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2012-09-19 01:15:44 PM
14 votes:

Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.


I've seen this sentiment a lot today, and it's farking ridiculous.

I'll repeat what I said in another thread, people complained loudly, and Chick-fil-a took notice and fixed the problem. While I'm not naive enough to think it was anything more than a purely business-minded decision, I still think they deserve credit for making this kind of change when they know they're going to seriously piss off all of the evangelicals and conservatives who were championing them during the whole media shiat storm.

This is quite literally the entire point of having a boycott.
2012-09-19 12:48:22 PM
7 votes:
Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.
2012-09-19 01:37:40 PM
5 votes:
Much like Komen, it's far too late to backpedal. The damage to the brand has been done.
2012-09-19 01:35:09 PM
5 votes:

PolloDiablo: This is quite literally the entire point of having a boycott.


You guys, listen to Devil Chicken. He's right.


Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.


Horrible attitude. They acted shiatty, people called them out on it, they changed course. What more do you want them to do? I don't think Jesus has given them a time machine yet, so they can't go back and just not do it in the first place. This is exactly what we wanted them to do. Do you not see that? We won!
2012-09-19 12:55:32 PM
5 votes:
While this is good, I'd like to see them balance it out by starting to donate to pro-gay groups.
2012-09-19 12:51:21 PM
5 votes:
This is impossible. You see, I was informed that a boycott wouldn't be effective.
2012-09-19 09:17:19 PM
4 votes:

The Whore Of Mensa: Setting all politics aside (and that is very difficult), just from a marketing perspective I think the brand may not recover.

I used to work for a major chain bookstore. Our competitor declared a type of bankruptcy (but was still officially open). They did not go out of business for another year or so. However, time and time again, I saw customers take out their competitor card, shrug, and say, well, guess I should just throw this out! I'd tell them, no, ma'am, there's a Competitor Store about a 1/4 mile that way, and they're open... the customer would just shrug and shake their head. Once the customer gets it in his head that the store is closed -- to them-- doesn't matter if it's open or not.

Same thing here. First CFA alienated a large group of customers, now they are turning around and alienating their original, loyal customers. Some of the first group will come back. But a lot just have it in their head that, NO, no CFA for me. And now the loyal ones are saying, well, no, you've lost MY dollar.

Politics aside, CFA is hosed.


In the long run, I think the Support CFA day might have done a lot of damage to them. It cemented in people's minds that eating there meant not supporting gay marriage. That made eating there a political statement, and not everyone was comfortable with that. They just wanted some chicken, not to go round and round about gay marriage. They didn't stop coming because of deep convictions, they didn't want the hassle and just ate elsewhere.

I could see a group of people going out to lunch, and while normally they'd hit CFA, now they'll avoid it because they don't want a fight. Rather than get into a debate on gay marriage, they just decide to eat at Burger King instead and argue about sports. It's simpler, and it means they can still hang out together. Others might avoid it not because they themselves are offended, but they don't want to be seen eating there and have to defend themselves to their gay friends.

All this because, thanks to Hukabee and everyone on Facebook who made a big to do about eating at CFA that Wednesday, that chain is now tied to being anti-gay rights.

/"in the future, if you're wondering, 'Gay marriage. Boy, I don't know' is when I decided to kick your ass."
2012-09-19 03:10:27 PM
4 votes:

jst3p: The point I want to get across is that I hope they go bankrupt. I didn't want them to cave in and sell out in spite of their values, I want the business to die because of those values.


That was never the aim of the protests, it was and is never going to happen, and it's frankly a childish and naive expectation. Sure, you might put a dent in their bottom line, but the reality is that there are more than enough people out there who either don't care or agree with Chick-fil-A's politics to keep them afloat.

In my mind, short of the CEO issuing a personal heartfelt apology on primetime television, this is the best possible outcome that anyone could have hoped for. The public was made aware of an otherwise unknown issue, people became upset, and Chick-fil-A was essentially forced to change their policies. It acted as a learning experience for both a lot of people out there who thought they had found mainstream justification for their bigotry, and a lot of like-minded companies who now see that even just supporting anti-gay groups can have serious repercussions.

This whole thing is like egg on the face of the entire pro-family/traditional marriage movement. They thought they had found mainstream commercial support for their agenda, they organized events specifically to highlight this meeting of the minds and to voice their shared support for "traditional values", and not even a month later the very object of their affection comes out and announces that they'll no longer be supporting these very same groups.
2012-09-19 10:28:19 PM
3 votes:

tony41454: When Dan Cathy said, "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.'" He was absolutely right.


We do. In our modern marriages a women is not chattel. She is not property, nor does she have to marry her rapist, nor her husbands brother.
2012-09-19 06:45:26 PM
3 votes:
fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net Jen Blackburn
Hey now I can enjoy a chicken sandwich with a clean conscience. Thanks for doing the right thing!


Nothnig to add. Titties.
2012-09-19 02:07:36 PM
3 votes:

heavymetal: They did something "good". I think we should encourage them to continue rather than scorn them for their past mistakes. What I am curious is how will all my friends who were so passionate about supporting Chick-Fil-A's first amendment right to support discrimination, will react to Chick-Fil-A using their first amendment right to correct that wrong. I want to see if they turn hypocrite and how they will spin it. I will get great joy watching this moral dilemma happen.


They did not do something "good". They stopped doing something "bad". Doing something "good" would be something like offering benefits to same sex partners.
2012-09-19 01:52:22 PM
3 votes:
I stopped going when Dan Cathy announced that he and ChickFilA were "guilty as charged" in funding hate groups. I'll return when Dan Cathy announces an apology in person and not in the form of a memo or press release.
2012-09-19 01:38:43 PM
3 votes:
Chick-Fil-A, Five Guys...these franchises people think are exotic because they aren't over saturated like McDonald's still really aren't all that great. It's like having sex with someone for the first time. Once it's over, you wonder what all the fuss was about.
2012-09-19 01:28:53 PM
3 votes:

sammyk: They do know the bigots that showed up in droves a month ago will turn on them in an instant don't they? Might have to wander over to freeperville to see the butthurt.


Considering how public opinion on this topic is trending, they might have had someone at their organization with enough sense to realize they needed to make this (largely empty, vaguely apologetic) announcement for the sake of long-term damage control.

Also, at the end of the day...it created a perceived hostile environment in the restaurants, regardless of which side of the issue you were on. This entire mess was just BAD for business.
2012-09-19 12:52:14 PM
3 votes:

Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.


Right?

can you believe these motherf*ckers gave in and stopped funding hate groups? The nerve.
2012-09-19 08:20:02 PM
2 votes:
Setting all politics aside (and that is very difficult), just from a marketing perspective I think the brand may not recover.

I used to work for a major chain bookstore. Our competitor declared a type of bankruptcy (but was still officially open). They did not go out of business for another year or so. However, time and time again, I saw customers take out their competitor card, shrug, and say, well, guess I should just throw this out! I'd tell them, no, ma'am, there's a Competitor Store about a 1/4 mile that way, and they're open... the customer would just shrug and shake their head. Once the customer gets it in his head that the store is closed -- to them-- doesn't matter if it's open or not.

Same thing here. First CFA alienated a large group of customers, now they are turning around and alienating their original, loyal customers. Some of the first group will come back. But a lot just have it in their head that, NO, no CFA for me. And now the loyal ones are saying, well, no, you've lost MY dollar.

Politics aside, CFA is hosed.
2012-09-19 03:24:13 PM
2 votes:
Did anyone else notice that KFC recently started advertising these things that look an awful lot like the CFA sammich? Coincidence?

www.grubgrade.com
2012-09-19 02:38:00 PM
2 votes:
I'm of a mind that we should go back to eating there to make it completely and totally clear how much they need our money. If they see a sales spike starting today that gets them back to the pre-boycott sales levels it's going to send the message to other companies that they live and die by the progressive dollar.
2012-09-19 02:09:36 PM
2 votes:
Whether they did it because it is the right thing to do or because it could affect their bottom line is inconsequential. The fact is that they have stopped funding hate groups. I'd love it if they contributed to pro-gay groups (being gay myself), but I'll take what I can get. I think I'll wait until they put their money where their mouth is... or rather don't. Then I honestly wouldn't mind patronizing Chick-fil-A. Dan Cathy is entitled to his opinions, no matter how reprehensible. As long as his company doesn't actively contribute to keeping me a second class citizen, I have no problem giving them my patronage. Personal tastes aside, Chick-fil-A offers a fine product. I refused to eat there because they funded antigay causes. They've stopped. It's not "too little too late", it's change. Please don't hate for the sake of hating, because then we become no better than that which we oppose. I don't believe Mr. Cathy will reverse his bigotry, but his company and how it carries itself can. Extend an olive branch here, don't burn the bridge. We got what we were protesting for, let's not throw that away. If you still have a bad taste in your mouth that's okay; that's compromise. Grow from it and help Chick-fil-A grow from it.
2012-09-19 02:08:05 PM
2 votes:
The company did not confirm or deny its charitable organization's statement when approached by the Internet news source Buzzfeed, with a spokesman instead giving a statement saying "We have no agenda, policy or position against anyone."

Skeptical Farker is skeptical.
2012-09-19 02:07:13 PM
2 votes:
Guess it is hurting them, huh? Also doesn't change my opinion, I'm still refusing to eat there...

Maybe they should doing matching donations or double the donations they did to the anti-gay organizations, but to pro-gay ones and come out supporting gay marriage.

Maybe that will change some people's minds then.
2012-09-19 02:02:31 PM
2 votes:
They did something "good". I think we should encourage them to continue rather than scorn them for their past mistakes. What I am curious is how will all my friends who were so passionate about supporting Chick-Fil-A's first amendment right to support discrimination, will react to Chick-Fil-A using their first amendment right to correct that wrong. I want to see if they turn hypocrite and how they will spin it. I will get great joy watching this moral dilemma happen.
2012-09-19 02:01:33 PM
2 votes:

thismomentinblackhistory: This might be worth dropping in on Freeperville!


If only there was a brave farker who would venture over there and report back on the lunacy, if only...
2012-09-19 01:37:19 PM
2 votes:
This long after the fact? That's the most obvious money grab I've seen for a while. That's clearly nothing more than financial, not that you suddenly care.
2012-09-19 01:04:55 PM
2 votes:
Fark 'em.

Let them die.
2012-09-21 10:42:34 AM
1 votes:

dslknowitall: PolloDiablo: Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.

I've seen this sentiment a lot today, and it's farking ridiculous.

I'll repeat what I said in another thread, people complained loudly, and Chick-fil-a took notice and fixed the problem. While I'm not naive enough to think it was anything more than a purely business-minded decision, I still think they deserve credit for making this kind of change when they know they're going to seriously piss off all of the evangelicals and conservatives who were championing them during the whole media shiat storm.

This is quite literally the entire point of having a boycott.

um....about that

Link

Yeah they pretty much seem to have just changed the name on the check they write. Christian morals and all.....you know how it works.


Well that didn't take long. Sigh.

While I don't agree with their hate-filled agenda, I have always supported Chick-Fil-A's decision to support whomever they choose, with the only possible exception that they should not break the law by supporting terrorist groups, etc. It's their company, it's their money and you and I and everyone else shouldn't have any say in what they do with it. Again, so long as they remain within the law.

As always, if you disagree with a company, don't support them, that's the way the system works. Or in cases where you've really got a lot of sand down there, go ahead and stage a peaceful protest of print signs or something.

But lying pisses me off. When a company declares that they're going to do something and then they do the opposite, I no longer think of them as a company that expresses a viewpoint, I view them as a dishonest company. And once they prove that they are dishonest, one wonders what else they are dishonest about. Do they cheat on their taxes? Do they promise people raises and then renig on them? Do they sell us cat and tell us it's chicken???

This link of yours is the first thing that actually pissed me off about Chick-Fil-A.
2012-09-21 10:20:57 AM
1 votes:

PolloDiablo: Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.

I've seen this sentiment a lot today, and it's farking ridiculous.

I'll repeat what I said in another thread, people complained loudly, and Chick-fil-a took notice and fixed the problem. While I'm not naive enough to think it was anything more than a purely business-minded decision, I still think they deserve credit for making this kind of change when they know they're going to seriously piss off all of the evangelicals and conservatives who were championing them during the whole media shiat storm.

This is quite literally the entire point of having a boycott.


um....about that

Link

Yeah they pretty much seem to have just changed the name on the check they write. Christian morals and all.....you know how it works.
2012-09-20 09:12:09 AM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: While this is good, I'd like to see them balance it out by starting to donate to pro-gay groups.


THIS.

/been boycotting them for about 2 years
//not gay, but don't want to fuel the hate
2012-09-20 12:22:22 AM
1 votes:
soporific:
In the long run, I think the Support CFA day might have done a lot of damage to them. It cemented in people's minds that eating there meant not supporting gay marriage. That made eating there a political statement, and not everyone was comfortable with that. They just wanted some chicken, not to go round and round about gay marriage. They didn't stop coming because of deep convictions, they didn't want the hassle and just ate elsewhere.

I could see a group of people going out to lunch, and while normally they'd hit CFA, now they'll avoid it because they don't want a fight. Rather than get into a debate on gay marriage, they just decide to eat at Burger King instead and argue about sports. It's simpler, and it means they can still hang out together. Others might avoid it not because they themselves are offended, but they don't want to be seen eating there and have to defend themselves to their gay friends.


All this because, thanks to Hukabee and everyone on Facebook who made a big to do about eating at CFA that Wednesday, that chain is now tied to being anti-gay rights.

/"in the future, if you're wondering, 'Gay marriage. Boy, I don't know' is when I decided to kick your ass."


Totally agree. And as far as your slashie, when he said the original line I actually cheered at the TV.

/Miss that show. The early seasons anyway.
2012-09-20 12:06:01 AM
1 votes:

tony41454: When Dan Cathy said, "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.'" He was absolutely right.


I always find it hilarious when people imply that marriage is purely a Christian institution.
2012-09-19 11:45:48 PM
1 votes:
Is there ever a time when it's NOT about the money?
2012-09-19 11:41:37 PM
1 votes:

tony41454: When Dan Cathy said, "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.'" He was absolutely right.


Yahweh may be pissed, but Jupiter and Thor are cool with it, and they can out-wrath that pansy anytime.
2012-09-19 11:23:43 PM
1 votes:
Wouldn't God just save their business if it went under because of their bigotry? I mean, if he can send a hurricane because he hates gays, he can save a chicken restaurant for the same reason.
2012-09-19 11:08:15 PM
1 votes:
I said this back when this shiat first hit the fan, and I'll say it again. It's way easier for people to remember to just not eat at one particular restaurant than it is for people to make the conscious effort to eat there more often to offset the effects of others not eating there.

Say 10% of the populace boycotts, 80% don't give a shiat, and 10% fervently support Chik-fil-A. That 10% need to double their consumption indefinitely to make up for the other 10% that can simply go to the place next door or down the block. One is way easier than the other.
2012-09-19 10:39:40 PM
1 votes:

tony41454: When Dan Cathy said, "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.'" He was absolutely right.


Oh you know what may as well go whole hog. We've done away with most of this.

imageshack.us
2012-09-19 10:34:59 PM
1 votes:

tony41454: When Dan Cathy said, "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.'" He was absolutely right.


Oh oh, again almost forgot, we have done away with the dowry too and bride price!
2012-09-19 10:31:31 PM
1 votes:

tony41454: When Dan Cathy said, "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.'" He was absolutely right.


Oh I almost forgot, modern marriages are no longer forcibly arranged!!

People are allowed to marry out of love, if they want to. Well in some places in America, unlike say, the middle east where Sky Daddy laws still hold sway.
2012-09-19 10:17:13 PM
1 votes:
I like to think that the owner was mortified by what he saw from the people who were agreeing with him. It would be like an animal-lover giving money to PETA and then having them firebomb a scientist's house.
2012-09-19 10:11:01 PM
1 votes:

Super Chronic: So, someone help me out with my ethical dilemma.

Some time ago, my 11-year-old daughter won a drawing: free party for 15 at Chick-Fil-A. Now, even before the marriage controversy, I kind of scoffed at this, because who the hell has a party at Chick-Fil-A? But being an 11-year-old girl, she really wants this. The question is, do I use it?

Pros: daughter wants it; not costing me anything, so no money to support the wrong causes; in fact it has been paid for and I don't want to let Chick-Fil-A off the hook for a liability.

Con: I don't really care to look like I'm jumping in to endorse the wrong side of the culture war. (Not just patronizing Chick-Fil-A, but doing so with a party, with other people invited... kind of has the look and feel of making a political statement at the moment.)

Any thoughts?


This (to me) is a no-brainer.

Tell your daughter the truth (she's 11 not 2). Then let her weigh the issues and let her decide. This is an excellent opportunity to teach her that she might have to make decisions about issues that might impact her in one way, but someone else as well.

If she decides to decline going to CFA, offer her something else (or see what idea she might have). If she decides to go TO CFA, then go through with it, but (if it were me) I'd watch out for other opportunities to help her understand that her choices might indirectly have negative consequences for someone else in the hopes that she might better understand this as she gets older.

(But I'm betting that if presented with an informed choice, she'll do the right thing. Kids are MUCH smarter and just than we give them credit for.)
2012-09-19 10:00:14 PM
1 votes:

Kevin72: thismomentinblackhistory: Chick-Fil-A, Five Guys...these franchises people think are exotic because they aren't over saturated like McDonald's still really aren't all that great. It's like having sex with someone for the first time. Once it's over, you wonder what all the fuss was about.

While Five Guys wasn't as good as having sex with someone for the first time, I'm not wondering what the fuss was all about. It was great. And the sex with someone the first time was great too.


Yeah I think he is having sex wrong.
2012-09-19 09:55:20 PM
1 votes:

thismomentinblackhistory: Chick-Fil-A, Five Guys...these franchises people think are exotic because they aren't over saturated like McDonald's still really aren't all that great. It's like having sex with someone for the first time. Once it's over, you wonder what all the fuss was about.


While Five Guys wasn't as good as having sex with someone for the first time, I'm not wondering what the fuss was all about. It was great. And the sex with someone the first time was great too.
2012-09-19 09:45:52 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage,'" Cathy said. "I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about."

Fnck him, I'm still not eating there.



Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at.
2012-09-19 09:40:30 PM
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: jst3p: I will no longer support your restaurant and I will ask all my friends to no longer support you. We as Christians showed up to support you and you let us down.

I'm sure Jesus probably would approve of using his legacy as a socio-economic weapon....


Just for the record, I wasn't the one who said that.
2012-09-19 09:11:56 PM
1 votes:
You mean being bigots didn't help them increase their profits? Amazing.
2012-09-19 09:11:09 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: I will no longer support your restaurant and I will ask all my friends to no longer support you. We as Christians showed up to support you and you let us down.


I'm sure Jesus probably would approve of using his legacy as a socio-economic weapon....
2012-09-19 08:12:52 PM
1 votes:
Gotta love all the "Christians" getting angry at Chik-fil-A not being assholes trying to oppress American citizens anymore.

When God said "love your neighbor as yourself", were you all in the bathroom and missed it or something? How about letting consenting adults marry and love who they want and keep your damn noses out of their business.
2012-09-19 07:59:08 PM
1 votes:
I'm particularly fond of this post, especially because of the abysmal grammar:

Joseph Harrison posted to Chick-fil-A
19:20 (16 minutes ago)
I'm so dissapointed as is my wife and all of our church at the NBC news today telling us you would no longer be supporting the Christian groups for marriage between a man and a woman. We truly went out of our way to support you and patron your business but alas as christians. After the announcment today we find it impossible to do so anymore as this sickness is truly the devils handmaiden and when good people like yourselves do nothing..... well you know as well as I do what is inevitable. I hope this letter to you changes your heart as we need to cure the sick not condone the sickness.
2012-09-19 07:38:11 PM
1 votes:
I'm reading through this thread and I imagine that most of these Facebook replies are to white people what watching Cops: Los Angeles is to black people.

I'm so, so sorry white people. :(
2012-09-19 07:28:30 PM
1 votes:
I heart this thread so much.
2012-09-19 06:45:13 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: [fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net image 180x131] Susan Wishard
I will no longer support your restaurant and I will ask all my friends to no longer support you. We as Christians showed up to support you and you let us down.

Friends: 4 

Wishard? Wish hard for a decent stylist, am I right?


I read that first as "Wishtard." Works better that way, I think
2012-09-19 06:39:34 PM
1 votes:
lol "quiters"

Good one.
2012-09-19 06:38:09 PM
1 votes:
Jim Morehead
Well I just read the you caved in on your beliefs so you can open up more resturants in the North Chicago area. A Chick-Fil-A just opened up in Crystal Lake, Il and I have gone to this store 3 times a week for the last month or so to support your efforts. Well I will no longer go there as I do not support quiters.



So you are showing your distain for quitters by .... quitting?

Is that you Sarah Palin?

Oh and your heart just called chick-fil-a and thanked them. Three times a week? Wow.
2012-09-19 06:30:47 PM
1 votes:
They didn't want my lib dollars before, and they aren't getting them now.
2012-09-19 06:29:12 PM
1 votes:
It's weird, I'm as cynical as the next person and don't believe they are doing this out of a change of heart or conscience. But, I am glad that people were able to bring about some change for the better. I never cared what the CEO of Chick-fil-A believes, but I do care if the money is going to fund groups who actively discriminate and work to suppress the freedom of others. This is a good thing.
2012-09-19 06:27:18 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: jst3p:

"good on you, now I can eat there again"

But can they really, with a clear conscience?

I mean, CFA still believes the same bigoted garbage as before, and as pointed out, they have other baggage that isn't even being addressed.


Read my posts up thread, my stance is "no" but I respect others enough to let other positions slide.
2012-09-19 06:26:20 PM
1 votes:
fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net Dana Rhoads
I started to eat there more often after the Huckabee thing, but now not so sure. Tsk,Tsk. I liked your stand. Sad sad!



Difficulty: Which one is Dana?
2012-09-19 06:23:39 PM
1 votes:

jst3p:

"good on you, now I can eat there again"


But can they really, with a clear conscience?

I mean, CFA still believes the same bigoted garbage as before, and as pointed out, they have other baggage that isn't even being addressed.
2012-09-19 06:19:40 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: Wow these people commenting are real shiatstains.

How do they live with themselves?


There are lots of "good on you, now I can eat there again" posts too, I am just not mocking them.
2012-09-19 06:18:53 PM
1 votes:

SphericalTime: Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.

I don't know. I think saying that they were going to fund special rights for heterosexuals and then shuttting up long enough for the right wing to sponsor Chik-fil-A appreciation days was the advertising stunt. I think this is more along the lines of "crap, we need to get back to real work."



Nah, that'd be crazy.

They've spent god only knows how much money building their brand over the past several decades.

And it worked...they had a very strong brand, well-known and well-liked and considered a step above your average fast food restaurant in terms of quality, service, and the cleanliness & attractiveness of their stores. Just last week, my gay cousin and I were both lamenting the loss of Chick-fil-a as a dining option... him even more than me.

I was like "and I kept meaning to try that new peach milkshake, and then didn't get to" and he was like "it's really good... it was REALLY good."

Blowing all that goodwill and trashing your reputation that for a single day of good (or even amazing) receipts is crazy. It's going to take them years and and lots of money to undo the damage they did.
2012-09-19 06:15:25 PM
1 votes:
Wow these people commenting are real shiatstains.

How do they live with themselves?
2012-09-19 06:15:08 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: MacEnvy: Nabb1: MacEnvy: Stoj: Damnit. Now where are the anti-gay people going to eat? Bojangles' Famous Chicken 'n Biscuits?

Same place as before the controversy, Cracker Barrel.

Wait... What's wrong with Cracker Barrel?

Seriously? Well, this, for one:

Link

Most of that is farked up but this

"In 2004, an investigation by the US Justice Department found evidence that Cracker Barrel had been segregating customer seating by race; seating or serving white customers before seating or serving black customers; providing inferior service to black customers, and allowing white servers to refuse to wait on black customers."

I can understand. They don't tip.


Wow. I guess that's why they call it Cracker Barrel.
2012-09-19 06:11:34 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: [fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net image 180x213] Ginger Barber
Very disappointed in this company.


-via my mobile phone on my way to chik-fil-a coming from burger king

She's dissapointed but she will still eat there, just look at her. She is dissapointed every time she looks in the mirror, she still looks.


What the hell is wrong with you posting that out on the internet where decent, god-fearing people can see it? That face made me lose my religion. No loving God could create such a monstrosity.
2012-09-19 06:09:59 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: [fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net image 180x213] Ginger Barber
Very disappointed in this company.


-via my mobile phone on my way to chik-fil-a coming from burger king


On your way to chik-fil-a from burger king? Wow. Just... wow.
2012-09-19 06:08:26 PM
1 votes:

Super Chronic: I don't know what I'm going to do.


I wouldn't give them any business any more than I'd attend a free RNC barbecue. Showing up gives them the impression that they're being supported by the public.
2012-09-19 06:02:56 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Much like Komen, it's far too late to backpedal. The damage to the brand has been done.


To paraphrase a farker: They shiat in the punchbowl, and when people complained they took it out. No way I'm gonna drink that punch.
2012-09-19 06:02:03 PM
1 votes:
Yeah well CFA are still a bunch of fundie dipshiats.
Fark 'em.
2012-09-19 05:55:33 PM
1 votes:
Our Conservative friends said gays were violating Chick-Fil-A's first amendment rights by boycotting. Now they're boycotting Chick-Fil-A.

Conservatives. Bless their hearts.
2012-09-19 05:54:38 PM
1 votes:

Epoch_Zero: jst3p: Judging by this guys profile pic it is Obama:

[fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net image 180x180]If this recent news about you caving in to the Gaystapo is true, then don't expect me to pitch in any of my money towards you. You disgust me.


Gotta love "Gaystapo".

GIS "gaystapo"

[www.politifake.org image 640x594]

Run! The BrownPinkshirts are coming!


LOL.

/fark Ebay
2012-09-19 05:53:50 PM
1 votes:

Boudica's War Tampon: Brown Shorts


Oh, his is better.
2012-09-19 05:52:12 PM
1 votes:

Karne: Yep, here we go (from the Chik-fil-A Facebook page:


Karen-Chris Peale

Shame on this corporation for caving when it comes to the freedom of speech. So disgusted with you. People waited in line for an hour on August 1st to show their support. I have removed you from my likes page and will not be eating there too often. I've been known to get your salad 3 times a week. What a crime.


Here, Karen, let me help you with your butt-hurt.

2.bp.blogspot.com

Now that goes on your butt. It's not a salad dressing.
2012-09-19 05:50:46 PM
1 votes:

Karne: Yep, here we go (from the Chik-fil-A Facebook page:


Karen-Chris Peale

Shame on this corporation for caving when it comes to the freedom of speech. So disgusted with you. People waited in line for an hour on August 1st to show their support. I have removed you from my likes page and will not be eating there too often. I've been known to get your salad 3 times a week. What a crime.


Promote hate groups : a portion of the population stops buying your product totally.
Stop promoting hate groups : a portion of the population reduces the frequency of purchases to your establishment.

I think they want the incidental customers back, since their faithful followers can never give up their crack.
2012-09-19 05:47:46 PM
1 votes:
then not being bigoted assholes is causing them to get hatemail from bigoted assholes. Wonderful.
2012-09-19 05:46:11 PM
1 votes:

KiTTeNs_on_AciD: All I know is that if I see anyone, ANYONE, kicking puppies... they will be very, very sorry.

/ITG for puppies!


If I find anyone giving mind altering drugs to kittens, that's it!

But seriously, don't kick puppies.
2012-09-19 05:45:19 PM
1 votes:

Karne: Shame on this corporation for caving when it comes to the freedom of speech. So disgusted with you. People waited in line for an hour on August 1st to show their support. I have removed you from my likes page and will not be eating there too often. I've been known to get your salad 3 times a week. What a crime.


What a bunch of overly-touchy titty babies.
2012-09-19 05:44:47 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: Man, I'm hungry. A chicken sandwich would hit the freaking spot right now.

Yeah sometimes I get the urge to support outright bigotry too. Let's go.

Who said I was going to Chic-fil-A? That's all the way out at the mall. There are other places to get chicken sandwiches.

There certainly are.

But not too many are as tasty as Chick-fil-A.


I wouldn't know. The one time I had a chance to try it, it was Sunday and the store was closed.
2012-09-19 05:37:54 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: Epoch_Zero: feffer: Chick-Fil-A's facebook page is currently pretty amusing.

On purpose?

Maryann Barlett
I am SO disappointed. I stood in line for almost 2 hours, with my husband and children-along with hundreds of others-to show my support for your stand on traditional marriage.....and now you are caving in. This is a slap in the face to all of those people who supported you. I hope it is worth it to you, because we will no longer eat at your restaurants.


HA HA! You waited two hours for a crappy sandwich then they sold out!


She probably needed a slap in the face for being a hateful bigot. I find their outrage satisfying... almost sandwich-like.
2012-09-19 05:34:36 PM
1 votes:

Epoch_Zero: feffer: Chick-Fil-A's facebook page is currently pretty amusing.

On purpose?


fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.netPamela Joan Wolfe
Heard cfa going to stop supporting groups that may be seen as anti gay DONT DO IT!!! Don't give in to worldly pressure Continue to stand for what our Savior died for. Everyone has freedom to support whatever they want. Stand firm chick fil a!!!!



She looks like she eats there a lot.
2012-09-19 05:34:02 PM
1 votes:

madgonad: I'm happy that CFA caved. I really like spending my money on quality products served by people that know something about customer service.


So you don't mind them being bigoted fundie sh*theads about something else, just so long as they've "caved" on supporting anti-gay stuff.

M'kay...
2012-09-19 05:33:19 PM
1 votes:

Great Porn Dragon: I do think it's a Good Thing that Chick-Fil-A has (at least for now--we'll have to watch them) stopped funding at least the SPLC-listed dominionist anti-LGBT hate groups....


I consider myself a reasonably well-informed person, but I must admit I'd never heard the term "dominionist." So I went and looked it up, and then I read a couple articles about Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann and their ties to the movement, and now I feel ALL ICKY, and I hope you're proud of yourself, Mister.
2012-09-19 05:33:03 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: Man, I'm hungry. A chicken sandwich would hit the freaking spot right now.

Yeah sometimes I get the urge to support outright bigotry too. Let's go.

Who said I was going to Chic-fil-A? That's all the way out at the mall. There are other places to get chicken sandwiches.


There certainly are.
2012-09-19 05:32:13 PM
1 votes:

Epoch_Zero: feffer: Chick-Fil-A's facebook page is currently pretty amusing.

On purpose?


Maryann Barlett
I am SO disappointed. I stood in line for almost 2 hours, with my husband and children-along with hundreds of others-to show my support for your stand on traditional marriage.....and now you are caving in. This is a slap in the face to all of those people who supported you. I hope it is worth it to you, because we will no longer eat at your restaurants.



HA HA! You waited two hours for a crappy sandwich then they sold out!
2012-09-19 05:30:36 PM
1 votes:

Super Chronic: So, someone help me out with my ethical dilemma.

Some time ago, my 11-year-old daughter won a drawing: free party for 15 at Chick-Fil-A. Now, even before the marriage controversy, I kind of scoffed at this, because who the hell has a party at Chick-Fil-A? But being an 11-year-old girl, she really wants this. The question is, do I use it?

Pros: daughter wants it; not costing me anything, so no money to support the wrong causes; in fact it has been paid for and I don't want to let Chick-Fil-A off the hook for a liability.

Con: I don't really care to look like I'm jumping in to endorse the wrong side of the culture war. (Not just patronizing Chick-Fil-A, but doing so with a party, with other people invited... kind of has the look and feel of making a political statement at the moment.)

Any thoughts?


Have her party somewhere else. Yes, you're going to pay for it, or solicit donations, but as it's pointed out, even if Chick-Fil-A claims they've stopped supporting anti-gay causes, they still have some other baggage.
(See: Policies towards pregnant women)
2012-09-19 05:30:22 PM
1 votes:

feffer: Chick-Fil-A's facebook page is currently pretty amusing.


On purpose?
2012-09-19 05:29:21 PM
1 votes:

Super Chronic: So, someone help me out with my ethical dilemma.

Some time ago, my 11-year-old daughter won a drawing: free party for 15 at Chick-Fil-A. Now, even before the marriage controversy, I kind of scoffed at this, because who the hell has a party at Chick-Fil-A? But being an 11-year-old girl, she really wants this. The question is, do I use it?

Pros: daughter wants it; not costing me anything, so no money to support the wrong causes; in fact it has been paid for and I don't want to let Chick-Fil-A off the hook for a liability.

Con: I don't really care to look like I'm jumping in to endorse the wrong side of the culture war. (Not just patronizing Chick-Fil-A, but doing so with a party, with other people invited... kind of has the look and feel of making a political statement at the moment.)

Any thoughts?


Do it, your daughter wants it. If you aren't giving them any money you're not supporting anything terrible and are also getting free food. If anyone brings it up, just ask them not to talk politics at your daughter's party.

Or, megaphone the entire party about how you don't like their policies. That would be funny too.
2012-09-19 05:28:38 PM
1 votes:
In the battle of Almighty God vs. Almighty Dollar the dollar always wins. Yet people still insist they actually believe.
2012-09-19 05:21:12 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: MacEnvy: Stoj: Damnit. Now where are the anti-gay people going to eat? Bojangles' Famous Chicken 'n Biscuits?

Same place as before the controversy, Cracker Barrel.

Wait... What's wrong with Cracker Barrel?


Seriously? Well, this, for one:

Link
2012-09-19 05:20:19 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Man, I'm hungry. A chicken sandwich would hit the freaking spot right now.


So go to Chick-Fil-A and get a sandwich, who's stopping you?
2012-09-19 05:19:01 PM
1 votes:
All I know is that if I see anyone, ANYONE, kicking puppies... they will be very, very sorry.

/ITG for puppies!
2012-09-19 05:16:02 PM
1 votes:

ladodger34: Sane Folks: "Hey, Chick-Fil-A, we can't go to your stores anymore because you actively support groups that are strongly anti-gay and have wandered off into hate group land".

Palin Americans: "How dare you. We will line up and eat chicken sandwiches to support the hate mongers. It's free speech and stuff ya know."

Chick-Fil-A: "Yay, we set record profits for ONE day"

Meanwhile,a few weeks later:

Chick-Fil-A : "Maybe we should rethink this policy, Perhaps the boycott thing is really hurting us."

Sane Americans: "You stopped donating to hate groups, but that isn't good enough for us!"

Look, I get that it would probably be prudent for the CFA folks to extend and olive branch and do a little more the LGBT community. But wasn't the point of the protests to get them to stop donating to the hate groups? And now that they have, it's too little too late?


How about this?

Masterstuff: I stopped going when Dan Cathy announced that he and ChickFilA were "guilty as charged" in funding hate groups. I'll return when Dan Cathy announces an apology in person and not in the form of a memo or press release.

His statement started it - a statement will end it.
2012-09-19 05:15:51 PM
1 votes:

austerity101: It's more like this:

Angry Man: "I'm going to stop giving this guy money until he stops kicks puppies!"

Guy: "Sorry about the kicking puppies. I've stopped doing that."

Angry Man: "I'm not giving this guy money because he used to kick puppies!"


For some. For some of us it is like this.

"That guy is a dick, because he kicks puppies. I am not giving him money anymore!"

"OK, I stopped kicking puppies"

"So, how about all those puppeies you kicked in the past, what are you doing for them?"

"Want to buy some chicken?"
2012-09-19 05:13:09 PM
1 votes:

Aphrodisiac: My local Chick-Fil-A lost quite a bit of business. They had a pretty regular morning crowd of moms and kids that took their business down the street to McDonalds. It was almost their entire non drive through customer base. Sure they got a boost that one support Chick-Fil-A day but those people are not their normal crowd and have since forgotten about the issue and moved on. The 'Liberals' that they drove away are the ones that dont suffer from long term memory loss and simply haven't come back. Since Chick-Fil-A only targets upscale suburban areas, their markets have a high 'Liberal' population that has now almost completely abandoned them. Just from driving by, its pretty obvious that they have lost more than half of their business.


Sure, "Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day" gave them record sales...for that day. But, since they're normally closed every Sunday, I figured the "EAT MOR GAY-HATIN' CHICKN" day just wound up making up for a month or two of those missing business days, and wouldn't make any difference in the long term.
2012-09-19 05:08:25 PM
1 votes:
Are they going to stop firing pregnant women for their own good? So that they're no longer forced to work at Chick-fil-A and can be stay at home mothers?
2012-09-19 05:06:44 PM
1 votes:
It's a somewhat admirable bit of backpedaling, but honestly, I'd love to see them completely go out of business and be totally forgotten by modern man.
2012-09-19 05:06:18 PM
1 votes:
Almost there. They've been upgraded from total boycott to I'll eat it if somebody else is paying.
2012-09-19 04:40:03 PM
1 votes:
Has Bigot Chicken changed their hiring practices yet? Last I heard unless you are the right kind of Xian you are not likely to get past an interview.
2012-09-19 04:40:01 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Huh. There's just no pleasing some people.


your mom is a whore.


i won't say your mom is a whore any more.


now you have to be pleased.
2012-09-19 04:38:48 PM
1 votes:
Huh. There's just no pleasing some people.
2012-09-19 04:05:23 PM
1 votes:

popstop: Oh man, do I love Popeye's. If I ever found out they gave to anti-gay groups, I would be heartbroken.


t2.gstatic.com
2012-09-19 03:46:53 PM
1 votes:
Popeyes tastes better and isn't crowded with bigots.
2012-09-19 03:32:32 PM
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Fine, these analogies are lousy, but I'm trying to understand this continued battle.


i guess if you see it as a boycott and as an effort to change behavior, that makes sense.

if you see 'you know what, fark that guy, i'm not giving him any money' as the situation, then altering the behavior really doesn't matter. the guy hollering 'BUT GOD DIDN'T WANT MARRIAGE CHANGED' is always a fatuous gasbag who doesn't even read his supposed holy text (god was apparently really jiggy with polygamy. why'd they change that 'traditional' marriage?) and i'll be frigged if i put another dollar in his pocket.

the 'i want to change their behavior' and 'ya know what, fark that guy' seems the bright line distinction to me, at least.

and again, we are talking about a chicken joint...it really doesn't take much to convince me the drive thru a block up the road is a better place to get my bag full of artery clogging...this was enough for me. if you really, really, really want a bag of chicken jibblets, go forth and get it - if the change in behavior was what you were after, hooray - i wasn't. i just don't feel like giving any money to these particular dickbags.
2012-09-19 03:15:47 PM
1 votes:
Arby's please...
  ts4.mm.bing.net
2012-09-19 02:57:54 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, back when "Chick-Fil-A Wednesday" happened, a the stance I agreed with was this: A business is kept afloat by repeated sales. Yes, Chick-Fil-A did a lot of business on one day, but all of the people who went there were probably not going to change their eating habits in the long term - they weren't going to be spending appreciably more money at Chick-Fil-A than they did before the boycott. On the other hand, there were a ton of people who ate at Chick-Fil-A before the boycott, then realized "Holy fark, these people hate everything I stand for; I'm never eating there again." In the long term, there would be a significant net loss of customers.

It's starting to look like that viewpoint was correct. I hope.

/Also, I would agree that the damage to the brand has already been done
2012-09-19 02:54:56 PM
1 votes:

PolloDiablo: Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.

I've seen this sentiment a lot today, and it's farking ridiculous.

I'll repeat what I said in another thread, people complained loudly, and Chick-fil-a took notice and fixed the problem. While I'm not naive enough to think it was anything more than a purely business-minded decision, I still think they deserve credit for making this kind of change when they know they're going to seriously piss off all of the evangelicals and conservatives who were championing them during the whole media shiat storm.

This is quite literally the entire point of having a boycott.


So very much this.

I'd like to know more about why they did it, and I don't think it's just because of trying to get into Chicago. I suspect it might also have been because they were losing support in a very key demographic - young people. Young people love Chick-Fil-A. Young Christians even moreso. But a lot of them, Christians included, are not only OK with gay marriage, they wonder why it's not already legal everywhere. Perhaps after the initial burst of business in August, they are realizing that sales are down among demographics that used to be pretty solid. While young people don't always vote at the ballot box, they will vote with their wallets.

A lot of churches have events there and get them to cater church-events. Most southern potlucks have a tray of Chick-Fil-A nuggets. Now, while some churches certainly doubled down on their support, others may have quietly stopped having events there. Again, we go back to the youth. A good way to draw in a good crowd of teens is to have a youth gathering at Chick-Fil-A. However, the teens may have decided to have those gatherings elsewhere because they didn't want to be tarred with the anti-gay brush. It's hard to appeal to fellow teenagers when your sales pitch is "Join us in supporting bigotry." A lot of churches, while still preaching against gay marriage, may not have wanted to alienate potential new members by overtly supporting Chick-Fil-A. They still believe what they believe, but perhaps they decided they didn't need bad PR.

The radio station I listen to used to have events at Chick-Fil-A every once in a while, but after this all came out, they haven't had one event. (One of their crew is openly gay.) I suspect this is true of other radio stations that would do events at Chick-Fil-A. They certainly didn't need the bad press of guilt by association because they are appealing to a wide audience, one that's increasingly supportive of gay rights.

All this to say that it might not have been the public voices of dissent, though who knows, but the quieter consequences, realizing that people just stopped coming around. They didn't make a fuss, they just left and went somewhere else. Perhaps they didn't want to become known as the anti-gay chicken restaraunt, because that doesn't exactly lend itself to mainstream success. This chain doesn't want to be a niche market, they want to be everywhere. But I suspect they realized that until they give up their anti-gay finanical support, that wasn't going to happen.

They'll still believe what they want to believe, as is their right. As long as I know my money won't be used to hurt gays, then I'm cool with them, and I suspect others will be as well. That was the sticking issue. Not their opinion, but their actions supporting causes that hurt people we care about.
2012-09-19 02:51:31 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: I wonder the same.

You don't have to be naive and say "Oh, they've seen the light and are doing the right thing for the right reason." But hating them despite their change makes no sense either. We should dissuade bad behavior and reward good behavior.

If you beat a dog regardless of what it does it won't learn a thing.,/i>

Exactly. I don't have any doubts that the CEO is still a homophobic douchebag. But the company is no longer donating to hate groups. His influence has been severely limited now, since his money is no longer funding hate. That is a good thing, by any measure.

And this "IT'S NOT ENOUGH" attitude is not only sending a stupid message to chic-fil-a, but every other restaurant. It might make them see that even if they give in, they gain nothing. But if people saw that chic-fil-a got more money after the change, it might make them either drop any policy of discrimination they have, or not get involved in that in the first place.

Some people just need to hate to feel superior. That character flaw knows no ideological boundaries.

QFT

2012-09-19 02:47:10 PM
1 votes:

Aphrodisiac: My local Chick-Fil-A lost quite a bit of business. They had a pretty regular morning crowd of moms and kids that took their business down the street to McDonalds. It was almost their entire non drive through customer base. Sure they got a boost that one support Chick-Fil-A day but those people are not their normal crowd and have since forgotten about the issue and moved on. The 'Liberals' that they drove away are the ones that dont suffer from long term memory loss and simply haven't come back. Since Chick-Fil-A only targets upscale suburban areas, their markets have a high 'Liberal' population that has now almost completely abandoned them. Just from driving by, its pretty obvious that they have lost more than half of their business.


Hmm...y'know, now that you mention it, I've never noticed a CFA in a "bad" (or even slightly-low-side-of-average) part of town.
2012-09-19 02:37:42 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: Diogenes: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: How does continuing to hate them do any good? Have you not heard of both the carrot AND the stick?

(You don't HAVE to eat there if you don't want though)

Some people prefer revenge to rehabilitation.

You have to wonder if chick-fil-a will go back on this as a direct result of these attitudes. If the internet boycott is effective in changing their minds, the reactions they see on the internet might change their minds yet again.

They might start thinking "Well, these people who boycotted us are moving the goal posts and still refusing to eat here and raising a huge fuss on the internet, so what , fundamentally, have we lost by giving into them? We might as well start giving to those groups again, because at least it caused some people to buy more of our product. "


I wonder the same.

You don't have to be naive and say "Oh, they've seen the light and are doing the right thing for the right reason." But hating them despite their change makes no sense either. We should dissuade bad behavior and reward good behavior.

If you beat a dog regardless of what it does it won't learn a thing.

Some people just need to hate to feel superior. That character flaw knows no ideological boundaries.
2012-09-19 02:27:25 PM
1 votes:

JohnnyC: So now conservatives are going to boycott them?


Doubtful. When they got all up-in-arms about Oreos, they never asked Chick-Fil-A to stop selling its Cookies and Cream Milkshakes.
2012-09-19 02:24:59 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Mr_Ectomy: Freep

I haven't been able to find a story there about this.


Link
2012-09-19 02:24:06 PM
1 votes:

sammyk: They do know the bigots that showed up in droves a month ago will turn on them in an instant don't they? Might have to wander over to freeperville to see the butthurt.


Just did a Google search and saw a few links to the "buycott" from August.

"Post your Chick-Fil-A after action reports HERE! - Free Republic"

Really? "After action reports?"

For a Freeper, standing in line for fried chicken sandwiches = combat.

THE FIGHTING 101ST KEYBOARDERS!

Anyway, on this particular news item, there's this:

Another "When did you stop beating your wife?" article.

This is the 2nd FR article so far today that is outright attempting to LIE to us.

And many FReepers are swallowing this load as fast as the enemedia can squeeze it out.


A few references to "bending over" (they sure are obsessed with thinking about gay buttsecks), and a lot of people saying "Well, I'll wait and see."

You'll have to pry that chicken sandwich from their fat, greasy fingers.
2012-09-19 02:19:44 PM
1 votes:

Empty Matchbook: PolloDiablo: Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.

I've seen this sentiment a lot today, and it's farking ridiculous.

I'll repeat what I said in another thread, people complained loudly, and Chick-fil-a took notice and fixed the problem. While I'm not naive enough to think it was anything more than a purely business-minded decision, I still think they deserve credit for making this kind of change when they know they're going to seriously piss off all of the evangelicals and conservatives who were championing them during the whole media shiat storm.

This is quite literally the entire point of having a boycott.

This. I don't care WHY someone gives money to a charity, I care THAT they give money to a charity.


Yeah that makes you really naive bordering on stupid. I will explain why in the following sentences, however you already established it doesn't matter to you WHY. Presumably whether I have a good reason or a bad reason to call you stupid is irrelevant.

The WHY matters when predicting future actions. Let's first start with your analogy:

In 2012, Person A gives $100 to charity because they feel a societal responsibility to help those less fortunate.
In 2012, Person B gives $100 to charity because they want the tax write off.

Today Person A and Person B are equal, sure why not. Upon election, President Romney will change the tax code to no longer allow charitable donations as tax write offs. What will Person A and Person B do in 2013? Yup, you guessed it, person A still feels a societal responsibility but person B says fark that.

Let's move back to Chick Fil A.

A) They realized being anti-gay was bad, regret it and stopped donating to anti-gay places.
B) They lost money on the protests so they stopped donating to anti-gay places but they are still very anti-gay.

What if tomorrow, conservatives begin boycotting? What if 10 years from now this all completely blows over and it's no big deal and everyone forgets? Well, if it was reason (A) then Chick Fil A won't care, they changed their minds about being anti-gay. If it's (B) then they'll donate to anti-gay places again.

Now you see why the WHY matters.
2012-09-19 02:19:40 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: How does continuing to hate them do any good? Have you not heard of both the carrot AND the stick?

(You don't HAVE to eat there if you don't want though)

Some people prefer revenge to rehabilitation.


You have to wonder if chick-fil-a will go back on this as a direct result of these attitudes. If the internet boycott is effective in changing their minds, the reactions they see on the internet might change their minds yet again.

They might start thinking "Well, these people who boycotted us are moving the goal posts and still refusing to eat here and raising a huge fuss on the internet, so what , fundamentally, have we lost by giving into them? We might as well start giving to those groups again, because at least it caused some people to buy more of our product. "
2012-09-19 02:14:50 PM
1 votes:
Frak them, i'm still not eating there. They still fought on the wrong side of civil rights, and I see no reason to give them any of my hard earned money.
2012-09-19 02:08:52 PM
1 votes:
I don't avoid you because you give money to anti-rights groups. I avoid you because you're fundamentally anti-rights yourself. If you fixed the latter problem, the former would resolve spontaneously. Fixing the first problem, however, does nothing about the latter.

/ actually it's because your chicken is awful and tastes like it's been soaking in a brine for four weeks, but I'll pretend it's about some noble cause...
2012-09-19 02:06:53 PM
1 votes:
Give money to pro GLBT groups or fark off.
2012-09-19 02:06:40 PM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: scottydoesntknow: So when are the christians going to start screaming that CFA is being oppressed and this is a conspiracy by the gay agenda?

To be fair, it kind of was the gay agenda this time.


When I think 'gay agenda' I think more of a conspiracy group out to turn everyone into sinful, hedonistic homosexuals, not the fight for equality, which should be everyone's agenda.
2012-09-19 02:06:20 PM
1 votes:

heavymetal: They did something "good". I think we should encourage them to continue rather than scorn them for their past mistakes. What I am curious is how will all my friends who were so passionate about supporting Chick-Fil-A's first amendment right to support discrimination, will react to Chick-Fil-A using their first amendment right to correct that wrong. I want to see if they turn hypocrite and how they will spin it. I will get great joy watching this moral dilemma happen.


Ha...yeah. I lost a lot of respect for some family during that whole debacle. Mainly because they wouldn't come right out and say, "I am supporting Chick Fil A because I agree with their anti-gay stance." Instead, when pressed for why they were posting pro-CFA crap all over their facebook wall, they would sputter something about how they were,"...supporting Chick Fil A's right to free speech!!" Oh, biatch please...will you just grow a pair and be honest?
2012-09-19 02:03:44 PM
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My preferred meal at Chic-Fil-A was 1440 calories. It's gonna take a lot more than switching from active bigotry to passive bigotry to convince me to start doing that again.
2012-09-19 02:00:57 PM
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Di Atribe: They acted shiatty, people called them out on it, they changed course. What more do you want them to do?


They're still evil people. They wouldn't have done what they did in the first place, otherwise.
2012-09-19 02:00:18 PM
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I don't believe Chick-Fil-A. Anything it says is a lie. Even if it donated $100,000 to GLAAD, I'd still say it was "up to something" and would urge GLAAD to not accept it.
2012-09-19 01:58:44 PM
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sorry, for the same reason I won't drink coors products, shop at wal-mart, or eat at jimmy john's you're on the fascist bastid list and ain't getting none of my money.

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2012-09-19 01:57:50 PM
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To arms! To arms! Delicious chicken arms. I think they're called wings. I don't know, I only eat the skin.
2012-09-19 01:56:46 PM
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Stoj: Damnit. Now where are the anti-gay people going to eat? Bojangles' Famous Chicken 'n Biscuits?


I'd rather they just starve to death.
2012-09-19 01:56:24 PM
1 votes:
That's wonderful. I really like their sandwiches, and I didn't enjoy going without them. Now I can eat them again. This is good because there's one within reasonable walking distance of my office.

(I will still refer to it as bigotchicken, but I'll eat it)
2012-09-19 01:53:47 PM
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thismomentinblackhistory: Chick-Fil-A, Five Guys...these franchises people think are exotic because they aren't over saturated like McDonald's still really aren't all that great. It's like having sex with someone for the first time. Once it's over, you wonder what all the fuss was about.


Yeah, but it's still sex and when you're not getting any it's nice to even get something boring and plain.
2012-09-19 01:53:31 PM
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Wait, so your religious values DIDN'T mandate that you donate to hate groups?
2012-09-19 01:53:19 PM
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Bontesla: This is impossible. You see, I was informed that a boycott wouldn't be effective.


This.

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You mean Sarah Palin and the Hover-round crew didn't keep coming back after their photo ops? I am a shocked.
2012-09-19 01:44:14 PM
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thismomentinblackhistory: Chick-Fil-A, Five Guys...these franchises people think are exotic because they aren't over saturated like McDonald's still really aren't all that great. It's like having sex with someone for the first time. Once it's over, you wonder what all the fuss was about.


*sniff* You told me I was the best you ever had!
2012-09-19 01:33:52 PM
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I didn't eat there before the issue came to light. I won't likely eat there now. But I will say, "Good."

I don't care for the food. The waffle fries are kinda good but hardly worth going out of my way for.
2012-09-19 01:31:58 PM
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Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.


It's too late? Does it have to be? I really miss me some Chick Fil A deliciousness.
2012-09-19 01:20:47 PM
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They do know the bigots that showed up in droves a month ago will turn on them in an instant don't they? Might have to wander over to freeperville to see the butthurt.
2012-09-19 01:18:40 PM
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scottydoesntknow: So when are the christians going to start screaming that CFA is being oppressed and this is a conspiracy by the gay agenda?


Anybody got the response from Family Research Council or Focus on the Family?
2012-09-19 12:58:56 PM
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Saborlas: Too little, too late. And you're only doing it as an advertising stunt, not because it's the right thing to do.


I don't know. I think saying that they were going to fund special rights for heterosexuals and then shuttting up long enough for the right wing to sponsor Chik-fil-A appreciation days was the advertising stunt. I think this is more along the lines of "crap, we need to get back to real work."
2012-09-19 12:56:27 PM
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So, do we all just copy & paste our comments from the other (shot down) thread?
2012-09-19 12:55:09 PM
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The only time business and politics should mix is when you're paying off your Congressman.
2012-09-19 12:52:30 PM
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So when are the christians going to start screaming that CFA is being oppressed and this is a conspiracy by the gay agenda?
 
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