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2012-09-19 02:20:02 PM
After I rtfa, I decided Hawk is Hawkish.

/go ahead and nuke away! As an engineer, after the fallout settles, I'll start selling lead lined gas tanks.
 
2012-09-19 02:20:15 PM

wmoonfox: While the loss of human life would be unfortunate, I've about come to that conclusion, myself.

International intervention, and US meddling in particular, is pretty much all that has "kept the peace" over there for generations, and that "peace" is a joke as-is. It's honestly getting to be about time that we (the rest of the world) just yank our support entirely and let them figure it out for themselves, potential for wide-scale war in the region notwithstanding.

And that includes Israel. Let them all fight it out for a while, and check back in a decade or two.


Of course it international intervention that has caused plenty of the problems too. That whole period of overthrowing democratic governments and shoring up the power of nut job dictators and flooding the region with weapons all to fight the evil commies in the cold war didn't help one bit.
 
2012-09-19 02:20:23 PM
And it shall happen in that day that I will
make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all
peoples; all who would heave it away will
surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of
the earth are gathered against it.

Zechariah 12 v 3

For I will gather all the nations to battle
against Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14 v 2
 
2012-09-19 02:23:16 PM

pute kisses like a man: hdhale: Marine1: Another Government Employee: He's a cheery sort.

This has been predicted since at least the end of WW2. It seems like the parties go to the brink, then back off. Will it happen this cycle? Who knows? If it does, the gene pool thinning will be epic.

The parties that tend to back off are usually Western. After WW2, the Western powers and Soviet Union finally realized that wars were reaching a point where mass conflict on the scale of WW2 were going to destroy entire societies. The Middle East, having been at war for freakin' ever and not having gone through the mass destruction of a war like WW2, doesn't seem to have received this message very clearly.

You do understand that the Middle East perfected the art of destroying nations long before the Germanic tribes found their way to the Rhine, right?

I'd wager that the germanic peoples learned pretty damn fast.

and, don't forget, the romans used to be great. then they couldn't take stick throwing ethiopians.


They learned to fight Beyond The Spear.
 
2012-09-19 02:23:46 PM
All out war is never in anyone's best interests.

Except for war profiteers... and we be hanging those farkers.
 
2012-09-19 02:26:17 PM

umad: nmemkha: Translation: A lot of Muslims will die and will destabilize the region of decades.

To the author, that seems to be a winning scenario.

When rabid animals take eachother out it saves us the trouble. Regardless of how things work out, there will be fewer rabid animals when it is over. That seems like a win to me.


They are not animals, they are human beings. We all know cesspool that lies that the bottom of the dehumanization slippery slope.
 
2012-09-19 02:27:50 PM

MurphyMurphy: All out war is never in anyone's best interests.

Except for war profiteers... and we be hanging those farkers.


*should be*
 
2012-09-19 02:32:32 PM

xanadian: Whoa, wait. Back the mobile nuclear missile trailer up!

*rereads TFA*

Ok, THIS guy's the author!??

[media.comicvine.com image 541x417]

Can we TRUST his expertise?


Evidently the ghostbusting business is slow and he wants to get some more ghosts into circulation. What better way to do that than a war?
 
2012-09-19 02:35:24 PM

MurphyMurphy: All out war is never in anyone's best interests.

Except for war profiteers... and we be hanging those farkers.


Not really, we've been electing their anointed political candidates since roughly WW2
 
2012-09-19 02:38:09 PM

olddinosaur: The former President of Iran has already said, a big nuke war would kill about 50 million Moslems, but it would totally wipe out Israel.

The scary part is, he considers it worth the price, because they could breed that many more Moslems in 2 years or less, at the rate these vermin multiply.


Yeah but good luck on next years haj to the glowing hole in the ground that would be Mecca.

They still would probably consider it an acceptable trade.
 
2012-09-19 02:38:45 PM

Amos Quito: bdub77: The only thing you should read is this tagline at the end:

Spengler is channeled by David P Goldman. His book How Civilizations Die (and why Islam is Dying, Too) was published by Regnery Press in September 2011. A volume of his essays on culture, religion and economics, It's Not the End of the World - It's Just the End of You, also appeared last fall, from Van Praag Press.

And from wikipedia: David Paul Goldman is an economist and author. As a religious Jew, Goldman says that he writes from a Judeo-Christian perspective and often focuses on demographic and economic factors in his analyses; he says his subject matter proceeds "from the theme formulated by Rosenzweig: the mortality of nations and its causes, Western secularism, Asian anomie, and unadaptable Islam."

In other words, this article was written by a Jewish zealot.


You sound anti-Semitic.

The ONLY question is, is this war GOOD for the lovers of the Zionist regime, or BAD for the lovers of the Zionist regime?


Nothing else matters.


I didn't realize I have to spell everything out for you in big crayon colors for you to get the implications. Zionism? Sure. You can use that word. Jewish nationalism would be another word for it. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism. Anti-semitism has to do with hating people because they are Jewish. I hate people who argue that other people need to die for 'the greater good'. I'll call out extreme evangelicals and muslims for the same batshiat insane ideas they have about war.

And your question is the wrong question anyway. The question is whether THIS GUY thinks the war is good or bad. And whether that bias plays into his article. It's pretty friggin obvious what his opinion is.

A war in the Middle East is the worst idea for this country and any other country that participates in it. There's no rationalization on earth that will currently make me believe otherwise.
 
2012-09-19 02:45:54 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
What a Boomer might look like.
 
2012-09-19 02:49:44 PM

limeyfellow: Of course it international intervention that has caused plenty of the problems too. That whole period of overthrowing democratic governments and shoring up the power of nut job dictators and flooding the region with weapons all to fight the evil commies in the cold war didn't help one bit.


Quite true. All the more reason to wash hands of it at this juncture, yes?
 
2012-09-19 02:50:29 PM
While it certainly isn't an optimal solution, you have to admit that this one does solve a whole bunch of current problems:

www.forumla.de

Don't worry, deep sea drilling platforms would ensure the spice still flowed.

/I like how Israel is conveniently still on the map though, lol
//hey, we could just miscalculate when rocket-boosting an asteroid out of Earth's path
///global nuclear winters help reduce UV skin damage
//surprised this wasn't up already
/yay megadeaths!
 
2012-09-19 02:52:11 PM

bdub77: Amos Quito: bdub77: The only thing you should read is this tagline at the end:

Spengler is channeled by David P Goldman. His book How Civilizations Die (and why Islam is Dying, Too) was published by Regnery Press in September 2011. A volume of his essays on culture, religion and economics, It's Not the End of the World - It's Just the End of You, also appeared last fall, from Van Praag Press.

And from wikipedia: David Paul Goldman is an economist and author. As a religious Jew, Goldman says that he writes from a Judeo-Christian perspective and often focuses on demographic and economic factors in his analyses; he says his subject matter proceeds "from the theme formulated by Rosenzweig: the mortality of nations and its causes, Western secularism, Asian anomie, and unadaptable Islam."

In other words, this article was written by a Jewish zealot.


You sound anti-Semitic.

The ONLY question is, is this war GOOD for the lovers of the Zionist regime, or BAD for the lovers of the Zionist regime?


Nothing else matters.

I didn't realize I have to spell everything out for you in big crayon colors for you to get the implications. Zionism? Sure. You can use that word. Jewish nationalism would be another word for it. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism. Anti-semitism has to do with hating people because they are Jewish. I hate people who argue that other people need to die for 'the greater good'. I'll call out extreme evangelicals and muslims for the same batshiat insane ideas they have about war.

And your question is the wrong question anyway. The question is whether THIS GUY thinks the war is good or bad. And whether that bias plays into his article. It's pretty friggin obvious what his opinion is.

A war in the Middle East is the worst idea for this country and any other country that participates in it. There's no rationalization on earth that will currently make me believe otherwise.



Hey, I agree with everything you just said.

My previous comment was crass sarcasm. Thought it would have been obvious. 


/Sorry
 
2012-09-19 02:52:56 PM

nmemkha: They are not animals, they are human beings.


Citation needed.
 
2012-09-19 02:54:17 PM
BolshyGreatYarblocks

Am I the only one who spotted that a hard-right Jewish writer uses as a pseudonym the name of Oswald Spengler, one of the crucial influences on Kaiser Wilhelm II and Adolf Hitler? Truly the fanatics are more alike than different.

While the Nazis copied some of Spengler's critique of Western liberalism, he disliked them. He dismissed Hitler as vulgar and said Germany needed a real hero, not a vulgar tenor, and disagreed with their pseudoscientific racial theories and antisemitism. The Nazis banned his best selling "The Hour of Decision".

What's sad, and revealing, is the amount of ad hominem attacks on the author, rather than critiquing the actual content of the article. Unsurprisingly, out and out antisemites like "Amos Quito" spew their bile into this. It's also worthy of note that these sort of attacks usually aren't leveled against left-wing, and crypto or not so crypto antisemitic authors.
 
2012-09-19 02:54:53 PM

Walker: Nuke the whole Mid-east. Start over from scratch.


Dude, I am in the Middle East. Kill you!


/on a plane out of this desert in a few hours.


Aside from the slavery here, the gulf states are OK--- and they would empty if nukes were used.
 
2012-09-19 02:54:57 PM

Amos Quito: Hey, I agree with everything you just said.

My previous comment was crass sarcasm. Thought it would have been obvious. 


/Sorry


So basically, you basically have to spell everything out for ME in big crayon colors for me to get the implications. My bad.

On Fark, my sarcasm detector tends to be broken. :P
 
2012-09-19 02:55:03 PM

bdub77: Amos Quito: bdub77: The only thing you should read is this tagline at the end:

Spengler is channeled by David P Goldman. His book How Civilizations Die (and why Islam is Dying, Too) was published by Regnery Press in September 2011. A volume of his essays on culture, religion and economics, It's Not the End of the World - It's Just the End of You, also appeared last fall, from Van Praag Press.

And from wikipedia: David Paul Goldman is an economist and author. As a religious Jew, Goldman says that he writes from a Judeo-Christian perspective and often focuses on demographic and economic factors in his analyses; he says his subject matter proceeds "from the theme formulated by Rosenzweig: the mortality of nations and its causes, Western secularism, Asian anomie, and unadaptable Islam."

In other words, this article was written by a Jewish zealot.


You sound anti-Semitic.

The ONLY question is, is this war GOOD for the lovers of the Zionist regime, or BAD for the lovers of the Zionist regime?


Nothing else matters.

I didn't realize I have to spell everything out for you in big crayon colors for you to get the implications. Zionism? Sure. You can use that word. Jewish nationalism would be another word for it. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism. Anti-semitism has to do with hating people because they are Jewish. I hate people who argue that other people need to die for 'the greater good'. I'll call out extreme evangelicals and muslims for the same batshiat insane ideas they have about war.

And your question is the wrong question anyway. The question is whether THIS GUY thinks the war is good or bad. And whether that bias plays into his article. It's pretty friggin obvious what his opinion is.

A war in the Middle East is the worst idea for this country and any other country that participates in it. There's no rationalization on earth that will currently make me believe otherwise.


Wars suck but they also tend to destroy political machines. WW2 destroyed the Japanese political machines. The Civil War was about the industrial north fighting the feudal south. There were advocates at the time saying that slavery wasn't just for "black people" but for poor white people who had no use for "education" or any ambition in their lives. It's starting to be thought that Karl Marx may have adopted Marxism from a particular US philosopher (whose name escapes me) who advocated such a thing. The Civil War effectively ended the agricultural era in the US and ushered in the Industrial Era. And now today we are seeing the Digital Revolution crush the old Industrial Era centers of power and see new centers of power emerge in other places, a lot of them in the south, ironically.

I'm not familiar with this guy's work, but I do know a big factor that is causing population decline in the US and other parts of Europe is oppressive and unreasonable divorce laws regarding men. Spengler mentions religion as a factor, which might have some merit, but in the case of men wanting to marry and have kids, that's more to do with them wising up to divorce laws being too financially and emotionally risky to chance partaking in, giving them no real incentive to do so. When you see these laws correct themselves you'll probably see people start investing in having families again.

As for the Middle East, well, that place is pretty rotten due to the various political machines of that region. A war will be bad but could help cleanse the rot and perhaps help them properly modernize and start afresh.
 
2012-09-19 03:02:32 PM

dofus: Do I have to read all that?

For a multitude of reasons mostly involving rich New York Jews,


When did Sheldon Adelson move to New York?

/also: fark him
 
2012-09-19 03:04:13 PM
Kind of ironic to be calling them vermin, animals, or barbaric while at the same time advocating their destruction....if we are going to thump our chests as the moral superior shouldn't we take the high ground?
We are the leader of the world, this has brought us great privilage but it also carries responsibility, we can't stoop to the level of every zealot or despot...
 
2012-09-19 03:05:13 PM

olddinosaur: The former President of Iran has already said, a big nuke war would kill about 50 million Moslems, but it would totally wipe out Israel.

The scary part is, he considers it worth the price, because they could breed that many more Moslems in 2 years or less, at the rate these vermin multiply.


Did he fail to mention how many governments in the ME would fall as a result of a nuclear war? I also wonder if he ever interviewed post-WWII survivors in his assessment.
 
2012-09-19 03:07:04 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Israel is the equivalent of the little prick in high school who was the son of a teacher/principal/coach. Got away with anything until mommy or daddy retired. THEN, everyone ganged up on them and beat the living fark out of that one kid.


You're forgetting 1967, when Israel went it alone and kicked all their asses.
 
2012-09-19 03:07:59 PM

madgonad: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How about a nice old fashioned conventional ground war, where everyone is wearing uniforms and we have clear-cut good guys and bad guys?

Why would our opponents agree to play by our rules?


Thats the joke.
 
2012-09-19 03:08:29 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Stopped reading at "Spengler" aka Goldman - another Zionist warmonger beating wardrums and demanding goy blood for a greater Israel.

Fark these people.


I know right...it's as if they completely forgot about how many of their own people died during WWII, how many people in general died, and how many people directly affected by the war wanted no such thing for at least a generation.
 
2012-09-19 03:08:44 PM

BobBoxBody: Wars suck but they also tend to destroy political machines. WW2 destroyed the Japanese political machines. The Civil War was about the industrial north fighting the feudal south. There were advocates at the time saying that slavery wasn't just for "black people" but for poor white people who had no use for "education" or any ambition in their lives. It's starting to be thought that Karl Marx may have adopted Marxism from a particular US philosopher (whose name escapes me) who advocated such a thing. The Civil War effectively ended the agricultural era in the US and ushered in the Industrial Era. And now today we are seeing the Digital Revolution crush the old Industrial Era centers of power and see new centers of power emerge in other places, a lot of them in the south, ironically.


You've got a lot of things going on here. Destroying political machines is all well and good but isn't that happening anyway? The Libyans just overthrew Libya for democracy and the Egyptians overthrew (or tried - ongoing) what they saw was a rotten core of government. The Iranians don't exactly seem to be happy at the moment, either.

The real problem driving resentment in the Middle East is unemployment, wealth inequality, and the rape of natural resources by other countries. Sure we buy our resources from them but they in turn no longer have them available. At some point, maybe not for another 20-30 years, they are probably going to run out of oil. The result? Worse unemployment and no money. Then trouble.

I'm not familiar with this guy's work, but I do know a big factor that is causing population decline in the US and other parts of Europe is oppressive and unreasonable divorce laws regarding men.

Where's your source? I've never heard this. The general consensus is that birth rates are mostly tied to infant mortality and probably education/wealth - I'd have to check this. Religion does seem to play a role as well.

As for the Middle East, well, that place is pretty rotten due to the various political machines of that region. A war will be bad but could help cleanse the rot and perhaps help them properly modernize and start afresh.

I think the Middle East wants democracy and wealth equality, just like most of the rest of the world does. They want jobs and employment and living wages. There are inroads being made there and in Africa, but ME and Africa are kind of the last of the low wage areas, and their stability has been the biggest problem in setting up shops and starting them on the path to industrialization.

I would much prefer a push toward stabilization in that region than destabilization and war. I don't like what I'm seeing though. Europe is talking about defense pacts. The US is moving ships into the region. Israel...well obviously Israel. I think Iran is much more rational than most people think.

At some point though I'm concerned that a nuke will be obtained and detonated in a bad place. I know we have a lot of people with eyes on every weapon who are looking to make sure that never happens but we've been less than 70 years with the most destructive power on earth, it's only a matter of time before some idiot or group of idiots use it.
 
2012-09-19 03:12:27 PM

ficklefkrfark: Kind of ironic to be calling them vermin, animals, or barbaric while at the same time advocating their destruction....if we are going to thump our chests as the moral superior shouldn't we take the high ground?


We have been taking the high ground and all it has gotten us is a bunch of enemies and a lighter wallet. It is high time these motherfarkers get a taste of their own medicine.

We are the leader of the world, this has brought us great privilage but it also carries responsibility, we can't stoop to the level of every zealot or despot...

We don't need to prop them up or tolerate their bat shiattery either. Most of us aren't "advocating their destruction" we are advocating that we stop being the ones to suffer the consequences of keeping the peace. They can damn well protect themselves. If not, then tough shiat. Maybe they won't bite the hand that feeds them next time.
 
2012-09-19 03:15:19 PM

dofus: Can't we just give Arizona to Israelis and let 'em relocate the entire country there?


That'd never work. Sheriff Joe would just round them up and deport all of them.
 
2012-09-19 03:21:10 PM

hdhale: Marine1: Another Government Employee: He's a cheery sort.

This has been predicted since at least the end of WW2. It seems like the parties go to the brink, then back off. Will it happen this cycle? Who knows? If it does, the gene pool thinning will be epic.

The parties that tend to back off are usually Western. After WW2, the Western powers and Soviet Union finally realized that wars were reaching a point where mass conflict on the scale of WW2 were going to destroy entire societies. The Middle East, having been at war for freakin' ever and not having gone through the mass destruction of a war like WW2, doesn't seem to have received this message very clearly.

You do understand that the Middle East perfected the art of destroying nations long before the Germanic tribes found their way to the Rhine, right?


I believe P J O'Rourke referred to it as "God's Monkey House".
 
2012-09-19 03:21:49 PM

fireclown: What a Boomer might look like.


If you deployed one of those against me I would have to find a way to retaliate.
 
2012-09-19 03:27:58 PM
Job security! fark yeah!
 
2012-09-19 03:29:16 PM

bdub77: BobBoxBody: Wars suck but they also tend to destroy political machines. WW2 destroyed the Japanese political machines. The Civil War was about the industrial north fighting the feudal south. There were advocates at the time saying that slavery wasn't just for "black people" but for poor white people who had no use for "education" or any ambition in their lives. It's starting to be thought that Karl Marx may have adopted Marxism from a particular US philosopher (whose name escapes me) who advocated such a thing. The Civil War effectively ended the agricultural era in the US and ushered in the Industrial Era. And now today we are seeing the Digital Revolution crush the old Industrial Era centers of power and see new centers of power emerge in other places, a lot of them in the south, ironically.

You've got a lot of things going on here. Destroying political machines is all well and good but isn't that happening anyway? The Libyans just overthrew Libya for democracy and the Egyptians overthrew (or tried - ongoing) what they saw was a rotten core of government. The Iranians don't exactly seem to be happy at the moment, either.

The real problem driving resentment in the Middle East is unemployment, wealth inequality, and the rape of natural resources by other countries. Sure we buy our resources from them but they in turn no longer have them available. At some point, maybe not for another 20-30 years, they are probably going to run out of oil. The result? Worse unemployment and no money. Then trouble.

I'm not familiar with this guy's work, but I do know a big factor that is causing population decline in the US and other parts of Europe is oppressive and unreasonable divorce laws regarding men.

Where's your source? I've never heard this. The general consensus is that birth rates are mostly tied to infant mortality and probably education/wealth - I'd have to check this. Religion does seem to play a role as well.

As for the Middle East, well, that place is pretty rott ...


I agree with a lot of this, but a big problem is that a lot of the people fighting for democracy might get co-opted by other political interests that don't have the things you were advocating at heart. I do agree that overall net, these people want the same things we do, but the political powers that be don't.

As for marriage laws being unfair and causing men to stop marrying and having kids, well, this is something someone advised me to look into citing that divorce laws are devastating to men financially. I've spent a while learning about this, and it's becoming more clear that this more than anything is the motivating factor in population decline. Besides, just look online and read about stories where self-made men who are surgeons or are in other lucrative careers are living in near-poverty due to alimony laws and the like. And that's just money. There's the "child custody" side of things that's equally as appalling to read about. I kind of veered into that topic because I was looking up what else Mr. Spengler had done and that was getting brought up as a purely religious issue when that's probably not the biggest issue. If the divorce laws were more fair and in line with today's society where women work, this would probably be less of an issue.

The big undercurrent of how the world works is finance. The shift to the Digital Era will be the advent of knowledge and information becoming decentralized (which is being felt everywhere, especially the Middle East), and therefore knowledge of finance will become more important and widespread, and the powers at be will be in for a shock as more and more people call them out for making poor spending decisions and the like.

Political machines can only stay in power by keeping people ignorant and stupid, we're seeing that gradually change everywhere now. Anyways, I don't hope for war at all. Hopefully what we'll see is more of what has happened recently with regimes being overthrown domestically.
 
2012-09-19 03:41:45 PM

wmoonfox: FeFiFoFark: yeah, let Israel off its chain and let the fun begin!

I don't think Israel could fight a protracted war without international support. Their entire defense is built upon technological superiority and a first-strike doctrine. If either of those failed to shock an opponent into submission, or a united Arab front proved too resistant to such a strategy, Israel would essentially be under siege, her back to the sea.

My big fear in that scenario is that an Israeli government faced with defeat, dissolution, and possible mass-murder at the hands of forces openly hostile to the country's very existence, might decide to start popping off the nukes that everyone in the world knows they have. That would be a Bad Thing (TM).


To be fair to Israel, I think most people underestimate their true fighting force if their homeland was at risk. There is a reason every single Israeli citizen is also a trained member of the military... its so every single citizen could take up arms and shoot brown people. It would be virtually impossible to win a traditional war against them.
 
2012-09-19 03:52:12 PM
This thread sucks
 
2012-09-19 04:30:55 PM

grotto_man: BolshyGreatYarblocks

Am I the only one who spotted that a hard-right Jewish writer uses as a pseudonym the name of Oswald Spengler, one of the crucial influences on Kaiser Wilhelm II and Adolf Hitler? Truly the fanatics are more alike than different.

While the Nazis copied some of Spengler's critique of Western liberalism, he disliked them. He dismissed Hitler as vulgar and said Germany needed a real hero, not a vulgar tenor, and disagreed with their pseudoscientific racial theories and antisemitism. The Nazis banned his best selling "The Hour of Decision".

What's sad, and revealing, is the amount of ad hominem attacks on the author, rather than critiquing the actual content of the article. Unsurprisingly, out and out antisemites like "Amos Quito" spew their bile into this. It's also worthy of note that these sort of attacks usually aren't leveled against left-wing, and crypto or not so crypto antisemitic authors.


When an author welcomes the onset of the Third World War, the ethnic or religious background of the author is almost moot. But since Israel is ostensibly an ally of the US, one wonders whether we need look to Islamic states for radical statements, if this is what passes for the attitudes of America's ally.
 
2012-09-19 04:35:50 PM
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/ YaRlly
 
2012-09-19 04:37:37 PM

Amos Quito: Yeah, that "unremitted hatred" of the Jews has shown its face in many, many different places and among many, many diverse peoples over the centuries.

Actually, the only single constant I can see through all of these events is the Jews.

Any thoughts on that?


Yes: there were always anti-semite shiatstains like yourself around.

From the christian church stereotypes of those damn christkillers who refuse to accept Christs to being a tiny weak minority separated by religion, dress, customs and everything else making them an easy scapegoat, economical reasons, blood libels, etc and so on.

Why did they blame the Jews for the black plague ? because shtuttup, that's why.
 
2012-09-19 04:57:03 PM
great depression-germany steps up-WW2-economy up
next depression-middle east steps up-WW3-? wait around and see
 
2012-09-19 05:17:48 PM
Let the suicide bombers have nukes. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-09-19 05:18:07 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Yeah, that "unremitted hatred" of the Jews has shown its face in many, many different places and among many, many diverse peoples over the centuries.

Actually, the only single constant I can see through all of these events is the Jews.

Any thoughts on that?

Yes: there were always anti-semite shiatstains like yourself around.

From the christian church stereotypes of those damn christkillers who refuse to accept Christs to being a tiny weak minority separated by religion, dress, customs and everything else making them an easy scapegoat, economical reasons, blood libels, etc and so on.

Why did they blame the Jews for the black plague ? because shtuttup, that's why.



Great, now do Muslims, my little Semitist friend.

:-)
 
2012-09-19 05:23:26 PM

Amos Quito: Great, now do Muslims, my little Semitist friend.


Gee, i wonder why. They can actually teach you a thing or 2 about anti-semitism.
 
2012-09-19 05:36:44 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Great, now do Muslims, my little Semitist friend.

Gee, i wonder why. They can actually teach you a thing or 2 about anti-semitism.



No, really.

Explain the "senseless scapegoating animosity" that Muslims (and other non-Christian groups) have had toward Jews.


/Bearing in mind that Jews have never played any part in their own history, of course
 
2012-09-19 05:40:06 PM

YixilTesiphon: No, it wouldn't. Trading with everyone in the Middle East would be optimal for American interests, because American interests = American wealth.


No problem, then. We just sell guns to all sides.
 
2012-09-19 05:53:39 PM
Bring it you bearded angry freaks.
 
2012-09-19 05:57:27 PM

stewmadness: Bring it you bearded angry freaks.


i.dailymail.co.uk

^ Frown on your shenanigans ^
 
2012-09-19 06:11:34 PM

vudukungfu: I claim the popcorn and baklava consession!!!!


Now the rowin' gambler he was very bored
He was tryin' to create a next world war
He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
He said I never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes I think it can be very easily done
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on Highway 61.
 
2012-09-19 06:14:28 PM

serial_crusher: ok, but we have to promise to either stay out of it or just nuke the whole subcontinent.


Seriously.
 
2012-09-19 07:01:18 PM
If there's an afterlife and it enables the dead to view the world, the scholars and intellectuals from the seemingly forgotten time of enlightenment in the Arab world must truly weep when they see their distant progeny. 

That peninsula is just farked, no way around it.
 
2012-09-19 07:16:14 PM

Amos Quito: TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Great, now do Muslims, my little Semitist friend.

Gee, i wonder why. They can actually teach you a thing or 2 about anti-semitism.


No, really.

Explain the "senseless scapegoating animosity" that Muslims (and other non-Christian groups) have had toward Jews.


/Bearing in mind that Jews have never played any part in their own history, of course


No. There's no reason to constantly have to defend Jews and provide proof against accusations that 'Jews are bad'. Not playing that stupid game.
 
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