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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 11:20:16 AM  
That's silly. What does he think he can teach Romney about evading taxes? Romney became rich as a tax evasion consultant before he started Bain Capital.
 
2012-09-19 11:49:33 AM  
My ad hominem detector seems to be acting up. The fact that he got caught doesn't change the truth of what he's saying.

Takes one to known one.
 
2012-09-19 12:06:03 PM  
Hunter Brown, convicted illegal music downloader, lectures career burglar and car thief
 
2012-09-19 12:26:18 PM  
The "[ethics] policy we have is the strongest that any administration in the history of our country has had" (White House Spokesman)... so far Obama has nominated:


-Tom Daschell: Health & Human Services - withdrew due to being a tax cheat
-Nancy Killefer: Chief Performance Officer - withdrew due to being a tax cheat
-Tom Geithner: Secretary of Treasury - confirmed despite being a tax cheat
-Hilda Solis: Secretary of Labor - While not guilty herself... her husband is a tax cheat.
 
2012-09-19 12:32:02 PM  
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

They should also occasionally pay taxes on those houses.
 
2012-09-19 12:56:25 PM  
What a moronic thing for someone in his position to say. I'm glad I don't live in his district. Ugh.

/Democrat
 
2012-09-19 01:16:23 PM  
chuckslowe.com
ZZZZZZZZZZZ....snort...gotta remember to put rental villa on tax return ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..........snort...burb/...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
 
2012-09-19 01:35:47 PM  

netizencain: -Hilda Solis: Secretary of Labor - While not guilty herself... her husband is a tax cheat.


hahahaha are you farking for real
 
2012-09-19 02:13:42 PM  
Romney could make this whole issue go away simply by releasing is tax records.

Since Romney was denigrating those who don't pay taxes, it would be good know if he is in the 47% or the 53%.

Did Romney pay taxes on his money that is in the Cayman Islands? Swiss bank accounts?
 
2012-09-19 02:13:44 PM  
In turn, Mitt Romney, who hides assets in Swiss bank accounts and the Cayman islands and benefits from an extraordinarily low tax rate through idle investment profits, lectures the "entitled" working poor, retirees and active-duty military engaged in dangerous war zones on being economic and social leeches who are not paying their fair share of taxes.
 
2012-09-19 02:14:31 PM  
I have to buy a new Irony Meter. Mine just blew up and made a hole in my floor.
 
2012-09-19 02:15:34 PM  

bdub77: People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

They should also occasionally pay taxes on those houses.


And if rent-controlled, pick up several others, perhaps one to use as an office.
 
2012-09-19 02:15:39 PM  
If you can't defend a solid argument, attempt to discredit the source.
 
2012-09-19 02:16:18 PM  

netizencain: The "[ethics] policy we have is the strongest that any administration in the history of our country has had" (White House Spokesman)... so far Obama has nominated:


-Tom Daschell: Health & Human Services - withdrew due to being a tax cheat
-Nancy Killefer: Chief Performance Officer - withdrew due to being a tax cheat
-Tom Geithner: Secretary of Treasury - confirmed despite being a tax cheat
-Hilda Solis: Secretary of Labor - While not guilty herself... her husband is a tax cheat.


Hmmm, by your logic, should Mitt quit running for office because we know he's a tax cheat?
 
2012-09-19 02:17:10 PM  
Tu quoque, thanks for everything, Julie Newmar

/Latin pronunciation was harmed in the creation of this joke
 
2012-09-19 02:17:58 PM  
As one of the libbiest libs to ever lib, I think Charlie Rangel should shut his pie-hole and pay his damn taxes like a man.
 
2012-09-19 02:20:57 PM  
What I really love about all this is the incredible level of cognitive dissonance on display here by republicans. Even for republicans it's pretty extreme.

People with a small amount of labor-based income who utilize basic tax deductions for dependents are "dependent on government" and "think [the] government's job is to redistribute" wealth.

People with enormous investment-based income who utilize expensive tax attorneys and complex money-shifting tricks to exploit technical loopholes in the tax code are, however, just using the rules like anybody else would to mitigate their "burden".

Republicans have pretty much become the definition of self-contradiction.
 
2012-09-19 02:21:42 PM  
Charlie Rangel is like that Elvis impersonator that doesn't care anymore; except that he's a Mitt Romney impersonator.

- slick hair (check)
- smarmy, douchebag attitude (check)
- complete scumbag (check)
- lie and squirm to get in office (check)
- moderately slim (....eh, close enough)
 
2012-09-19 02:22:19 PM  

Citrate1007: If you can't defend a solid argument, attempt to discredit the source.


I have to admit it's a poor choice of a source.

Rangle probably reached out to him ahead of time to see if he could hire his accounting team.
 
2012-09-19 02:23:55 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: What I really love about all this is the incredible level of cognitive dissonance on display here by republicans. Even for republicans it's pretty extreme.

People with a small amount of labor-based income who utilize basic tax deductions for dependents are "dependent on government" and "think [the] government's job is to redistribute" wealth.

People with enormous investment-based income who utilize expensive tax attorneys and complex money-shifting tricks to exploit technical loopholes in the tax code are, however, just using the rules like anybody else would to mitigate their "burden".

Republicans have pretty much become the definition of self-contradiction.


What makes it even sadder is that Charlie Rangel doesn't even realize he's a Republican.
 
2012-09-19 02:24:28 PM  
Charlie Rangle is a smarmy scumbag politician but is still more ethical than Mittens.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 02:24:44 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: What I really love about all this is the incredible level of cognitive dissonance on display here by republicans. Even for republicans it's pretty extreme.

People with a small amount of labor-based income who utilize basic tax deductions for dependents are "dependent on government" and "think [the] government's job is to redistribute" wealth.

People with enormous investment-based income who utilize expensive tax attorneys and complex money-shifting tricks to exploit technical loopholes in the tax code are, however, just using the rules like anybody else would to mitigate their "burden".

Republicans have pretty much become the definition of self-contradiction.


The technical loopholes are there because people with enormous investment based income hire lobbyists to make sure they are there.
 
2012-09-19 02:27:17 PM  
Charlie Rangel's too dumb to avoid taxes legally.

Epoch_Zero: Charlie Rangel is like that Elvis impersonator that doesn't care anymore; except that he's a Mitt Romney impersonator.

- slick hair (check)
- smarmy, douchebag attitude (check)
- complete scumbag (check)
- lie and squirm to get in office (check)
- moderately slim (....eh, close enough)


To his credit though, when duty called, Charlie didn't high-tail it to France.
 
2012-09-19 02:32:50 PM  
LOOK! THE OTHER SIDE DOES IT!

Might come as a surprise to subby, however some of us that think Romney is an idiot also think Rangel should of been kicked out of Congress. Some of us don't let a party label determine what we think is right or wrong.
 
2012-09-19 02:35:00 PM  

MrBallou: My ad hominem detector seems to be acting up. The fact that he got caught doesn't change the truth of what he's saying.

Takes one to known one.


Something about glass houses and throwing stones...
 
2012-09-19 02:36:19 PM  

bdub77: People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

They should also occasionally pay taxes on those houses.


Dammit.
 
2012-09-19 02:36:49 PM  

MrBallou: My ad hominem detector seems to be acting up. The fact that he got caught doesn't change the truth of what he's saying.

Takes one to known one.


Yeah, but the reaction of people who favor the Democrats is obviously going to be "shut up shut up shut up shut up". Because the only thing him commenting on this is help Romney climb out of the hole he dug himself by reminding everyone that there are Democrats in that hole too.

Ad hominem isn't a valid argument in pure logic, but in the broader context of rhetoric Ethos is an important part of an audience's judgement of your reliability, and it does work heavily by association. It doesn't change the truth of a statement, but it changes how likely the audience considers the possibility that your premises are intentionally or unintentionally false to begin with.

Basically, outside of the intensely specific context of formal logic, what you're calling ad hominem is still going to be quite important for the simple reason that no one can have a full background and perfect knowledge of everything.
 
2012-09-19 02:37:13 PM  

d23: LOOK! THE OTHER SIDE DOES IT!

Might come as a surprise to subby, however some of us that think Romney is an idiot also think Rangel should of been kicked out of Congress. Some of us don't let a party label determine what we think is right or wrong.


yeah but this is the Fark Politics tab there are like 2 of you here. :)
 
2012-09-19 02:49:09 PM  
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"Mr. Rangel admitted having failed to report rental income of $75,000 over the years. First he blamed his wife for the oversight because he said she was supposed to be managing the property. Then he blamed the language barrier. "Every time I thought I was getting somewhere, they'd start speaking Spanish," Mr. Rangel explained"
 
2012-09-19 02:53:47 PM  

smitty04: "Mr. Rangel admitted having failed to report rental income of $75,000 over the years. First he blamed his wife for the oversight because he said she was supposed to be managing the property. Then he blamed the language barrier. "Every time I thought I was getting somewhere, they'd start speaking Spanish," Mr. Rangel explained"


So how does the fact the Rangel is dumbass change the factual nature of his statements, out of curiosity?

I mean... I could understand your point if Rangel was the only person giving him shiat or if Romney, who manipulated the tax code to an advantageous 14% rate on $21,000,000 of earnings last year, hadn't just gotten done calling active-duty military, working people with children and retired elderly people leeches for using the same tax code in a much more basic and straightforward way as it was intended.... but that's not what's happening here.
 
2012-09-19 02:58:23 PM  
An informal survey of about 30 people I know, all either use every tax break imaginable, earn wages under the table, under-report their income, fudge their charitable contributions, change job titles and even switch their primary residences.

So Stop with the holier than thou routine Farkers. Its bs and you know it. Focus on another topic.
 
2012-09-19 03:05:29 PM  

torr5962: An informal survey of about 30 people I know, all either use every tax break imaginable, earn wages under the table, under-report their income, fudge their charitable contributions, change job titles and even switch their primary residences.

So Stop with the holier than thou routine Farkers. Its bs and you know it. Focus on another topic.


Believe it or not, not everyone tries to dodge paying the price of a civilized society.
 
2012-09-19 03:10:01 PM  

torr5962: An informal survey of about 30 people I know, all either use every tax break imaginable, earn wages under the table, under-report their income, fudge their charitable contributions, change job titles and even switch their primary residences.

So Stop with the holier than thou routine Farkers. Its bs and you know it. Focus on another topic.


There's your problem right there. Try surveying people who don't have 2 or more homes.
 
2012-09-19 03:14:05 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: People with a small amount of labor-based income who utilize basic tax deductions for dependents are "dependent on government" and "think [the] government's job is to redistribute" wealth.

People with enormous investment-based income who utilize expensive tax attorneys and complex money-shifting tricks to exploit technical loopholes in the tax code are, however, just using the rules like anybody else would to mitigate their "burden".


This.
 
2012-09-19 03:15:50 PM  

skullkrusher: d23: LOOK! THE OTHER SIDE DOES IT!

Might come as a surprise to subby, however some of us that think Romney is an idiot also think Rangel should of been kicked out of Congress. Some of us don't let a party label determine what we think is right or wrong.

yeah but this is the Fark Politics tab there are like 2 of you here. :)


And I was at lunch, sorry.
 
2012-09-19 03:16:16 PM  
STFU Charlie

...not that he's wrong, but he lives in a glass house
 
2012-09-19 03:19:09 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: skullkrusher: d23: LOOK! THE OTHER SIDE DOES IT!

Might come as a surprise to subby, however some of us that think Romney is an idiot also think Rangel should of been kicked out of Congress. Some of us don't let a party label determine what we think is right or wrong.

yeah but this is the Fark Politics tab there are like 2 of you here. :)

And I was at lunch, sorry.


Yeah sorry I was busy writing a cover letter.
 
2012-09-19 03:20:12 PM  

Phoenix87ta: torr5962: An informal survey of about 30 people I know, all either use every tax break imaginable, earn wages under the table, under-report their income, fudge their charitable contributions, change job titles and even switch their primary residences.

So Stop with the holier than thou routine Farkers. Its bs and you know it. Focus on another topic.

Believe it or not, not everyone tries to dodge paying the price of a civilized society.


The difference is that, for most of us, "trying" means saving a few hundred, maybe a thousand dollars. We generally don't end up with 0 liability or an effective rate FAR below where it would be.

For Mittens, it means hiding a retirement nest egg offshore while ALSO gaming his tax-sheltered onshore retirement account ($6,000/month, for X months = $100 million plus. Makes sense...if you're 1400 years old).

Oh, and the preferential treatment of cap gains. Which is 100% kosher, but still wrong.
 
2012-09-19 03:37:40 PM  
Zastema and Phoeniz87ta:
Believe it or not, 80% of these people are Democrats. Not the multi-home guy though.

Point is, this exists, especially in the working and middle class. It just happens. People just believe they are taxed enough. You can counterpoint it until you're blue, but in working class areas like the Philly area, a large group are cheating. Somewhere.
 
2012-09-19 03:59:34 PM  

WizardofToast: I have to buy a new Irony Meter. Mine just blew up and made a hole in my floor.


My condolences. But good luck finding an irony meter now. I gave up after a decade long search. Instead, I picked up a well used sarcasm gauge at a pawn shop which, unfortunately, didn't work for shiat. I got some of my money back, along with an autographed KISS album and a late 80's Satire Scale which does function, if only as a meter of nostalgia. I can't say I'm satisfied, but I'm not firebombing any storefronts today so that's a plus.
 
2012-09-19 04:16:06 PM  
That would be like somebody whose negligence was responsible for the 9/11 attacks trying to say President Obama was weak...on...oh...right....that happened...
i.i.com.com
 
2012-09-19 04:29:52 PM  
So, now the Repubs are saying that Rangel and Romney are pretty much the same?
 
2012-09-19 04:33:10 PM  
It's a sad state of affairs when people are compelled to rationalize Rangel.
 
2012-09-19 04:34:42 PM  

EyeballKid: That would be like somebody whose negligence was responsible for the 9/11 attacks trying to say President Obama was weak...on...oh...right....that happened...
[i.i.com.com image 480x360]


And that was due to a bureaucracy wall put up by who? Oh yeah...

www.newsrealblog.com

But nevermind that. It's not important, right?
 
2012-09-19 04:37:14 PM  

EyeballKid: That would be like somebody whose negligence was responsible for the 9/11 attacks trying to say President Obama was weak...on...oh...right....that happened...
[i.i.com.com image 480x360]


Are you calling the President a kettle?
 
2012-09-19 04:39:29 PM  
i.i.com.com

...and Michelle Obama has a closet full of shoes!

/makes as much sense.
 
2012-09-19 04:43:33 PM  

MrBallou: My ad hominem detector seems to be acting up. The fact that he got caught doesn't change the truth of what he's saying.

Takes one to known one.


That might be true if you actually registered what the jackass was saying while laughing at his chutzpah.
 
2012-09-19 04:46:29 PM  
Well, I guess he'd know? Is this like the "recovered" tweaker who goes around to schools to counsel kids to stay off drugs?
 
2012-09-19 04:52:46 PM  
There are shady people who are Democratic politicians. There are batshiat crazy Democrats too.

The difference is that the Democrats eventually get voted out or even if they represent a constituency that never does this, flounders in their job without any prospect of advancement.

Whereas the Republicans run the shady people for President and pick batshiat crazy people such as Sarah Palin for Vice President.

That's a pretty significant difference.
 
2012-09-19 04:53:13 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Phoenix87ta: torr5962: An informal survey of about 30 people I know, all either use every tax break imaginable, earn wages under the table, under-report their income, fudge their charitable contributions, change job titles and even switch their primary residences.

So Stop with the holier than thou routine Farkers. Its bs and you know it. Focus on another topic.

Believe it or not, not everyone tries to dodge paying the price of a civilized society.

The difference is that, for most of us, "trying" means saving a few hundred, maybe a thousand dollars. We generally don't end up with 0 liability or an effective rate FAR below where it would be.

For Mittens, it means hiding a retirement nest egg offshore while ALSO gaming his tax-sheltered onshore retirement account ($6,000/month, for X months = $100 million plus. Makes sense...if you're 1400 years old).

Oh, and the preferential treatment of cap gains. Which is 100% kosher, but still wrong.


Oh, I understand the difference. I was mostly focusing on the jackass that suggests that EVERYBODY tries to cheat their taxes. I personally don't mind paying my taxes, since (in theory) the money is used to benefit society as a whole, and therefore improves the lives of everyone in that society. That's why I never understood the tea party, Sovereign Citizens and similar groups that oppose taxes as a general principle.

/Screw cap gains. That's a whole different ball o' wax.
 
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