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(Talking Points Memo)   Fact: The people Republicans despise are in fact Republicans. Fate: Conservative leaders start calling for Rmoney to drop out of the race   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 115
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2012-09-19 09:58:18 AM
Bill Kristol has traded off his father's name to point where an entire generation of people have no idea the name 'Kristol' used to mean some of the brightest political thinking in the world.
 
2012-09-19 10:08:31 AM
This will not hurt him with his base at all. It will turn off independents somewhat but within the Republican base there is a self delusion that is amazing. They cannot see that their taking assistance after their husband died is the same as a poor family taking food stamps because dad lost his job. That accepting money in a federal grant so Junior can go to trade school is just the same as a subsidized head start program in the inner city.

Also deep in the heart many conservatives is the belief that someday soon they will be one of the rich and powerful and when that day comes dammit they are not gonna share shiat with nobody. Because what's the point of being rich if you cannot lord it over every one else?
 
2012-09-19 10:09:17 AM

WTF Indeed: Bill Kristol has traded off his father's name to point where an entire generation of people have no idea the name 'Kristol' used to mean some of the brightest political thinking in the world.


I liked him better when he made When Harry met Sally. He got arrogant after hosting the Oscars
 
2012-09-19 10:25:18 AM

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.


 
 
2012-09-19 10:46:07 AM

NuttierThanEver: They cannot see that their taking assistance after their husband died is the same as a poor family taking food stamps because dad lost his job. That accepting money in a federal grant so Junior can go to trade school is just the same as a subsidized head start program in the inner city.

Also deep in the heart many conservatives is the belief that someday soon they will be one of the rich and powerful and when that day comes dammit they are not gonna share shiat with nobody. Because what's the point of being rich if you cannot lord it over every one else?


Pretty much that. I know several people from childhood who grew up at the poverty line. They grew up and eventually eked their way into a lower-middle class suburb and now believe that anyone living at the poverty line trying to survive with a shiat-load of bad luck or a deck stacked against them is mooching off government handouts even if the only thing those individuals "take" from the government is the favorable tax rate.

They don't ignore their own background when spewing nonsense and believing anything they're told, rather they often make up their own reality with respect to their past - "We were a hard working middle-class family!" Bullshiat. Your dad was a drunk and your house was always a mess and your family couldn't even afford to put shiat on layaway at K-Mart.
 
2012-09-19 11:10:26 AM

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.



NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.


NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.


NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.
 
2012-09-19 11:14:20 AM
And Rich Asshole isn't dropping out of the race anymore than Confederate Goldbug is bringing back the Free Soil Party. 

Get over it, Bill.

Marathon Liar and Cuban Chimichanga will not be the ticket this time.

/Now over to Ollie Williams with the Blackuweather Forecast 
 
2012-09-19 11:19:59 AM

Somacandra: NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.


Yeah I've already seen more than one person on my facebook news feed claiming that they changed their minds and are going to vote Romney cause of the 47% thing.
 
2012-09-19 11:52:40 AM
unless he chooses to step down and we get the Ryan-Rubio ticket we deserve!

wat
 
2012-09-19 12:02:48 PM
Ouch. That's pretty scathing, but:

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

 
2012-09-19 12:03:24 PM

GAT_00: unless he chooses to step down and we get the Ryan-Rubio ticket we deserve!

wat


Huntsman-Collins.

Yeah.

/dream on
 
2012-09-19 12:03:36 PM

GAT_00: unless he chooses to step down and we get the Ryan-Rubio ticket we deserve!

wat


If that happens, make Paul Ryan the star of the next edition of The Bachelor and make him give someone a rose to be his VP nominee before election day.
 
2012-09-19 12:08:41 PM
FTFA: "Romney seems to have contempt not just for the Democrats who oppose him, but for tens of millions who intend to vote for him."

You're just now picking up on this, Billy boy?
 
2012-09-19 12:15:11 PM
This is problematic for me... I've lived under the hard-earned assumption that anything that comes from Bill Kristol's mouth is wrong, just by default. This assumption has held a pretty solid track record for me since 2003.

Nah... gotta be an outlier. I'll chalk it up to the broken clock idea.
 
2012-09-19 12:15:11 PM
Wow. When you're a Republican and you've lost Bill Kristol...

you've lost the race.


It's over. Stick a fork in him, he's done. Strap him to a roof and drive him away; Romney is toast. That's all, folks.
 
2012-09-19 12:15:17 PM
I can't get past the math of his statement. If 47% of the country will never ever ever ever ever vote for him, then he needs to get 94% of the people that might possibly consider voting for him to win. It seems like that's as good as saying, "It's impossible for me to win this election and you people are throwing your money down a hole."
 
2012-09-19 12:15:29 PM
www.dependablerenegade.com
 
2012-09-19 12:16:58 PM

Jackson Herring: Somacandra: NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

Yeah I've already seen more than one person on my facebook news feed claiming that they changed their minds and are going to vote Romney cause of the 47% thing.


Bullshiat; they were going to vote Romney in the first place. Nobody who is stupid enough to hear those comments and like Romney even more wasn't going to vote for Romney already.
 
2012-09-19 12:19:59 PM
Does Mitt not realize he is one of his fabled "47 percent"?

Mitt doesn't pay income tax.

Hell, Mitt doesn't pay payroll taxes either.

Nope, Mitt just grifts on the rest of us hard working Americans, with his "carried interest" and "capital gains" taxed at 15%.
 
2012-09-19 12:20:07 PM

MithrandirBooga: Jackson Herring: Somacandra: NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

Yeah I've already seen more than one person on my facebook news feed claiming that they changed their minds and are going to vote Romney cause of the 47% thing.

Bullshiat; they were going to vote Romney in the first place. Nobody who is stupid enough to hear those comments and like Romney even more wasn't going to vote for Romney already.


I AM seeing a lot of "Romney will win, you'll see!" statements, with a fairly hysterical undertone. The really sad thing is, they don't LIKE Romney, they just hate Obama so so much.
 
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2012-09-19 12:20:37 PM

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all. It will turn off independents somewhat but within the Republican base there is a self delusion that is amazing. They cannot see that their taking assistance after their husband died is the same as a poor family taking food stamps because dad lost his job. That accepting money in a federal grant so Junior can go to trade school is just the same as a subsidized head start program in the inner city.

Also deep in the heart many conservatives is the belief that someday soon they will be one of the rich and powerful and when that day comes dammit they are not gonna share shiat with nobody. Because what's the point of being rich if you cannot lord it over every one else?

 
2012-09-19 12:20:45 PM
How is collecting dividends any less lazy than collecting welfare?

Collecting dividends is getting money for doing nothing.
 
2012-09-19 12:20:57 PM
Haha Fun to watch liberals in panic mode. Obama's post-convention bounce has disappeared, his foreign policy resulted in unnecessary deaths, and we now have unequivocal evidence that he's a socialist re-distributor of other people's wealth. The curtain is slowly being pulled back...
 
2012-09-19 12:21:06 PM
I had hoped Romney's viciously ignorant contempt for countless hard working people struggling to get by on the pensions they earned or with low paying jobs would cost him any chance at being elected.
But if the consistently, almost magically, wrong Bill Kristol agrees his comments hurt him I become worried that they somehow didn't.
 
2012-09-19 12:21:08 PM

Planterz: This is problematic for me... I've lived under the hard-earned assumption that anything that comes from Bill Kristol's mouth is wrong, just by default. This assumption has held a pretty solid track record for me since 2003.

Nah... gotta be an outlier. I'll chalk it up to the broken clock idea.


Don't give the retard any credit as he hasn't earned it. FTA: " It remains important for the country that Romney wins in November (unless he chooses to step down and we get the Ryan-Rubio ticket we deserve!),"

Basically he said that no matter how bad Romney is and how insensitive he is to half the country he's still better than Obama. This retard is the very definition of the GOP ideal: party before country.
 
2012-09-19 12:21:33 PM

WTF Indeed: Bill Kristol has traded off his father's name to point where an entire generation of people have no idea the name 'Kristol' used to mean some of the brightest political thinking in the world.


Kristol's cousin also invented modern methamphetamines.
 
2012-09-19 12:22:03 PM
www.cbpp.org
 
2012-09-19 12:22:52 PM

Jackson Herring: Yeah I've already seen more than one person on my facebook news feed claiming that they changed their minds and are going to vote Romney cause of the 47% thing.


Glad to see he's voting. Let's ensure nobody is prevented from voting this election.

Romney just can't do anything right. It is pretty pathetic that he's this bad and that he has so much support despite it.
 
2012-09-19 12:23:34 PM

UberDave: NuttierThanEver: They cannot see that their taking assistance after their husband died is the same as a poor family taking food stamps because dad lost his job. That accepting money in a federal grant so Junior can go to trade school is just the same as a subsidized head start program in the inner city.

Also deep in the heart many conservatives is the belief that someday soon they will be one of the rich and powerful and when that day comes dammit they are not gonna share shiat with nobody. Because what's the point of being rich if you cannot lord it over every one else?

Pretty much that. I know several people from childhood who grew up at the poverty line. They grew up and eventually eked their way into a lower-middle class suburb and now believe that anyone living at the poverty line trying to survive with a shiat-load of bad luck or a deck stacked against them is mooching off government handouts even if the only thing those individuals "take" from the government is the favorable tax rate.

They don't ignore their own background when spewing nonsense and believing anything they're told, rather they often make up their own reality with respect to their past - "We were a hard working middle-class family!" Bullshiat. Your dad was a drunk and your house was always a mess and your family couldn't even afford to put shiat on layaway at K-Mart.



I don't know about whether they really do or don't ignore their background, but it's clear that many haven't taken the time for introspecting their own past.

"What happened to society? I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No. No. They gave me hope, they gave me encouragement, and they gave me a vision." -- Craig T. Nelson
 
2012-09-19 12:24:28 PM
Wishful

Thinking
 
2012-09-19 12:25:17 PM

Jackson Herring: Yeah I've already seen more than one person on my facebook news feed claiming that they changed their minds and are going to vote Romney cause of the 47% thing.


Fark Independents
 
2012-09-19 12:26:03 PM

Jackson Herring:
Yeah I've already seen more than one person on my facebook news feed claiming that they changed their minds and are going to vote Romney cause of the 47% thing.


Have you considered the possibility that you might have stupid friends?
 
2012-09-19 12:26:09 PM

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all. It will turn off independents somewhat but within the Republican base there is a self delusion that is amazing. They cannot see that their taking assistance after their husband died is the same as a poor family taking food stamps because dad lost his job. That accepting money in a federal grant so Junior can go to trade school is just the same as a subsidized head start program in the inner city.

Also deep in the heart many conservatives is the belief that someday soon they will be one of the rich and powerful and when that day comes dammit they are not gonna share shiat with nobody. Because what's the point of being rich if you cannot lord it over every one else?


Same reason why pregnant anti-abortion women in that area still get abortions and manage to delude themselves to thinking that it's different in their case.
 
2012-09-19 12:26:27 PM
tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-19 12:27:08 PM

Agneska: Haha Fun to watch liberals in panic mode. Obama's post-convention bounce has disappeared, his foreign policy resulted in unnecessary deaths, and we now have unequivocal evidence that he's a socialist re-distributor of other people's wealth. The curtain is slowly being pulled back...


Is it hurt having Rush Limbaugh's hand shoved so far up your ass?
 
2012-09-19 12:28:01 PM

pacified: How is collecting dividends any less lazy than collecting welfare?

Collecting dividends is getting money for doing nothing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rentier
 
2012-09-19 12:29:13 PM

i_got_no_strings: Jackson Herring:
Yeah I've already seen more than one person on my facebook news feed claiming that they changed their minds and are going to vote Romney cause of the 47% thing.

Have you considered the possibility that you might have stupid friends?


I considered it for about two seconds before unfriending them
 
2012-09-19 12:29:41 PM

Agneska: Haha Fun to watch liberals in panic mode. Obama's post-convention bounce has disappeared, his foreign policy resulted in unnecessary deaths, and we now have unequivocal evidence that he's a socialist re-distributor of other people's wealth. The curtain is slowly being pulled back...

 

designthatmatters.net
 
2012-09-19 12:30:30 PM

HeartBurnKid: FTFA: "Romney seems to have contempt not just for the Democrats who oppose him, but for tens of millions who intend to vote for him."

You're just now picking up on this, Billy boy?


That's what makes me laugh, what with all these conservative pundits in the last day or two. How delusional do you have to be honestly think he WASN'T out of touch with the common person? I mean that was one of his biggest flaws as a candidate.

They just dismissed it as an unfair attack on Romney from the liberal media, but look where they are now.... reality does indeed have a liberal bias... you decided to make that bed with Romney, now you gotta sleep in it.
 
2012-09-19 12:31:36 PM

The comparison to "bittergate" is a specious false equivalency:



Some pundits have likened Romney's comments to Barack Obama's 2008 monologue, also secretly recorded at a fund-raiser, about his difficulties with white working class voters in rural Pennsylvania. But the spirit of Obama's remarks was precisely the opposite of Romney's. While Obama couched his beliefs in condescending sociological analysis about how poor small town residents vote on the basis of guns and religion rather than economics, the thrust of Obama's argument was that he believed his policies would help them, and to urge his supporters to make common cause with them:

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background - there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.


Compare to:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
 
2012-09-19 12:31:50 PM

MithrandirBooga: Jackson Herring: Somacandra: NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.

Yeah I've already seen more than one person on my facebook news feed claiming that they changed their minds and are going to vote Romney cause of the 47% thing.

Bullshiat; they were going to vote Romney in the first place. Nobody who is stupid enough to hear those comments and like Romney even more wasn't going to vote for Romney already.


First thing I thought too...

/sounds like someone trying to spin this as a positive
 
2012-09-19 12:32:15 PM
This whole disgusting "people only vote for Obama to protect their benefits" attack thing has been going on for a while now. Dunno why people just noticed it now.

Here's a link from back in April.
 
2012-09-19 12:34:00 PM
I find it interesting that for weeks the dialog as been only about Romney/Ryan and it is all negative.
 
2012-09-19 12:34:47 PM
Obama's comments were arrogant and condescending. Still doesn't make them wrong.
 
2012-09-19 12:35:47 PM
Fact: It's not cognitive dissonance to the one having it.
 
2012-09-19 12:36:12 PM

Agneska: Haha Fun to watch liberals in panic mode. Obama's post-convention bounce has disappeared, his foreign policy resulted in unnecessary deaths, and we now have unequivocal evidence that he's a socialist re-distributor of other people's wealth. The curtain is slowly being pulled back...


Panic? We're one step away from lighting cigars and drinking some brandy. What are you on about?
 
2012-09-19 12:36:12 PM

NuttierThanEver: This will not hurt him with his base at all.


It hurts Romney because this is yet one more week where the news is dominated by Obama looking presidential with the mid-east riots and Romney talking about stupid shiat. Romney is behind in the polls; he has ground to make up. To do that, Romney's team needs to do is get the news cycle to be about 1) the 'Obama Economy' and 2) what Romney will do to fix it. Obama's team is trolling Romney like champions and they have Romney chasing his tail.
 
2012-09-19 12:36:27 PM
"The problem with the American Dream is that we all look forward to the day when we become rich"

/West Wing quote for everything
//and everything a West Wing quote
 
2012-09-19 12:38:26 PM

jst3p: I find it interesting that for weeks the dialog as been only about Romney/Ryan and it is all negative.


Because Obama is pretty much running a rather boring, uneventful campaign? He is being as generic as possible (see his mundane DNC speech) and letting Mitt/Ryan do all the talking. And it is working rather spectacularly. mitt is getting all the (wrong) headlines and Obama stays out of them...and continually erodes Mitts support.

Romney is fighting himself...

Oh wait, lemme guess, libruhl media conspiracy? Kristol and Noonan are in on it too i suppose?
 
2012-09-19 12:39:34 PM

NuttierThanEver: Also deep in the heart many conservatives is the belief that someday soon they will be one of the rich and powerful and when that day comes dammit they are not gonna share shiat with nobody. Because what's the point of being rich if you cannot lord it over every one else?


Some folks don't have to be objectively well-off to be content, they just need to be better than everyone around them. People are like that, and it won't go away until a generation or two after we forcibly sterilize anyone with a positive view of Sarah Palin.
 
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