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2012-09-19 10:02:54 AM  
www.libertarianinternational.org
Please, do everyone a favor and conduct your experiments somewhere else.
 
2012-09-19 10:30:19 AM  
I mostly just stick to telling republican voters to vote for Gary.
 
2012-09-19 10:30:32 AM  
LOL.

They suck, so embrace feudalism.
 
2012-09-19 10:48:59 AM  
In before the b-b-b-b-b-butSomalias...aw, dammit.
 
2012-09-19 10:58:05 AM  
DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.
 
2012-09-19 11:06:17 AM  
Libertarianism is not an effective platform because it sucks. End of story. You can't privatize everything and this isn't the 18th century. They have some interesting ideas on fiscal policy and the war on drugs but half of their ideas are borderline retarded.
 
2012-09-19 11:09:58 AM  

bdub77: They have some interesting ideas on fiscal policy and the war on drugs but half of their ideas are borderline retarded.


This is giving them WAY too much credit.
 
2012-09-19 11:56:04 AM  

Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.


I'm sure with unlimited money in politics Libertarians or another party won't be corrupted the millisecond they gain any sort of power.
 
2012-09-19 11:56:44 AM  

Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.


Because, when faced with a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, the only logical course is to opt for anal rape with a barbed-wire-wrapped baseball bat instead.
 
2012-09-19 11:57:14 AM  

Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.


There's nothing wrong with a two party system. We've had one for our entire existence.
 
2012-09-19 11:57:35 AM  
Republicans and Democrats suck, so vote for the Republican we nominated for President!
 
2012-09-19 11:57:58 AM  

Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.


Yeah, the only reason anyone could possibly consider the Libertarian Party a joke is that they've been conditioned to support the two party system. You. farking. Nailed. It.
 
2012-09-19 11:57:58 AM  

bdub77: Libertarianism is not an effective platform because it sucks. End of story. You can't privatize everything and this isn't the 18th century. They have some interesting ideas on fiscal policy and the war on drugs but half of their ideas are borderline retarded.


This. A total absence of government regulation on business would lead to civil war within three years when the working people realize they're getting screwed in every way possible so the greedy business owners can take more and more.
 
2012-09-19 11:59:06 AM  
Libertarians?


I've been meaning to ask... hows that 'Free State' project going?

www.hhsales.co.uk
 
2012-09-19 11:59:41 AM  
Libertarian presidential campaign slogan gets to the point: "Republicans and Democrats suck".

...so vote for a two-time Republican (who only left the party last year) governor of a mostly-red state whose economics are even more Republican than Republicans', and whose only "Democratic" leanings are of the "not-a-dick" variety (i.e. doesn't care about gays or abortions).

Sounds about right, Libertarians. Go promote Bob Barr again - that shiat was HILARIOUS.
 
2012-09-19 12:01:53 PM  
Libertarian are such hypocrites. All they care about is greed and money, but they hide it in small government rhetoric and individual liberty.

at least republicans are honest about their greed.
 
2012-09-19 12:03:25 PM  

Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.


You do realise that the Libertarian party is (whether or not they'll ever admit to it) a wing of the Republican party, right? A vote for them is still a vote for the two-party system.

/What am I saying, of course he doesn't.
 
2012-09-19 12:04:35 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Republicans and Democrats suck, so vote for the Republican we nominated for President!


So, RON PAUL?

//If Somalia is a Libertarian paradise, Syria is a Progressive paradise.
 
2012-09-19 12:05:44 PM  
Republicans and Democrats suck...

...But the "Libertarians" continue to make them look sensible in comparison.
 
2012-09-19 12:06:12 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Libertarian presidential campaign slogan gets to the point: "Republicans and Democrats suck".

...so vote for a two-time Republican (who only left the party last year) governor of a mostly-red state whose economics are even more Republican than Republicans', and whose only "Democratic" leanings are of the "not-a-dick" variety (i.e. doesn't care about gays or abortions).

Sounds about right, Libertarians. Go promote Bob Barr again - that shiat was HILARIOUS.


Democrat pissed non-Democrat doesn't embrace entirety of Democratic platform. Film at 11.
 
2012-09-19 12:07:04 PM  
Republicans and Democrats suck, so vote for a political philosophy that is even worse?

Or are they selflessly doing a PSA encouraging people to vote for another 3rd party candidate that might be better than the status quo, like an actual socialist, or the Green party, or something like that?
 
2012-09-19 12:08:29 PM  

xria: Republicans and Democrats suck, so vote for a political philosophy that is even worse?

Or are they selflessly doing a PSA encouraging people to vote for another 3rd party candidate that might be better than the status quo, like an actual socialist, or the Green party, or something like that?


lulz
 
2012-09-19 12:08:59 PM  

hurdboy: Philip Francis Queeg: Republicans and Democrats suck, so vote for the Republican we nominated for President!

So, RON PAUL?

//If Somalia is a Libertarian paradise, Syria is a Progressive paradise.


c498390.r90.cf2.rackcdn.com
 
2012-09-19 12:09:31 PM  

DamnYankees: Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.

There's nothing wrong with a two party system. We've had one for our entire existence.


I nominate this post for DERP of the year here on fark. Anyone second this?
 
2012-09-19 12:10:11 PM  
So I recently reconnected on FB with a guy from high school that was a total dork and I always kind of felt sorry for. He was going to vote for Gary Johnson, but then he decided that Gary is just as much a socialist at Mitt Romney and BO. Nobody is a REAL non-socialist except for RON PAUL.

So I guess loserdom is how Libertarians are made.
 
2012-09-19 12:10:22 PM  

bdub77: Libertarianism is not an effective platform because it sucks. End of story. You can't privatize everything and this isn't the 18th century. They have some interesting ideas on fiscal policy and the war on drugs but half of their ideas are borderline retarded.


And their social agenda isn't half-bad, either. But, yeah, generally, their fiscal policy is batshiat insane.
 
2012-09-19 12:10:41 PM  

Swagulus: DamnYankees: Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.

There's nothing wrong with a two party system. We've had one for our entire existence.

I nominate this post for DERP of the year here on fark. Anyone second this?


It's an honor just to be nominated.
 
2012-09-19 12:11:30 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: hurdboy: Philip Francis Queeg: Republicans and Democrats suck, so vote for the Republican we nominated for President!

So, RON PAUL?

//If Somalia is a Libertarian paradise, Syria is a Progressive paradise.

[c498390.r90.cf2.rackcdn.com image 850x478]


Somebody doesn't see what I did there. Oh well.

//Is anyone really going to miss Crazy Uncle Ron?
 
2012-09-19 12:12:03 PM  

DamnYankees: Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.

There's nothing wrong with a two party system. We've had one for our entire existence.


There is when one party suddenly realises that they can get what they want by intentionally trying to destroy the country and then forcing the other party to acquiesce to their every whim in order to prevent the destruction.

For 200+ years both parties, while having different viewpoints, have always at least not tried to willfully destroy the country. Republicans from 2001 and forward (some could argue 1996 and forward) have radically switched their tactics into destruction and blackmail.
 
2012-09-19 12:12:12 PM  

Rapmaster2000: So I guess loserdom is how Libertarians are made.


the low self esteem is why they believe any accomplishment they make can be achieved by anyone.
 
2012-09-19 12:13:15 PM  

MithrandirBooga: There is when one party suddenly realises that they can get what they want by intentionally trying to destroy the country and then forcing the other party to acquiesce to their every whim in order to prevent the destruction.

For 200+ years both parties, while having different viewpoints, have always at least not tried to willfully destroy the country. Republicans from 2001 and forward (some could argue 1996 and forward) have radically switched their tactics into destruction and blackmail.


This isn't a problem of having a 2 party system. It's a procedural flaw in our legislature whereby the minority has the power to prevent the majority from governing. I'm not sure how a third party would solve this.
 
2012-09-19 12:13:58 PM  

Headso: Rapmaster2000: So I guess loserdom is how Libertarians are made.

the low self esteem is why they believe any accomplishment they make can be achieved by anyone.


so are you saying a lot of people just plain suck and can't make it without handouts?
Run with that!
 
2012-09-19 12:14:58 PM  

hurdboy: Philip Francis Queeg: hurdboy: Philip Francis Queeg: Republicans and Democrats suck, so vote for the Republican we nominated for President!

So, RON PAUL?

//If Somalia is a Libertarian paradise, Syria is a Progressive paradise.

[c498390.r90.cf2.rackcdn.com image 850x478]

Somebody doesn't see what I did there. Oh well.

//Is anyone really going to miss Crazy Uncle Ron?


RON PAUL isn't going anyplace. He'll keep bringing his unique brand of crazy.
 
2012-09-19 12:17:30 PM  
Republican beliefs:

- Randian, supply-side, trickle-down, taxes-bad economics.
- No monetary or safety regulations on corporations.
- No welfare or health care for the poor.
- Institutionalised bigotry under the guise of "Religious freedom."
- For the War on Drugs.

Libertarian beliefs:

- Randian, supply-side, trickle-down, taxes-bad economics.
- No monetary or safety regulations on corporations.
- No welfare or health care for the poor.
- Institutionalised bigotry under the guise of "States' rights."
- Against the War on Drugs.
 
2012-09-19 12:18:16 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.

You do realise that the Libertarian party is (whether or not they'll ever admit to it) a wing of the Republican party, right? A vote for them is still a vote for the two-party system.

/What am I saying, of course he doesn't.


I wish I could find a quote from the 1997 NJ Governor's election, when a wing of the GOP wanted to torpedo Gov. Christie Whitman, so they 'became' libertarians and ran Murray Sabrin against her. During a radio interview, his campaign manager was asked about the possibility of the split vote handing the Governor's seat to the Democratic party. His answer was he wasn't that concerned. "We will still control the Statehouse".(or words like that) He definitely used the first person plural "WE will control", the legislature that was under GOP control at the time.

Just a stalking horse for the GOP.

/too bad Howard Stern never wanted to follow through on his bid to take over the Libertarians in NY because he didn't want to do the paperwork. Would have been epic troll.
 
2012-09-19 12:19:29 PM  

mr lawson: Headso: Rapmaster2000: So I guess loserdom is how Libertarians are made.

the low self esteem is why they believe any accomplishment they make can be achieved by anyone.

so are you saying a lot of people just plain suck and can't make it without handouts?
Run with that!


Who do I look like Mitt Romney? ... well I do have nice hair
 
2012-09-19 12:21:25 PM  
"Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia


/so vote evil
 
2012-09-19 12:23:14 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Republican beliefs:

- Randian, supply-side, trickle-down, taxes-bad economics.
- No monetary or safety regulations on corporations.
- No welfare or health care for the poor.
- Institutionalised bigotry under the guise of "Religious freedom."
- For the War on Drugs.

Libertarian beliefs:

PREAMBLE

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

In the following pages we have set forth our basic principles and enumerated various policy stands derived from those principles.

These specific policies are not our goal, however. Our goal is nothing more nor less than a world set free in our lifetime, and it is to this end that we take these stands.


STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLES

We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.



Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.

We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life -- accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action -- accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation.

Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.

1.0 Personal Liberty

Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government. Our support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices.

1.1 Expression and Communication

We support full freedom of expression and oppose government censorship, regulation or control of communications media and technology. We favor the freedom to engage in or abstain from any religious activities that do not violate the rights of others. We oppose government actions which either aid or attack any religion.

1.2 Personal Privacy

Libertarians support the rights recognized by the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our persons, homes, and property. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure should include records held by third parties, such as email, medical, and library records. Only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. We favor the repeal of all laws creating "crimes" without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.



1.3 Personal Relationships

Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

1.4 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

1.5 Crime and Justice

Government exists to protect the rights of every individual including life, liberty and property. Criminal laws should be limited to violation of the rights of others through force or fraud, or deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Individuals retain the right to voluntarily assume risk of harm to themselves. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. We oppose reduction of constitutional safeguards of the rights of the criminally accused. The rights of due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must not be denied. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law.

1.6 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights - life, liberty, and justly acquired property - against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.



2.0 Economic Liberty

Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

2.1 Property and Contract

Property rights are entitled to the same protection as all other human rights. The owners of property have the full right to control, use, dispose of, or in any manner enjoy, their property without interference, until and unless the exercise of their control infringes the valid rights of others. We oppose all controls on wages, prices, rents, profits, production, and interest rates. We advocate the repeal of all laws banning or restricting the advertising of prices, products, or services. We oppose all violations of the right to private property, liberty of contract, and freedom of trade. The right to trade includes the right not to trade - for any reasons whatsoever. Where property, including land, has been taken from its rightful owners by the government or private action in violation of individual rights, we favor restitution to the rightful owners.

2.2 Environment

We support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Pollution and misuse of resources cause damage to our ecosystem. Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet's climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior.

2.3 Energy and Resources

While energy is needed to fuel a modern society, government should not be subsidizing any particular form of energy. We oppose all government control of energy pricing, allocation, and production.

2.4 Government Finance and Spending

All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a "Balanced Budget Amendment" to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.

2.5 Money and Financial Markets

We favor free-market banking, with unrestricted competition among banks and depository institutions of all types. Individuals engaged in voluntary exchange should be free to use as money any mutually agreeable commodity or item. We support a halt to inflationary monetary policies and unconstitutional legal tender laws.

2.6 Monopolies and Corporations

We defend the right of individuals to form corporations, cooperatives and other types of companies based on voluntary association. We seek to divest government of all functions that can be provided by non-governmental organizations or private individuals. We oppose government subsidies to business, labor, or any other special interest. Industries should be governed by free markets.

2.7 Labor Markets

We support repeal of all laws which impede the ability of any person to find employment. We oppose government-fostered forced retirement. We support the right of free persons to associate or not associate in labor unions, and an employer should have the right to recognize or refuse to recognize a union. We oppose government interference in bargaining, such as compulsory arbitration or imposing an obligation to bargain.

2.8 Education

Education is best provided by the free market, achieving greater quality, accountability and efficiency with more diversity of choice. Recognizing that the education of children is a parental responsibility, we would restore authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government. Parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children's education.


2.9 Health Care

We favor restoring and reviving a free market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines.

2.10 Retirement and Income Security

Retirement planning is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security system and transition to a private voluntary system. The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. We believe members of society will become more charitable and civil society will be strengthened as government reduces its activity in this realm.


3.0 Securing Liberty

The protection of individual rights is the only proper purpose of government. Government is constitutionally limited so as to prevent the infringement of individual rights by the government itself. The principle of non-initiation of force should guide the relationships between governments.



3.1 National Defense

We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.

3.2 Internal Security and Individual Rights

The defense of the country requires that we have adequate intelligence to detect and to counter threats to domestic security. This requirement must not take priority over maintaining the civil liberties of our citizens. The Constitution and Bill of Rights shall not be suspended even during time of war. Intelligence agencies that legitimately seek to preserve the security of the nation must be subject to oversight and transparency. We oppose the government's use of secret classifications to keep from the public information that it should have, especially that which shows that the government has violated the law.

3.3 International Affairs

American foreign policy should seek an America at peace with the world. Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid. We recognize the right of all people to resist tyranny and defend themselves and their rights. We condemn the use of force, and especially the use of terrorism, against the innocent, regardless of whether such acts are committed by governments or by political or revolutionary groups.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
3.5 Rights and Discrimination

Libertarians embrace the concept that all people are born with certain inherent rights. We reject the idea that a natural right can ever impose an obligation upon others to fulfill that "right." We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant. Government should neither deny nor abridge any individual's human right based upon sex, wealth, ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs. This statement shall not be construed to condone child abuse or neglect.



3.6 Representative Government

We support election systems that are more representative of the electorate at the federal, state and local levels. As private voluntary groups, political parties should be allowed to establish their own rules for nomination procedures, primaries and conventions. We call for an end to any tax-financed subsidies to candidates or parties and the repeal of all laws which restrict voluntary financing of election campaigns. We oppose laws that effectively exclude alternative candidates and parties, deny ballot access, gerrymander districts, or deny the voters their right to consider all legitimate alternatives. We advocate initiative, referendum, recall and repeal when used as popular checks on government.

3.7 Self-Determination

Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of individual liberty, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to agree to such new governance as to them shall seem most likely to protect their liberty.


4.0 Omissions

Our silence about any other particular government law, regulation, ordinance, directive, edict, control, regulatory agency, activity, or machination should not be construed to imply approval.

//fixed

 
2012-09-19 12:25:45 PM  
Republicans have a secret plan to fund Libertarian candidates, splitting the conservative vote and guaranteeing their election.

The Democratic Party needs to pour funding into Green candidates to counter this. It's their only hope.
 
2012-09-19 12:25:50 PM  
STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLES

We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.


I love that. The only thing it's missing is "sheeple".
 
2012-09-19 12:26:25 PM  

DamnYankees: MithrandirBooga: There is when one party suddenly realises that they can get what they want by intentionally trying to destroy the country and then forcing the other party to acquiesce to their every whim in order to prevent the destruction.

For 200+ years both parties, while having different viewpoints, have always at least not tried to willfully destroy the country. Republicans from 2001 and forward (some could argue 1996 and forward) have radically switched their tactics into destruction and blackmail.

This isn't a problem of having a 2 party system. It's a procedural flaw in our legislature whereby the minority has the power to prevent the majority from governing. I'm not sure how a third party would solve this.


I certainly agree that has contributed to it, but let's face it, congress has been Republican for 2 years already, and will remain so for the forseeable future; and they all vote lock-step with each other. They can still fark things up just as easily as they could even if we didn't have the Senate filibuster rules.

One party has completely abandoned being truthful. Literally every single thing they claim is untruthful, and people believe it and vote for them. This is what happens when one party has decided it would rather destroy the country than not be in power. Just 20 years ago it would be unthinkable to capitalize on American deaths just to win an election. Yet now we have Romney doing it with a gleeful smile, and people defending him for it. These people are utter psychopaths who will not stop until they either destroy the USA or control it with an iron fist.

/Really, aren't both outcomes the same?
 
2012-09-19 12:28:04 PM  

DamnYankees: Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.

There's nothing wrong with a two party system. We've had one for our entire existence.


No we have not. The whigs, feds, anti feds, dem-rep, know nothing, progressive, segregation, bull moose, and populist would like to have a word with you.

Wait. They are dead.

A better statement would be that we have always had a bipartissan with third wheel government.
 
2012-09-19 12:29:31 PM  

mr lawson: 2.10 Retirement and Income Security

Retirement planning is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security system and transition to a private voluntary system. The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. We believe members of society will become more charitable and civil society will be strengthened as government reduces its activity in this realm.


Libertarian substitute fantasy for policy.
 
2012-09-19 12:30:19 PM  

mr lawson: We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.


Thanks for reminding me of this guy.

i45.tinypic.com

/stolen recycled
 
2012-09-19 12:31:30 PM  

DamnYankees: Nabb1: DOA - Derped On Arrival. Yes, please continue propping up our wonderful two-party system as you have been conditioned to do.

There's nothing wrong with a two party system. We've had one for our entire existence.


We have always been at war with Eurasia.
 
2012-09-19 12:35:28 PM  

skullkrusher: Dr Dreidel: Libertarian presidential campaign slogan gets to the point: "Republicans and Democrats suck".

...so vote for a two-time Republican (who only left the party last year) governor of a mostly-red state whose economics are even more Republican than Republicans', and whose only "Democratic" leanings are of the "not-a-dick" variety (i.e. doesn't care about gays or abortions).

Sounds about right, Libertarians. Go promote Bob Barr again - that shiat was HILARIOUS.

Democrat pissed non-Democrat doesn't embrace entirety of Democratic platform. Film at 11.


No, that was "Democrat amused that Libertarians - yet again - nominate and support a Republican while claiming 'bof sidez bad'."

I appreciate that Johnson is not religion-derpy, but I'd be an idiotic naif to believe that his fiscal policy wasn't every bit as derpy (in some cases, even more so) as Republicans'. The philosophy itself is borne from the same derp-tree as modern Republicans' - you know how I know? Because Johnson farking was one until last year (last year, when he realized he'd never make it as a religion-derp free Republican, so he threw in with the LP).
 
2012-09-19 12:36:13 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: RON PAUL isn't going anyplace. He'll keep bringing his unique brand of crazy.


Back in Texas where it belongs. If you've ever been anywhere down SW of Houston, you know what I'm talking about.....

Fluorescent Testicle: Republican beliefs:

- Randian, supply-side, trickle-down, taxes-bad economics.
- No monetary or safety regulations on corporations.
- No welfare or health care for the poor.
- Institutionalised bigotry under the guise of "Religious freedom."
- For the War on Drugs.

Libertarian beliefs:

- Randian, supply-side, trickle-down, taxes-bad economics.
- No monetary or safety regulations on corporations.
- No welfare or health care for the poor.
- Institutionalised bigotry under the guise of "States' rights."
- Against the War on Drugs.


FTFY. Bolded ones are ones Democrats also subscribe to.
 
2012-09-19 12:40:45 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: [from LP platform:] The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. We believe members of society will become more charitable and civil society will be strengthened as government reduces its activity in this realm.


Said no social psychologist, sociologist, economist, historian or parish worker ever.
 
2012-09-19 12:41:18 PM  

Rapmaster2000: STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLES

We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.

I love that. The only thing it's missing is "sheeple".


That was created at the formation of the party, by people that walked out of the republican convention in protest over the nomination of Nixon.

Nixon. Can you blame them for writing something so punaciosly outraged as that?

And they meant it enough to require a 7/8 majority to change it.

(i think, that 7/8 is from memory so may be wrong)
 
2012-09-19 12:42:45 PM  
Link

mr lawson: Long post purporting to describe Libertarian beliefs snipped


I don't think the language you've posted reflects the actual beliefs of Libertarians, who seem to want more government interference in our lives, such as in a woman's right to choose. Or did you miss the part where Libertarians decided that they wanted Ron Paul to represent them?

"In 2005, 2007, 2009, and 2011, Paul introduced the Sanctity of Life Act, which would have defined life as beginning at conception at the Federal level."
 
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