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2012-09-19 01:27:20 PM
2 votes:
Why or why did Jackson leave out the Scouring of the Shire? That could have been an entire movie in itself.
2012-09-19 08:24:28 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Do you know any specific reason he hates them?


To my knowledge he's never seen them - he still maintains that the trilogy is wholly unsuitable to be adapted to film afaik.
2012-09-19 05:58:36 PM
1 votes:

By-Tor and the SnowDogmatix: Andric: Snapper Carr: badLogic: Why or why did Jackson leave out the Scouring of the Shire? That could have been an entire movie in itself.

That was the problem - it's a bad ending - you've had this huge epic adventure, climax, denouement and then you're off to another little mini-adventure.

It throws the pace completely out of whack because I care more about structure than story

FTFY

I loved seeing that world brought to life, and for the most part I thought it was as epic as I had hoped. Two things have stuck in my craw for a long time now. 1. They (Jackson, Astin) turned Samwise into Samcries, and 2. Leaving out the Scouring of the Shire diminishes the ending of the journey.(Until the Grey Havens which I see as an epilogue)
Saruman get his, and the fellowship have to sort out the Shire. The naive hobbits that set out have been transformed by the journey and are hardened steel at that point. Whuppin' some ass is a fait accompli as the lads have already been to hell and back. And Sam gets to use Galadriel's magic dirt to restore their home and get back to growing and smokin' the Longbottom Leaf.
In a way, it's not until the Scouring of the Shire that their transformation is complete. This was the fight for their home, and after fighting in various factions and locales, the 4 were unified and proceeded to sort it all out with complete badassery post haste.
"Oi, who are you, and you better not make trouble."
"Listen, I just got back from the worst vacation ever, how about you STFU and taste some elven steel while we're at it"
/paraphrasing


There was one other part of the movies that gave me indigestion. What Jackson did to Faramir. The most ironic line of the whole movie trilogy was Samwise stating during the battle in Osgiliath that "By all rights we should not even be here."
2012-09-19 04:39:12 PM
1 votes:

Andric: Snapper Carr: badLogic: Why or why did Jackson leave out the Scouring of the Shire? That could have been an entire movie in itself.

That was the problem - it's a bad ending - you've had this huge epic adventure, climax, denouement and then you're off to another little mini-adventure.

It throws the pace completely out of whack because I care more about structure than story

FTFY


I loved seeing that world brought to life, and for the most part I thought it was as epic as I had hoped. Two things have stuck in my craw for a long time now. 1. They (Jackson, Astin) turned Samwise into Samcries, and 2. Leaving out the Scouring of the Shire diminishes the ending of the journey.(Until the Grey Havens which I see as an epilogue)
Saruman get his, and the fellowship have to sort out the Shire. The naive hobbits that set out have been transformed by the journey and are hardened steel at that point. Whuppin' some ass is a fait accompli as the lads have already been to hell and back. And Sam gets to use Galadriel's magic dirt to restore their home and get back to growing and smokin' the Longbottom Leaf.
In a way, it's not until the Scouring of the Shire that their transformation is complete. This was the fight for their home, and after fighting in various factions and locales, the 4 were unified and proceeded to sort it all out with complete badassery post haste.
"Oi, who are you, and you better not make trouble."
"Listen, I just got back from the worst vacation ever, how about you STFU and taste some elven steel while we're at it"
/paraphrasing
2012-09-19 12:50:12 PM
1 votes:

Modguy: BalugaJoe: I hope they do Silmarrion movie after this.

Rev.K: BalugaJoe: I hope they do Silmarrion movie after this.

I have hoped for that for a long, long time.

I have to believe they will. Peter Jackson and LOTR content is nothing but money in the bank for New Line.

I don't see them stopping.

If I remember correctly, the only reason they were able to make a movie based on the trilogy and the Hobbit is because the Tolkien Estate sold the rights to the movie adaptation back in the '70s. The Tolkien Estate it self HATES the idea of the movies. In fact, the Tolkien Estate had to fight to even get proceeds from the modern adaptation of the trilogy.


Is it the entire estate that hates them or just Christopher Tolkien? Because he won't live forever and the estate might have different ideas once he's gone.

I don't know if I'd really like any of the Valar vs. Morgoth stories done by Jackson. I don't like his treatment of the elves, except for Legolas. The high elves seem too stiff and ethereal.

Now, the rise and fall of Numenor would make quite a good movie. Men vs Sauron vs those darn immortals in Valinor.
2012-09-19 12:23:23 PM
1 votes:

BalugaJoe: I hope they do Silmarrion movie after this.


Does that get good? The beginning felt like reading Old Testament genealogies and I quickly gave up.
2012-09-19 12:19:30 PM
1 votes:

Modguy: NeoCortex42: Egoy3k: NeoCortex42: I'm still hoping we get at least a look at Smaug in the first film. I know they won't get anywhere near that point in the story, but they could have a prologue in the beginning or a teaser of him at the end of the movie.

They'll probably show him attacking the lonely mountain from a distance in a flashback. Thorin tells the whole party about being out hunting when it happens. If they stay true to the source material the unexpected party will be much too long and much too boring for a film audience without some flashbacks or other things to liven it up.

That's what the musical interlude is for. We all know what Bilbo Baggins hates.

Rev.K: BalugaJoe: I hope they do Silmarrion movie after this.

I have hoped for that for a long, long time.

I have to believe they will. Peter Jackson and LOTR content is nothing but money in the bank for New Line.

I don't see them stopping.

The only problem with the Silmarillion is that it's not as well known to general audiences. Even people that haven't read LOTR or The Hobbit have heard of it. It will also be a little more difficult to market since it's not just one cohesive story. It's a collection of tales.

I think it would probably work best as an HBO series. Maybe a post-Game of Thrones fantasy production.

I'd love to see The Tale of the Children of Húrin (Narn I Hîn Húrin) be given the Game of Thrones treatment. Or the Tale of Beren and Lúthien.


Fall of Gondolin anyone? An ARMY of Balrogs and other more frightening things, plus that epic one on one duel where the prince stabs the balrog to death with his helmet before they both die.
2012-09-19 12:09:57 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: Egoy3k: NeoCortex42: I'm still hoping we get at least a look at Smaug in the first film. I know they won't get anywhere near that point in the story, but they could have a prologue in the beginning or a teaser of him at the end of the movie.

They'll probably show him attacking the lonely mountain from a distance in a flashback. Thorin tells the whole party about being out hunting when it happens. If they stay true to the source material the unexpected party will be much too long and much too boring for a film audience without some flashbacks or other things to liven it up.

That's what the musical interlude is for. We all know what Bilbo Baggins hates.

Rev.K: BalugaJoe: I hope they do Silmarrion movie after this.

I have hoped for that for a long, long time.

I have to believe they will. Peter Jackson and LOTR content is nothing but money in the bank for New Line.

I don't see them stopping.

The only problem with the Silmarillion is that it's not as well known to general audiences. Even people that haven't read LOTR or The Hobbit have heard of it. It will also be a little more difficult to market since it's not just one cohesive story. It's a collection of tales.

I think it would probably work best as an HBO series. Maybe a post-Game of Thrones fantasy production.


I'd love to see The Tale of the Children of Húrin (Narn I Hîn Húrin) be given the Game of Thrones treatment. Or the Tale of Beren and Lúthien.
2012-09-19 12:05:32 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: NeoCortex42: I'm still hoping we get at least a look at Smaug in the first film. I know they won't get anywhere near that point in the story, but they could have a prologue in the beginning or a teaser of him at the end of the movie.

They'll probably show him attacking the lonely mountain from a distance in a flashback. Thorin tells the whole party about being out hunting when it happens. If they stay true to the source material the unexpected party will be much too long and much too boring for a film audience without some flashbacks or other things to liven it up.


That's what the musical interlude is for. We all know what Bilbo Baggins hates.

Rev.K: BalugaJoe: I hope they do Silmarrion movie after this.

I have hoped for that for a long, long time.

I have to believe they will. Peter Jackson and LOTR content is nothing but money in the bank for New Line.

I don't see them stopping.


The only problem with the Silmarillion is that it's not as well known to general audiences. Even people that haven't read LOTR or The Hobbit have heard of it. It will also be a little more difficult to market since it's not just one cohesive story. It's a collection of tales.

I think it would probably work best as an HBO series. Maybe a post-Game of Thrones fantasy production.
2012-09-19 12:05:22 PM
1 votes:

BalugaJoe: I hope they do Silmarrion movie after this.


Rev.K: BalugaJoe: I hope they do Silmarrion movie after this.

I have hoped for that for a long, long time.

I have to believe they will. Peter Jackson and LOTR content is nothing but money in the bank for New Line.

I don't see them stopping.


If I remember correctly, the only reason they were able to make a movie based on the trilogy and the Hobbit is because the Tolkien Estate sold the rights to the movie adaptation back in the '70s. The Tolkien Estate it self HATES the idea of the movies. In fact, the Tolkien Estate had to fight to even get proceeds from the modern adaptation of the trilogy.

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/who-hates-lord-rings-tolkie n -family-47841

http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2009/09/tolkien-estate-settles-lawsu i t-over-movie-proceeds.html

http://sedulia.blogs.com/sedulias_translations/2012/07/was-first-felt . html

Specifically: "n 1969, the writer sold the movie rights and rights for derived products for The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings to United Artists for 100,000 pounds sterling, a considerable sum at the time, but paltry when the current value is considered."
2012-09-19 12:00:51 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: I'm still hoping we get at least a look at Smaug Galadriel's tits in the first film.

2012-09-19 11:50:39 AM
1 votes:
I hope they do Silmarrion movie after this.
 
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