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2012-09-19 10:57:41 AM
4 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Look up the story of Horus. It's the story of Jesus.

Written in 2500 BC.


And Noah is Utnapishtim, and like 50% of "Jesus" stories in the Bible are actually John the Baptist stories (despite John actually being a character in the new testament).

For all their faults, old-school religions never really fell into the conceit of the mythology being original or word-perfect. That's more a flaw of modern versions (both of Christianity and other "holy book" religions like Islam and some branches of Judaism). Had you asked, say, St. Augustine, who is so Christian he founded a Monastic order and was sainted, why this text implies Jesus had a wife and this didn't, he'd have said that this text is one recognized by the church and that isn't, and they were selected as such to keep the themes of the New Testament consistent. Then he'd probably add that you seemed to be missing the point of the religion, which was don't be a dick, god is more powerful than death, and you owe the church 10% of your income.

Augustine also explicitly cautioned against nitpicking scripture and using it to deny scientific observations (a tradition that was just starting up when he was around as literacy was slowly spreading and people could actually read the bible instead of using a priest). He argued that religion has a spiritual purpose and using it to deny obvious truths was abusing it and only served to drive off potential converts by making the whole thing look stupid.

Smart guy.
2012-09-19 10:33:08 AM
4 votes:
Is there actually any Christian that isn't aware that the New Testament was condensed from about ten times as much starting material to pare out internal contradictions and redundancy and to keep it on message?

Because if there is... yo, dog, I heard you like the councils of Nice.
2012-09-19 10:31:07 AM
4 votes:
Look up the story of Horus. It's the story of Jesus.

Written in 2500 BC.
2012-09-19 10:28:02 AM
4 votes:

strangeguitar: [i290.photobucket.com image 150x200]

Of course Jesus had a wife! This is one of his decendants


Dude, she was his great-great-.....................-great-niece, not daughter.
2012-09-19 10:19:00 AM
4 votes:
Not to go off on a tangent, but it amuses me how much the defenders of marriage have such a negative view of marriage (and sex of course) when it comes to Jesus. His mother was married, but she was a virgin her whole life, so technically they never consummated the marriage. Jesus was the perfect sinless person, so he could never get married and have sex. I know this is generalizing their beliefs, but it does seem like Christians, especially Catholics, are very adamant that those two never had sex.
2012-09-19 10:47:02 AM
3 votes:
Why is it people can accept that Jesus spoke in parables as a way to communicate broader concepts, but they can't seem to wrap their minds around the idea that the Bible itself is a parable, not live indisputable history?
2012-09-19 10:17:30 AM
3 votes:

rev. dave: So?
Most people have been making up stuff as they go to fit their beliefs for centuries despite the written texts, how will this change their minds?


What passes for "proof" these days is a poor sample of speculative reasoning.
2012-09-19 10:05:41 AM
3 votes:
www.bbc.co.uk

Just because some dude with mysterious powers and who can come back from the dead likes traveling around with a female companion, doesn't necessarily mean they're husband and wife, or even doing it.
2012-09-19 01:56:52 PM
2 votes:
Titan +Woman =God
God +Woman = Demigod
Demigod +Woman = Warrior
Warrior + Woman = Man
2012-09-19 11:32:05 AM
2 votes:
By the way, Dan Brown ripped off "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" for his book. It's an interesting read, but recently investigations have show pretty much everything the author's based their research on turns out to be made up. The guy planting stuff in the French libraries was a crook and con man and admitted to making it all up, and the story of the priest in France with a sudden fortune and "secret" was made up by a guy running a cafe who wanted more business.

I'm sorry, it's been 2000+ years. No one knows. Everything we have is based on "church tradition" which is another way of saying "things people in power tell you to keep you from revolting and taking their power". Want to be a good Christian? Be nice, help those less fortunate than you, and don't be a dick. Done. Anything else ("ban teh gayz!" "kill the abortion doc before he kills again") is not Christ. Christ didn't run for public office.
2012-09-19 11:04:35 AM
2 votes:

frepnog: Mary (Jesus' mother) was married to Joseph and had other children that were fathered by him. No one Christian that knows anything about their religion claims that Mary was "forever a virgin". She was not.


That's what we were taught in Catholic school.

I'm pretty sure we weren't alone in that, considering there's a good joke about it in Dogma.

linky
2012-09-19 10:44:45 AM
2 votes:
Even the gospels that did make it into the watered down bible we have today tell us very specifically of Jesus' 4 brothers, James, Joseph, Judas and Simon and it mentions his sisters but it doesn't go on to mention them by name.

And yet when I mention those things to "believers" most of them are under the impression that Mary had only one child and Joseph had only one wife.

So if self-described "christians" are unaware of Jesus' family life as it is described in the texts that weren't suppressed by the people who edited the bible, how are they expected to make sense of the parts of his family that were suppressed?
2012-09-19 10:38:13 AM
2 votes:
The real problem here is that we're wasting our time talking about a 2000 year old ripoff of a 4000 year old mythology, when we should be talking about what an incredible douchebag Mitt Romney is.
2012-09-19 10:35:16 AM
2 votes:

snocone: His mother was married, but she was a virgin her whole life, so technically they never consummated the marriage. Jesus was the perfect sinless person, so he could never get married and have sex. I know this is generalizing their beliefs, but it does seem like Christians, especially Catholics, are very adamant that those two never had sex.


The Catholics and some Orthodox sects are the only ones who believe that. Protestants believe Jesus had siblings: Link

Personally, I'd believe that Jesus was married, I'd also believe that he might have married a reformed prostitute. Showing that he could give the ultimate natural love to even the lowest of sinners. That was kind of his point for being here.
2012-09-19 10:28:42 AM
2 votes:
I was not aware that Messiah was an allegedly celibate position.
2012-09-19 10:16:30 AM
2 votes:
A piece of a fragment, without context? What would it mean if Jesus had a wife? Scholars 3000 years from now might find a data fragment of this post from a cache on the beer soaked Fark servers and if all they got was the stuff after "if and before "?", they could say they had a text that said "Jesus had a wife".

/Or maybe he was telling a joke
//"Take my wife, please . . . "
2012-09-19 10:15:45 AM
2 votes:
So?
Most people have been making up stuff as they go to fit their beliefs for centuries despite the written texts, how will this change their minds?
2012-09-19 10:08:52 AM
2 votes:
Can't wait for the Jesus fad to blow over already.
2012-09-19 04:35:37 PM
1 votes:

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: The aversion to sex is a modern invention of certain sects of American Protestantism. Seriously, read the Song of Solomon if you think there is an aversion to sex.


I had heard it was more the Victorian English that started it but the more or less Puritans Protestants brought it home to America. (maybe I got that backwards) I figure it had something to do with the population of an island nation after the plagues stopped killing a large portion of their population. Cultures tend to self regulate.
Too much population pressure = "Sex is evil"
Huge drop in population due to war, or plague = "Have at it with all your 12 wives or mistresses"
Until the invention of the pill screwed that all up.
2012-09-19 04:20:16 PM
1 votes:

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Jument: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Jument: frepnog: Marine1: Jument:

So then why is the old testament published in Christian bibles?

/genuinely curious

My thought is that it serves as historical and religious context to Christianity and Christ's teachings, there is some beautiful literature (the Psalms come to mind), and they contain the prophecies that Christ is thought to fulfill.

/not a theologian


Bingo. It was a different world back then and people thought in a different way. It is important to understand that their culture was not ours and in fact, our culture is based on the radical changes that were expressed by these teachings. Basically Jesus comes along and totally upset the philosophy and cultural baseline. Things we take for granted didn't even cross their minds and vis versa.
2012-09-19 03:31:43 PM
1 votes:

Aidan: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: I was raised orthodox, but what kept me interested in it (personally, to me, the existence of the supernatural stuff isn't a big concern, rather the teachings on how to treat your fellow man are more important) was that it is a very mystical and ancient tradition and draws much from the old mystery cults that were rampant in the Roman empire.

You just increased my pragmatic understanding of Eastern Orthodoxy (yes?) by a factor of ... a lot. Thank you. :) I'd ask more questions, but it's been a long day today. I'll bug you in some unrelated thread 3 months from now.


Sounds good!
2012-09-19 01:49:03 PM
1 votes:
Paul was a dick. Seriously, why would Jesus even hang out with that guy? He's like the one guy that comes out to the bar and insults the drinks, insults your girlfriend, goes on a long rant about how all women are whores and that he chooses not to be with any of them so that's why he's single and then, after years of not buying one single drink, the dude shows up at your funeral saying that he's really the only close friend you had.

fark Paul.
2012-09-19 01:46:48 PM
1 votes:
FTFA:

"Christian tradition has long held that Jesus was not married existed, even though no reliable historical evidence exists to support that claim," King said

Fixed for accuracy.
2012-09-19 12:09:48 PM
1 votes:

Aidan: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Hm. I guess we Orthodox know nothing about our religion. I'll make sure the Archbishop of Constantinople hears about this. He'll be sure to thank you, random Internet guy, for this lesson on theology that all Christianity agrees upon.

That's bizarre (sorry) and fascinating. I didn't know any of that!

Marine1: zipdog: Ah yes, the Gnostic Gospels. And you thought Twilight fan-fic was bad.

Don't bother telling these people they're crap. It'll only be met with "WELL THE ORIGINAL IS FAKE TOO" or something along those lines.

This could have been a great conversation, but you poisoned it.


I was raised orthodox, but what kept me interested in it (personally, to me, the existence of the supernatural stuff isn't a big concern, rather the teachings on how to treat your fellow man are more important) was that it is a very mystical and ancient tradition and draws much from the old mystery cults that were rampant in the Roman empire.
2012-09-19 12:06:56 PM
1 votes:

born_yesterday: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: frepnog: Conthan: Not to go off on a tangent, but it amuses me how much the defenders of marriage have such a negative view of marriage (and sex of course) when it comes to Jesus. His mother was married, but she was a virgin her whole life, so technically they never consummated the marriage. Jesus was the perfect sinless person, so he could never get married and have sex. I know this is generalizing their beliefs, but it does seem like Christians, especially Catholics, are very adamant that those two never had sex.

not so.

Mary (Jesus' mother) was married to Joseph and had other children that were fathered by him. No one Christian that knows anything about their religion claims that Mary was "forever a virgin". She was not.

And since it seems that Jesus (if he really ever existed) was fathered by a Roman soldier, I would say not a virgin at all.

And since the supernatural is total bunk and "god" never fathered a child with anyone.....

Hm. I guess we Orthodox know nothing about our religion. I'll make sure the Archbishop of Constantinople hears about this. He'll be sure to thank you, random Internet guy, for this lesson on theology that all Christianity agrees upon.

Leeds: Even the gospels that did make it into the watered down bible we have today tell us very specifically of Jesus' 4 brothers, James, Joseph, Judas and Simon and it mentions his sisters but it doesn't go on to mention them by name.

And yet when I mention those things to "believers" most of them are under the impression that Mary had only one child and Joseph had only one wife.

So if self-described "christians" are unaware of Jesus' family life as it is described in the texts that weren't suppressed by the people who edited the bible, how are they expected to make sense of the parts of his family that were suppressed?

Dude, think about it. The best solution that the brightest theologians have ever been able to come up with is "burn the heretic". It's a consequence o ...


The Orthodox have the most 'complete' form of the bible, excluding the gnostic gospels which were tossed out as early as 367, just as Christianity was becoming mainstream. The writings in Latin served much of the Roman empire up until the second millenium or so, as Latin was the lingua franca of much of western Europe. In fact, much of the New Testament was written in Greek, and the western church translated to Latin for the people to be able to read. Unfortunately it wasn't until Gutenberg's printing press that books as a whole became cheap enough for the common person to have, and at that time Germanic languages were popular in western europe, hence the King James translation of the Bible. In the old Eastern Empire, Greek was the common language, and the whole Bible was in Greek already. As what became known as the Orthodox religion spread (after the great schism of 1054-1055) to areas that spoke other languages (most notably the Slavic and some Afro-Asiatic languages), the bible and the divine liturgy (which is basically a year-long drama of the New Testament) was translated to those: Russian, Estonian, Latvian, Coptic, Arabic, Armenian, Georgian, and many more.

tl;dr you should bone up on your history
2012-09-19 11:48:30 AM
1 votes:
The wonderful thing about faith is that you already have your mind made up. This way you can ignore any contradictory information.
2012-09-19 11:45:56 AM
1 votes:
I like this thread as an Atheist, know why?

1. No one will be murdered over this
2. no one will riot or burn any embassies
3. no one will arrest the person who revealed this information..

I guess we cant all be muslims though.
2012-09-19 11:45:18 AM
1 votes:

born_yesterday: Not sure if the information is out there, but I've been interested in researching the early history of the church, and the forces that led it to utterly crush the "feminine" nature of divinity. Sure, there are chicks in Christianity, but they all knew their place. Was this a way to minimize/combat the influence of paganism? A cultural necessity of desert life transposed as the "Will of God"?


Yes, it is out there. And it's precisely what makes this fragment and other gnostic gospels so interesting. They are a window into the diversity of beliefs and practices the Christian communities had before orthodoxy was defined and enforced, and consequently into the process that marginalized the role of women.

Theologians don't study these fragments from the 4th century with the naive expectation that they will learn something new about the historical Jesus; they study them with the expectation that they will learn something new about what people in the 4th century thought about Jesus, which questions were considered settled and which were controversial, which debates shaped the church, and so on.

Think of it as being like a historian 1000 years from now studying the 2012 presidential race: they will learn next to nothing about the actual state of the American economy or society, but they will learn a lot about the questions that were hotly debated in America at the time. And they would no more expect what 2012 politicians say about the distant past of Reagan and Clinton to be accurate than we should expect what 4th century documents say about the 1st century Jesus to be accurate.
2012-09-19 11:39:12 AM
1 votes:

born_yesterday: The best solution that the brightest theologians have ever been able to come up with is "burn the heretic".


And that's how I know you've never read any actual theology.
2012-09-19 11:35:14 AM
1 votes:
The idea of a Jesus having a wife is actually pretty neat. It could give insight into the man.
And it would be awesome if Jesus had children. Because that could mean there is a guy wandering around capable of miracles.

But uhm. There is a lot of fan fiction to the bible. I'm talking from the period. There's a fanfic of baby Jesus fighting dragons.

Then there is the other explanation. Someone saw Jesus with a woman, Mary Magdoline? And assumed they were married. Just because it's on papyrus doesn't mean it's gospel. Just because it says, "my wife" doesn't mean he wrote it.
2012-09-19 11:34:09 AM
1 votes:
When God said, "be fruitful and multiply," apparently He was talking only to Noah to replenish the Earth after the flood. Besides, that Old Testament? it's a Jewish thing. There is nowhere (IIRC) in the New Testament that echoes that sentiment.
"Jesus," He commanded, "we don't want any more like you. Stay celibate!" just doesn't make sense for God to desire.
I believe that the translation, or the word meaning itself of "celibate" could have been interpreted as "monogamous." That would make SO much more sense in the big picture.
2012-09-19 11:29:28 AM
1 votes:

Red_Fox: Who gives a fark what it says the whole story is bullshiat and anyone with an IQ higher than Forest Gump knows that.


Even if you assume that none of the underlying theology is true, it remains profoundly important to historians. It documents how beliefs about Jesus were evolving at a critical point right around the time that acceptable Christian belief became "normalized". That in turn influenced almost every subsequent event in European and Middle Eastern history down to the present day.

And if you don't understand how important religious beliefs still are, regardless of whether they are right or wrong, you might want to turn on your TV because you've been missing some news from the Middle East and North Africa.
2012-09-19 11:24:38 AM
1 votes:
Phew. I was afraid that this piece of fictional writing about a fictional character might have changed the backstory of the original fictional writings of this fictional character.
2012-09-19 11:15:28 AM
1 votes:
This highlights for me the tremendous amount of brain drain that has been sucked into the interpretation and justification of such bizarre nonsense.
2012-09-19 11:10:51 AM
1 votes:

LOTN: Honestly, I'm not sure what so many people are doing worshiping a god that couldn't even get laid.


That was kind of the basis of a great romance book I read. Basically someone tries to get Chinese people interested in Christ, and their response is "He had no siblings and no kids? No family? Why would I follow someone so completely powerless?"
2012-09-19 11:09:45 AM
1 votes:

frepnog: Mary (Jesus' mother) was married to Joseph and had other children that were fathered by him. No one Christian that knows anything about their religion claims that Mary was "forever a virgin". She was not.


Utter nonsense.

It's very ancient christian doctrine that Mary was "ever virgin", and remains both Catholic and Eastern Orthodox doctrine to this day, even forming part of their liturgy. The canonical explanation for references to Jesus' siblings is that Joseph was already an old man when he married Mary, and that these are Joseph's children by his first marriage.

There is no biblical or historical basis for this, of course, but it is still completely wrong to assert that no informed Christians claim that Mary was forever virgin.

And since it seems that Jesus (if he really ever existed) was fathered by a Roman soldier, I would say not a virgin at all.

[citation required].

You appear to be confusing Jesus with Brian. Since next to nothing is known about the historical Jesus of Nazareth, it's barely less absurd to claim that his father was a Roman solider than it is to claim that his father was the Holy Spirit.
2012-09-19 11:09:10 AM
1 votes:
It's Complicated

Did Jesus have a wife
to keep him clothed and fed?
Did He share his earthly life
with a helpmate in his bed?

Did He know the simple pleasure
of an Aramaic miss?
Did he have a wife to treasure
and enjoy in human bliss?

Did Jesus walk the aisle
in the early Christian Age?
Is it time to change the profile
up on Heaven's Facebook page?

more poems at raysharp.wordpress.com
2012-09-19 11:05:39 AM
1 votes:
Translation error. Jesus didn't say "my wife", he said "my biatches be whack, yo! Lemme git a hit o' dat pipe.".

\yes, Jesus WAS a crackhead
2012-09-19 10:59:26 AM
1 votes:

Aidan: Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Hm. I guess we Orthodox know nothing about our religion. I'll make sure the Archbishop of Constantinople hears about this. He'll be sure to thank you, random Internet guy, for this lesson on theology that all Christianity agrees upon.

That's bizarre (sorry) and fascinating. I didn't know any of that!

Marine1: zipdog: Ah yes, the Gnostic Gospels. And you thought Twilight fan-fic was bad.

Don't bother telling these people they're crap. It'll only be met with "WELL THE ORIGINAL IS FAKE TOO" or something along those lines.

This could have been a great conversation, but you poisoned it.


Just sayin' what happened yesterday when I brought up the Gnostic gospels.
2012-09-19 10:57:53 AM
1 votes:
Who gives a fark what it says the whole story is bullshiat and anyone with an IQ higher than Forest Gump knows that.
2012-09-19 10:48:07 AM
1 votes:
This should make the fundamentalists heads explode. Actually, there is already ample evidence that Jesus was married and had children. He was supposed to be in every way man and the perfect Jew. As the latter, he had a duty to marry.
2012-09-19 10:47:36 AM
1 votes:

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Hm. I guess we Orthodox know nothing about our religion. I'll make sure the Archbishop of Constantinople hears about this. He'll be sure to thank you, random Internet guy, for this lesson on theology that all Christianity agrees upon.


That's bizarre (sorry) and fascinating. I didn't know any of that!

Marine1: zipdog: Ah yes, the Gnostic Gospels. And you thought Twilight fan-fic was bad.

Don't bother telling these people they're crap. It'll only be met with "WELL THE ORIGINAL IS FAKE TOO" or something along those lines.


This could have been a great conversation, but you poisoned it.
2012-09-19 10:40:48 AM
1 votes:
When I heard about this story that Jesus might have been a normal red-blooded man, I was so outraged that I ran down to the local embassy, prepared to burn and pillage. But, nobody else was there. How could this be? Muslims must be better at this kind of thing than Christians.
2012-09-19 10:39:45 AM
1 votes:

Aidan: enforcerpsu: A surprisingly well written article. It avoids the ridiculous assertion that any of this proves Jesus had a wife but also delves into the context of what a wife was at the time.

Color me surprised.

You forced me to go read TFA. And all I have to say is "Why did they use a Renaissance-era sketch of Christ?"

I'm so confused.


So he looks white
2012-09-19 10:35:39 AM
1 votes:

frepnog: Conthan: Not to go off on a tangent, but it amuses me how much the defenders of marriage have such a negative view of marriage (and sex of course) when it comes to Jesus. His mother was married, but she was a virgin her whole life, so technically they never consummated the marriage. Jesus was the perfect sinless person, so he could never get married and have sex. I know this is generalizing their beliefs, but it does seem like Christians, especially Catholics, are very adamant that those two never had sex.

not so.

Mary (Jesus' mother) was married to Joseph and had other children that were fathered by him. No one Christian that knows anything about their religion claims that Mary was "forever a virgin". She was not.

And since it seems that Jesus (if he really ever existed) was fathered by a Roman soldier, I would say not a virgin at all.

And since the supernatural is total bunk and "god" never fathered a child with anyone.....


Hm. I guess we Orthodox know nothing about our religion. I'll make sure the Archbishop of Constantinople hears about this. He'll be sure to thank you, random Internet guy, for this lesson on theology that all Christianity agrees upon.
2012-09-19 10:34:17 AM
1 votes:

zipdog: Ah yes, the Gnostic Gospels. And you thought Twilight fan-fic was bad.


Don't bother telling these people they're crap. It'll only be met with "WELL THE ORIGINAL IS FAKE TOO" or something along those lines.
2012-09-19 10:30:10 AM
1 votes:
Of course he had a wife. He was a good Jewish boy and he would have been betrothed at a young age, and probably married shortly after his Bar Mitzvah.
2012-09-19 10:29:59 AM
1 votes:
Somebody once told me that when Jesus made water into wine at the wedding it proved he was the groom since it was the husband's responsibility to provide wine to the guests.

Any truth to this?
2012-09-19 10:29:03 AM
1 votes:
A surprisingly well written article. It avoids the ridiculous assertion that any of this proves Jesus had a wife but also delves into the context of what a wife was at the time.

Color me surprised.
2012-09-19 10:26:35 AM
1 votes:

Conthan: Not to go off on a tangent, but it amuses me how much the defenders of marriage have such a negative view of marriage (and sex of course) when it comes to Jesus. His mother was married, but she was a virgin her whole life, so technically they never consummated the marriage. Jesus was the perfect sinless person, so he could never get married and have sex. I know this is generalizing their beliefs, but it does seem like Christians, especially Catholics, are very adamant that those two never had sex.


not so.

Mary (Jesus' mother) was married to Joseph and had other children that were fathered by him. No one Christian that knows anything about their religion claims that Mary was "forever a virgin". She was not.

And since it seems that Jesus (if he really ever existed) was fathered by a Roman soldier, I would say not a virgin at all.

And since the supernatural is total bunk and "god" never fathered a child with anyone.....
2012-09-19 10:26:10 AM
1 votes:
Ok, that's it.
I am all outraged.
Whar the Consulate? What time do we burn it?
2012-09-19 10:24:56 AM
1 votes:

Conthan: Not to go off on a tangent, but it amuses me how much the defenders of marriage have such a negative view of marriage (and sex of course) when it comes to Jesus. His mother was married, but she was a virgin her whole life, so technically they never consummated the marriage. Jesus was the perfect sinless person, so he could never get married and have sex. I know this is generalizing their beliefs, but it does seem like Christians, especially Catholics, are very adamant that those two never had sex.


The Catholics have a long established, entrenched practice of restricting "not real" sex for the priests and boys.
They could not have had "sex" since they were not trying to make more Catholics, the distinction between sex and fun.

No fun for you, no, no, no
2012-09-19 10:20:50 AM
1 votes:
I;m a pretty liberal orthodox Christian, but I can't help but feel like all this debate is like debating whether Han shot first.
2012-09-19 10:19:40 AM
1 votes:
Funky how everything else is taken as the true and perfect of the word of god
but this is being questioned and danced around
2012-09-19 10:15:58 AM
1 votes:
A wife?
Well, that explains a lot.
The war mongering.
The money grubbing.
The vindictive and petulant nature of "spreading the word".
And, since the divorce, the absentee landlord thingie.
2012-09-19 10:15:56 AM
1 votes:
i290.photobucket.com

Of course Jesus had a wife! This is one of his decendants
2012-09-19 10:15:26 AM
1 votes:
Ah yes, the Gnostic Gospels. And you thought Twilight fan-fic was bad.
2012-09-19 10:12:12 AM
1 votes:
Maybe this will explain why Christians don't really follow Jesus' teaching about peace, eschewing of wealth, etc. They're just following the example set by Jesus' wife, who obviously would find fault with any statements he made.
2012-09-19 10:11:33 AM
1 votes:
Didn't Dan Brown cover the whole "Jesus was married and had kids" thing?

Kind of makes you wonder if the early church really did cover up evidence that Jesus held women in high regard (as opposed to the Church, which tends to like their women subservient).
2012-09-19 09:44:56 AM
1 votes:
That fragment was just saying that Jesus hadn't spoken to his wife in years.
He didn't want to interrupt her
2012-09-19 09:31:39 AM
1 votes:
From all the pictures I've seen, the dude had a beard.
If you know what I'm saying.
 
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