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(LA Times)   Before Aaron Hernandez's injury, the Patriots tell everyone Kellen Winslow failed his physical. After the injury, Pats doctors ready to upgrade Winslow to "alive"   (latimes.com) divider line 38
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2012-09-19 09:28:09 AM  
That would be called tampering. But then again New England has never had a problem with cheating.
 
2012-09-19 09:37:55 AM  
After last years hiring of ChadO, I guess they have no problems with head cases.
 
2012-09-19 09:44:19 AM  
a) no one said he failed a physical.
b) don't fear the replacement refs, NFL. You just got soldiered up.
 
2012-09-19 12:29:52 PM  
to be fair winslow's a warrior.
 
2012-09-19 12:31:04 PM  
They also re-signed Deion Branch. Wonder why they keep cutting and re-signing the guy.
 
2012-09-19 12:34:00 PM  
So now he's a Universal Soldier?
 
2012-09-19 12:34:04 PM  

WTF Indeed: That would be called tampering. But then again (fill in NFL team) has never had a problem with cheating.

 
2012-09-19 12:35:51 PM  

A Fark Handle: to be fair winslow's a warrior.


A warrior who's never had a night's sleep on anything less than 800 thread count sheets but a warrior nonetheless.
 
2012-09-19 12:35:53 PM  

basemetal: After last years hiring of ChadO, I guess they have no problems with head cases.


And they revived Randy Moss's career in a big way, so yeah. But I'm not sure I'd classify Winslow as a head case -- he's reputed to be a pretty hard worker despite being precluded from a lot of practices because of his knee injury. The Seahawks didn't have an unkind word for him; they just decided to let him go because of his salary and the conditional pick that they had traded for him. Yeah, there's the "soldier" thing that made him look like a douchebag, but that was many years ago when he was a college-age kid, and frankly a lot of college-age footballers think that way. Seemed way overblown to me. And there's the idiocy of his motorcycle crash, which is harder to excuse (and is frankly the biggest reason why he isn't one of the league's best tight ends the way he was supposed to be), but at least he hasn't given teams any on-field problems. Forget about what could have been and take him for what he is, which is a possession receiver with modest talents who has to be limited in practice, and everyone will be fine.
 
2012-09-19 12:40:19 PM  
The only real team-related problem Winslow ever really had was when he lit into the Browns GM for the staph infection problem they had. He was suspended until and then had it rescinded because, apparently, a handful of Browns all had it.

Also, the soldier thing was ridiculous ... on everyone else's part. The media - and the fans - cannot shiat on a football player who claims he is a soldier when nearly every single goddamn word used to describe football has a corollary to war.
 
2012-09-19 12:40:56 PM  

Super Chronic: And they revived Randy Moss's career in a big way,


Well, it's not like they came up with anything brilliant other than "have a QB who can get him the ball so he'll give a sh*t."

Super Chronic: The Seahawks didn't have an unkind word for him; they just decided to let him go because of his salary and the conditional pick that they had traded for him.


Yup. I'd have bet that we'd have picked Winslow back up immediately had it been one of our TEs that went down this early.
 
2012-09-19 12:52:24 PM  

IAmRight: a) no one said he failed a physical.
b) don't fear the replacement refs, NFL. You just got soldiered up.


He failed it when the Pats tried him out right after the Seahawks cut him. Two weeks later, and his knee passes just fine!

I'm okay with the Pats, and I don't buy into a lot of the "cheating" allegations that surround them (pretty much every team did what they did), but this smells really fishy. It sounds like the Pats wanted to keep Winslow off the market by publicizing his failed physical so they could bring him back after the first few weeks have passed. This prevents them from having to pay Winslow's full salary; it also gave them the insurance policy they needed, as Shiancoe and Hoomanwanui would probably not have worked out.
 
2012-09-19 12:58:55 PM  
I'm sure the Pats are going to use him for intel, too, since the Seahawks are on the schedule in a couple of weeks.
 
2012-09-19 01:03:17 PM  
fark Bill Belecheat...
 
2012-09-19 01:10:51 PM  
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2012-09-19 01:22:19 PM  
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2012-09-19 01:25:31 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: IAmRight: a) no one said he failed a physical.
b) don't fear the replacement refs, NFL. You just got soldiered up.

He failed it when the Pats tried him out right after the Seahawks cut him. Two weeks later, and his knee passes just fine!

I'm okay with the Pats, and I don't buy into a lot of the "cheating" allegations that surround them (pretty much every team did what they did), but this smells really fishy. It sounds like the Pats wanted to keep Winslow off the market by publicizing his failed physical so they could bring him back after the first few weeks have passed. This prevents them from having to pay Winslow's full salary; it also gave them the insurance policy they needed, as Shiancoe and Hoomanwanui would probably not have worked out.


except he didnt fail it. reporters got it wrong, and it was confirmed by staff after the tryout.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8343690/te-kellen-winslow-di d -not-fail-patriots-physical-reports-say

this whole headline is null and void
 
2012-09-19 01:26:38 PM  

lecavalier: The only real team-related problem Winslow ever really had was when he lit into the Browns GM for the staph infection problem they had. He was suspended until and then had it rescinded because, apparently, a handful of Browns all had it.

Also, the soldier thing was ridiculous ... on everyone else's part. The media - and the fans - cannot shiat on a football player who claims he is a soldier when nearly every single goddamn word used to describe football has a corollary to war.


This, this and more this. Something that makes me nuts about the bounty thing was when everybody got outraged at Williams's "kill the head and body will die" speech. In Joe Vitt's FIRST press conference as interim coach, when asked how the team looked, he said, "We won't really know until there are live bullets flying around." Hey Joe, it's football. There won't be any live bullets unless it's "The Last Boy Scout" and that was a movie.
 
2012-09-19 01:31:17 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: IAmRight: a) no one said he failed a physical.
b) don't fear the replacement refs, NFL. You just got soldiered up.

He failed it when the Pats tried him out right after the Seahawks cut him. Two weeks later, and his knee passes just fine!

I'm okay with the Pats, and I don't buy into a lot of the "cheating" allegations that surround them (pretty much every team did what they did), but this smells really fishy. It sounds like the Pats wanted to keep Winslow off the market by publicizing his failed physical so they could bring him back after the first few weeks have passed. This prevents them from having to pay Winslow's full salary; it also gave them the insurance policy they needed, as Shiancoe and Hoomanwanui would probably not have worked out.


Meh. Players often fail a physical at one team, then pass at another a few days later. Different doctor, different opinion. Or he needed two more weeks of rehab to be ready. Teams aren't going to sign a free agent if they have to wait for him to be healthy; they're signing him because they need him THIS WEEK.
 
2012-09-19 01:31:43 PM  

sn0wblind: whizbangthedirtfarmer: IAmRight: a) no one said he failed a physical.
b) don't fear the replacement refs, NFL. You just got soldiered up.

He failed it when the Pats tried him out right after the Seahawks cut him. Two weeks later, and his knee passes just fine!

I'm okay with the Pats, and I don't buy into a lot of the "cheating" allegations that surround them (pretty much every team did what they did), but this smells really fishy. It sounds like the Pats wanted to keep Winslow off the market by publicizing his failed physical so they could bring him back after the first few weeks have passed. This prevents them from having to pay Winslow's full salary; it also gave them the insurance policy they needed, as Shiancoe and Hoomanwanui would probably not have worked out.

except he didnt fail it. reporters got it wrong, and it was confirmed by staff after the tryout.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8343690/te-kellen-winslow-di d -not-fail-patriots-physical-reports-say

this whole headline is null and void


On the other hand, pretty much every article from the NFL.com site about Winslow mentions he failed the physical. Where did this information come from? True or not, it was put out by somebody...
 
2012-09-19 02:01:45 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: On the other hand, pretty much every article from the NFL.com site about Winslow mentions he failed the physical. Where did this information come from? True or not, it was put out by somebody...


Because sports journalism is more about the story than accuracy?
 
2012-09-19 02:32:35 PM  
And he is already owned in 16% of Yahoo fantasy leagues by people who don't know a damn thing about football.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-19 03:06:42 PM  
Did they take him to Shelbyville Hospital to be upgraded to "alive"?
 
2012-09-19 03:09:47 PM  

roflmaonow: They also re-signed Deion Branch. Wonder why they keep cutting and re-signing the guy.


Offseason: Branch isn't very good, we can sign better WRs, let's cut him.
Season starts: Good God these new receivers are stupid. We need Branch back.

Rinse and repeat.
 
2012-09-19 03:20:59 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: He failed it when the Pats tried him out right after the Seahawks cut him.


No, he didn't. They even said it was a bogus report immediately after whoever filed it, filed it. Not the Pats fault everyone reports speculation as fact (people said similar things about when the Seahawks cut him and they also made up that Owens had been cut for attitude-related issues rather than the fact that he couldn't catch passes). The only difference between you and I and sports reporters is that people believe sports reporters' opinions.
 
2012-09-19 05:54:23 PM  

Liquorslingr: And he is already owned in 16% of Yahoo fantasy leagues by people who don't know a damn thing about football.

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Pats tight ends are touchdown machines and he has shown skills in the past. It's not a bad speculative move.
 
2012-09-19 06:15:37 PM  

Bleyo: Liquorslingr: And he is already owned in 16% of Yahoo fantasy leagues by people who don't know a damn thing about football.

[i.imgur.com image 675x102]

Pats tight ends are touchdown machines and he has shown skills in the past. It's not a bad speculative move.


Yeah, I don't see the problem with picking him up, especially if your league requires TEs (as mine does). I mean, he's just a year removed from a season with 70+ receptions, and that was with Josh Freeman. Not that I'd expect him to catch that many passes on a team with more offensive weapons -- the criticism of Freeman is that he was too locked in to Winslow as his outlet, which hurt the team but did give Winslow his fantasy stats, and that isn't going to happen with Brady -- but it's not crazy to take a flier on someone who has been a productive player in the recent past.
 
2012-09-19 06:17:45 PM  
I don't see what the issue is. He can fit into their offense. Sometimes you work a guy out and say, "We'll if we had a 54 man roster he'd make it. We don't so he's cut." Then you lose a few players and there you go. Any other team could have worked him out.
 
2012-09-19 07:17:50 PM  
It's the Pats, that proves it was a machiavellian conspiracy including but not limited to Goodel, ESPN and, as always, Satan.
 
2012-09-19 08:48:47 PM  

Super Chronic: Bleyo: Liquorslingr: And he is already owned in 16% of Yahoo fantasy leagues by people who don't know a damn thing about football.

[i.imgur.com image 675x102]

Pats tight ends are touchdown machines and he has shown skills in the past. It's not a bad speculative move.

Yeah, I don't see the problem with picking him up, especially if your league requires TEs (as mine does). I mean, he's just a year removed from a season with 70+ receptions, and that was with Josh Freeman. Not that I'd expect him to catch that many passes on a team with more offensive weapons -- the criticism of Freeman is that he was too locked in to Winslow as his outlet, which hurt the team but did give Winslow his fantasy stats, and that isn't going to happen with Brady -- but it's not crazy to take a flier on someone who has been a productive player in the recent past.


Yes, but here's the thing that makes it tougher to swallow: When both Gronk & Hernandez are used, they are usually set up so that one gets all the blocking assignments and one gets the glory, and they tend to take turns once the coverage settles in. Now if Winslow can't figure out the blocking assignments, then (a) the play calling will rely less on the two of them in general, and (b) Brady'll get flustered, which we all know leads to him going menstrual. It all hinges on whether or not Winslow can figure out the blocking assignments.

Of course, what could render all this moot on Sunday is if Brady decides to have his own personal welcome back party for Branch and ignores the tight ends.

\Me? I've got two of my current three receivers having their bye week soon. Solution? Get the best guy available from the team playing the Jags that week!
 
2012-09-19 08:50:16 PM  
Meanwhile the pats are giving Edelman a bunch of plays while Welker is plucking splinters from his ass. At least their defense has improved some.
 
2012-09-19 09:39:18 PM  

laid back w/bud light: Meanwhile the pats are giving Edelman a bunch of plays while Welker is plucking splinters from his ass. At least their defense has improved some.



Oh well, I'm still not over Welker dropping that pass in the SB.
 
2012-09-19 10:39:42 PM  

FriarReb98: Yes, but here's the thing that makes it tougher to swallow: When both Gronk & Hernandez are used, they are usually set up so that one gets all the blocking assignments and one gets the glory, and they tend to take turns once the coverage settles in. Now if Winslow can't figure out the blocking assignments, then (a) the play calling will rely less on the two of them in general, and (b) Brady'll get flustered, which we all know leads to him going menstrual. It all hinges on whether or not Winslow can figure out the blocking assignments.

Of course, what could render all this moot on Sunday is if Brady decides to have his own personal welcome back party for Branch and ignores the tight ends.


Well, I'm not suggesting people run out and trade Jimmy Graham straight-up for him or anything; I'm just saying he's worth a shot and could be viable. In a league like mine where there are 14 teams, each required to have two TEs, and you were stuck taking someone like John Carlson or Benjamin Watson at the end of the draft, grabbing Winslow now as a FA pickup isn't crazy.
 
2012-09-20 07:37:23 AM  

WTF Indeed: New England has never had a problem with cheating.


No team in the NFL has an issue with cheating. The derp over the Pats' and Saints' scandals is that teams and sportswriters had the nerve to pretend everyone else was without sin.

What bothers me more is that Belichick is a notorious sociopath who doesn't give a shiat if his players bled to death on the field. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it turns out he influenced the results of the physical just to add position depth.
 
2012-09-20 08:32:05 AM  

dragonchild: The derp over the Pats' and Saints' scandals is that teams and sportswriters had the nerve to pretend everyone else was without sin.


Yup. The holier than thou attitude taken towards it is crazy.
 
2012-09-20 01:50:33 PM  

FriarReb98: dragonchild: The derp over the Pats' and Saints' scandals is that teams and sportswriters had the nerve to pretend everyone else was without sin.

Yup. The holier than thou attitude taken towards it is crazy.


*adjusts halo*
 
2012-09-20 06:32:01 PM  

Di Atribe: *adjusts halo*


You're lucky I like you.... :P
 
2012-09-20 11:31:04 PM  

FriarReb98: You're lucky I like you.... :P


I know. 0:)
 
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