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(AEI Ideas)   Romney needs to keep talking about our fiscally and morally disastrous Entitlement Society   (aei-ideas.org) divider line 155
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2012-09-19 10:13:17 AM
Yes, please. Do this.
 
2012-09-19 10:13:41 AM
Romney needs to keep talking period. A democratic win was never so easy!
 
2012-09-19 10:14:01 AM
So republucans want to get rid of social security, Medicare and public schools?

Or do they believe in "entitlments" too?
 
2012-09-19 10:14:29 AM
Sure, he can talk about poor entitlements. As long as he includes rich entitlements too.
 
2012-09-19 10:15:01 AM
What, you mean like how rich people feel entitled to keep the fruits of their labours, as well as the fruits of other people's labours?
 
2012-09-19 10:15:23 AM
In the past few months conservatives seem to have completely lost their ability to mask the deep contempt they feel for the working poor. Their loathing is building on itself, with each eruption of disdain calling forth even greater expressions.
 
2012-09-19 10:15:39 AM
Tax dodging Romney is concerned because Candidate Romney will change his tax rate percentage from 0%.
 
2012-09-19 10:15:52 AM
The good old days before all the darn welfare...

stinsonvirtualclassroom.wikispaces.com
 
2012-09-19 10:16:14 AM
It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.
 
2012-09-19 10:17:01 AM
Let's just go with whatever Grover Norquist thinks.
 
2012-09-19 10:17:13 AM

TimonC346: Sure, he can talk about poor entitlements. As long as he includes rich entitlements too.


No kidding. Heard the quote on NPR, and I was like "What the fark is that little pause and emphasis on entitled people about, jagoff? You're talking to a room of the most entitled motherfarkers I can think of!"
 
2012-09-19 10:17:15 AM
Keep talking, Mitt.

[doeeeet!]

Do programs like Medicare and Social Security need some reform?

Yup.

Does Wall Street and the tax code need it first?

Yup.
 
2012-09-19 10:17:37 AM
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2012-09-19 10:17:39 AM
Huh. A respected conservative thinktank site? On *my* Fark? GTFO.

/so we get Brookings Foundation links approved soon too, right?
 
2012-09-19 10:18:23 AM
Yes, those lousy deadbeats, like my retired parents who are in their 70s and paid into the system their entire lives, are horrible people for receiving Social Security and Medicare entitlements and not paying federal income taxes. Yes, Mitt Romney should keep talking about this.
 
2012-09-19 10:18:24 AM
Agreed. He should say that unemployed people are only employed because they're lazy and addicted to the drugs and God hates them. If God wants them to die friendless and alone in the streets, who is the President of the United States to argue??
 
2012-09-19 10:19:04 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: In the past few months conservatives seem to have completely lost their ability to mask the deep contempt they feel for the working poor. Their loathing is building on itself, with each eruption of disdain calling forth even greater expressions.


Sadly, they keep getting away with this paper thin disguise because of how gullible their base is.

He called almost half the country incapable of taking responsibility for themselves. And yet, let's get outraged over Obama's bitterly clinging to guns quote from years ago because both sides bad.
 
2012-09-19 10:19:20 AM
I fully support this idea. I'm sure the elimination of any federal tax breaks or government loans to companies like Bain will be front & center in Rmoney's plans, cause, you know, dependence on the government is always bad, m'kay?
 
2012-09-19 10:19:28 AM
Meanwhile, Wages have stagnated, jobs have been moved over seas, and food pand gas prices are at all time highs. But there is no accounting for that 700% increase in entitlements, is there?

Just let them starve in the street i guess.
 
2012-09-19 10:19:28 AM

Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.


Why is Romney engaging in class warfare?


Pitting 47% against 53%?
 
2012-09-19 10:19:29 AM
The GOP just needs to have the implosion and get over with.

As a Democrat I don't want a vacuum where were allowed to go overboard. It's detrimental to a democracy that we have someone to keep us in check. And right now the GOP is just shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.

Please guys....pull it together. Cast off the nutcases that are doing you harm. Come back to reality and let's get some work done.
 
2012-09-19 10:19:32 AM

Granny_Panties: The good old days before all the darn welfare...

[stinsonvirtualclassroom.wikispaces.com image 634x483]


"Nothing a little gasoline couldn't cure" - Mitt Rmoney
 
2012-09-19 10:19:48 AM
But in purely arithmetic terms, the most astonishing growth of entitlements has been for health-care guarantees based on claims of age (Medicare) or income (Medicaid). Until the mid-1960s, no such entitlements existed; by 2010, these two programs were absorbing more than $900 billion annually.

By my calculations, this growth is equivalent to a 73.4% compounded annually, starting with $1 in 1960.

And in twenty years, entitlements will exceed $54 Quadrillion dollars. And the entitled will still complain they don't get enough...

Thanks for nothing, "Presidebt" BigEar O'Taxus al'Chicago, Wizard of Uhhs.
 
2012-09-19 10:19:52 AM
Go ahead. Keep telling old people they're entitled mooches.

Do it.
 
2012-09-19 10:20:06 AM
Haha. I'd love to see them put faces on this "society".

The impression: minorities
The truth: white, also voting base
 
2012-09-19 10:20:43 AM
Really, there is no better way to win support across the Rust Belt then by telling people the only reason you don't have a job is because you aren't willing to work hard enough
 
2012-09-19 10:20:47 AM
Corporations are the biggest "welfare queens" of all. So let's start cutting entitlements with them.
 
2012-09-19 10:21:28 AM

Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-09-19 10:21:53 AM
I pay SS, Medicare, and federal income taxes. I pay unemployment insurance.

They are called entitlements because if I need them, I am entitled to them.

Welcome to society, douchebags.
 
2012-09-19 10:22:39 AM
imageshack.us

ELIMINATE THE EPA 2012
 
2012-09-19 10:22:52 AM
About the best summary of why the tea party types thinks this is a rallying point for the campaign and the GOP "DC Elite" are begging Romney to disown the comment:

In fact, this "47 percent" incident reflects a larger pattern in Campaign 2012. The base of the conservative movement develops a message that plays well internally, and inexplicably thinks it'll be persuasive to the general electorate if only it is trumpeted widely; Mitt Romney slavishly conducts himself as the base wishes; and then the talking points turn out to be as unpopular with swing voters as you'd expect. That's how it's gone on foreign policy; now that Romney has been caught making the verbal equivalent of a 53 percent Tumblr entry, that's how it's going on domestic policy too.
 
2012-09-19 10:23:00 AM
And those soldiers and veterans at the VA.

Keep calling them parasites.

Do it.
 
2012-09-19 10:23:32 AM
i47.photobucket.com


/Shamelessly stolen from another Farker
 
2012-09-19 10:23:55 AM

machodonkeywrestler: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

[i.qkme.me image 604x453]


Forget it. I'm 90% sure he's a troll. The other 10% chance is that he's just a retard.
 
2012-09-19 10:24:25 AM

Aarontology: And those soldiers and veterans at the VA.

Keep calling them parasites.

Do it.


The military-industrial complex? A vital part of our nation's security.
Soldiers, veterans, and the Department of Veterans' Affairs? Entitled leeches.
 
2012-09-19 10:24:35 AM

Aarontology: And those soldiers and veterans at the VA.

Keep calling them parasites.

Do it.


It's not that the Job Creators don't appreciate their sacrifice, really. It's just that that new 100' party yacht isn't going to pay for itself, so they're just going to have to go without prosthetics and antibiotics. It's best if they don't fight it.
 
2012-09-19 10:25:18 AM
That's right. Government for, by, and of the people should never return anything to the people.
 
2012-09-19 10:26:27 AM

machodonkeywrestler: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

[i.qkme.me image 604x453]


When all you have is derp, everything looks like a derphole
 
2012-09-19 10:27:00 AM
98% of Americans don't pay boat taxes. Entitled freeloaders, I tell you.
 
2012-09-19 10:27:31 AM

Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.


You misspelled "Walker."
 
2012-09-19 10:27:42 AM
Using the word "Entitlement" to describe welfare negatively is utterly stupid. Of course you're entitled to something you pay into, and even the poorest earners pay taxes to their localities or to their state. Even if they receive benefits from a federal government that doesn't tax them, they contributed money to a state and/or city government that the federal government would have to help a little less, so it balances out. That is as capitalist of an idea as you're going to get.

It's amazing how Republicans manage to argue how taxes are too low (because those filthy poors can get their ENTITLEMENTS) while arguing that taxes are too high (stifling INNOVATION and JOB CREATORS). And conservatives wonder why they are laughed out of any adult conversation.
 
2012-09-19 10:28:57 AM
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville
 
2012-09-19 10:29:29 AM
Stay the course, Mitt
 
2012-09-19 10:29:39 AM

qorkfiend: The military-industrial complex? A vital part of our nation's security.
Soldiers, veterans, and the Department of Veterans' Affairs? Entitled leeches.


You have to understand.

a Job Creator, peace be upon them, cannot profit from a veteran getting treatment for the shrapnel wounds from an IED like he can with a fighter jet that doesn't work in the rain like the F-22. And remember. Funneling public money to defense contractors means they're brave free market capitalists.

indylaw: It's not that the Job Creators don't appreciate their sacrifice, really. It's just that that new 100' party yacht isn't going to pay for itself, so they're just going to have to go without prosthetics and antibiotics. It's best if they don't fight it.


Besides, we have the best health care system in the world. Surely they can go out and get treatment on their own instead of thinking the government should pay for it, amirite?
 
2012-09-19 10:29:50 AM
It's funny because it's ruining millions of people's lives.
 
2012-09-19 10:30:22 AM
I'd love to hear him talk about how entitled the people who qualify for the preferential tax rates on long-term capital gains, qualified dividends, and carried interest are.
 
2012-09-19 10:30:33 AM

Skarekrough: The GOP just needs to have the implosion and get over with.

As a Democrat I don't want a vacuum where were allowed to go overboard. It's detrimental to a democracy that we have someone to keep us in check. And right now the GOP is just shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.

Please guys....pull it together. Cast off the nutcases that are doing you harm. Come back to reality and let's get some work done.


I thought the very same thing about the Democratic party in 2004. A weak candidate, and a party that appeared fractured, and in the wake of a prior election where a third party candidate absolutely cost their candidate the white house. At a time when you'd think every Democrat or left-leaning person would turn out in droves to unseat a President presiding over an increasingly unpopular war, they managed to screw the pooch and quite frankly I thought the Democratic party itself was in danger of imploding. They have since recovered quite nicely I'd say.

The GOP will do the same, in time. It appears that time is NOT now though. They're just going to have to change their platform. That whole gay marriage thing, for instance, they have to just let that go.
 
2012-09-19 10:30:42 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: That is as capitalist of an idea as you're going to get.


How are we supposed to know that if it wasn't mentioned in The Fountainhead?

That's what I thought, libby lib dim. Good day, sir.

/I said good day
 
2012-09-19 10:31:23 AM

Aarontology: And those soldiers and veterans at the VA.

Keep calling them parasites.

Do it.


yeah that comment was quite revealing there.
 
2012-09-19 10:33:02 AM

NateGrey: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Why is Romney engaging in class warfare?


Pitting 47% against 53%?


Look, he's just fighting fire with fire. Obama is a Marxist rabblerouser who wants to raise taxes on the top tax bracket by 3%. Romney has to demand taxes for the top bracket be cut 8% and for half the country whose tax credits outweigh their tax liability (you know, the ones Reagan and Bush passed most of) to have to pay for the difference because by qualifying for tax credits they chose not to make something of their lives and will always live on handouts if they aren't forced off the teat.

I dare someone to find a quote from Obama that shows as much contempt for the rich as Romney's quote shows for the poor. And if Romney thought he had "Mediscare" issues before, wait until ads showing how much of the "half of America receives entitlements and that needs to stop" argument suggests kicking the elderly to the curb.
 
2012-09-19 10:33:16 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Huh. A respected conservative thinktank site? On *my* Fark? GTFO.


AEI? respected? lol.
 
2012-09-19 10:33:25 AM
Good. Grandma needs to understand what a leech she is. Hopefully, she gets to it and offs herself and leaves us Randian Superheroes to inherit her condo.
 
2012-09-19 10:33:46 AM

Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.


Look at how stupid you are.
 
2012-09-19 10:34:31 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: In the past few months conservatives seem to have completely lost their ability to mask the deep contempt they feel for the working poor. Their loathing is building on itself, with each eruption of disdain calling forth even greater expressions.


Of course that will be fine as long as most Republican voters think they are talking in coded language about black people. If they realize the truth, then the GOP will probably never recover. Luckily for the GOP the chances of that are incredibly low, but it is pretty risky behavior nevertheless.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 10:34:41 AM
Privileged corporate raiders who destroy jobs and evade taxes?
 
2012-09-19 10:35:29 AM

Serious Black: I'd love to hear him talk about how entitled the people who qualify for the preferential tax rates on long-term capital gains, qualified dividends, and carried interest are.


I saw a clip last night from a primary debate in which Mittens was discussing capital gains rates with The Gingrich, and Newt mentioned that he wanted to zero out those taxes, to which Romney rebutted "Well in that case I wouldn't have paid taxes in the last two years".

Ooops.
 
2012-09-19 10:36:24 AM

Nome de Plume: The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville


As opposed to what, numbnuts? Setting it on fire? Any government that has ever collected taxes and built roads or schools or anything not a statue or palace has "bribed the public with its own money".
 
2012-09-19 10:36:30 AM

quatchi: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Look at how stupid you are

well he can parrot talking points.
 
2012-09-19 10:36:30 AM

dudemanbro: Let's just go with whatever Grover Norquist thinks.


Even that guy's name is punchable.
 
2012-09-19 10:37:44 AM

Aarontology: Keep calling them parasites.


I'll go with FARKING parasites.
 
2012-09-19 10:39:09 AM
By all means, keep telling senior citizens that the medicare and social security benefits - that they paid taxes for decades to earn - are what's killing America. That's a sure way to win their votes.
 
2012-09-19 10:39:50 AM
www.eldergym.com
Look at this naive woman - caring for this monster, all the while it plots to destroy the republic with it's continued existence. Simply amazing.
 
2012-09-19 10:40:02 AM
You mean he should keep talking about giving to the rich?
 
2012-09-19 10:40:41 AM

quatchi: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Look at how stupid you are.


Your point is well-reasoned but sadly lacking in saliency.

You 99 percenters are a touchy, prickly bunch.
 
2012-09-19 10:41:00 AM
I was talking to a friend yesterday who describes herself as "conservative" she said the remarks Romney made made her feel sick. So no I don't think it is "working".
 
2012-09-19 10:41:07 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-19 10:41:42 AM
www.carewatchharingey.co.uk

I'm sorry, but you are out of money. There is a nice shantytown about a mile down the road for leeches like yourself, dad.
 
2012-09-19 10:43:10 AM

Dr Dreidel: Nome de Plume: The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville

As opposed to what, numbnuts? Setting it on fire? Any government that has ever collected taxes and built roads or schools or anything not a statue or palace has "bribed the public with its own money".


There's this idea that a quote from a dead philosopher is always trenchant and poignant. See CS Lewis.
 
2012-09-19 10:43:38 AM
America cannot afford to keep giving money to people that feel entitled to it just because they've received money in the past.
End corporate welfare now!
 
2012-09-19 10:44:34 AM

Hobodeluxe: yeah that comment was quite revealing there.


I honestly don't think anyone should be surprised.

The Reverend Smith: I'll go with FARKING parasites.


Neat. But I was talking about Romney's disgusting views about our nation's veterans.

Now care to comment on why Romney thinks veterans are entitled parasites? Because that's what he believes.
 
2012-09-19 10:44:44 AM
These rich farks got a little too comfortable and actually started believing their own bullshiat.
 
2012-09-19 10:45:58 AM
Romney is a man whose parents sent him to an expensive preparatory school on their dime. He is a man who went to college with substantial cash reserves in his pocket because his father invested thousands of dollars of "birthday money" which Romney cashed out at a substantial profit before college. He is a founding member of the club of vulture capitalists, a group that makes its money by eat companies alive for their assets and shipping jobs overseas. Romney pays only 15% in taxes on the majority of his income - if he pays any taxes - by exploiting loopholes in the tax code available only to the superwealthy who can afford to live exclusively off idle investments. Romney hides money in offshore accounts to dodge tax liability. Romney refuses to release his tax returns.

Romney thinks people who work for a living and have children or are retired after working for decades or are in the military or were laid off or are too sickly to work are entitled because they pay no taxes.

Just let that sink in for a minute. The man who won't show anybody his taxes and is hiding assets in Cayman and Swiss accounts, who had every advantage in the world handed to him because of his father's hard work and status and who made the majority of his money by killing people's jobs and destroying their employers has no problem criticizing working Americans, retirees and active duty military as entitled for their tax liability even though he won't let anybody see his own.

Just. Let. That. Sink. In.
 
2012-09-19 10:46:50 AM
Entitled like the privileged son of a millionaire governor?
 
2012-09-19 10:46:52 AM

Cletus C.: quatchi: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Look at how stupid you are.

Your point is well-reasoned but sadly lacking in saliency.

You 99 percenters are a touchy, prickly bunch.


I can guarantee no one on FARK is a 1%er.
 
2012-09-19 10:47:21 AM

The Reverend Smith: Aarontology: Keep calling them parasites.

I'll go with FARKING parasites.


So that's the 47% of the country you're talking about? You believe that the people who vote for Obama because they think Democrats in office are a path to a free ride are 47% of the country?

There will be leeches and abusers of the system, but the fact is that destroying programs with a proven record of reducing the negative externalities of crippling poverty (crime rates, homelessness, starvation, low intergenerational social mobility) that weigh down a society as a whole is worth it to stick it to the bad eggs?

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of people tempered by fear." - William E. Gladstone
 
2012-09-19 10:47:28 AM

Aarontology: Hobodeluxe: yeah that comment was quite revealing there.

I honestly don't think anyone should be surprised.

The Reverend Smith: I'll go with FARKING parasites.

Neat. But I was talking about Romney's disgusting views about our nation's veterans.

Now care to comment on why Romney thinks veterans are entitled parasites? Because that's what he believes.


Let's hear the quote.
 
2012-09-19 10:49:17 AM

Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.


i.imgur.com

Please, do go on.
 
2012-09-19 10:49:52 AM

machodonkeywrestler: Cletus C.: quatchi: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Look at how stupid you are.

Your point is well-reasoned but sadly lacking in saliency.

You 99 percenters are a touchy, prickly bunch.

I can guarantee no one on FARK is a 1%er.


So true. Just like the majority is hardly moral. You just claim the land when you're waging war.
 
2012-09-19 10:50:05 AM
Watching rich people openly condemn poor people as lazy and moochers is just so vomitous.
 
2012-09-19 10:52:33 AM

Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.


Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 

www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-09-19 10:53:07 AM

The Reverend Smith: Let's hear the quote.


He was complaining about people who believe they are entitled to health care.

Veterans receive health care courtesy of the Federal government as part of their service. You might say they're entitled to it. They are, in essence, dependent upon the government for their health care. Let's also remember that soldiers in combat zones have exemptions on their income taxes.

By Mitt Romney's definition, veterans at the VA and soldiers in combat zones are entitled parasites.

Then there's all the old people who get social security and medicare after paying into the system their whole lives that Romney also considers entitled parasites. Now let that one sink in too. he's saying that because you pay for something, believing you should receive what you paid for is entitlement. Not only is this ridiculous, but it also says that he thinks the government is entitled to take your money without giving anything in return.

See, it's not quite as simple as your youtube page and teabagger chainmails would want you to believe.
 
2012-09-19 10:54:23 AM

theknuckler_33: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 


Apparently it's gotten even worse under his administration. Go figure.
 
2012-09-19 10:55:49 AM

Corvus: So republucans want to get rid of social security, Medicare and public schools?



Have you been under a rock for the past 32 years?
 
2012-09-19 10:56:09 AM
We should also remember that Mitt Romney is the man who said he didn't serve in the military because he believes he was destined for greater things, and didn't want to risk his self stated destiny.

So not only does he think those who do serve are entitled parasites, he thinks he's more important and better than they are.
 
2012-09-19 10:56:41 AM

Aarontology: See, it's not quite as simple as your youtube page and teabagger chainmails would want you to believe.


img0.etsystatic.com

/teabag chainmail
 
2012-09-19 10:57:45 AM

skullkrusher: /teabag chainmail


lol
 
2012-09-19 10:58:34 AM

Aarontology: The Reverend Smith: Let's hear the quote.

He was complaining about people who believe they are entitled to health care.

Veterans receive health care courtesy of the Federal government as part of their service. You might say they're entitled to it. They are, in essence, dependent upon the government for their health care. Let's also remember that soldiers in combat zones have exemptions on their income taxes.

By Mitt Romney's definition, veterans at the VA and soldiers in combat zones are entitled parasites.

Then there's all the old people who get social security and medicare after paying into the system their whole lives that Romney also considers entitled parasites. Now let that one sink in too. he's saying that because you pay for something, believing you should receive what you paid for is entitlement. Not only is this ridiculous, but it also says that he thinks the government is entitled to take your money without giving anything in return.

See, it's not quite as simple as your youtube page and teabagger chainmails would want you to believe.


And you narrowed it down to only veterans. Well done.

Of course his abuse of veterans is well documented.
 
2012-09-19 10:58:55 AM

DamnYankees: Watching rich people openly condemn poor people as lazy and moochers is just so vomitous.



Maybe if they'd invested their birthday money in the market like Mitt did they wouldn't have to mooch off the public bus to go back and forth between their two minimum wage counter-jockey positions six days a week.

Life is about choices. Mitt chose to invest his birthday money. Mitt chose to do well in preparatory school. Mitt chose to be born to two people who had substantial business and political connections and established wealth. Stop blaming other people for your own bad decisions and take a little responsibility for once, huh?
 
2012-09-19 10:59:45 AM

Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.


Yes, I noticed Fox News started parading this out yesterday to take away from the Romney gaffe.
 
2012-09-19 10:59:46 AM

Skarekrough: The GOP just needs to have the implosion and get over with.

As a Democrat I don't want a vacuum where were allowed to go overboard. It's detrimental to a democracy that we have someone to keep us in check. And right now the GOP is just shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.

Please guys....pull it together. Cast off the nutcases that are doing you harm. Come back to reality and let's get some work done.


Cast off the nutcases?

When I hear things like this I realize many people don't understand how deep into the republican party the crazy goes. The crazies have and are casting out the sane ones. I would say the majority of purging is over now, and the three people that they had to get rid of are none to happy.
 
2012-09-19 10:59:47 AM

The Reverend Smith: Aarontology: The Reverend Smith: Let's hear the quote.

He was complaining about people who believe they are entitled to health care.

Veterans receive health care courtesy of the Federal government as part of their service. You might say they're entitled to it. They are, in essence, dependent upon the government for their health care. Let's also remember that soldiers in combat zones have exemptions on their income taxes.

By Mitt Romney's definition, veterans at the VA and soldiers in combat zones are entitled parasites.

Then there's all the old people who get social security and medicare after paying into the system their whole lives that Romney also considers entitled parasites. Now let that one sink in too. he's saying that because you pay for something, believing you should receive what you paid for is entitlement. Not only is this ridiculous, but it also says that he thinks the government is entitled to take your money without giving anything in return.

See, it's not quite as simple as your youtube page and teabagger chainmails would want you to believe.

And you narrowed it down to only veterans. Well done.

Of course his abuse of veterans is well documented.


Oh, wow! He donated thousands of pints of milk to sick veterans? I bet that'll help them pay the rent and the medical bills.
 
2012-09-19 11:01:14 AM

Skarekrough: The GOP just needs to have the implosion and get over with.

As a Democrat I don't want a vacuum where were allowed to go overboard. It's detrimental to a democracy that we have someone to keep us in check. And right now the GOP is just shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.


If anything, this is why there should be a ban on high capacity magazines.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 11:01:20 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

You know who else knew what to do with parasites?
 
2012-09-19 11:02:05 AM

Lord_Baull: Have you been under a rock for the past 32 years?


To be fair, they don't want to get rid of them... just harm them irreparably. It's sort of like the distinction between beating a person to within an inch of their life and actually killing them. There may not be any functionally external difference between the two acts, but, technically, the person is still alive.

That way they can claim they still support the safety net but none of those dirty poor people actually get anything useful.

/ I got a million dollar tax break out of Ryan's Medicare plan, you got a nice little slip of paper that will almost cover a bottle of Tylenol! See? We both win!
 
2012-09-19 11:03:28 AM

The Reverend Smith: And you narrowed it down to only veterans. Well done.


That's because I was talking about veterans, and Mitt Romney's contempt and hatred of them. It's called the flow of conversation. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

After all, they fit into his definition of entitled parasites.And you seem to agree with those disgusting views.

it must really burn you up inside that someone is getting medical care from the government after serving in war instead of being thrown away.
 
2012-09-19 11:04:28 AM

Cletus C.: theknuckler_33: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 


Apparently it's gotten even worse under his administration. Go figure.


Moving them goalposts is tiring, eh?
 
2012-09-19 11:04:37 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Lord_Baull: Have you been under a rock for the past 32 years?

To be fair, they don't want to get rid of them... just harm them irreparably. It's sort of like the distinction between beating a person to within an inch of their life and actually killing them. There may not be any functionally external difference between the two acts, but, technically, the person is still alive.

That way they can claim they still support the safety net but none of those dirty poor people actually get anything useful.

/ I got a million dollar tax break out of Ryan's Medicare plan, you got a nice little slip of paper that will almost cover a bottle of Tylenol! See? We both win!


I disagree. They don't want to harm them irreparably, though that is one of the eventual consequences. They want to privatize them.
 
2012-09-19 11:04:39 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: DamnYankees: Watching rich people openly condemn poor people as lazy and moochers is just so vomitous.


Maybe if they'd invested their birthday money in the market like Mitt did they wouldn't have to mooch off the public bus to go back and forth between their two minimum wage counter-jockey positions six days a week.

Life is about choices. Mitt chose to invest his birthday money. Mitt chose to do well in preparatory school. Mitt chose to be born to two people who had substantial business and political connections and established wealth. Stop blaming other people for your own bad decisions and take a little responsibility for once, huh?


Yeah, but Mitt gave away his inheritance, so he knows what it's like to have to put yourself through middle school while dodging gunfire on your way home from school and subsisting on ketchup and rice for half a meal a day while your closest adult relative pesters you for the debit card - AGAIN - to "buy some bread from the liquor store".

No one gave him a hand up from the penultimate rung of the ladder, my friend. You can make the leap same as Mitt did - with moxie and brains and gumption and bootstraps.
 
2012-09-19 11:05:35 AM

Aarontology: The Reverend Smith: And you narrowed it down to only veterans. Well done.

That's because I was talking about veterans, and Mitt Romney's contempt and hatred of them. It's called the flow of conversation. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

After all, they fit into his definition of entitled parasites.And you seem to agree with those disgusting views.

it must really burn you up inside that someone is getting medical care from the government after serving in war instead of being thrown away.


No, Mitt Romney's donation of thousands of pints of milk more than makes up for that. Milk! Thousands of pints!
 
2012-09-19 11:06:16 AM

Rapmaster2000: Dr Dreidel: Nome de Plume: The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville

As opposed to what, numbnuts? Setting it on fire? Any government that has ever collected taxes and built roads or schools or anything not a statue or palace has "bribed the public with its own money".

There's this idea that a quote from a dead philosopher is always trenchant and poignant. See CS Lewis.


There's also the fact that de Toqueville never said any such thing (as anyone who's ever read a word of his writing would know).
 
2012-09-19 11:08:09 AM

qorkfiend: No, Mitt Romney's donation of thousands of pints of milk more than makes up for that. Milk! Thousands of pints!


That was when he was governor of Massachusetts.

You know, when he signed the assault weapons ban, was supportive of gay rights, and... oh yeah! Signed RomneyCare which became the basis for ObamaCare.

Gotta wonder why Romney supported RomneyCare when he thinks it's somehow a parasitic entitlement when Obama signed it.
 
2012-09-19 11:08:23 AM

Cletus C.: theknuckler_33: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 


Apparently it's gotten even worse under his administration. Go figure.


So you are upset that the wealth of the 1% has not been redistributed to us during the Obama Administration? If there was only a way to do that...

BTW, you are also admitting that trickle down economics does not work.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 11:08:25 AM

Aarontology: The Reverend Smith: And you narrowed it down to only veterans. Well done.

That's because I was talking about veterans, and Mitt Romney's contempt and hatred of them. It's called the flow of conversation. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

After all, they fit into his definition of entitled parasites.And you seem to agree with those disgusting views.

it must really burn you up inside that someone is getting medical care from the government after serving in war instead of being thrown away.


Well, cannon fodder is supposed to be expendable.
 
2012-09-19 11:09:40 AM

fenianfark: [i47.photobucket.com image 543x415]


/Shamelessly stolen from another Farker


And I'm stealing it again!
 
2012-09-19 11:12:46 AM

Skarekrough: The GOP just needs to have the implosion and get over with.

As a Democrat I don't want a vacuum where were allowed to go overboard. It's detrimental to a democracy that we have someone to keep us in check. And right now the GOP is just shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.

Please guys....pull it together. Cast off the nutcases that are doing you harm. Come back to reality and let's get some work done.


Here's the problem: Those nutacses make a up a significant part of the GOP voter bloc. Call these folks into question and you hear about how the "establishment GOP" is trying to rig the election.

Todd Akin is not the face of the GOP, but he's no outlier either.
 
2012-09-19 11:13:40 AM

hugram: Cletus C.: theknuckler_33: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 


Apparently it's gotten even worse under his administration. Go figure.

So you are upset that the wealth of the 1% has not been redistributed to us during the Obama Administration? If there was only a way to do that...

BTW, you are also admitting that trickle down economics does not work.


And I thought I was just quipping.
 
2012-09-19 11:15:28 AM

Cletus C.: hugram: Cletus C.: theknuckler_33: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 


Apparently it's gotten even worse under his administration. Go figure.

So you are upset that the wealth of the 1% has not been redistributed to us during the Obama Administration? If there was only a way to do that...

BTW, you are also admitting that trickle down economics does not work.

And I thought I was just quipping.


The old Republican "It was a joke" excuse. OK then, carry on...
 
2012-09-19 11:16:18 AM

Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.


So Welfare Queens are not a class warfare weapon?
 
2012-09-19 11:16:45 AM

hugram: Cletus C.: hugram: Cletus C.: theknuckler_33: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 


Apparently it's gotten even worse under his administration. Go figure.

So you are upset that the wealth of the 1% has not been redistributed to us during the Obama Administration? If there was only a way to do that...

BTW, you are also admitting that trickle down economics does not work.

And I thought I was just quipping.

The old Republican "It was a joke" excuse. OK then, carry on...


If you can't keep up, take off the training wheels.
 
2012-09-19 11:17:48 AM

All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

So Welfare Queens are not a class warfare weapon?


They are a great weapon. Why do you ask?
 
2012-09-19 11:18:15 AM

All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

So Welfare Queens are not a class warfare weapon?


Only if you sharpen them and tape them to the end of a stick.
 
2012-09-19 11:19:03 AM

Epoch_Zero: All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

So Welfare Queens are not a class warfare weapon?

Only if you sharpen them and tape them to the end of a stick.


QFF
 
2012-09-19 11:21:32 AM

Epoch_Zero: All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

So Welfare Queens are not a class warfare weapon?

Only if you sharpen them and tape them to the end of a stick.


Awesome.
 
2012-09-19 11:26:19 AM
This election is "The Revenge Of John Kerry".
 
2012-09-19 11:28:36 AM

Granny_Panties: The good old days before all the darn welfare...

[stinsonvirtualclassroom.wikispaces.com image 634x483]


That's also the same picture before:
- Building Standards
- EPA Standards
- Labor Laws
- Zoning
- Infrastructure Spending

and the list goes on.
 
2012-09-19 11:39:48 AM
That's right, republicans. Talk about how much you hate Grandma and want to destroy her Social Security & Medicaid.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-19 11:40:09 AM

FlashHarry: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Huh. A respected conservative thinktank site? On *my* Fark? GTFO.

AEI? respected? lol.


Yeah, those guys are just like the Heritage Institute people, and look at damn individual mandate health insurance plan they came up with.

Link

Link

When Obama used his time machine to go back and seed Obamacare into the body politic, it was places like HI and AEI that he landed.

Just ask AEI alumnus, David Frum.
 
2012-09-19 11:46:09 AM

CPennypacker: I pay SS, Medicare, and federal income taxes. I pay unemployment insurance.

They are called entitlements because if I need them, I am entitled to them.

Welcome to society, douchebags.


Unemployment benefits are not employee-funded. Employers pay a tax to fund that program, based on the size of their workforce, their payroll, and their history of offering stable employment.

TMYK...
 
2012-09-19 11:47:32 AM
Fiscally, sure.

Morally - need to differentiate between truly caring for those that need it and booting those that don't off. The moral thing to do for all citizens is to run these programs as efficiently as possible.
 
2012-09-19 11:51:03 AM
Eh, I'll bite.

Even accepting the premise (and, conditionally, I actually do, as I think aid spending could be significantly better-managed, especially medicaid/medicare), this entire set of statistics is based around, as the first point notes, federal transfers to individuals.

The obvious question is how does the author justify leaving out transfers and welfare to groups, for instance corporate subsidies, state aid (which mostly goes to private corporations), and aid which doesn't take the form of transfers from the government? An example of the last would be tax exemptions, which disproportionately aid the very poor and the very rich, and the artificially low rate at which investment income is taxed (lower than the federal income tax by far), which almost solely aids the very rich?

I actually agree that this is a good national conversation to have, I just think I'm disagreeing with his arbitrarily defined and narrow scope, which I feel constitute a set of limitations that he hasn't logically justified.
 
2012-09-19 11:51:07 AM

machodonkeywrestler: Cletus C.: quatchi: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Look at how stupid you are.

Your point is well-reasoned but sadly lacking in saliency.

You 99 percenters are a touchy, prickly bunch.

I can guarantee no one on FARK is a 1%er.


Don't be too sure. There are a couple of people who've posted on FARK who appeared to have a good deal of money. One of them lived in a large custom home, just down the street from the mansion one of the Jonas Brothers had built. The funny thing is, none of the real assholes who post to the politics tab are those people.
 
2012-09-19 11:54:10 AM
Hey lets start with these "free loaders" first.

thinkprogress.org
 
2012-09-19 11:56:35 AM

forgotmydamnusername: machodonkeywrestler: Cletus C.: quatchi: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Look at how stupid you are.

Your point is well-reasoned but sadly lacking in saliency.

You 99 percenters are a touchy, prickly bunch.

I can guarantee no one on FARK is a 1%er.

Don't be too sure. There are a couple of people who've posted on FARK who appeared to have a good deal of money. One of them lived in a large custom home, just down the street from the mansion one of the Jonas Brothers had built. The funny thing is, none of the real assholes who post to the politics tab are those people.


I know a one percenter. He is as derpy as the right wing idiots on FARK. And guess how he made his money that he is so worried about "Obama stealing"? From his wife of course!
 
2012-09-19 11:57:14 AM

sprawl15: [imageshack.us image 400x310]

ELIMINATE THE EPA 2012


j.wigflip.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 11:57:20 AM

All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

So Welfare Queens are not a class warfare weapon?


No, that's race warfare. Totally different.
 
2012-09-19 11:57:48 AM

Cletus C.: hugram: Cletus C.: hugram: Cletus C.: theknuckler_33: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 


Apparently it's gotten even worse under his administration. Go figure.

So you are upset that the wealth of the 1% has not been redistributed to us during the Obama Administration? If there was only a way to do that...

BTW, you are also admitting that trickle down economics does not work.

And I thought I was just quipping.

The old Republican "It was a joke" excuse. OK then, carry on...

If you can't keep up, take off the training wheels.


Says the one who's getting lapped by the field...
 
2012-09-19 11:58:28 AM

Cletus C.: quatchi: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Look at how stupid you are.

Your point is well-reasoned but sadly lacking in saliency.

You 99 percenters are a touchy, prickly bunch.


You're poor, bored, dumb and probably have a form of OCD. That's the only diagnosis of people who perpetually troll a low pageview website.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 12:00:28 PM

Epoch_Zero: All2morrowsparTs: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

So Welfare Queens are not a class warfare weapon?

Only if you sharpen them and tape them to the end of a stick.


Wouldn't it be better to throw them with a catapult?

neeser.files.wordpress.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-19 12:02:08 PM

LibertyHiller: CPennypacker: I pay SS, Medicare, and federal income taxes. I pay unemployment insurance.

They are called entitlements because if I need them, I am entitled to them.

Welcome to society, douchebags.

Unemployment benefits are not employee-funded. Employers pay a tax to fund that program, based on the size of their workforce, their payroll, and their history of offering stable employment.

TMYK...


So what? It's a part of their compensation just like the employer portion of health insurance.
 
2012-09-19 12:08:54 PM

Phil Moskowitz: Cletus C.: quatchi: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Look at how stupid you are.

Your point is well-reasoned but sadly lacking in saliency.

You 99 percenters are a touchy, prickly bunch.

You're poor, bored, dumb and probably have a form of OCD. That's the only diagnosis of people who perpetually troll a low pageview website.


You lost me there at the end, Biff.
 
2012-09-19 12:17:33 PM

indylaw: Agreed. He should say that unemployed people are only employed because they're lazy and addicted to the drugs and God hates them. If God wants them to die friendless and alone in the streets, who is the President of the United States to argue??


Hey, if those deadbeats wanted to become part of the owner society, they would report to one of those Chinese work-camps that he was talking about where 120 girls share one bathroom. These are the kinds of jobs that Mitt approves of, and this is what he'd like to see.
 
2012-09-19 12:22:40 PM

vpb: LibertyHiller: CPennypacker: I pay SS, Medicare, and federal income taxes. I pay unemployment insurance.

They are called entitlements because if I need them, I am entitled to them.

Welcome to society, douchebags.

Unemployment benefits are not employee-funded. Employers pay a tax to fund that program, based on the size of their workforce, their payroll, and their history of offering stable employment.

TMYK...

So what? It's a part of their compensation just like the employer portion of health insurance.


No, you can't place UI in the same category as disability, FICA and SS, or health coverage, because employees don't contribute a dime out of their paychecks to it.

Given the lopsided nature of labor relations in this country, employees have gotdamn well earned UI and are generally justified in considering themselves entitled to it. I was simply correcting Pennypacker on his mistaken belief that employees are entitled to UI because they pay into it, because they in fact do not. Do you understand the difference now?
 
2012-09-19 12:32:52 PM

Granny_Panties: The good old days before all the darn welfare...

[stinsonvirtualclassroom.wikispaces.com image 634x483]


Fun fact - that particular Hooverville was located where Safeco Field and CenturyLink Stadium stand today, both of which were constructed with public funds for the benefit of private interests. I presume that's what you were referring to when you said "before all the darn welfare," right?
 
2012-09-19 12:43:57 PM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 332x500]


www.imgderp.com
 
2012-09-19 12:46:14 PM

Jim_Callahan: The obvious question is how does the author justify leaving out transfers and welfare to groups, for instance corporate subsidies, state aid (which mostly goes to private corporations), and aid which doesn't take the form of transfers from the government?


A couple of things here. The term entitlement spending generally is defined as SS, Medicare and Medicaid. I'll agree that it is not the most accurate term, but it is generally accepted as such.

Secondly, these programs on on the spending side of the leger, whereas tax breaks and credits for corporations generally affect the revenue side. That is why these subsidy and tax discussions are somewhat seperated from the goverment spending discussion.

Now when you start discussing the deficits and debt, or what we can do to boost revenues, these issues need to be front and center.
 
2012-09-19 12:47:59 PM

Nome de Plume: The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville


True; in addition:

Democracy can work as a system of governance up unto the point the electorate realizes it can vote itself funds from the public treasury.
-- paraphrased from someone who I forget and am too lazy to look up since it seems like a self-evident truth
 
2012-09-19 12:53:20 PM

HeadLever: Secondly, these programs on on the spending side of the leger, whereas tax breaks and credits for corporations generally affect the revenue side. That is why these subsidy and tax discussions are somewhat seperated from the goverment spending discussion.


Then why are tax breaks counted as spending in things like the budget and the Recovery Act?
 
2012-09-19 12:55:57 PM

theknuckler_33: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]


No, that was always happening.

For SOME REASON (GEE CAN IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT ROMNEY IS THE WEALTHIEST PERSON EVER TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT?) the dialog this election cycle seems really to have zeroed in on this issue. I'm glad it did. The wealthy in general (except entertainers and attention whores) like to keep below the radar; the last few years of economic upheaval have really swung the spotlight around to them.
 
2012-09-19 01:03:21 PM

Flaming Yawn: theknuckler_33: Cletus C.: It's the other side's ammo in the class war Obama started.

Obama started the massive concentration of wealth among the top 1-2% of people in this country? 

[www.strangecosmos.com image 450x385]

No, that was always happening.

For SOME REASON (GEE CAN IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT ROMNEY IS THE WEALTHIEST PERSON EVER TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT?) the dialog this election cycle seems really to have zeroed in on this issue. I'm glad it did. The wealthy in general (except entertainers and attention whores) like to keep below the radar; the last few years of economic upheaval have really swung the spotlight around to them.


Success is now a bad thing.
 
2012-09-19 01:03:40 PM
Good luck with that. While he's at it, he can let Ryan discuss why veterans don't need any more benefits and that we should just let them bootstrap their way back to health and prosperity...
 
2012-09-19 01:04:04 PM

kpaxoid: That's right. Government for, by, and of the people should never return anything to the people.


I don't mind returning some of that to the folks that truly need it. However, you need to be careful as not to spend beyond your means.
 
2012-09-19 01:12:16 PM

cameroncrazy1984: HeadLever: Secondly, these programs on on the spending side of the leger, whereas tax breaks and credits for corporations generally affect the revenue side. That is why these subsidy and tax discussions are somewhat seperated from the goverment spending discussion.

Then why are tax breaks counted as spending in things like the budget and the Recovery Act?


They shouldn't be as they don't change government spending. They do impact government revenue.

Now if you are describing these items as an 'overall cost' or in a simliar manner, then that is much more of a broad idea that can include both.

Do you have a government publication or MSM article that describes this part of the program as 'spending' and not 'cost'? I would like to see it.
 
2012-09-19 01:13:21 PM

Flaming Yawn: For SOME REASON (GEE CAN IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT ROMNEY IS THE WEALTHIEST PERSON EVER TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT?) the dialog this election cycle seems really to have zeroed in on this issue. I'm glad it did. The wealthy in general (except entertainers and attention whores) like to keep below the radar; the last few years of economic upheaval have really swung the spotlight around to them.


Just wondering about that, because isn't John Kerry actually worth more?
 
2012-09-19 01:13:39 PM

HeadLever: kpaxoid: That's right. Government for, by, and of the people should never return anything to the people.

I don't mind returning some of that to the folks that truly need it. However, you need to be careful as not to spend beyond your means.


Oddly enough, this is why I oppose so many subsidies to industries that don't actually need it...
 
2012-09-19 01:26:45 PM

hubiestubert: Oddly enough, this is why I oppose so many subsidies to industries that don't actually need it...


I would tend to agree. However, if you want to give up these tax breaks and subsides, you also have to give up the control that these policies oftentimes give you.
 
2012-09-19 01:41:11 PM

HeadLever: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, this is why I oppose so many subsidies to industries that don't actually need it...

I would tend to agree. However, if you want to give up these tax breaks and subsides, you also have to give up the control that these policies oftentimes give you.


The problem being, that given the relationship with campaign funding, it is often the other way around. It would be nice if we could close down this sort of graft--and that is exactly what it is--but folks don't really want to end those loopholes, because they're making a damn fine living at it.

Easier to go after folks who aren't organized, or who can't fight back, or don't have large amounts of cash to drop to campaign offices. We need campaign finance reform, and we needed it years ago.
 
2012-09-19 01:41:53 PM

Granny_Panties: I'm sorry, but you are out of money. There is a nice shantytown about a mile down the road for leeches like yourself, dad.


You snark, but this is part of the GOP platform, in a bit of a roundabout way.

Medicaid is the way most long-term care is funded in this country. (Old person goes to nursing home, spends all their assets on said home, qualifies for Medicaid). Medicare doesn't cover long-term care.

Ryan's proposal is to cut Medicaid funding by 1/3 immediately, and change it to block grants (so States need not make any particular class of people eligible).
 
2012-09-19 02:07:12 PM

Dog Welder: Flaming Yawn: For SOME REASON (GEE CAN IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT ROMNEY IS THE WEALTHIEST PERSON EVER TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT?) the dialog this election cycle seems really to have zeroed in on this issue. I'm glad it did. The wealthy in general (except entertainers and attention whores) like to keep below the radar; the last few years of economic upheaval have really swung the spotlight around to them.

Just wondering about that, because isn't John Kerry actually worth more?


Only if you lump Teresa's money in with his, which is not how their finances are generally understood. (They file separate tax returns.)

Flaming Yawn: Democracy can work as a system of governance up unto the point the electorate realizes it can vote itself funds from the public treasury.


That's supposed to be Alexander Tytler, but the earliest known version appears to be an unsourced attribution to Tytler in "This is the Hard Core of Freedom" by Elmer T. Peterson in The Daily Oklahoman (9 December 1951).
 
2012-09-19 04:22:35 PM

LibertyHiller: No, you can't place UI in the same category as disability, FICA and SS, or health coverage, because employees don't contribute a dime out of their paychecks to it.


And yet the level of payment that one can get from UI is directly tied to the size of their old paycheck.

Ironic, eh? Almost as if it were funded by some percentile of that paycheck being held back to pay for possible future benefits. .
 
2012-09-19 05:52:43 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: LibertyHiller: No, you can't place UI in the same category as disability, FICA and SS, or health coverage, because employees don't contribute a dime out of their paychecks to it.

And yet the level of payment that one can get from UI is directly tied to the size of their old paycheck.

Ironic, eh? Almost as if it were funded by some percentile of that paycheck being held back to pay for possible future benefits. .


I may use cages to keep both geese and chickens, but that doesn't mean they're the same kind of bird. Show me on your pay stub where money is taken out for UI.

Or while you're looking, I'll quote from the State of California:

California has four State payroll taxes which are administered by the Employment Development Department (EDD). They are Unemployment Insurance (UI) and Employment Training Tax (ETT), which are employer contributions, and State Disability Insurance (SDI) and Personal Income Tax (PIT), which are withheld from employees' wages.

Wages are generally subject to all four payroll taxes. However, some types of employment are not subject to payroll taxes and/or PIT withholding. For more information, please refer to the California Employer's Guide (DE 44).


(I emphasized that bit for your benefit.)
 
2012-09-19 09:32:13 PM

Dr Dreidel: Nome de Plume: The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
Alexis de Tocqueville

As opposed to what, numbnuts? Setting it on fire? Any government that has ever collected taxes and built roads or schools or anything not a statue or palace has "bribed the public with its own money".


It's been said that the difference between liberals and conservatives is a difference in the fundamental interpretation of the role of government in society. The trouble is, conservatives are all about what that role ISN'T. During this particular window in history, they're not terribly clear about what that role IS. Some of the Randier of the lot have told me, with a straight face, that the job of the government is a strong military and NOTHING ELSE ANYWHERE EVER. When you start delineating the preamble to the Constitution, which is pretty specific about what the framers thought government was for, they start mumbling that "welfare" doesn't literally mean "welfare."

Once conservatives are able to explain what government is, as opposed to what it isn't, then they'll be grownups again and we can have a conversation. But right now, all they want is "whatever pisses off liberals." And, hey, jerking around with the fundamental philosophical underpinnings of American society pisses off liberals. Who knew.
 
2012-09-19 10:19:15 PM
 
2012-09-20 12:52:25 AM

peasandcarrots: The trouble is, conservatives are all about what that role ISN'T.


And liberals are all about what goverment IS. When you start trying to be everything to everyone, you end up failing. The answer likely lies somewhere in the middle.

This conservative belives that goverment should generally be as small as possible and still provide for the general welfare to all of its citizens. Defense, Justice/Law Enforcement, efficient safety net, EPA and a few other selct items are fine in my book.

/the devil is always in the details.
 
2012-09-20 12:57:08 AM

TheBigJerk: meh.


Meh is right.

Born poor and living not poor. Haven't died yet so can't comment on that. However, if government spending does not slow down, the taxes that will be required from us all will ensure that your poster is right. You will just need to update it to show the big guy as Uncle Sam.
 
2012-09-20 02:28:48 AM

Cletus C.: You lost me there at the end, Biff.


Malignant narcissists troll places like youtube. You don't even care how many people see your stupidity. You're damaged in other ways.
 
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