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(Salon)   Pat Buchanan: Obama is the welfare president. Wink, wink. He likes to steal and mooch your money and give it to baby mamas. If you know what I mean. He's like a drug dealer of welfare. ...Was that too far?   (salon.com) divider line 128
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2012-09-19 12:27:16 PM
"Don't pay federal Income Tax" = "On Welfare"

Gotcha, hoss.
 
2012-09-19 12:27:22 PM
Pat Buchanan is just like you. He loves grape soda.
 
2012-09-19 12:27:28 PM
We get it, he's an attractive and successful African-American! Don't try and pussyfoot around it, Pat.
 
2012-09-19 12:27:33 PM
It's really only a news story when Buchanan says something that isn't remarkably bigoted and ignorant.
 
2012-09-19 12:27:43 PM
Does anyone else seem to find it odd that the head of the "party of personal responsibility" literally refuses to ever apologize, for anything, ever?
 
2012-09-19 12:28:32 PM
Evil never dies. Pat Buchanan proves this.
 
2012-09-19 12:29:15 PM
Those poor single mothers are the cause of all of our problems.
 
2012-09-19 12:30:18 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-19 12:31:12 PM

LasersHurt: "Don't pay federal Income Tax" = "On Welfare"

Gotcha, hoss.


Not "welfare" per se but if you're not paying income taxes you're getting everything that income tax provides for free.
 
2012-09-19 12:31:37 PM
I give the GOP a week before they put out the Wllie Horton ad.
 
2012-09-19 12:32:28 PM

amiable: Does anyone else seem to find it odd that the head of the "party of personal responsibility" literally refuses to ever apologize, for anything, ever?


You can't apologizing for doing everything right.

/Now my computer is smoking
//And now my pants
///everything is on fire
 
2012-09-19 12:32:33 PM

Rann Xerox: Evil never dies. Pat Buchanan proves this.


Hmm
Given: Pat Buchanan is evil
Given: Pat Buchanan has never died.
Therefore By transitive property Evil never dies.
 
2012-09-19 12:33:33 PM

amiable: Does anyone else seem to find it odd that the head of the "party of personal responsibility" literally refuses to ever apologize, for anything, ever?


No, they make people apologize to them, like getting shot in the face.

Romney essentially calls 47% of the country lazy, but its OBAMA who is the real monster.
 
2012-09-19 12:34:16 PM
Oh look, he's selling a book!
 
2012-09-19 12:35:48 PM

skullkrusher: LasersHurt: "Don't pay federal Income Tax" = "On Welfare"

Gotcha, hoss.

Not "welfare" per se but if you're not paying income taxes you're getting everything that income tax provides for free.


Minus the ones who are on payroll tax, yeah? That's less, but it's not free. And they're working, so they'd be paying Income Tax if they made enough. Fair to point out they benefit, but they're certainly not freeloading.
 
2012-09-19 12:35:50 PM
www.damnthatsracist.com
Pat Buchanan - Danger Seeker
 
2012-09-19 12:37:05 PM
It probably sounded better in its original German.
 
2012-09-19 12:37:52 PM
Pat Buchanan is a racist.

No exaggeration or name calling or 'playing the race card' or anything like that. He's a straight up racist.
 
2012-09-19 12:40:26 PM
i45.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-19 12:40:35 PM
I don't know about you guys but I'm jonesin' for some welfare up in this biatch ...
 
2012-09-19 12:40:53 PM

amiable: Does anyone else seem to find it odd that the head of the "party of personal responsibility" literally refuses to ever apologize, for anything, ever?


Goddamnit, I'm so sick of hearing this!!!

If they were responsible for any of this, they would take responsibilty. G u a r a n t e e d.

It's also NOT THEIR FAULT for anything else at all, so don't be looking for them to take responsibility for everyone else's mistakes.

Jesus, you libbies won't take responsibility for anything, will you?

/how's that?
 
2012-09-19 12:41:01 PM

LasersHurt: skullkrusher: LasersHurt: "Don't pay federal Income Tax" = "On Welfare"

Gotcha, hoss.

Not "welfare" per se but if you're not paying income taxes you're getting everything that income tax provides for free.

Minus the ones who are on payroll tax, yeah? That's less, but it's not free. And they're working, so they'd be paying Income Tax if they made enough. Fair to point out they benefit, but they're certainly not freeloading.


payroll tax and income tax are two different things and support different programs and budgets. The nature of taxation is that some portion of the population will be freeloading (paying less than they benefit). Otherwise we'd be sent a bill each year for per capita cost of services.

If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.
 
2012-09-19 12:41:59 PM

Mike_LowELL: Pat Buchanan is just like you. He loves grape soda.


He knows what it's like when the people at the store won't take your "food stamps."

He hates waiting around all month for your "welfare check."

Heeeeeeeyyy, hoooooooo..... Heeeeey, hooooooo.

Thank you.
 
2012-09-19 12:43:05 PM
He added that President Obama is "a Fabian socialist [who] wants to move through gradualism and reform step by step until a majority of Americans are dependent upon government."

www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2012-09-19 12:43:35 PM
There is no God. Proof: Pat Buchanan continues to live.
 
2012-09-19 12:43:54 PM
He didn't even say "like" a drug dealer.

"Barack Obama is a drug dealer of welfare."

The GOP has no idea the rest of the country isn't 8 years old.

Terrorists hate us for our freedoms, the national debt is like when mom and dad help you buy that rocketcar even though you don't get allowance till Friday (but a LOT bigger), socialism is when the government takes some of your allowance and gives it to the poor kid down the street because he doesn't have any. No, not your friend Travis. Who? No. I mean the smelly kid whose house always smells like weird food. What? Okay, fine, like when the government takes your allowance and gives it to Rahul. Huh? Of course he's poor. It doesn't matter how many PS3 games he has. Vacation to Disney World? Well, see, that's exactly what I mean! His family didn't want to work hard, so instead, the government takes your allowance and gives it to him, so he can go to Disney World, just because they think they deserve it!

... I don't CARE if he's nice. You'll be in a lot of trouble if you want to give your money away to people just because it's "nice." Pretty soon you'll be poor too.

No, nobody's going to be nice to you and help you get to Disney World too. Why?

fark it. No more allowance.
 
2012-09-19 12:46:04 PM

Epoch_Zero: There is no God. Proof: Pat Buchanan Mike Huckabee continues to live.


Ok, I'm sure there's more.
 
2012-09-19 12:46:20 PM
Buchanan continued by comparing government relief to a "narcotic," so "if it's a narcotic, Barack Obama is a drug dealer of welfare. He wants permanent dependency."

At this point, I would like to ask a practical question...What exactly is Barack Obama's motivation for making Americans dependent on the Federal government? In the bset case scenerio, Obama will be the leader of the country for four more years. How does he benefit from making you and I need services of a government that he will no longer be an active part of in 2017? Now, I understand how a man who was VP of Halliburton can profit by setting it up so that his company is in position to receive government funding for years to come, but I have yet to figure out how increasing the number of people on welfare can enrich Barack Obama. No one has bothered to explain it.
 
2012-09-19 12:46:38 PM

skullkrusher: LasersHurt: skullkrusher: LasersHurt: "Don't pay federal Income Tax" = "On Welfare"

Gotcha, hoss.

Not "welfare" per se but if you're not paying income taxes you're getting everything that income tax provides for free.

Minus the ones who are on payroll tax, yeah? That's less, but it's not free. And they're working, so they'd be paying Income Tax if they made enough. Fair to point out they benefit, but they're certainly not freeloading.

payroll tax and income tax are two different things and support different programs and budgets. The nature of taxation is that some portion of the population will be freeloading (paying less than they benefit). Otherwise we'd be sent a bill each year for per capita cost of services.

If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.


What a freeloader might look like.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-19 12:47:12 PM
Only the good die young.
 
2012-09-19 12:47:15 PM

skullkrusher: LasersHurt: "Don't pay federal Income Tax" = "On Welfare"

Gotcha, hoss.

Not "welfare" per se but if you're not paying income taxes you're getting everything that income tax provides for free.


Let's take an example of a person who works a regular steady $20,000 job and doesn't take any assistance like food stamps. They're a frugal, thrifty person and can make it work. They take all the tax deductions they can legally take come April 15th, which I'm sure Mitt Romney would approve of. Turns out their federal income tax liability is $0. Is such a person "freeloading" or are they simply following the tax law that the People have voted on and nothing more?
 
2012-09-19 12:48:29 PM

skullkrusher: LasersHurt: skullkrusher: LasersHurt: "Don't pay federal Income Tax" = "On Welfare"

Gotcha, hoss.

Not "welfare" per se but if you're not paying income taxes you're getting everything that income tax provides for free.

Minus the ones who are on payroll tax, yeah? That's less, but it's not free. And they're working, so they'd be paying Income Tax if they made enough. Fair to point out they benefit, but they're certainly not freeloading.

payroll tax and income tax are two different things and support different programs and budgets. The nature of taxation is that some portion of the population will be freeloading (paying less than they benefit). Otherwise we'd be sent a bill each year for per capita cost of services.

If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.


If you're going to pretend to be impartial, you may need to stop calling everyone with a net gain a "freeloader."
 
2012-09-19 12:50:29 PM

skullkrusher: If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.


3,000 people with an income of $2 million or more paid no income taxes last year. Are they also freeloaders?

/cuts both ways, Jack.
 
2012-09-19 12:50:56 PM
Buchanan didn't throw the Jews into his diatribe. The old douche must be slipping.
 
2012-09-19 12:52:58 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.

3,000 people with an income of $2 million or more paid no income taxes last year. Are they also freeloaders?

/cuts both ways, Jack.


yeah, sure it does. So much for your point, eh "Jack"?
 
2012-09-19 12:54:25 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.

3,000 people with an income of $2 million or more paid no income taxes last year. Are they also freeloaders?

/cuts both ways, Jack.


I think I'd just like people on the right to realize that 99% of our society protects them. You wouldn't steal from a poor person because they don't have shiat, the poor don't need intellectual property protections, etc. and if we were invaded by a foreign power, poor people would probably be the last against the wall.

Almost everything the government does is exclusively to benefit the wealthy. Why the big problem with paying taxes?
 
2012-09-19 12:57:35 PM

LasersHurt: skullkrusher: LasersHurt: skullkrusher: LasersHurt: "Don't pay federal Income Tax" = "On Welfare"

Gotcha, hoss.

Not "welfare" per se but if you're not paying income taxes you're getting everything that income tax provides for free.

Minus the ones who are on payroll tax, yeah? That's less, but it's not free. And they're working, so they'd be paying Income Tax if they made enough. Fair to point out they benefit, but they're certainly not freeloading.

payroll tax and income tax are two different things and support different programs and budgets. The nature of taxation is that some portion of the population will be freeloading (paying less than they benefit). Otherwise we'd be sent a bill each year for per capita cost of services.

If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.

If you're going to pretend to be impartial, you may need to stop calling everyone with a net gain a "freeloader."


pretending to be impartial with regards to what? If you receive more than you pay for, you're freeloading. It is not meant to have any connotations. What would you prefer to call it? Benefiting at another's expense? That sounds worse. It is what it is, man. Calling someone a "parasite". Now THAT had connotations. Note, I have not done that nor do I find such a thing appropriate.
 
2012-09-19 12:59:03 PM

oldass31: Let's take an example of a person who works a regular steady $20,000 job and doesn't take any assistance like food stamps. They're a frugal, thrifty person and can make it work. They take all the tax deductions they can legally take come April 15th, which I'm sure Mitt Romney would approve of. Turns out their federal income tax liability is $0. Is such a person "freeloading" or are they simply following the tax law that the People have voted on and nothing more?


I haven't said that they are doing anything illegal or that they should volunteer to pay more. Just an objective observation of reality.
 
2012-09-19 01:00:31 PM

Poopspasm: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.

3,000 people with an income of $2 million or more paid no income taxes last year. Are they also freeloaders?

/cuts both ways, Jack.

I think I'd just like people on the right to realize that 99% of our society protects them. You wouldn't steal from a poor person because they don't have shiat, the poor don't need intellectual property protections, etc. and if we were invaded by a foreign power, poor people would probably be the last against the wall.

Almost everything the government does is exclusively to benefit the wealthy. Why the big problem with paying taxes?


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2012-09-19 01:00:43 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.

3,000 people with an income of $2 million or more paid no income taxes last year. Are they also freeloaders?

/cuts both ways, Jack.

yeah, sure it does. So much for your point, eh "Jack"?


So much for my point? You just agreed with me.
 
2012-09-19 01:01:15 PM

skullkrusher: If you receive more than you pay for, you're freeloading. It is not meant to have any connotations. What would you prefer to call it?


I donno. Farkin... uh... Citizenship? I'm just throwing shiat out there, really :p
 
2012-09-19 01:02:16 PM

skullkrusher: pretending to be impartial with regards to what? If you receive more than you pay for, you're freeloading. It is not meant to have any connotations. What would you prefer to call it? Benefiting at another's expense? That sounds worse. It is what it is, man. Calling someone a "parasite". Now THAT had connotations. Note, I have not done that nor do I find such a thing appropriate.


I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I think "freeloader" has plenty of negative connotations that aren't appropriate for the situation.
 
2012-09-19 01:02:55 PM

Fart_Machine: Buchanan didn't throw the Jews into his diatribe. The old douche must be slipping.


There's another book coming on that subject in a few weeks....
 
2012-09-19 01:06:26 PM
Constant listener, first time caller. Is this guy Obama black or something? Gotta go--a customer just drove up to the window.
 
2012-09-19 01:07:52 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: If you aren't paying income tax, the degree of that freeloading is even greater.

3,000 people with an income of $2 million or more paid no income taxes last year. Are they also freeloaders?

/cuts both ways, Jack.

yeah, sure it does. So much for your point, eh "Jack"?


Evasion noted.
 
2012-09-19 01:08:01 PM
He's not even dog-whistling here. He's just screaming the N-word without actually saying the word.
 
2012-09-19 01:08:16 PM

LasersHurt: skullkrusher: pretending to be impartial with regards to what? If you receive more than you pay for, you're freeloading. It is not meant to have any connotations. What would you prefer to call it? Benefiting at another's expense? That sounds worse. It is what it is, man. Calling someone a "parasite". Now THAT had connotations. Note, I have not done that nor do I find such a thing appropriate.

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I think "freeloader" has plenty of negative connotations that aren't appropriate for the situation.


He's also deliberately ignoring the fact that getting a net gain today does not mean you'll have, or have had a net gain over the course of your life.

Is your Grams freeloading? Or does the fact that she's been a productive, tax-paying, non-criminal citizen for 65 years or so *maybe* impact that assessment? What about an infant? They might be freeloading today, but the express purpose of those government outlays is to *facilitate the generation of a productive person*. College kids are "freeloading" with their guaranteed loans and federal grants! But only so they can get better jobs and subsequently they will be asked to contribute more to society and to our nations coffers as they get older.

No spot measurement like this 47% crap (for example) is meaningful. It ignores the concept that we are citizens, and not members. We aren't paying membership fees. We are paying taxes to keep society running the way it has run thus far, so that *as citizens* we can continue to reap the rewards of our forefathers and not watch our children grow up in a world that is worse than ours.
 
2012-09-19 01:15:19 PM

BeesNuts: skullkrusher: If you receive more than you pay for, you're freeloading. It is not meant to have any connotations. What would you prefer to call it?

I donno. Farkin... uh... Citizenship? I'm just throwing shiat out there, really :p


Yeah. I mean, come on. Calling it freeloading is simplistic nonsense. I don't have kids, but I pay an assload in property taxes that largely goes to fund schools. Does that mean people with kids are freeloading off of me? No, because those schools (at least in theory) are teaching math, literacy and other skills to the people in my community, and make my community a better place to live.

That's what living in a modern society is supposed to provide. A rising tide that lifts all boats, so to speak.
 
2012-09-19 01:16:08 PM

skullkrusher: pretending to be impartial with regards to what? If you receive more than you pay for, you're freeloading. It is not meant to have any connotations. What would you prefer to call it? Benefiting at another's expense? That sounds worse. It is what it is, man. Calling someone a "parasite". Now THAT had connotations. Note, I have not done that nor do I find such a thing appropriate.


BeesNuts: He's also deliberately ignoring the fact that getting a net gain today does not mean you'll have, or have had a net gain over the course of your life.


I think BeesNuts' point is a good one to counter skull's "freeloader" term.

And freeloader does have a negative connotation.

What do you call them? People whose situations result in no federal income tax liability? Doesn't have the concise nature of "freeloader," but certainly is less negative. =P
 
2012-09-19 01:16:12 PM

BeesNuts: LasersHurt: skullkrusher: pretending to be impartial with regards to what? If you receive more than you pay for, you're freeloading. It is not meant to have any connotations. What would you prefer to call it? Benefiting at another's expense? That sounds worse. It is what it is, man. Calling someone a "parasite". Now THAT had connotations. Note, I have not done that nor do I find such a thing appropriate.

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I think "freeloader" has plenty of negative connotations that aren't appropriate for the situation.

He's also deliberately ignoring the fact that getting a net gain today does not mean you'll have, or have had a net gain over the course of your life.

Is your Grams freeloading? Or does the fact that she's been a productive, tax-paying, non-criminal citizen for 65 years or so *maybe* impact that assessment? What about an infant? They might be freeloading today, but the express purpose of those government outlays is to *facilitate the generation of a productive person*. College kids are "freeloading" with their guaranteed loans and federal grants! But only so they can get better jobs and subsequently they will be asked to contribute more to society and to our nations coffers as they get older.

No spot measurement like this 47% crap (for example) is meaningful. It ignores the concept that we are citizens, and not members. We aren't paying membership fees. We are paying taxes to keep society running the way it has run thus far, so that *as citizens* we can continue to reap the rewards of our forefathers and not watch our children grow up in a world that is worse than ours.


Besides, if the government is doing it's job efficiently, just about everyone should be getting net benefits simply due to the increased efficiency of pooling efforts. I don't know what the per-person cost for police, military, fire, infrastructure, etc is, but I'll bet it's high enough that almost nobody could afford it.
 
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