to generate argument about a touchy subject, Pop Sci (of all publications) have managed only to unite the very people they wanted at each other's throats.

img542.imageshack.us

/This is my THESIS, man!
 
2012-09-19 05:00:55 PM
NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD
 
2012-09-19 05:01:20 PM

fusillade762: I love that even Dr Pepper is trolling these people.

[timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com image 600x400]

Creationists Boycott Dr. Pepper over "Evolution of Flavor" Facebook Ad

Surprised this hasn't made a Fark headline yet.


It did. Link
 
2012-09-19 05:01:33 PM
Honestly -- if you were trying to create comically wacky out-of-touch characters for a movie, I don't think you could do any better.
 
2012-09-19 05:01:37 PM

CDP: the coelacanth. In 1938 this one-and-a-half-metre-long (five-foot) fish was caught in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa. From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct for about the same time period as the dinosaurs, but it was actually quite well known to the Madagascan fishermen, who had been catching it for centuries.

Very recently, a live tree was discovered, in an Australian wilderness, which was previously unknown except for its 'dinosaur age' fossils.4 Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators, but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

The puzzle is solved, however, when the millions of years are seen as fiction, and the fossils are seen largely as the result of the global Flood described in the Bible. Although many creatures have become extinct in the thousands of years since the Flood, it is far less surprising for creationists than evolutionists when some of them, known only from the fossil record, turn up alive and well.


Link

[i132.photobucket.com image 309x360]


And a guy built a big boat, put two of every species on earth in it, and survived this great flood only to re-populate the planet.

Yea.

And some people think what Scientologists believe is crazy.
 
2012-09-19 05:02:39 PM

YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD



Yet.


Wait 'til the fundies read it.
 
2012-09-19 05:03:01 PM

CDP: the coelacanth. In 1938 this one-and-a-half-metre-long (five-foot) fish was caught in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa. From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct for about the same time period as the dinosaurs, but it was actually quite well known to the Madagascan fishermen, who had been catching it for centuries.

Very recently, a live tree was discovered, in an Australian wilderness, which was previously unknown except for its 'dinosaur age' fossils.4 Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators, but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

The puzzle is solved, however, when the millions of years are seen as fiction, and the fossils are seen largely as the result of the global Flood described in the Bible. Although many creatures have become extinct in the thousands of years since the Flood, it is far less surprising for creationists than evolutionists when some of them, known only from the fossil record, turn up alive and well.

Link

[i132.photobucket.com image 309x360]


And a guy built a big boat, put two of every species on earth in it, and survived this great flood only to re-populate the planet.

Yea.

And some people think what Scientologists believe is crazy.
 
2012-09-19 05:04:04 PM

YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD


yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.
 
2012-09-19 05:04:55 PM

gilgigamesh:

There may be no need for it, but it's fun. This is a clever chart made to entertain, not to distort anything. Lighten up.

You're acting like there can be a reasonable debate, and perhaps some mutual understanding, arguing two opposing viewpoints. The fact is, thinking the entire geologic record was laid down in a few years or a few days or whatever is crazypants. It is an argument derived backwards from a conclusion made by illiterate shepherds back in the Bronze Age. There can be no debate with people who insist on interpreting facts so that they support such a ridiculous conclusion; any more than you can argue reasonably with someone who believes reality is a time cube or that the earth is a disc on the back of a cosmic turtle.

Derision and ridicule is the only way to respond to nonsense. I think this chart fits that method nicely.



I agree, derision and ridicule are the only appropriate responses. My point is that the creationists can point to this and say we are misrepresenting their beliefs. We should mock, deride, and ridicule the nonsensical things they actually do believe. There is simply no need to make up ridiculous things to mock them for; we can mock them for what they really do think.

Yeah, maybe I should lighten up.
 
2012-09-19 05:05:00 PM

skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.


You misspelled "Acura".
 
mjg
2012-09-19 05:05:26 PM
www.allmystery.de

Graphic in TFA reminded me of this
 
2012-09-19 05:07:34 PM

BeesNuts: skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.

You misspelled "Acura".


teehee

Zoroastrians worship a crappy import
 
2012-09-19 05:08:11 PM

mjg: [www.allmystery.de image 300x235]

Graphic in TFA reminded me of this


I see you went to BU
 
2012-09-19 05:08:19 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-19 05:08:24 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Ogopogo
 
2012-09-19 05:09:10 PM

cwolf20: Is it wrong that the song

"Denver, the last dinosaur. He's my friend and so much more"

popped into my head?



That show sucked donkey balls.
 
2012-09-19 05:09:17 PM

Makh: No, they are still around dictating our biological and internet policies. Some of them, however, have evolved into birds, particularly of the chickenhawk variety.


FTFY
 
2012-09-19 05:10:28 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity


Or that their votes will determine what our children and grandchildren will be taught.

But hey, freedom of religion, right?
 
2012-09-19 05:10:31 PM

Banned on the Run: Honestly -- if you were trying to create comically wacky out-of-touch characters for a movie, I don't think you could do any better.


Let's leave the candidates for President on the politics tab.
 
2012-09-19 05:10:31 PM
Dinosaurs are a myth. Like gravity, or the Sun.
 
2012-09-19 05:11:25 PM

YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD


I was wondering what would happen if someone did a "Muhammad raptor" instead of a "Jesus raptor".
 
2012-09-19 05:11:39 PM

FloydA: I agree, derision and ridicule are the only appropriate responses. My point is that the creationists can point to this and say we are misrepresenting their beliefs. We should mock, deride, and ridicule the nonsensical things they actually do believe. There is simply no need to make up ridiculous things to mock them for; we can mock them for what they really do think.


I don't know that the chart was intended as a literal representation of what creationists believe. I think it was a representation of how the history of the earth would look if you crammed it into the 6,000 year timeline creationists believe.

Carl Sagan used to do something similar on Cosmos to represent the age of the universe if it was compressed into the span of a year. Most of the year nothing happened, and the last few seconds before midnight on New Years Eve represented all of human history. That's what I got out of this chart.
 
2012-09-19 05:11:51 PM
Dinosaurs walk the earth today. These are the people who still use paper for their information.
 
2012-09-19 05:12:33 PM
I know the educationalists beliefs were misrepresented or whatever, but this is still obligatory:
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-19 05:12:34 PM

downstairs:


Ok, so when do they think dinosaurs existed, and when did they go extinct?
 
While I think the infographic is fun, I'm willing to hear what they really think.  So serious question, not snark.


That's a tricky question; they tend to be of multiple opinions. Some cite the Loch Ness Monster and the Mokèlé-mbèmbé legend of the Congo river and claim that the sauropods still exist today, they're just hiding, like Bigfoot.

Others claim that they were on Noah's Ark, and somehow the raptors were prevented from eating either of the two cows, pigs, sheep, etc. but they went extinct for no good reason at all as soon as the ark landed.

Still others claim that they were extinct before the creation of humans described in Genesis.

Still others believe that all the fossils were put in the ground by the devil to trick us.

Still others believe that the fossils were put in the ground by God because, for whatever inscrutable reason, God wanted the 6000 year old earth to look a lot older than it was.

In short, they believe all types of crazy crap. We don't need to make up things to mock them for.
 
2012-09-19 05:13:32 PM

Cyberluddite: OK, I hate to stick up for creationists here, but this isn't what they believe at all. What this thing does is take the scientific theory of the timeline and processes of the creation of the earth through the present--a theory that the creationists reject--and overlay it against their "the earth is 6000 years old" nonsense.

Yes, if someone believed that the geologic events and timeline of the earth played out exactly as scientists say it did, but their only disagreement was that it occurred over the course of only 6000 years rather than over the course of the 4.5 billion years as scientists say it took, then they would believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th Century. Which would be interesting, if there was anybody who believed that, but there isn't.

Creationists believe enough wacky stuff without misstating their beliefs. Stop it.


This.
 
2012-09-19 05:14:44 PM

gilgigamesh: Derision and ridicule is the only way to respond to nonsense. I think this chart fits that method nicely.


The problem is when the reaction they get is derision and ridicule and they keep their cool and continue with their subtly worded and well-sounding but bad science, they look like the good guys.

That's sort of the whole strategy. Don't mischaracterize and don't shoot from the hip. If you critique a creationist statement be clear, polite, and be correct.
 
2012-09-19 05:15:14 PM
Prohibition killed the dinosaurs.
 
2012-09-19 05:16:05 PM

dpzum1: CDP: the coelacanth. In 1938 this one-and-a-half-metre-long (five-foot) fish was caught in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa. From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct for about the same time period as the dinosaurs, but it was actually quite well known to the Madagascan fishermen, who had been catching it for centuries.

Very recently, a live tree was discovered, in an Australian wilderness, which was previously unknown except for its 'dinosaur age' fossils.4 Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators, but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

The puzzle is solved, however, when the millions of years are seen as fiction, and the fossils are seen largely as the result of the global Flood described in the Bible. Although many creatures have become extinct in the thousands of years since the Flood, it is far less surprising for creationists than evolutionists when some of them, known only from the fossil record, turn up alive and well.


Link

[i132.photobucket.com image 309x360]

And a guy built a big boat, put two of every species on earth in it, and survived this great flood only to re-populate the planet.

Yea.

And some people think what Scientologists believe is crazy.


Not only a large wooden boat, but one with an 18" ventilation window - for the whole thing... Also where did all the freshwater fish survive - in the on ark aquariums that jeebus never wrote about?

Scientolody = Cult of Xtianity = Cult of Judaism

/ All religion is farked.
 
2012-09-19 05:16:28 PM

gilgigamesh: Derision and ridicule is the only way to respond to nonsense


I disagree. Derision and ridicule are tools for dehumanizing people in order to escape the pangs of conscience that would otherwise occur when they are abused.
 
2012-09-19 05:16:39 PM
www.chartgeek.com 

I NEED this as a poster.
 
2012-09-19 05:16:50 PM

FloydA: downstairs:

In short, they believe all types of crazy crap. We don't need to make up things to mock them for.


If a creationist pointed to this chart and said, "We don't believe dinosaurs went extinct in 1927. That's crazy, and you are misrepresenting my belief that God put dinosaur bones in the ground to trick us", well...

I don't know how I'd respond to that.
 
2012-09-19 05:17:40 PM

donttalktochris: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: This is all hilarious right up until the moment you realize that home-schooled kids are being dosed up with a 4000 year old world as literal truth right this very minute in the living rooms of quite a few religious households. You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity. I feel bad for these kids; critical thinking will rescue to many of them far too late.

That was all hilarious right up until the moment I realized that a fraction of a fraction of 1% of the creationists I know lend themselves to this feeble attempt to bash them without citation. Shooting at an easy target is not impressive.


I know the contents of the article assume a correlation of eras to timeframe that is essentially a straw man argument-what is authentic is the central tennant of the world as new-i'm referring to people who believe in the concept of a world that is only 4-6000 years old, enough people to keep a fully-staffed museum running that champions said belief. And I can certainly worry about the fate of people whose religious convictions are completely irreconcillable with vast swathes of geology, biology and physics. It's more than just looking eccentric at cocktail parties; a big part of the real world just isn't there for them.
 
2012-09-19 05:18:55 PM

FloydA: downstairs:


Ok, so when do they think dinosaurs existed, and when did they go extinct?
 
While I think the infographic is fun, I'm willing to hear what they really think.  So serious question, not snark.

That's a tricky question; they tend to be of multiple opinions. Some cite the Loch Ness Monster and the Mokèlé-mbèmbé legend of the Congo river and claim that the sauropods still exist today, they're just hiding, like Bigfoot.

Others claim that they were on Noah's Ark, and somehow the raptors were prevented from eating either of the two cows, pigs, sheep, etc. but they went extinct for no good reason at all as soon as the ark landed.

Still others claim that they were extinct before the creation of humans described in Genesis.

Still others believe that all the fossils were put in the ground by the devil to trick us.

Still others believe that the fossils were put in the ground by God because, for whatever inscrutable reason, God wanted the 6000 year old earth to look a lot older than it was.

In short, they believe all types of crazy crap. We don't need to make up things to mock them for.


But most people beleive that they ate too many donuts and just...
BURST!
 
2012-09-19 05:19:58 PM

CDP: Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators,


Because they've evolved to a point where only minimal adjustments are needed to deal with change. The sharks are one example.

but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

Most animals don't become fossilized.

The problem with creationists is that the things they say is so nuts that I have trouble telling whether they're joking or not. Poe's law.
 
2012-09-19 05:20:59 PM
Really? Here's a timeline created by and believed by no creationist, let's laugh at the creationists for it? Somebody is bored out of their frikin mind.
 
2012-09-19 05:21:41 PM
So, the Flintstones was a documentary, am I reading this right?
 
2012-09-19 05:21:46 PM

gilgigamesh:

I don't know that the chart was intended as a literal representation of what creationists believe. I think it was a representation of how the history of the earth would look if you crammed it into the 6,000 year timeline creationists believe.


Yeah, and it does that successfully. If Pop-Sci had been more eloquent about their presentation and explained that point, the article could have worked.


Carl Sagan used to do something similar on Cosmos to represent the age of the universe if it was compressed into the span of a year. Most of the year nothing happened, and the last few seconds before midnight on New Years Eve represented all of human history. That's what I got out of this chart.

I do something similar with hominin history in the intro. It can be an effective technique. I just don't think Pop-Sci pulled it off effectively. If they had been more explicit about what the image was actually doing, this could have been a better article.



(Besides, I tend to cut Ussher a lot of slack. He was wrong, but he at least did the best he could with the evidence available to him at the time. People who still believe in a 6000 year old earth are idiots, but Ussher himself was using all of the evidence at his disposal to try to answer an important question. Today, we have much better evidence, but we can't really fault Ussher for publishing in the 17th century.)
 
2012-09-19 05:22:20 PM

Elzar: Not only a large wooden boat, but one with an 18" ventilation window - for the whole thing... Also where did all the freshwater fish survive - in the on ark aquariums that jeebus never wrote about?


Which raises the question of how the freshwater fish got to the ark in the first place...
 
2012-09-19 05:22:55 PM
Well then what about the farking stars, motherfarkers? Those bits of light that took millions of years to reach us? You should hear the answers for that given by my fundamentalist friends.

/yes, have fundamentalist friends
//we mostly talk about movies and shiat to avoid conflict
 
2012-09-19 05:22:59 PM

YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD


Yet.
 
2012-09-19 05:23:10 PM

Cyberluddite: OK, I hate to stick up for creationists here, but this isn't what they believe at all. What this thing does is take the scientific theory of the timeline and processes of the creation of the earth through the present--a theory that the creationists reject--and overlay it against their "the earth is 6000 years old" nonsense.

Yes, if someone believed that the geologic events and timeline of the earth played out exactly as scientists say it did, but their only disagreement was that it occurred over the course of only 6000 years rather than over the course of the 4.5 billion years as scientists say it took, then they would believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th Century. Which would be interesting, if there was anybody who believed that, but there isn't.

Creationists believe enough wacky stuff without misstating their beliefs. Stop it.


I came in here to say basically this, but as usual I'm late and someone said it better than I would have.
 
2012-09-19 05:23:16 PM

icallhimgamblor: Wrong. They were still around in 1958.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 295x422]


the sad thing is libraries always file this under fiction for some reason ... dunno why.
 
2012-09-19 05:23:23 PM
 
2012-09-19 05:23:41 PM
OK that is amusing but misleading. Creationists are stupid but not stupid enough to believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th century.
 
2012-09-19 05:24:40 PM

Pro Zack: gilgigamesh: Derision and ridicule is the only way to respond to nonsense

I disagree. Derision and ridicule are tools for dehumanizing people in order to escape the pangs of conscience that would otherwise occur when they are abused.


If someone chooses to be ignorant of an obvious fact staring him in the face, how would you suggest you rationalize with him or her?

That's what this amounts to. Creationists have arrived at an unsupportable conclusion because of faith in Bronze Age fables, and they use that conclusion to construct their own reality. In other circumstances this would be diagnosed as delusional psychosis and treated with medication or perhaps therapy.

I would be happy to suggest that as an alternative, except they would probably see that as ridicule or persecution as well.
 
2012-09-19 05:26:08 PM

gilgigamesh:

If a creationist pointed to this chart and said, "We don't believe dinosaurs went extinct in 1927. That's crazy, and you are misrepresenting my belief that God put dinosaur bones in the ground to trick us", well...

I don't know how I'd respond to that.


Yeah, that's a tough one.


highendmighty:

But most people beleive that they ate too many donuts and just...
BURST!


That's what people say, but I know the real truth!

i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-19 05:26:18 PM

Uncle Tractor: Elzar: Not only a large wooden boat, but one with an 18" ventilation window - for the whole thing... Also where did all the freshwater fish survive - in the on ark aquariums that jeebus never wrote about?

Which raises the question of how the freshwater fish got to the ark in the first place...


You guys are missing the whole point that Jeebus and his Pops is magic, so he could do anything he wanted...

which begs the question...then why did he need some bronze age farmer to build him an ark?
 
2012-09-19 05:26:45 PM
LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.
 
2012-09-19 05:27:11 PM
Being too stupid to build an asteroid defense system killed the dinosaurs.

History has a way of repeating itself for those who don't learn from it.

Also, history has a way of repeating itself for those who don't learn from it.

Furthermore, history has a way of repeating itself for those who don't learn from it.

Solution: Build said defense system and terraform other planets.

Wait, what was the article about again?
 
2012-09-19 05:27:46 PM
This is funny because the "young earth" hypothesis was proposed by a medieval Catholic priest.
The hypothesis was picked up by Protestants in the early 20th C.
The Catholic Church doesn't use it, but accepts the approx 13 billion year old earth.
Young Earth Creationists are Derp.

as well as runing with "in God we trust" and "God" in the pledge, from back in the prehistory of 1965
 
2012-09-19 05:28:20 PM

FloydA: Yeah, and it does that successfully. If Pop-Sci had been more eloquent about their presentation and explained that point, the article could have worked.


I agree with you there. I assume that was their intent as opposed to intentional misrepresentation, but the fact that you and others didn't see it that way is proof positive that they could have made that clearer.
 
2012-09-19 05:31:12 PM

Man On Pink Corner: But hey, freedom of religion, right?


That only applies to adults. Children have no such freedom.
 
2012-09-19 05:31:37 PM

vegasj: LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.


Wait six hundred years? That can't be right. There are trees still alive today that are older than that. Hell, there are cathedrals in the UK much older than that. Stonehenge would be about 8 times older than the earth.
 
2012-09-19 05:32:07 PM
Yeah well we should still teach the controversy nontroversy.
 
2012-09-19 05:32:35 PM

gilgigamesh:

If someone chooses to be ignorant of an obvious fact staring him in the face, how would you suggest you rationalize with him or her?

That's what this amounts to. Creationists have arrived at an unsupportable conclusion because of faith in Bronze Age fables, and they use that conclusion to construct their own reality. In other circumstances this would be diagnosed as delusional psychosis and treated with medication or perhaps therapy.

I would be happy to suggest that as an alternative, except they would probably see that as ridicule or persecution as well.


I would suggest that you don't try. it is a pointless exercise.

Since these beliefs don't affect their quality of life, and do not cause them any suffering they would likely not be diagnosed as delusional psychosis.
 
2012-09-19 05:34:50 PM

Apos: [th77.photobucket.com image 160x158]

"Father,forgive them,for they know not what they do are a buncha farking tards."


FIFY
 
2012-09-19 05:36:10 PM
The last dinosaur hasn't died yet. I hear them singing outside my window every morning.
 
2012-09-19 05:36:59 PM

Pro Zack:
Since these beliefs don't affect their quality of life, and do not cause them any suffering they would likely not be diagnosed as delusional psychosis.


Meh. Lots of people are ill but functional. I'm pretty sure most doctors would consider me to be a functional alcoholic. They wouldn't medicate or hospitalize me, but they would probably recommend I quit drinking so much or maybe suggest therapy.
 
2012-09-19 05:37:45 PM

NallTWD: icallhimgamblor: Wrong. They were still around in 1958.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 295x422]

Jesus farking tapdancing christ I remember that book... That cover no less.

/to Amazon!


I had an entire bookshelf full of "I can read books." And yes, i remember that exact book myself. I wish I still ahd mine so that I could give them to my granddaughter now. I may have to invest in some again. Oh, and I also had the Art Linkletter encyclopedia's as well. They were great things for a young and growing mind.
 
2012-09-19 05:37:56 PM

Mr_Fabulous: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

Yet.


don't look at me, i'm too busy boycottn chicken

wait a minute chickens are dinosarus?! we have come full circle
 
2012-09-19 05:38:40 PM

gilgigamesh: vegasj: LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.

Wait six hundred years? That can't be right. There are trees still alive today that are older than that. Hell, there are cathedrals in the UK much older than that. Stonehenge would be about 8 times older than the earth.


For that matter, Jesus would have died 1400 years before the earth was created.

Internally inconsistent delusions. Now *that* is a person with issues.
 
2012-09-19 05:38:54 PM

Leo Bloom's Freakout: icallhimgamblor: Wrong. They were still around in 1958.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 295x422]

I have it on good authority that the last known dinosaur was a contemporary of those of us around in the late-80's. 

[imthatold.com image 533x400]

/"He's our friend and a whole lot more!"
//Always seems like an odd line


Now that theme song is in my head. I hate you.
 
2012-09-19 05:39:26 PM

gilgigamesh: Pro Zack:
Since these beliefs don't affect their quality of life, and do not cause them any suffering they would likely not be diagnosed as delusional psychosis.

Meh. Lots of people are ill but functional. I'm pretty sure most doctors would consider me to be a functional alcoholic. They wouldn't medicate or hospitalize me, but they would probably recommend I quit drinking so much or maybe suggest therapy.



i105.photobucket.com
You like drinking too? Dude, we should hang out
 
2012-09-19 05:41:49 PM

offmymeds: fusillade762: I love that even Dr Pepper is trolling these people.

[timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com image 600x400]

Creationists Boycott Dr. Pepper over "Evolution of Flavor" Facebook Ad

Surprised this hasn't made a Fark headline yet.

It did. Link


Cool, thanks! I would have been sad to miss that one.
 
2012-09-19 05:41:55 PM

Mugato: Well then what about the farking stars, motherfarkers? Those bits of light that took millions of years to reach us? You should hear the answers for that given by my fundamentalist friends.

/yes, have fundamentalist friends
//we mostly talk about movies and shiat to avoid conflict


And add astronomy as another branch of science that creationists have to slam thier eyes shut against.
 
2012-09-19 05:42:45 PM

WolfinPDX: Just dropped in to post the obligatory chicken photo (it's a Portland thing); seen it was already done. Leaving satisfied.


It is? I live in Portland and I don't get it...
 
2012-09-19 05:43:15 PM

Amos Quito: He didn't "die", he was MURDERED!


He was legally executed by the legal government, and even the bible says to respect governmental authority, as people in power were put there by god.

0/10
 
2012-09-19 05:46:37 PM

Cyberluddite: OK, I hate to stick up for creationists here, but this isn't what they believe at all. What this thing does is take the scientific theory of the timeline and processes of the creation of the earth through the present--a theory that the creationists reject--and overlay it against their "the earth is 6000 years old" nonsense.

Yes, if someone believed that the geologic events and timeline of the earth played out exactly as scientists say it did, but their only disagreement was that it occurred over the course of only 6000 years rather than over the course of the 4.5 billion years as scientists say it took, then they would believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th Century. Which would be interesting, if there was anybody who believed that, but there isn't.

Creationists believe enough wacky stuff without misstating their beliefs. Stop it.


Yes. It would be a shame to impugn their careful scientific theories
 
2012-09-19 05:48:21 PM

gilgigamesh: FloydA: downstairs:

In short, they believe all types of crazy crap. We don't need to make up things to mock them for.

If a creationist pointed to this chart and said, "We don't believe dinosaurs went extinct in 1927. That's crazy, and you are misrepresenting my belief that God put dinosaur bones in the ground to trick us", well...

I don't know how I'd respond to that.


That would, in essence, but the simplest, most sublimely beautiful moment in the world. I would highly encourage you in that instant to lean back, close your eyes, and think of England drink in the cascade of emotions as they grip you, and then let go. Maybe eat a sandwich afterwards.
 
2012-09-19 05:48:22 PM

CDP: the coelacanth. In 1938 this one-and-a-half-metre-long (five-foot) fish was caught in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa. From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct for about the same time period as the dinosaurs, but it was actually quite well known to the Madagascan fishermen, who had been catching it for centuries.

Very recently, a live tree was discovered, in an Australian wilderness, which was previously unknown except for its 'dinosaur age' fossils.4 Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators, but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

The puzzle is solved, however, when the millions of years are seen as fiction, and the fossils are seen largely as the result of the global Flood described in the Bible. Although many creatures have become extinct in the thousands of years since the Flood, it is far less surprising for creationists than evolutionists when some of them, known only from the fossil record, turn up alive and well.

Link


8/10

Nice

I expect you will get some bites
 
2012-09-19 05:50:33 PM

JesseL: Why do people keep saying dinosaurs are extinct?

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net


This--and that one is a very cute dinosaur. :D

Me, I've had a mess of these tiny little velociraptor-kin in my yard as of late:

upload.wikimedia.org

Cute as well, though not as much if you're trying to provide housing for more native and bluer-in-colour dinosaurs like this one:

upload.wikimedia.org

And thankfully not as loud (even in crowds) as these dinosaurs:

upload.wikimedia.org

(The guinea fowl, otherwise known as Nature's own burglar alarm and really surprisingly loud. Neighbours who used to raise Herefords used to have 'em to keep ticks down on the property, and they'd frequently end up in our yard :D)
 
2012-09-19 05:50:54 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: This is all hilarious right up until the moment you realize that home-schooled kids are being dosed up with a 4000 year old world as literal truth right this very minute in the living rooms of quite a few religious households. You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity. I feel bad for these kids; critical thinking will rescue to many of them far too late.


Nonsense. They will grow to be fine republican voters not realizing they are part of the 47%
 
2012-09-19 05:52:11 PM
Someone took a lot of time and effort to design something so unnecessarily insulting. If it accurately depicted what thumpers thought, that would be one thing.. But it doesn't.
 
2012-09-19 05:52:57 PM

gilgigamesh: vegasj: LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.

Wait six hundred years? That can't be right. There are trees still alive today that are older than that. Hell, there are cathedrals in the UK much older than that. Stonehenge would be about 8 times older than the earth.


How do YOU know? I bet you're not older than 60 and can't attest to anything older than that, not empirically. Someone TOLD you a tree was older then 600 years. Do you believe everything you're told?
 
2012-09-19 05:54:49 PM
RestinpeaceDinahShore.jpg

/Obscure???
 
2012-09-19 05:58:09 PM

Uncle Tractor: Elzar: Not only a large wooden boat, but one with an 18" ventilation window - for the whole thing... Also where did all the freshwater fish survive - in the on ark aquariums that jeebus never wrote about?

Which raises the question of how the freshwater fish got to the ark in the first place...


I actually had a debate once about this with an honest-to-God young-earth Creationist. His take was that salinity was uniform across the globe before the EVENT and that all fish survived in this hypo-salinity condition. Post-EVENT freshwater bodies that were created by the subsiding waters (filtered over hundreds of years of rain cycles), and salt-water bodies that took up the salty turbidity of the ocean floor caused some of the fish to "micro-evolve" into their current exclusively salt & fresh states. Some, like salmon, didn't need to. Yes, the macro-evolution vs. micro-evolution faction of young-earth Creationism is a weird and wonderful place.
 
2012-09-19 05:58:46 PM

Delawheredad: OK that is amusing but misleading. Creationists are stupid but not stupid enough to believe that dinosaurs lasted until the 20th century.


"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

When you're talking to someone who's below a certain threshold of cluelessness, you're just wasting your time if you're using logical facts and arguments. Pointing at them and laughing, taking pictures, and asking questions that start with "OMG - so let me get this straight..." are much more effective.

Creationists aren't afraid of your big brain and powerful logical arguments. What they're afraid of is that their 12 year old kid will start to view them as a laughing stock. Let's make that shiat happen.
 
2012-09-19 05:59:00 PM

fusillade762: WolfinPDX: Just dropped in to post the obligatory chicken photo (it's a Portland thing); seen it was already done. Leaving satisfied.

It is? I live in Portland and I don't get it...


Put a bird on it!
 
2012-09-19 05:59:47 PM
I got involved in that thread, to my regret. There was so much stupidity on display in the comments for a science-based website that it worried me.
 
2012-09-19 05:59:52 PM

Makh: No, they are still around dictating our biological and internet policies. Some of them, however, have evolved into birds, particularly of the war hawk variety.


We don't have to worry about species going extinct, because, at least I'm told by biology scientists, when a species is threatened- TRULY threatened- nature has a way of, you know, starting that whole thing back up again.
 
2012-09-19 06:01:04 PM

vegasj: LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.


Please tell me you dropped a zero there.
 
2012-09-19 06:01:08 PM

Amos Quito: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD


Yet.


Wait 'til the fundies read it.


And no ones translated the article to american english yet :)
 
2012-09-19 06:02:17 PM

Cyberluddite: OK, I hate to stick up for creationists here, but this isn't what they believe at all. What this thing does is take the scientific theory of the timeline and processes of the creation of the earth through the present--a theory that the creationists reject--and overlay it against their "the earth is 6000 years old" nonsense.


Yes. It's almost as though they're trying to be deliberately snarky.
 
2012-09-19 06:03:12 PM
Clearly some people don't grasp the concept of satire.
 
2012-09-19 06:03:51 PM
i628.photobucket.com

ooh (dinosaur) automobile
 
2012-09-19 06:04:06 PM
I want to see something that like this that Creationists believe and which yet invalidates their beliefs. Something like this: (forgive, I have no graphics skills)

Earth was created in 4004 BC according to Ussher's timeline. Using that same timeline, the Flood was about 1000 years later; ergo, the world was "re-created" (post Flood) in 3000 BC, or thereabouts.

Creationists have to believe in Moses and the Pharaoh, usually assumed to be Ramses the Great. Ramses II was the third pharaoh of the 19th Dynasty, which began (according to "scientific" belief) in 1298 BC with Ramses I. So the 19th Dynasty began 1700 years after the great Flood. So far so "good". Now, to be Pharaoh of Egypt, Ramses had to live after the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt, again, assumed by "scientists" to have occurred about...3000 BC.

Problem: For there to have been an upper and lower Egypt to unify, there must have been people living in both kingdoms BEFORE 3000 BC, which of course is not possible if everyone was wiped out in the Flood. Furthermore, the sons of Noah were the ones who did the actual repopulating, which would mean Ramses was himself a descendant of Noah.

Right?
 
2012-09-19 06:05:12 PM
Why hasn't this been posted yet? I am disappoint.

www.dailysquib.co.uk
 
2012-09-19 06:05:12 PM
in this thread we watch the butt hurt concern trolls troll the butt hurt loki trolls who are trolling the butt hurt derp trolls who are trolling the butt hurt concern trolls, all of which are members of the same Idiot Brigade

in a little play we call "dance puppets dance", where the hatetheists circle jerk while pulling the strings on the marionette

www.1a20.com 

and it never gets old, eva
 
2012-09-19 06:05:20 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Well that was a stupid article.


That's funny. I came in to say what about Abe Vigoda?
 
2012-09-19 06:05:48 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Well then what about the farking stars, motherfarkers? Those bits of light that took millions of years to reach us? You should hear the answers for that given by my fundamentalist friends.

/yes, have fundamentalist friends
//we mostly talk about movies and shiat to avoid conflict

And add astronomy as another branch of science that creationists have to slam thier eyes shut against.


I can understand not believing in carbon dating. I had AP chemistry in high school and I don't farking understand it. Half Life is a video game as far as I'm concerned. But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?
 
2012-09-19 06:10:16 PM
I hope people realize that this is just a joke made for the joking progression of reconciling geological history and the Earth being formed in 4000BC thing.

At least I hope it is.
 
2012-09-19 06:10:38 PM

Great Porn Dragon: JesseL: Why do people keep saying dinosaurs are extinct?

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x576]

This--and that one is a very cute dinosaur. :D

Me, I've had a mess of these tiny little velociraptor-kin in my yard as of late:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 571x480]

Cute as well, though not as much if you're trying to provide housing for more native and bluer-in-colour dinosaurs like this one:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 480x480]

And thankfully not as loud (even in crowds) as these dinosaurs:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 638x480]

(The guinea fowl, otherwise known as Nature's own burglar alarm and really surprisingly loud. Neighbours who used to raise Herefords used to have 'em to keep ticks down on the property, and they'd frequently end up in our yard :D)


We raised guineas along with chickens. Not only ticks, but the guineas were real good about getting rid of snakes. Of course if you had one of the 6ft or larger black "chicken" snakes that liked to steal eggs and kill chickens, they usually weren't a match, but the smaller snakes bit the dust.
 
2012-09-19 06:11:47 PM
(Genesis 6:19-20) - "And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive."

(Genesis 7:2-3) - "You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are
not clean two, a male and his female; also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth." 



It says "every living thing of all flesh" but then says "birds, animals, creeping things on the ground". The "all flesh" part I would think would include fish and birds and insects, but the second part makes it not quite as clear. It names 3 creatures (birds, animals, creeping things). God must not consider birds to be animals, and animals aren't creepy things. So, we have birds and insects covered. Now, does "animals" include fish? I see no reason to think not, well except the fact the whole thing is a bunch of BS. =)

Also, as for how Noah got all the animals, it says "two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive." He doesn't go get them, they come to him.
 
2012-09-19 06:12:35 PM

Great Porn Dragon: JesseL: Why do people keep saying dinosaurs are extinct?

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x576]

This--and that one is a very cute dinosaur. :D

Me, I've had a mess of these tiny little velociraptor-kin in my yard as of late:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 571x480]

Cute as well, though not as much if you're trying to provide housing for more native and bluer-in-colour dinosaurs like this one:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 480x480]

And thankfully not as loud (even in crowds) as these dinosaurs:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 638x480]

(The guinea fowl, otherwise known as Nature's own burglar alarm and really surprisingly loud. Neighbours who used to raise Herefords used to have 'em to keep ticks down on the property, and they'd frequently end up in our yard :D)


slacktory.com
 
2012-09-19 06:12:43 PM

Mugato: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Well then what about the farking stars, motherfarkers? Those bits of light that took millions of years to reach us? You should hear the answers for that given by my fundamentalist friends.

/yes, have fundamentalist friends
//we mostly talk about movies and shiat to avoid conflict

And add astronomy as another branch of science that creationists have to slam thier eyes shut against.

I can understand not believing in carbon dating. I had AP chemistry in high school and I don't farking understand it. Half Life is a video game as far as I'm concerned. But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?


Farking appeal to ignorance...how does it work?

(I know YOU're not being stupid, it's the people you're talking about who vex me beyond words)
 
2012-09-19 06:13:13 PM

Jacobin: CDP: the coelacanth. In 1938 this one-and-a-half-metre-long (five-foot) fish was caught in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa. From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct for about the same time period as the dinosaurs, but it was actually quite well known to the Madagascan fishermen, who had been catching it for centuries.

Very recently, a live tree was discovered, in an Australian wilderness, which was previously unknown except for its 'dinosaur age' fossils.4 Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators, but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

The puzzle is solved, however, when the millions of years are seen as fiction, and the fossils are seen largely as the result of the global Flood described in the Bible. Although many creatures have become extinct in the thousands of years since the Flood, it is far less surprising for creationists than evolutionists when some of them, known only from the fossil record, turn up alive and well.

Link

8/10

Nice

I expect you will get some bites


I'm glad to see him back, I haven't seen him post in forever.
 
2012-09-19 06:16:27 PM

CDP: From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct


Fossils do not work that way.
 
2012-09-19 06:17:55 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Actually, the last Dinah Saur lived right here... on No Bikini Atoll
[beanyandcecil.com image 655x480]


"No Bikini Atoll?! WWWWOOOOOOOOW!!"

cwolf20: Is it wrong that the song

"Denver, the last dinosaur. He's my friend and so much more"

popped into my head?


Denver, the Last Dinosaur! He's my friend and a whole lot more!
Denver, the Last Dinosaur! Shows me a world I never saw before!

From the hot hot jungle a long time ago
comes a cool cool friend, my pal dino!

Denver, the Last Dinosaur! Shows me a world I never saw before!

Everywhere we go, we don't really care
if people stop and stare at our pal dino!
From prehistory to the rock-n'-roll spotlight!
We've got a friend who helps us make it through all riiiiiiiight!

That's Denver, the Last Dinosaur! He's my friend and a whole lot more!
Denver, the Last Dinosaur! Shows me a world I never saaaaawwwwww befoooooooooooooooore!
 
2012-09-19 06:17:59 PM
mybrowneggs.files.wordpress.com
Not da virgin!
 

/bad pun
//not obscure right?
///not obscure
 
2012-09-19 06:19:32 PM

Mugato: But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?


god created the light in transit to fool us, or else the speed of light has changed over the years.


/this is what morons actually believe.
 
2012-09-19 06:19:56 PM

Mugato: I can understand not believing in carbon dating. I had AP chemistry in high school and I don't farking understand it. Half Life is a video game as far as I'm concerned. But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?


God can't make stars that have been burning long enough to get light to us? Wow, I didn't know God was that limited. I thought He was like God or something.

j/k
 
2012-09-19 06:21:44 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: [mybrowneggs.files.wordpress.com image 235x274]
Not da virgin! 

/bad pun
//not obscure right?
///not obscure


Gotta love me.
 
2012-09-19 06:23:51 PM
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-19 06:26:20 PM

Kali-Yuga: Mugato: But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?

god created the light in transit to fool us, or else the speed of light has changed over the years.


/this is what morons actually believe.


Dum dum dum dum dum
 
2012-09-19 06:27:59 PM
THE LAST DINOSAUR DIED
IN 1927. THE GALAXY
IS AT PEACE...
 
2012-09-19 06:29:07 PM
Typed "dinosaurs, satan" on Google after reading this thread.

The first page of finds alone makes me wonder how many Fark submissions there were.
 
2012-09-19 06:30:10 PM

Kali-Yuga: Mugato: But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?

god created the light in transit to fool us, or else the speed of light has changed over the years.

/this is what morons actually believe.


So God is "Q" from Star Trek? Well screw you, badly written sci-fi construct. Your universe of a hundred billion stars with Earth as its only inhabitants sucks. Asshole.
 
2012-09-19 06:30:26 PM

cwolf20: Is it wrong that the song

"Denver, the last dinosaur. He's my friend and so much more"

popped into my head?


I loved that show so much.
 
2012-09-19 06:30:32 PM

FloydA: downstairs:


Ok, so when do they think dinosaurs existed, and when did they go extinct?
 
While I think the infographic is fun, I'm willing to hear what they really think.  So serious question, not snark.

That's a tricky question; they tend to be of multiple opinions. Some cite the Loch Ness Monster and the Mokèlé-mbèmbé legend of the Congo river and claim that the sauropods still exist today, they're just hiding, like Bigfoot.

Others claim that they were on Noah's Ark, and somehow the raptors were prevented from eating either of the two cows, pigs, sheep, etc. but they went extinct for no good reason at all as soon as the ark landed.

Still others claim that they were extinct before the creation of humans described in Genesis.

Still others believe that all the fossils were put in the ground by the devil to trick us.

Still others believe that the fossils were put in the ground by God because, for whatever inscrutable reason, God wanted the 6000 year old earth to look a lot older than it was.

In short, they believe all types of crazy crap. We don't need to make up things to mock them for.


According to Jack Chick, dinosaurs were on the Ark, but the destruction of all the plant life reduced the oxygen levels and it (somehow only) affected them into becoming slow stupid creatures who were then eaten into extinction by hillbilly pirate Pilgrims who thought they were dragons.
 
2012-09-19 06:30:42 PM
cause we got a Christmas Convoy riding through the night. We got a Christmas Convoy ain't she a beautiful sight??
 
2012-09-19 06:32:16 PM

gilgigamesh: Wait six hundred years? That can't be right. There are trees still alive today that are older than that. Hell, there are cathedrals in the UK much older than that. Stonehenge would be about 8 times older than the earth.


JWideman: Please tell me you dropped a zero there


guess I did... I was incorrect. He believes the world is less than 10,000 yrs old.

Doesn't make it better, this was a teacher of science in a school in Britain ... part 3 @ 17:00

Go to his discussion with science teachers who "teach" creation @ 24:00 - Richard Dawkins flat out tells them they base creationism on false facts. LoL


start back at part 1. pretty interesting documentary.
 
2012-09-19 06:32:33 PM
On, goodie, another Fark i54.photobucket.com thread.
 
2012-09-19 06:32:34 PM
www.quotezuki.com 
R.I.P.
 
2012-09-19 06:32:39 PM

FloydA: I understand the point that compressing actual geologic time into a 6000 year chronology results in obvious counter-factuals, but I don't really care for this technique. The creationists think that the geologic column was laid down over the course of a year, and they don't believe that stratigraphy is correlated with age at all. Creationists don't attempt to cram real geological history into a short time frame; they simply make up a whole new imaginary geological history instead.

Anti-evolutionists believe incredibly stupid, self-evidently and obviously false things; there is no need to distort what they believe in order to mock them. Telling the truth about what they believe is sufficient.


Can you show up to the Issaquah fark party? I still owe you a beer.
 
2012-09-19 06:32:46 PM
mr-joshua.cghub.com
 
2012-09-19 06:32:58 PM

Mugato: Kali-Yuga: Mugato: But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?

god created the light in transit to fool us, or else the speed of light has changed over the years.

/this is what morons actually believe.

So God is "Q" from Star Trek? Well screw you, badly written sci-fi construct. Your universe of a hundred billion stars with Earth as its only inhabitants sucks. Asshole.


Pretty much :)
aka-img-2.h-img.com
 
2012-09-19 06:33:24 PM
correction again.

6,000 yrs old.
 
2012-09-19 06:34:25 PM
Whose timeline is that? I study this crap and I never heard that about dinosaurs and the 1920's.
 
2012-09-19 06:35:56 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Whose timeline is that? I study this crap and I never heard that about dinosaurs and the 1920's.


(it's a joke)
 
2012-09-19 06:42:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: I want to see something that like this that Creationists believe and which yet invalidates their beliefs. Something like this: (forgive, I have no graphics skills)

Earth was created in 4004 BC according to Ussher's timeline. Using that same timeline, the Flood was about 1000 years later; ergo, the world was "re-created" (post Flood) in 3000 BC, or thereabouts.

Creationists have to believe in Moses and the Pharaoh, usually assumed to be Ramses the Great. Ramses II was the third pharaoh of the 19th Dynasty, which began (according to "scientific" belief) in 1298 BC with Ramses I. So the 19th Dynasty began 1700 years after the great Flood. So far so "good". Now, to be Pharaoh of Egypt, Ramses had to live after the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt, again, assumed by "scientists" to have occurred about...3000 BC.

Problem: For there to have been an upper and lower Egypt to unify, there must have been people living in both kingdoms BEFORE 3000 BC, which of course is not possible if everyone was wiped out in the Flood. Furthermore, the sons of Noah were the ones who did the actual repopulating, which would mean Ramses was himself a descendant of Noah.

Right?


Yes, according to the Hebrew Bible, all peoples of the earth are descended from Noah, including Egyptian Pharaohs.

The Ussher date for the flood is over 1600 years after creation. Of course Ussher's dates assume that there are no gaps in the historical record of the Hebrew Bible.

BTW, other notables who proposed that the earth was created around 4000 BC: Bede, Kepler, and Newton. Pretty smart group of guys - a revolutionary historian and two revolutionary scientists. Not exactly party-line towers. Oh, and Bede was actually accused of heresy because he thought the earth was younger than his Christian contemporaries believed. Ideas about the age of the earth and how to calculate it are culturally dependent. Of course a Christian creationist will come to a different conclusion than an evolutionary biologist, as they are working either with different source material (Hebrew Bible, for instance) or different a priori assumptions/interpretations regarding their common source material (fossils, genetic information, distance between stars and galaxies).
 
2012-09-19 06:44:50 PM

CDP: Evolutionists must explain ...


Nope, nobody "must explain" anything.

First of all, there aren't any "Evolutionists." Ordinary people, who have done a little study, and who have listened to what has been learned so far from science, have concluded that the "Theory of Evolution" holds some insights. There are no meetings. There is no dogma. It is just the most reasonable explanation proposed thus far.

Second, it must be so lonely for you since Bevets left. Before, your posts were cute when compared with the lunatic ravings of the main-troll. Now they just look lame.
 
2012-09-19 06:46:34 PM

randomjsa: Sorry no. I'm as stalwart a defender of evolution science as you will ever meet.

You can't create a chart yourself to mock creationists. That's as bad as the creationists making things up about what evolutionists say and then attacking that nice straw man. Was that chart actually made by a creationist? If not then stop it.



Agreed 100%.

It's also very nice to see you repudiating the use of straw man arguments.
 
2012-09-19 06:50:27 PM

Hassan Ben Sobr: [www.quotezuki.com image 250x250] 
R.I.P.


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-19 06:51:08 PM
Satire tag, why you get no love?
 
2012-09-19 06:54:50 PM

Matthew Keene: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 371x557]


Oh don't do that, this is going to be Fark and the Burqasauri tomorrow if you-
static.betazeta.com
shiat.
 
2012-09-19 06:57:43 PM
No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.
 
2012-09-19 07:03:59 PM
that's right. let's make up some stupid shiat that nobody believes and then pretend that somebody is stupid enough to believe it and mock the hell out of them.

it's a fun diversion from politics.
 
2012-09-19 07:05:38 PM
I agree. The article's graph is built upon a false premise. The flood wiped out everything all at once.
Stupid graph.
 
2012-09-19 07:08:22 PM
So, would a .50 cal mounted on a meaty Velociraptor be a Dinechnical?

;)
 
2012-09-19 07:12:38 PM
These people vote in huge numbers. Try sleeping well with that in your mind.
 
2012-09-19 07:14:55 PM
Came for Denver.

Thanks, Leo!
 
2012-09-19 07:17:26 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: These people vote in huge numbers. Try sleeping well with that in your mind.


"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-Isaac Asimov-
 
2012-09-19 07:17:42 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: These people vote in huge numbers. Try sleeping well with that in your mind.


Okay, with your stipulation:

"Yo, Creationists, please vote for people, not politics, for people, not corporations, for homeless people, not the enfranchised, for a real America that loves everybody like we say we do... Thank you."
 
2012-09-19 07:18:24 PM
Haven't they heard of the Chinese?
 
2012-09-19 07:22:41 PM
The article's geologic history is actually slightly less absurd than the official creationist story, and we're able to laugh at the article, so....
 
2012-09-19 07:24:32 PM

Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.


They believe other things based on fairy tales?
 
2012-09-19 07:35:54 PM

uncleacid: Prohibition killed the dinosaurs.


Double-secret prohibition?
 
2012-09-19 07:37:55 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: These people vote in huge numbers. Try sleeping well with that in your mind.


I sleep well because I'm always drunk. But if I was sober and had kids I guess I'd be somewhat worried.
 
2012-09-19 07:38:22 PM

JesseL: Why do people keep saying dinosaurs are extinct?

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x576]


I came here to say this. You actually posted a picture. So you win...
But after all, it's pretty widely considered to be true that the dinosaurs didn't go extinct at all. You should see the flock of herons that hangs around the pond where I work. It actually looks like a scene from Jurassic Park.

For that matter... Dinosaurs may have existed for a LONG time, and they may have achieved colossal sizes (in some cases). But there are many animals that predate them, that got REALLY large too, and are also still around. As a bonus for us, the age of the mammals has brought us the Blue Whale. That one seems to be the winner so far, size wise.
 
2012-09-19 07:40:53 PM
www.blackhawkrwf.org

There's still one hanging around.
 
2012-09-19 07:42:28 PM
This ridiculous and entirely inaccurate "interpretation" of when the last dinosaur died really pisses me off considering the fact that I know, for a fact, that dinosaurs still live today. The Tyrannosaurus rex in my pants at this very moment is proof enough of their existence.
 
2012-09-19 07:43:23 PM

MrHappyRotter: This ridiculous and entirely inaccurate "interpretation" of when the last dinosaur died really pisses me off considering the fact that I know, for a fact, that dinosaurs still live today. The Tyrannosaurus rex in my pants at this very moment is proof enough of their existence.


I thought that was a procompsognathus.
 
2012-09-19 07:45:47 PM
"Life uh, it uh, finds a, a way. "
 
2012-09-19 07:47:17 PM

CDP: the coelacanth. In 1938 this one-and-a-half-metre-long (five-foot) fish was caught in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa. From fossils, scientists had declared it extinct for about the same time period as the dinosaurs, but it was actually quite well known to the Madagascan fishermen, who had been catching it for centuries.

Very recently, a live tree was discovered, in an Australian wilderness, which was previously unknown except for its 'dinosaur age' fossils.4 Evolutionists must explain not only why such organisms as these documented finds have survived unchanged through millions of years of mutations and changing environments and predators, but why none of their fossils are found in the rock layers representing the alleged millions of years between then and the present.

The puzzle is solved, however, when the millions of years are seen as fiction, and the fossils are seen largely as the result of the global Flood described in the Bible. Although many creatures have become extinct in the thousands of years since the Flood, it is far less surprising for creationists than evolutionists when some of them, known only from the fossil record, turn up alive and well.

Link

[i132.photobucket.com image 309x360]


I sincerely hope you're trolling and really aren't that stupid. Evolutionists never said mutation was compulsory. It isn't. If an organism is doing particularly well in its specific environment, there is no pressure for it to further evolve. There is no reason why this would not be true of caelacanths and the Wollomi pine (not sure if I've spelled these correctly).
 
2012-09-19 07:47:30 PM

Mugato: "Life uh, it uh, finds a, a way. "


Yes, by farking each other.

With our reproductive rights, jackhats.

Choke on my Reproductive Right!
 
2012-09-19 07:53:19 PM
...and my great grandfather said it was delicious.
 
2012-09-19 07:54:21 PM
Hey! How come there's a Silurian era, but no Dalek era or Cybermen era? What's up with that?
 
2012-09-19 07:57:28 PM

Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.


But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.
 
2012-09-19 07:57:58 PM

Lizard_SF: Hey! How come there's a Silurian era, but no Dalek era or Cybermen era? What's up with that?


They be hating the Doctor. Besides, dinosaurs belong on a spaceship
 
2012-09-19 07:58:27 PM
On the 4th of November 2008, Barack Obama was elected president of the United States and thus, the next morning, the era or Modern Man began. Put that in your bible belt and smoke it.
 
2012-09-19 07:59:08 PM

DarwiOdrade: Those are infographics like "Anal Sluts" is a sex-ed film.


Well I know I learned something.


/from the pr0n, that is
 
2012-09-19 08:07:20 PM

Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.


Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...
 
2012-09-19 08:08:09 PM

Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...


A real God would never advocate that, peoples.

Please go see a doctor.

Thank you.
 
2012-09-19 08:13:22 PM

Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...


Yeah, but do these people claim to be acting in accordance with medical science? Or what their pastor told them? If creationists stopped claiming to have science on their side, I'd be far more tolerant of them.
 
2012-09-19 08:14:45 PM
Sarcastic jokes like the article don't work when only 5% of readers are smart enough to get it.
 
2012-09-19 08:21:04 PM

Begoggle: Sarcastic jokes like the article don't work when only 5% of readers are smart enough to get it.


Wacky science gags like creation science don't work. Full stop. I think this is what you meant to say. (Note to Americans, a full stop is what you call a period. What the rest of the English speaking world calls a period is either an amount of time, or menstruation, neither of which have anything to do with grammar. Also 'fall' is 'autumn'.)
 
2012-09-19 08:27:14 PM
Extinct?

They are still roaming the earth.

onemoregeneration.org
 
2012-09-19 08:27:45 PM

Aussie_As: Begoggle: Sarcastic jokes like the article don't work when only 5% of readers are smart enough to get it.

Wacky science gags like creation science don't work... I think this is what you meant to say. (Note to Americans, a full stop is what you call a period. What the rest of the English speaking world calls a period is either an amount of time, or menstruation, neither of which have anything to do with grammar. Also 'fall' is 'autumn'.)


I corrected your post for the pedantic specificity of your whinging.
 
2012-09-19 08:31:04 PM

Fano: Aussie_As: Begoggle: Sarcastic jokes like the article don't work when only 5% of readers are smart enough to get it.

Wacky science gags like creation science don't work... I think this is what you meant to say. (Note to Americans, a full stop is what you call a period. What the rest of the English speaking world calls a period is either an amount of time, or menstruation, neither of which have anything to do with grammar. Also 'fall' is 'autumn'.)

I corrected your post for the pedantic specificity of your whinging.


Well I can't deny being either a pedant or a whinger. But as such I don't agree with your correction. Still, thanks for paying attention to my pedantic whinge.
 
2012-09-19 08:31:45 PM

vudukungfu: These people are leagally retarded and vote.
there should be a law against them being allowed to vote, breed, own guns, drive cars.
Let's get on that.


I am so glad that they put you in charge of this. The world will be perfect now.
 
2012-09-19 08:31:53 PM

Begoggle: Sarcastic jokes like the article don't work when only 5% of readers are smart enough to get it.


Poe's Law in effect.....
 
2012-09-19 08:37:36 PM

durbnpoisn: JesseL: Why do people keep saying dinosaurs are extinct?

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x576]

I came here to say this. You actually posted a picture. So you win...
But after all, it's pretty widely considered to be true that the dinosaurs didn't go extinct at all. You should see the flock of herons that hangs around the pond where I work. It actually looks like a scene from Jurassic Park.

For that matter... Dinosaurs may have existed for a LONG time, and they may have achieved colossal sizes (in some cases). But there are many animals that predate them, that got REALLY large too, and are also still around. As a bonus for us, the age of the mammals has brought us the Blue Whale. That one seems to be the winner so far, size wise.


And even better...we're actually in the second age of the therapsids (the first being back in the Permian--it pretty much took the largest mass extinction ever recorded in which almost all multicellular life died to knock our proto-mammaliaform kin off the top of the heap)--one could argue that synapsids (us, our proto-mammaliform therapsid ancestors and kin, and pre-therapsid sphenacodont critters like Dimetrodon and Elasmosaurus) have had the top of the heap longer than diapsids (the clade that includes not only Proper Archosaurs like the dinosaurian bats we call birds and non-avian dinosaurs and crocodylomorphs and pterosaurs, but lepidiosaurs like snakes and lizards, the testudines (nobody really knows where they fit in :D), and weirder things like ichthyosaurs where we're still working out exactly how they fit among diapsids)...

And yes, this little tussle among the amniotes has been going on since the Carboniferous Period--I have to wonder if we'll get returns to big-ground-dino predation when the next hueg extinction event occurs and the archosaurs get the upper hand again :D (And there is reason to believe it could--we actually have had some cases of "ground dinosaur" life popping back up even with post-Cretaceous dinosaurs...most infamously with phorusracids (secretary birds from HELL that pretty much brought back dinosaurian hunting a la T. rex) and either major ground herbivory or omnivory with diatrymids and mihirungs.

(And yes, it's pretty much the "waterfowl clade" that's likely to bring about big dinosaurian stuff--let's just say that particular group has had a history of producing Big Ground-Running Critters Of Suspiciously Chocobo-Esque Proportions. Hell, we'd probably have some smartass trying to domesticate mihirungs to sell as real-life horseclaws or chocobos had not the Australian First Nations eaten them all--they survived long enough in Oz that there are still Dreaming-paths involving the things. :D)
 
2012-09-19 08:41:05 PM
Now is probably a good time to point out that CDP posts a random comment, usually from a place like free republic, that indicates the opposite view of fark consensus.
 
2012-09-19 08:44:30 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: This is all hilarious right up until the moment you realize that home-schooled kids are being dosed up with a 4000 year old world as literal truth right this very minute in the living rooms of quite a few religious households. You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity. I feel bad for these kids; critical thinking will rescue to many of them far too late.


Most home schooled children do just fine, thank you very much. I worry more for the rot which is drilled into the heads of public school inmates, I mean, students. I used to be part of the homeschool movement way back before it was common, and never met a home schooled kid who was messed up.

And even should a religious person teach things to thier children which goes against the mandatory current public school curriculum, well, so what. It is no crime to be mistaken about religious or polictical or social matters. Show me one Farker who is truly correct on everything. If somebody were so, he wouldn't be here on Fark.
 
2012-09-19 08:46:41 PM

jcb274: Now is probably a good time to point out that CDP posts a random comment, usually from a place like free republic, that indicates the opposite view of fark consensus.


Don't forget that he adds a nifty little picture at the bottom to indicate that he is not serious.
 
2012-09-19 08:48:18 PM

Aussie_As: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...

Yeah, but do these people claim to be acting in accordance with medical science? Or what their pastor told them? If creationists stopped claiming to have science on their side, I'd be far more tolerant of them.


Christian Scientists, I believe they claim...
 
2012-09-19 08:48:53 PM

Indubitably: Aussie_As: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...

Yeah, but do these people claim to be acting in accordance with medical science? Or what their pastor told them? If creationists stopped claiming to have science on their side, I'd be far more tolerant of them.

Christian Scientists, I believe they claim...


P.S. How dumb is Fark?
 
2012-09-19 08:49:14 PM

skullkrusher: BeesNuts: skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.

You misspelled "Acura".

teehee

Zoroastrians worship a crappy import


Zoroastrianism is at its core the best religion/philosophy ever: Think good thoughts, say good words, do good deeds. What's not to like? Like all other things, a lot of crap was heaped up on top of this core ideal until it was unrecognizable.

/returning to my sacred fire to sulk.
 
2012-09-19 08:49:42 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...

Yeah, but do these people claim to be acting in accordance with medical science? Or what their pastor told them? If creationists stopped claiming to have science on their side, I'd be far more tolerant of them.

Christian Scientists, I believe they claim...

P.S. How dumb is Fark?


P.P.S. Rhetorical question in play.
 
2012-09-19 08:55:43 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

I was wondering what would happen if someone did a "Muhammad raptor" instead of a "Jesus raptor".


I dunno. Muslims are pretty reasonable about things like this.
imageshack.us
Nothing much upsets those cool dudes.
 
2012-09-19 08:56:48 PM
Uh, clearly Great Porn Dragon has been studying this field for far longer than I have. I'm familiar with much of what was said, but damn if that wasn't a bit over most people's head's.

I'll certainly give you one point, that goes hand in hand with what I was saying. Animals like the ichthyosaurs are more weird than anything alive today. And they were enormous! And they were also not dinosaurs.

I look at it this way... There is practically nothing in the fossil record that can account for all the species that have ever lived. Not even to the closest degree of being closely close to close. And for that, it is absurdly difficult to put the entire timeline together. All we can do is look at what is here now, and try to trace back where they all came from. We, as humans, the smartest things on the planet, have only begun to scratch the surface of that puzzle.

If we were to catalog just the living insect species around today, we would be lucky to have a definitive number in about 15,000 years. And that's not an exaggeration. And that's just insects. Tie in all the larger animals and plants, it might take a bit longer. Forget about all the microbial life. There are more of them on your left eye than there are people in the world (okay, that's a slight exaggeration).

The point is, that's only what's alive today - right now. Go back 65 million years. By that point, there were enormous populations of plants and animals that had reigned for millions of years. And they were on their way to checking out. Many of which we will never have ANY record of existing. And they were here for FAR longer than we have existed as beings.

Sleep well...
 
2012-09-19 08:58:45 PM

Amos Quito: He didn't "die", he was MURDERED!


More like suicide by cop.
 
2012-09-19 09:08:15 PM

Tawnos:

Can you show up to the Issaquah fark party? I still owe you a beer.


Probably not- I never drive if I've been drinking, and I usually start drinking as early as possible, so that I have an excuse for not driving in Seattle (which I avoid whenever possible), so how about if you pour yourself a drink and I'll pour myself one and we'll salute each other? ;-)

Slainte
 
2012-09-19 09:08:31 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: skullkrusher: BeesNuts: skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.

You misspelled "Acura".

teehee

Zoroastrians worship a crappy import

Zoroastrianism is at its core the best religion/philosophy ever: Think good thoughts, say good words, do good deeds. What's not to like? Like all other things, a lot of crap was heaped up on top of this core ideal until it was unrecognizable.

/returning to my sacred fire to sulk.


And don't you have to walk to Paradise across a bridge whose size is determined by your life's deeds? Like if you are wicked it's as wide as a toothpick and if you are good it's a four lane highway?
 
2012-09-19 09:11:19 PM

Fano: EVERYBODY PANIC: skullkrusher: BeesNuts: skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.

You misspelled "Acura".

teehee

Zoroastrians worship a crappy import

Zoroastrianism is at its core the best religion/philosophy ever: Think good thoughts, say good words, do good deeds. What's not to like? Like all other things, a lot of crap was heaped up on top of this core ideal until it was unrecognizable.

/returning to my sacred fire to sulk.

And don't you have to walk to Paradise across a bridge whose size is determined by your life's deeds? Like if you are wicked it's as wide as a toothpick and if you are good it's a four lane highway?


I intend to drive my Camaro...

;)
 
2012-09-19 09:13:35 PM

Indubitably: Fano: EVERYBODY PANIC: skullkrusher: BeesNuts: skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.

You misspelled "Acura".

teehee

Zoroastrians worship a crappy import

Zoroastrianism is at its core the best religion/philosophy ever: Think good thoughts, say good words, do good deeds. What's not to like? Like all other things, a lot of crap was heaped up on top of this core ideal until it was unrecognizable.

/returning to my sacred fire to sulk.

And don't you have to walk to Paradise across a bridge whose size is determined by your life's deeds? Like if you are wicked it's as wide as a toothpick and if you are good it's a four lane highway?

I intend to drive my Camaro...

;)


P.S. I intend to get my car; youm owe me that at least...
 
2012-09-19 09:21:15 PM

FloydA: Probably not- I never drive if I've been drinking, and I usually start drinking as early as possible, so that I have an excuse for not driving in Seattle (which I avoid whenever possible), so how about if you pour yourself a drink and I'll pour myself one and we'll salute each other? ;-)


Bus!
 
2012-09-19 09:23:08 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Fano: EVERYBODY PANIC: skullkrusher: BeesNuts: skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.

You misspelled "Acura".

teehee

Zoroastrians worship a crappy import

Zoroastrianism is at its core the best religion/philosophy ever: Think good thoughts, say good words, do good deeds. What's not to like? Like all other things, a lot of crap was heaped up on top of this core ideal until it was unrecognizable.

/returning to my sacred fire to sulk.

And don't you have to walk to Paradise across a bridge whose size is determined by your life's deeds? Like if you are wicked it's as wide as a toothpick and if you are good it's a four lane highway?

I intend to drive my Camaro...

;)

P.S. I intend to get my car; youm owe me that at least...




Isn't it also straight up good vs. evil? Like no middle ground? So no tree-hugging druids to deal with?
 
2012-09-19 09:25:56 PM

Fano: EVERYBODY PANIC: skullkrusher: BeesNuts: skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.

You misspelled "Acura".

teehee

Zoroastrians worship a crappy import

Zoroastrianism is at its core the best religion/philosophy ever: Think good thoughts, say good words, do good deeds. What's not to like? Like all other things, a lot of crap was heaped up on top of this core ideal until it was unrecognizable.

/returning to my sacred fire to sulk.

And don't you have to walk to Paradise across a bridge whose size is determined by your life's deeds? Like if you are wicked it's as wide as a toothpick and if you are good it's a four lane highway?


That is exactly the sort of thing which was added after the initial, original concept. That particular one was picked up by the exiled Judaens in Babylon. The Judaens had no fear of hell or judgement until the exile.

But the original idea, as poorly stated above, was beautiful, elegant and right. I try to keep it in mind, as a yard stick of proper social action. It works as well today as back then (when applied). It brings a bit of happiness to have an ideal, and puts bad behavior in context.
 
2012-09-19 09:27:31 PM
I thought it was 1994.

media.avclub.com
 
2012-09-19 09:33:42 PM
http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/cdp40/?action=view&current=bible saur.jpg

All I know is that Dan L is going to be pretty pissed when he sees this.

Link
 
2012-09-19 09:36:58 PM
Christianity and science need not be a odds. Science cannot disprove the existence of God and human spirituality is not going away anytime soon.

We need to learn to stop bickering over petty crap, respect other's beliefs, and get along. I know a militant (a)theist is going to chime in with a snappy retort, but fark you. We don't need anymore divisiveness.
 
2012-09-19 09:37:20 PM

Indubitably: So, would a .50 cal mounted on a meaty Velociraptor be a Dinechnical?

;)


Shop it, and we'll know!
 
2012-09-19 09:41:22 PM
You have to love the comments section.

Is PopSci actually trying to get its users to fight as much as possible? I don't typically see online publications trolling their own users.

Someone isn't visiting the fun sites.
 
2012-09-19 09:44:28 PM

nmemkha: Christianity and science need not be a odds. Science cannot disprove the existence of God and human spirituality is not going away anytime soon.

We need to learn to stop bickering over petty crap, respect other's beliefs, and get along. I know a militant (a)theist is going to chime in with a snappy retort, but fark you. We don't need anymore divisiveness.


I'd usually be 'that guy' but I'm having a very mellow day, so I'll just point out that many, many Christians utilise their religion as a moral compass and of assistance to their life decisions, without believing that the Old Testament actually describes how the universe, the earth and humans came into existance. If you don't regard the Bible as a science text, I have less problems with your religiosity than if you do. Similarly, if you don't use the Bible to judge others (eg gays, blacks etc) but just to assist with the decisions you make about your own life, I have even less problem. I still think you will make some poor decisions sometimes, but probably no more than everyone else.
 
2012-09-19 09:46:34 PM
Mohamed Raptor will burn your embassies.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-19 09:50:34 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: This is all hilarious right up until the moment you realize that home-schooled kids are being dosed up with a 4000 year old world as literal truth right this very minute in the living rooms of quite a few religious households. You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity. I feel bad for these kids; critical thinking will rescue to many of them far too late.


As a former homeschooler, THIS. There needs to be some amount of supervision for homeschoolers. Some are actually giving their kids wonderful educations, yes, but some are lunatics and abusing their children in some way. You need a way to know.
 
2012-09-19 09:54:49 PM

downstairs: FloydA: I understand the point that compressing actual geologic time into a 6000 year chronology results in obvious counter-factuals, but I don't really care for this technique. The creationists think that the geologic column was laid down over the course of a year, and they don't believe that stratigraphy is correlated with age at all. Creationists don't attempt to cram real geological history into a short time frame; they simply make up a whole new imaginary geological history instead.

Anti-evolutionists believe incredibly stupid, self-evidently and obviously false things; there is no need to distort what they believe in order to mock them. Telling the truth about what they believe is sufficient.


Ok, so when do they think dinosaurs existed, and when did they go extinct?
 
While I think the infographic is fun, I'm willing to hear what they really think.  So serious question, not snark.


I haven't read the thread, so I have no idea if anyone has answered you. But here's my answer anyway.

Many years ago I was a creationist and my favorite theory regarding dinosaurs was 2 part. First you have to know that a lot of creationists think that before the flood there was a thick canopy of water vapor in our atmosphere that blocked radiation and kept the planet warm. This canopy was responsible for the long lifespans that are listed in genesis, topping out at 969 years. It was theorized by some that the dinosaurs were lizards that also benefitted from these long life spans and grew very large. Back when I was "studying" it they said that dinosaurs, while rare still existed in antiquity and referenced the killing of the last small Dino in the 1600s or something.

/don't believe any of this - just reporting what was popular 15 years ago.
 
2012-09-19 09:56:22 PM

Mugato: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Well then what about the farking stars, motherfarkers? Those bits of light that took millions of years to reach us? You should hear the answers for that given by my fundamentalist friends.

/yes, have fundamentalist friends
//we mostly talk about movies and shiat to avoid conflict

And add astronomy as another branch of science that creationists have to slam thier eyes shut against.

I can understand not believing in carbon dating. I had AP chemistry in high school and I don't farking understand it. Half Life is a video game as far as I'm concerned. But the stars you can actually see and the speed of light isn't something you can Jesus-away. So even if you're a dumbass like me who doesn't understand dating (heh, that works in a number of ways), how does one explain the stars out there that are billions of years older than we are?


God put the light there, already in route. So it only "looks" like it is a billion light years away.
God apparently is O'Brien from 1984.
*shows you 10,000,000 year old fossil*
"How old is this fossil?"
"10 million years old!"
"No, it is 400 years old. It has always been 400 years old. Now, how old is it?"
"10 million!!"
*turns the dial*
"No, it is 800 years old. It has always been 800 years old. Now, how old is it?"
"800!"
"You're just saying that cuz you know it's what I want to hear. I know I gave you senses, and then put you into a giant optial illusion where your senses trick you into thinking the world is billions of years old. You have to unlearn what I have taught you. Not use the senses I gave you. Not use the brain I provided for you. Only then will you be sane. Now how old?"
"800! 400! 10 milion! I don't know!"
"Ah screw it, you're going to hell..."
 
2012-09-19 09:59:56 PM

Gyrfalcon: Indubitably: So, would a .50 cal mounted on a meaty Velociraptor be a Dinechnical?

;)

Shop it, and we'll know!


I have a synopsis almost ready.

Who shall I submit it to?
 
2012-09-19 10:01:16 PM

chuggernaught: Indubitably: Indubitably: Fano: EVERYBODY PANIC: skullkrusher: BeesNuts: skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.

You misspelled "Acura".

teehee

Zoroastrians worship a crappy import

Zoroastrianism is at its core the best religion/philosophy ever: Think good thoughts, say good words, do good deeds. What's not to like? Like all other things, a lot of crap was heaped up on top of this core ideal until it was unrecognizable.

/returning to my sacred fire to sulk.

And don't you have to walk to Paradise across a bridge whose size is determined by your life's deeds? Like if you are wicked it's as wide as a toothpick and if you are good it's a four lane highway?

I intend to drive my Camaro...

;)

P.S. I intend to get my car; youm owe me that at least...



Isn't it also straight up good vs. evil? Like no middle ground? So no tree-hugging druids to deal with?


You can answer that yourself, no?

Who decides good vs. evil?

You do.
 
2012-09-19 10:02:47 PM

Indubitably: chuggernaught: Indubitably: Indubitably: Fano: EVERYBODY PANIC: skullkrusher: BeesNuts: skullkrusher: YixilTesiphon: NO ONE MURDERED BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD

yet. It's still a possibility, both sides are bad, worship Ahura Mazda.

You misspelled "Acura".

teehee

Zoroastrians worship a crappy import

Zoroastrianism is at its core the best religion/philosophy ever: Think good thoughts, say good words, do good deeds. What's not to like? Like all other things, a lot of crap was heaped up on top of this core ideal until it was unrecognizable.

/returning to my sacred fire to sulk.

And don't you have to walk to Paradise across a bridge whose size is determined by your life's deeds? Like if you are wicked it's as wide as a toothpick and if you are good it's a four lane highway?

I intend to drive my Camaro...

;)

P.S. I intend to get my car; youm owe me that at least...



Isn't it also straight up good vs. evil? Like no middle ground? So no tree-hugging druids to deal with?

You can answer that yourself, no?

Who decides good vs. evil?

You do.


P.S. However, you will answer to society as you know it, for society tells you who you are, not you, no?
 
2012-09-19 10:04:59 PM

Indubitably: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...

A real God would never advocate that, peoples.

Please go see a doctor.

Thank you.


You know the mind of god? Ask him why he made me look the way I do... =P

/also, wouldn't a "real god" not make us sick in the first place?
//using "real god" in your context, as a beneveloent one.
 
2012-09-19 10:06:43 PM

Aussie_As: nmemkha: Christianity and science need not be a odds. Science cannot disprove the existence of God and human spirituality is not going away anytime soon.

We need to learn to stop bickering over petty crap, respect other's beliefs, and get along. I know a militant (a)theist is going to chime in with a snappy retort, but fark you. We don't need anymore divisiveness.

I'd usually be 'that guy' but I'm having a very mellow day, so I'll just point out that many, many Christians utilise their religion as a moral compass and of assistance to their life decisions, without believing that the Old Testament actually describes how the universe, the earth and humans came into existance. If you don't regard the Bible as a science text, I have less problems with your religiosity than if you do. Similarly, if you don't use the Bible to judge others (eg gays, blacks etc) but just to assist with the decisions you make about your own life, I have even less problem. I still think you will make some poor decisions sometimes, but probably no more than everyone else.


I know, I am one of those Christians. Christ's message touched none of those topics. He was more interested in how we treat each other.
 
2012-09-19 10:08:44 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: This is all hilarious right up until the moment you realize that home-schooled kids are being dosed up with a 4000 year old world as literal truth right this very minute in the living rooms of quite a few religious households. You can be cynical and state as a positive that ignorance will forever lock these kids out of meaningful social involvement or influence (except for the kids of the rich ones of course) but it doesn't change the fact that these poor children are essentially having thier brains bound like an ancient Chinese woman's foot in a world where knowledge is the last measure of potential for success and prosperity. I feel bad for these kids; critical thinking will rescue to many of them far too late.

Most home schooled children do just fine, thank you very much. I worry more for the rot which is drilled into the heads of public school inmates, I mean, students. I used to be part of the homeschool movement way back before it was common, and never met a home schooled kid who was messed up.

And even should a religious person teach things to thier children which goes against the mandatory current public school curriculum, well, so what. It is no crime to be mistaken about religious or polictical or social matters. Show me one Farker who is truly correct on everything. If somebody were so, he wouldn't be here on Fark.


Clarification time: not all home-schooled kids are taught creationist fantasies but the overwhelming majority of kids force fed creationist fantasies are homeschooled; make you feel better?

And the question isn't about whether it's a crime to be "mistaken.". To know something is false and mold someone's mind to believe otherwise is a horrible cruelty, doubly so when the aim isn't to open up inquiries into the nature of the worlds hidden truths as science does, but rather shut the door on any dissent against a pre-chosen "truth" that threatens a mythical wish. Nobody decided that the earth was ancient, any more than they decided that apples falling from trees hit the ground. Scientists observed, they explored, they accepted the evidence. Only religion has the arrogance to declare an end-game without dissent regardless of what evidence. To close a mind against the evidence it gathers in all its wonder is the cruelest bondage imaginable.
 
2012-09-19 10:10:35 PM

stonicus: Indubitably: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...

A real God would never advocate that, peoples.

Please go see a doctor.

Thank you.

You know the mind of god? Ask him why he made me look the way I do... =P

/also, wouldn't a "real god" not make us sick in the first place?
//using "real god" in your context, as a beneveloent one.


It isn't about you...
 
2012-09-19 10:15:47 PM

Indubitably: stonicus: Indubitably: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...

A real God would never advocate that, peoples.

Please go see a doctor.

Thank you.

You know the mind of god? Ask him why he made me look the way I do... =P

/also, wouldn't a "real god" not make us sick in the first place?
//using "real god" in your context, as a beneveloent one.

It isn't about you...


Ok, it's not about me, whatever that means. Now, why would a real god make us sick in the first place?
 
2012-09-19 10:18:19 PM

stonicus: Indubitably: stonicus: Indubitably: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...

A real God would never advocate that, peoples.

Please go see a doctor.

Thank you.

You know the mind of god? Ask him why he made me look the way I do... =P

/also, wouldn't a "real god" not make us sick in the first place?
//using "real god" in your context, as a beneveloent one.

It isn't about you...

Ok, it's not about me, whatever that means. Now, why would a real god make us sick in the first place?


Oh, oh, I know this. "Works in Mysterious Ways". Answer for absolutely every farking thing.

/that will be 10% of your income. Gross, not net you selfish bastard.
 
2012-09-19 10:26:34 PM
OH OH WAIT DON'T GO YET! I got this-

img.myconfinedspace.com 

I win I win!
 
2012-09-19 10:33:31 PM

Marcintosh: OH OH WAIT DON'T GO YET! I got this-

[img.myconfinedspace.com image 556x380] 

I win I win!


That's good, I also like the graph which pops up on Fark from time to time showing the declination in god's powers over the last 6000 years, going from 'made the heavens and the earth' to 'appears on a piece of toast'.
 
2012-09-19 10:36:06 PM

Marcintosh: OH OH WAIT DON'T GO YET! I got this-

[img.myconfinedspace.com image 556x380] 

I win I win!


Except for the fact that it ignores a lot of possible arguments to the contrary. But I'm glad you have faith that you win ;)

/Before the flame, I am an evolutionist. I'm not Bevets.
 
2012-09-19 10:38:29 PM

reillan:

/Before the flame, I am an evolutionist. I'm not Bevets.


Would you be so kind as to define what you mean by that term? Thank you.
 
2012-09-19 10:47:05 PM

stonicus: "Ah screw it, you're going to hell..."



"God moves in extremely mysterious, not to say, circuitous ways. God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players (i.e. everybody), to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time."
 
2012-09-19 11:00:48 PM
What the fark is in these peoples drinking water? From there teeth its clearly not fluoride.
 
2012-09-19 11:02:34 PM
Wow, just wow, this is a new low, this chart gives Creationisms a bad name. Seriously, how do they explain that there are no recorded evidence of living dinosaurs between 1683 and 1927 on paper or film. Also on the side bar they said that the first mulitcell animal was in 1188, over a thousand years after Jesus and his multi-celled disciples ran around Israel, and single cells came around 81BC, way after the multicell Noah or even Abraham.

I also love how they discredit the notion that Jesus rode on a dinosaur because he was born and died before they existed.
 
2012-09-19 11:06:57 PM

dennysgod: Wow, just wow, this is a new low, this chart gives Creationisms a bad name. Seriously, how do they explain that there are no recorded evidence of living dinosaurs between 1683 and 1927 on paper or film. Also on the side bar they said that the first mulitcell animal was in 1188, over a thousand years after Jesus and his multi-celled disciples ran around Israel, and single cells came around 81BC, way after the multicell Noah or even Abraham.

I also love how they discredit the notion that Jesus rode on a dinosaur because he was born and died before they existed.


It was a lot easier for Noah to pack them single celled critters on the ark en route to Turkey..
 
2012-09-19 11:21:48 PM
Anyone with a brain knows that dinosaurs never existed. The devil and his demon helper elves planted those fossils to try to trick us and test our faith. Duh, guys.
 
2012-09-19 11:26:47 PM

Marcintosh: OH OH WAIT DON'T GO YET! I got this-


And if God did any of those things, would you have free will?
All you have got is an all purpose excuse.
 
2012-09-19 11:37:25 PM

asciidic: Anyone with a brain knows that dinosaurs never existed. The devil and his demon helper elves planted those fossils to try to trick us and test our faith. Duh, guys.



scienceblogs.com
 
2012-09-20 12:01:48 AM
 
2012-09-20 12:14:04 AM

Aussie_As: Marcintosh: OH OH WAIT DON'T GO YET! I got this-

[img.myconfinedspace.com image 556x380] 

I win I win!

That's good, I also like the graph which pops up on Fark from time to time showing the declination in god's powers over the last 6000 years, going from 'made the heavens and the earth' to 'appears on a piece of toast'.


You got a link? I don't recall seeing that one.
 
2012-09-20 12:32:52 AM
www.irreligion.org
 
2012-09-20 01:17:06 AM
Wasn't Jesus was married to a dinosaur?
 
2012-09-20 01:34:12 AM
Today marks my tenth year on Fark, and I'm pretty sure there's been a thread like this one every single day.

/wasn't gonna post about it
//fark it
 
2012-09-20 01:36:06 AM
So if the last dinosaur died in 1927, how did it meet its demise? Did John Dillinger run it over speeding away from a bank job in a stolen Packard?
 
2012-09-20 02:39:31 AM

Fano: And don't you have to walk to Paradise across a bridge whose size is determined by your life's deeds? Like if you are wicked it's as wide as a toothpick and if you are good it's a four lane highway?


...I'm going to be looking at a bridge shaped like a Mandelbrot set, aren't I.

Aussie_As: I'll just point out that many, many Christians utilise

utilize their religion as a language for expressing their moral compass

FTFY?
 
2012-09-20 02:40:21 AM

Anarchangel: Today marks my tenth year on Fark, and I'm pretty sure there's been a thread like this one every single day.

/wasn't gonna post about it
//fark it


Ten years? Respect, I've got another eleven months to go to that milestone.

/respect, mingled with a sense of loss for the hours we've both wasted
//we'll never get them back, man!
 
2012-09-20 02:48:48 AM

radiumsoup: not all creationists are short-day theorists.


However, the YEC/OEC ratio ("short-day"/"day=age" theorist; disregarding the ID/TE/AE parts of the population) is likely about 2:1, based from crossing Gallup and Mason-Dixon poll results.

Anarchangel: Today marks my tenth year on Fark, and I'm pretty sure there's been a thread like this one every single day.


It has oscillations. One active daily, give or take a factor of three-ish; depending on how you count major threadjacks.
 
mjl
2012-09-20 03:48:18 AM

vegasj: LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.


Occasionally when accosted by evangelists I claim to be a 7th minute Adventist who believes the world was created 7 minutes ago complete in every detail. Any appeals to the Good Book can be deflected with arguments along the lines of "Oh you poor person, you don't understand, you were created believing that.. and now the infinite mercy of HoHoba (hubba hubba) has given you a chance of salvation if you convert to the true faith".
 
2012-09-20 03:56:46 AM
images1.dailykos.com
 
2012-09-20 05:31:20 AM

mjl: vegasj: LoL

I just watched some Richard Dawkins' documentary on YT the other day about Darwin.

He was talking to some bible thumper in the UK who believed the earth was only about 600 yrs old or so.

Occasionally when accosted by evangelists I claim to be a 7th minute Adventist who believes the world was created 7 minutes ago complete in every detail. Any appeals to the Good Book can be deflected with arguments along the lines of "Oh you poor person, you don't understand, you were created believing that.. and now the infinite mercy of HoHoba (hubba hubba) has given you a chance of salvation if you convert to the true faith".


I'm a 7-Minutes-From-Now Adventist. The creation of the world, which took place outside of time, created it in a state that will, from our point of view, be 7 minutes from now. We are consciousnesses formed by direct inference of what the past would have been like, our mental states implied like a logical palimpsest within the initial state of the universe.
 
2012-09-20 08:20:38 AM
Most creationists don't believe that.

Of course, in their poor attempts to argue against the theory of evolution, they misrepresent science far worse than that poster misrepresents creationism. Turnabout is fair play.

It's also funny. It gets a pass for that alone.
 
2012-09-20 10:09:44 AM

FloydA: reillan:

/Before the flame, I am an evolutionist. I'm not Bevets.

Would you be so kind as to define what you mean by that term? Thank you.


I am someone who believes evolution to be true...

I hold firmly to the belief that the Earth is billions of years old, that life sparked from amino acids, that it developed through a lengthy process of death and reproduction, that ultimately the traits that made certain organisms stronger than others also got passed along more easily due to that strength, and thus progressed to more and more complex and intelligent organisms.

Unfortunately, because of the complex nature of the evolution/creation debate in the US, it has become necessary to give a scientific fact a faith-based label...
 
2012-09-20 10:54:28 AM

reillan: I hold firmly to the belief that the Earth is billions of years old, that life sparked from amino acids, that it developed through a lengthy process of death and reproduction, that ultimately the traits that made certain organisms stronger than others also got passed along more easily due to that strength, and thus progressed to more and more complex and intelligent organisms.


sounds like a freakin oath, or pledge.

okay, repeat after me.

I hold firmly to the belief, that the Earth is billions of years old,...
 
2012-09-20 04:49:55 PM

colon_pow: reillan: I hold firmly to the belief that the Earth is billions of years old, that life sparked from amino acids, that it developed through a lengthy process of death and reproduction, that ultimately the traits that made certain organisms stronger than others also got passed along more easily due to that strength, and thus progressed to more and more complex and intelligent organisms.

sounds like a freakin oath, or pledge.

okay, repeat after me.

I hold firmly to the belief, that the Earth is billions of years old,...


*Holds one hand on the Bible, and the other on Dawkins' "Greatest Show on Earth", and repeats*
 
2012-09-20 08:10:22 PM

reillan: FloydA: reillan:

/Before the flame, I am an evolutionist. I'm not Bevets.

Would you be so kind as to define what you mean by that term? Thank you.

I am someone who believes evolution to be true...

I hold firmly to the belief that the Earth is billions of years old, that life sparked from amino acids, that it developed through a lengthy process of death and reproduction, that ultimately the traits that made certain organisms stronger than others also got passed along more easily due to that strength, and thus progressed to more and more complex and intelligent organisms.

Unfortunately, because of the complex nature of the evolution/creation debate in the US, it has become necessary to give a scientific fact a faith-based label...


I'd suggest rather than stating you're an 'evolutionist', you might prefer to refer to yourself as a Darwinist if you want to use a faith-based label (and your reasons for doing so are certainly fair). 'Evolutionist' implies, innaccurately, that you're a professional scientist studying evolution (eg geneticist, molecular biologist). I accept the science of chemistry, but it doesn't make me a chemist.
 
2012-09-21 02:11:57 PM

Aussie_As: reillan: FloydA: reillan:

/Before the flame, I am an evolutionist. I'm not Bevets.

Would you be so kind as to define what you mean by that term? Thank you.

I am someone who believes evolution to be true...

I hold firmly to the belief that the Earth is billions of years old, that life sparked from amino acids, that it developed through a lengthy process of death and reproduction, that ultimately the traits that made certain organisms stronger than others also got passed along more easily due to that strength, and thus progressed to more and more complex and intelligent organisms.

Unfortunately, because of the complex nature of the evolution/creation debate in the US, it has become necessary to give a scientific fact a faith-based label...

I'd suggest rather than stating you're an 'evolutionist', you might prefer to refer to yourself as a Darwinist if you want to use a faith-based label (and your reasons for doing so are certainly fair). 'Evolutionist' implies, innaccurately, that you're a professional scientist studying evolution (eg geneticist, molecular biologist). I accept the science of chemistry, but it doesn't make me a chemist.


Fair enough. My degree is in rhetoric (I minored in chemistry, but I still don't think that makes me a chemist, sadly), and your argument is rhetorically sound, so I accept it and will adopt the label "Darwinist" instead.

"Christian Darwinist" as a label will certainly mess with some people...
 
2012-09-21 03:51:29 PM

reillan: "Christian Darwinist" as a label will certainly mess with some people...


especially the people that require evidence for their scientific theories

as a Christian Darwinist do you believe in Universal Common Ancestry?
 
2012-09-21 04:25:06 PM

reillan: "Christian Darwinist" as a label will certainly mess with some people...


It's the only one that makes sense. Otherwise, said Christian is telling God what He can and can't do. I'm not a Christian but I'm pretty sure that's not considered OK in any other context within the faith.

The motto of the Creationist is basically, "Organisms that evolve by natural selection? Sorry, but while my God is an awesome God, He's not that awesome. He can only create static things that can't improve themselves."
 
2012-09-21 04:55:42 PM

Man On Pink Corner: reillan: "Christian Darwinist" as a label will certainly mess with some people...

It's the only one that makes sense. Otherwise, said Christian is telling God what He can and can't do. I'm not a Christian but I'm pretty sure that's not considered OK in any other context within the faith.

The motto of the Creationist is basically, "Organisms that evolve by natural selection? Sorry, but while my God is an awesome God, He's not that awesome. He can only create static things that can't improve themselves."


I lold
 
2012-09-21 05:07:58 PM

I drunk what: reillan: "Christian Darwinist" as a label will certainly mess with some people...

especially the people that require evidence for their scientific theories

as a Christian Darwinist do you believe in Universal Common Ancestry?


I'm really going to start stepping out of my knowledge zone here, but let me try to make a few assumptions...

First, it's completely possible that life sprouted in multiple places all around the world, not necessarily simultaneously, but certainly within close proximity. I don't know whether the very first cells were all identical in DNA, but that also seems unlikely.

Second, we've been bombarded with meteorites, and it's entirely possible that extraterrestrial dna hitched a ride.

So we could have multiple sources that have all since blended together. In essence, we all have a common ancestry, since it'd likely be impossible to back-track and identify the individual progenitors' dnas.

(but what I really think is that you were asking me if humans are part of the same evolutionary chain as everything else. That answer is a pretty resounding "yes")
 
2012-09-21 06:26:56 PM

stonicus: Indubitably: stonicus: Indubitably: Indubitably: Aussie_As: Mija: No, most creationists do not believe that but hey, any reason for the daily hate thread on Fark.

But aren't creationists about creation science? Are you admitting now it's just a belief, not science? Excellent honestly. A rare characteristic in a creationist. Thanks for destroying creation science for us.

Some people don't go to doctors b/c God told them so...

A real God would never advocate that, peoples.

Please go see a doctor.

Thank you.

You know the mind of god? Ask him why he made me look the way I do... =P

/also, wouldn't a "real god" not make us sick in the first place?
//using "real god" in your context, as a beneveloent one.

It isn't about you...

Ok, it's not about me, whatever that means. Now, why would a real god make us sick in the first place?


You make you sick.
 
2012-09-21 11:07:15 PM

reillan: completely possible


reillan: entirely possible


so then like 99.999...% sure?

reillan: So we could have multiple sources that have all since blended together.


and yet:

reillan: In essence, we all have a common ancestry


i having trouble locating any of your words that have meaning

reillan: I'm really going to start stepping out of my knowledge zone here


now this, i can concur with, you have convinced me

reillan: extraterrestrial dna hitched a ride


so you're not saying it's aliens but......., is this the part where you provide the scientific evidence to support the existence of such things? before you go and assume that's how it explains how life got here in the first place?

after that if you wouldn't mind i'd love to hear about your experiments with crashing dna-laden meteors into a planet and creating living organisms from it... i like science

/btw is your hair a bird?

reillan: (but what I really think is that you were asking me if humans are part of the same evolutionary chain as everything else. That answer is a pretty resounding "yes")


that is indirectly part of what i was asking, however after reviewing the rest of your post, i'm not sure where to even begin???

the question was quite simple, do you believe that ALL of life on Earth can be traced back to a single life form (or at least a few similar life forms), therefore forming a tree of life such as can be found in Darwin's Theory of Evolution, which you should be well aware of if you are going to be claiming that you are a "Darwinist"

also, if you are going to pretend to believe in Darwin's teachings you might also want to do some basic research on the central parts to his theory and what some of the major concerns he had about his theory, just in case recent evidence has gone and disproved his theory...

can you make an educated guess as to what a major problem would be for one of his supporters?
 
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