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(Asia Times)   All-out regional war in the Middle East might be optimal outcome for American interests   (atimes.com) divider line 218
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2012-09-19 09:29:59 AM
I claim the popcorn and baklava consession!!!!
 
2012-09-19 09:32:44 AM
I predict this discussion will be rational and calm.

/buys some of udukungfu's popcorn...
 
2012-09-19 09:33:43 AM
*rtfa*

Well, that was depressing.
 
2012-09-19 09:34:30 AM

unlikely: /buys some of udukungfu's popcorn...


I'll take an order of baklava, please...
 
2012-09-19 09:36:09 AM
Whoa, wait. Back the mobile nuclear missile trailer up!

*rereads TFA*

Ok, THIS guy's the author!??

media.comicvine.com

Can we TRUST his expertise?
 
2012-09-19 09:47:43 AM

xanadian: unlikely: /buys some of udukungfu's popcorn...

I'll take an order of baklava, please...


I'll take an order of baklava-flavored popcorn

/ewww
 
2012-09-19 09:53:41 AM
ok, but we have to promise to either stay out of it or just nuke the whole subcontinent.
 
2012-09-19 09:59:50 AM

somedude210: I'll take an order of baklava-flavored popcorn

/ewww


[csb]

When I was ~25 I spent three weeks in Paris. One of my goals was to speak French well enough that the locals did not feel compelled to switch to English for me.

The first day I managed the entire work day and dinner, I decided to see a movie at that UGC on the Rue Alain Chartier (in the 15th). I went in, got a ticket to see KUZCO:L'Empreur Megalo. I ordered popcorn at the concession stand. The really nice concessions girl said "Du sel ou du sucre...?" And my brain just did a backflip. Salt or sugar? Wha...?

And that's when she decided to switch to English, and my near-perfect day was destroyed. Salt or sugar.

So curious, I ordered it. Sucre.

It was Kettle corn.

[csb]

I suspect "baklava-flavored popcorn" is probably just kettle corn.
 
2012-09-19 10:15:35 AM
The only thing you should read is this tagline at the end:

Spengler is channeled by David P Goldman. His book How Civilizations Die (and why Islam is Dying, Too) was published by Regnery Press in September 2011. A volume of his essays on culture, religion and economics, It's Not the End of the World - It's Just the End of You, also appeared last fall, from Van Praag Press.

And from wikipedia: David Paul Goldman is an economist and author. As a religious Jew, Goldman says that he writes from a Judeo-Christian perspective and often focuses on demographic and economic factors in his analyses; he says his subject matter proceeds "from the theme formulated by Rosenzweig: the mortality of nations and its causes, Western secularism, Asian anomie, and unadaptable Islam."

In other words, this article was written by a Jewish zealot.
 
2012-09-19 10:32:55 AM
takes notes: try putting one kernal of popcorn in each triangle of baklava prior to baking to see if it pops and puffs the triangles more, 'cause that would be cool.
 
2012-09-19 11:04:21 AM
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-19 12:04:14 PM
It would certainly save us the trouble of murdering all of those people with our all-seeing death bots.
 
2012-09-19 12:06:18 PM
No, it wouldn't. Trading with everyone in the Middle East would be optimal for American interests, because American interests = American wealth.
 
2012-09-19 12:06:29 PM
i'm ok with this

/so long somebody also kills the last man standing
 
2012-09-19 12:08:08 PM
Put a wall around it, call us when you have a winner
 
2012-09-19 12:10:02 PM
If by all-out regional war you mean "they all kill each other and it forces us to find a viable alternative so we don't have to give a shiat anymore about a region whose mindset hasn't evolved since the seventh century", then yes it might just well be the optimal outcome.
 
2012-09-19 12:11:10 PM

xanadian: Whoa, wait. Back the mobile nuclear missile trailer up!

*rereads TFA*

Ok, THIS guy's the author!??

[media.comicvine.com image 541x417]

Can we TRUST his expertise?


I don't know but after read that a Twinkie sounds pretty good right now.
 
2012-09-19 12:11:15 PM
The results were pretty well covered in this RPG supplement:

ecx.images-amazon.com

No, it's not a pretty world at all. The Middle East is a nuclear slag pile, and everyone is scrambling to secure new supplies of oil and starve off economic collapse.
 
2012-09-19 12:11:35 PM

somedude210: xanadian: unlikely: /buys some of udukungfu's popcorn...

I'll take an order of baklava, please...

I'll take an order of baklava-flavored popcorn

/ewww


How about some Whop-corn? Whoppers and popcorn...get ready to step up to flavor
 
2012-09-19 12:13:42 PM
He's a cheery sort.

This has been predicted since at least the end of WW2. It seems like the parties go to the brink, then back off. Will it happen this cycle? Who knows? If it does, the gene pool thinning will be epic.
 
2012-09-19 12:14:22 PM
Sooo boils down to kill em all let God/Allah sort em out. We get oil. Profit?
 
2012-09-19 12:14:42 PM
While the loss of human life would be unfortunate, I've about come to that conclusion, myself.

International intervention, and US meddling in particular, is pretty much all that has "kept the peace" over there for generations, and that "peace" is a joke as-is. It's honestly getting to be about time that we (the rest of the world) just yank our support entirely and let them figure it out for themselves, potential for wide-scale war in the region notwithstanding.

And that includes Israel. Let them all fight it out for a while, and check back in a decade or two.
 
2012-09-19 12:14:47 PM
Maybe someone should whip up an inflammatory movie to get the holy wars rollin'.
 
2012-09-19 12:14:49 PM
let's you and him fight!
 
2012-09-19 12:15:33 PM
/out of control
//lucky to live through it
///blah blah blah
 
2012-09-19 12:15:48 PM
"Don't believe in Goldman / His type like a curse....."

Am I the only one who spotted that a hard-right Jewish writer uses as a pseudonym the name of Oswald Spengler, one of the crucial influences on Kaiser Wilhelm II and Adolf Hitler? Truly the fanatics are more alike than different.
 
2012-09-19 12:16:09 PM

pxlboy: How about some Whop-corn?


2.bp.blogspot.com

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2012-09-19 12:16:50 PM

Another Government Employee: He's a cheery sort.

This has been predicted since at least the end of WW2. It seems like the parties go to the brink, then back off. Will it happen this cycle? Who knows? If it does, the gene pool thinning will be epic.


The parties that tend to back off are usually Western. After WW2, the Western powers and Soviet Union finally realized that wars were reaching a point where mass conflict on the scale of WW2 were going to destroy entire societies. The Middle East, having been at war for freakin' ever and not having gone through the mass destruction of a war like WW2, doesn't seem to have received this message very clearly.
 
2012-09-19 12:16:57 PM
As long as they're killing each other with American arms, we can profit mightily.
 
2012-09-19 12:19:05 PM
Nuke the whole Mid-east. Start over from scratch.
 
2012-09-19 12:19:17 PM
How about a nice old fashioned conventional ground war, where everyone is wearing uniforms and we have clear-cut good guys and bad guys?
 
2012-09-19 12:19:28 PM
This is a great idea as long as we're not involved. Pull out of the Middle East, let them kill each other, go back in, rename the area "The Other America", and take over all that precious juice.
 
2012-09-19 12:19:29 PM
I love the Jews and all, but you're on your own on this one Israel.
 
2012-09-19 12:19:43 PM
Yay weapons contracts?
 
2012-09-19 12:19:47 PM
"There is no reason to expect most of the Muslim countries to go quietly into irreversible decline. All-out regional war is the likely outcome sooner or later. We might as well get on with it.

Spengler is channeled by David P Goldman."

I'm sure there's no pre-existing bias there.
 
2012-09-19 12:20:40 PM

Marine1: Another Government Employee: He's a cheery sort.

This has been predicted since at least the end of WW2. It seems like the parties go to the brink, then back off. Will it happen this cycle? Who knows? If it does, the gene pool thinning will be epic.

The parties that tend to back off are usually Western. After WW2, the Western powers and Soviet Union finally realized that wars were reaching a point where mass conflict on the scale of WW2 were going to destroy entire societies. The Middle East, having been at war for freakin' ever and not having gone through the mass destruction of a war like WW2, doesn't seem to have received this message very clearly.


You do understand that the Middle East perfected the art of destroying nations long before the Germanic tribes found their way to the Rhine, right?
 
2012-09-19 12:21:53 PM
That dude is insane, and he and people who think like him are the problem with the world today. Jeez.
 
2012-09-19 12:23:22 PM
serial_crusher: ok, but we have to promise to either stay out of it or just nuke the whole subcontinent.

Pretty much this.
 
2012-09-19 12:24:06 PM

YixilTesiphon: No, it wouldn't. Trading with everyone in the Middle East would be optimal for American interests, because American interests = American wealth.


That's what I'm talkin' about, brother!
If the Islamic fundies could see the bigger picture instead of focusing on our presence on their ever-so Holy DIRT there could be some real progress on both sides.
 
2012-09-19 12:25:30 PM
Long term destabilization of any resource rich region is always in America's best interest. This way we can send aid,advisors and trade agreements. You know, for stable relations with their new best buddies and benefactors. American corporations. Paid for by the american citizen.
 
2012-09-19 12:25:36 PM
wonder how many minutes the middle east will exist after they nuke one american city?
 
2012-09-19 12:25:56 PM
Let'em wipe each other out. Will make the world a better place.
 
2012-09-19 12:26:59 PM
Um, who we callin' bellicose?
 
2012-09-19 12:28:20 PM

hdhale: Marine1: Another Government Employee: He's a cheery sort.

This has been predicted since at least the end of WW2. It seems like the parties go to the brink, then back off. Will it happen this cycle? Who knows? If it does, the gene pool thinning will be epic.

The parties that tend to back off are usually Western. After WW2, the Western powers and Soviet Union finally realized that wars were reaching a point where mass conflict on the scale of WW2 were going to destroy entire societies. The Middle East, having been at war for freakin' ever and not having gone through the mass destruction of a war like WW2, doesn't seem to have received this message very clearly.

You do understand that the Middle East perfected the art of destroying nations long before the Germanic tribes found their way to the Rhine, right?


At a time when destroying tribes meant wiping out a few hundred people and leaving society mostly intact. The sort of warfare that emerged in the aftermath of WW2 would have eliminated millions and wiped complete regions clean of anything related to humanity for as long as the area remained radioactive.
 
2012-09-19 12:29:09 PM

pxlboy: somedude210: xanadian: unlikely: /buys some of udukungfu's popcorn...

I'll take an order of baklava, please...

I'll take an order of baklava-flavored popcorn

/ewww

How about some Whop-corn? Whoppers and popcorn...get ready to step up to flavor


I read that as "whippets and popcorn."

/Get off my lawn, you weren't there in the '80s, you don't know nothin' at all.
 
2012-09-19 12:31:17 PM

hdhale: Marine1: Another Government Employee: He's a cheery sort.

This has been predicted since at least the end of WW2. It seems like the parties go to the brink, then back off. Will it happen this cycle? Who knows? If it does, the gene pool thinning will be epic.

The parties that tend to back off are usually Western. After WW2, the Western powers and Soviet Union finally realized that wars were reaching a point where mass conflict on the scale of WW2 were going to destroy entire societies. The Middle East, having been at war for freakin' ever and not having gone through the mass destruction of a war like WW2, doesn't seem to have received this message very clearly.

You do understand that the Middle East perfected the art of destroying nations long before the Germanic tribes found their way to the Rhine, right?


I'd wager that the germanic peoples learned pretty damn fast.

and, don't forget, the romans used to be great. then they couldn't take stick throwing ethiopians.
 
2012-09-19 12:32:16 PM
yeah, let Israel off its chain and let the fun begin!
 
2012-09-19 12:34:28 PM

pute kisses like a man:

and, don't forget, the romans used to be great. then they couldn't take stick throwing ethiopians.


That's no shame for the Romans. Until recently, those stick-throwing guys were more than a match for tanks.
 
2012-09-19 12:35:43 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: How about a nice old fashioned conventional ground war, where everyone is wearing uniforms and we have clear-cut good guys and bad guys?


Why would our opponents agree to play by our rules?
 
2012-09-19 12:36:02 PM
Can you say Armageddon?
 
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