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(Mother Nature Network)   Call me old, but I remember back in the day when the scientists who wanted to work for NASA were the kind of people inspired by Wright brothers and JFK. Nowadays they're inspired by young dudes with Mohawks   (mnn.com) divider line 62
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2012-09-19 04:32:52 AM  
Important thing is that they want to.
 
2012-09-19 05:04:17 AM  
Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! As a guy who just turned 47 last week I am sick and tired of hearing middle aged people biatch and moan about how the kids today just don't know how to wear an onion in their belt.

Fashions change, technology changes, music changes, pop culture changes. The world is in a constant state of progress and if it weren't we wouldn't have had NASA in the first place. We'd be swinging our naked asses from the trees complaining about the australopithicines and their damned fool bipedal locomotion. Brachiation was good 'nuff fer me an' my father afore me.

Stop becoming the old people we used to make fun of.
 
2012-09-19 06:32:45 AM  
You old
 
2012-09-19 06:49:55 AM  

Ghastly: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! As a guy who just turned 47 last week I am sick and tired of hearing middle aged people biatch and moan about how the kids today just don't know how to wear an onion in their belt.

Fashions change, technology changes, music changes, pop culture changes. The world is in a constant state of progress and if it weren't we wouldn't have had NASA in the first place. We'd be swinging our naked asses from the trees complaining about the australopithicines and their damned fool bipedal locomotion. Brachiation was good 'nuff fer me an' my father afore me.

Stop becoming the old people we used to make fun of.


But I'm talk'n 'bout my generation!
 
2012-09-19 07:07:16 AM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Important thing is that they want to.


This. We should be happy for anything that inspires young people to pursue a career in science.
 
2012-09-19 07:07:48 AM  
I learned it by watching you!
 
2012-09-19 07:15:32 AM  
You're old.

Whatever gets young people interested in science is a good thing.


If it's a smart guy with a Mohawk, so be it.
 
2012-09-19 07:16:53 AM  
www.mnn.com

I am the son, and the heir, of a shyness that is criminally vulgar...


/don't know why that popped into my head, but there you go
 
2012-09-19 07:17:33 AM  

Ghastly: We'd be swinging our naked asses from the trees


fap fap fap fap fap fap fap...
 
2012-09-19 07:18:59 AM  
Back in the day everyone wore suits and ties to work, rock and roll was called "that negro music", and certain types of fold weren't allowed on golf courses. Oh boy, if only we could go back to those halcyon days!
 
2012-09-19 07:19:09 AM  

Ghastly: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! As a guy who just turned 47 last week I am sick and tired of hearing middle aged people biatch and moan about how the kids today just don't know how to wear an onion in their belt.


I wear a Mohawk *AND* sport some serious onions:

i41.tinypic.com

i39.tinypic.com

/Technically, unless you Bic it down to bare skin, it's a Fauxhawk.
 
2012-09-19 07:19:39 AM  
I think kids are always ready to participate in the future. The problem is showing them where the opportunities are.

During Apollo there were boatloads of engineers who knew next to nothing about space, but they gleefully threw themselves into the machine because it was a chance to do something exciting and new. There were also plenty of openings and a good paycheck to be found.
You don't have that as much now, and its because the people who keep scaling back on the vision mostly exist in the political realm.
No jobs means no scientists. You don't get scientists because politicos can buy votes cheaper from the unemployed.
They'll see to it that there are plenty of poor to bump their poll numbers.

Mohawk man isn't inspiring the right right folks.
 
2012-09-19 07:20:29 AM  
Is he stoned or crying?

Also, I believe that style of haircut is referred to as the "douchehawk".
 
2012-09-19 07:27:54 AM  
We ARE old. The world is changing, and nought we can do about it.

So vote Republican.
 
2012-09-19 07:34:05 AM  

MightyPez: Back in the day everyone wore suits and ties to work, rock and roll was called "that negro music", and certain types of fold weren't allowed on golf courses. Oh boy, if only we could go back to those halcyon days!


Voting for Romney, eh?
 
2012-09-19 07:35:16 AM  

Ghastly: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! As a guy who just turned 47 last week I am sick and tired of hearing middle aged people biatch and moan about how the kids today just don't know how to wear an onion in their belt.

Fashions change, technology changes, music changes, pop culture changes. The world is in a constant state of progress and if it weren't we wouldn't have had NASA in the first place. We'd be swinging our naked asses from the trees complaining about the australopithicines and their damned fool bipedal locomotion. Brachiation was good 'nuff fer me an' my father afore me.

Stop becoming the old people we used to make fun of.


SO MUCH THIS: I'm staring 50 square in the face and I refuse to turn into the cranky old man.
 
2012-09-19 07:52:57 AM  
I'll just leave this here: Link

/We're NASA and we know it...
 
2012-09-19 08:08:34 AM  
I want to work for NASA, and I am inspired by this guy:

upload.wikimedia.org

Wouldn't it be lovely? I could do analysis of some planet out there, put sensors on it and take readings from them. Then throw out all the data that I don't like, change all data that was not quite right to what I want it to be. I could invent new ways to represent the data that are maximally biased, cherry-pick a reference datum, use corroborating studies where the sample size n=1, and suggest that people who disagree with me should be charged with crimes against humanity.

Wouldn't it be grand?
 
2012-09-19 08:14:10 AM  
dittybopper, I agree..but the bic to skin thing is i close call...if you look close you can see "fuk" in the sideimg217.imageshack.us

...but the dude in question? half of a mullet does not a mohawk make
 
2012-09-19 08:15:41 AM  

dittybopper: Ghastly: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! As a guy who just turned 47 last week I am sick and tired of hearing middle aged people biatch and moan about how the kids today just don't know how to wear an onion in their belt.

I wear a Mohawk *AND* sport some serious onions:

[i41.tinypic.com image 850x723]

[i39.tinypic.com image 640x480]

/Technically, unless you Bic it down to bare skin, it's a Fauxhawk.


I don't see any onions...
 
2012-09-19 08:16:52 AM  
Really? Because I remember when the scientists at NASA were inspired by the Nazi leadership to build rockets to bombard innocent people in England, France, etc....

/Paging Dr. VonBraun...
 
2012-09-19 08:34:05 AM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Important thing is that they want to.


Done in one.
 
2012-09-19 08:37:02 AM  

Neondistraction: dittybopper: Ghastly: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! As a guy who just turned 47 last week I am sick and tired of hearing middle aged people biatch and moan about how the kids today just don't know how to wear an onion in their belt.

I wear a Mohawk *AND* sport some serious onions:

[i41.tinypic.com image 850x723]

[i39.tinypic.com image 640x480]

/Technically, unless you Bic it down to bare skin, it's a Fauxhawk.

I don't see any onions...


"Onions" are a metaphor for archaic style or equipment derived from The Simpsons episode where Grandpa Simpson is reminiscing about the old days*. I'm shooting a flintlock rifle, carrying a possibles bag with a powder horn, and wearing a shirt that hasn't been in style since the early 19th Century. Those are my metaphorical onions.

*"We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..."
 
2012-09-19 08:40:39 AM  

Ghastly: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! As a guy who just turned 47 last week I am sick and tired of hearing middle aged people biatch and moan about how the kids today just don't know how to wear an onion in their belt.

Fashions change, technology changes, music changes, pop culture changes. The world is in a constant state of progress and if it weren't we wouldn't have had NASA in the first place. We'd be swinging our naked asses from the trees complaining about the australopithicines and their damned fool bipedal locomotion. Brachiation was good 'nuff fer me an' my father afore me.

Stop becoming the old people we used to make fun of.


Thank you! As a (relatively) young person I'm constantly getting older people telling me about "kids these days", I try and correct them where I can but lots of people are just too stubborn.

Different isn't wrong, and your kids are growing up in a different world. Welcome to the future.
 
2012-09-19 08:45:57 AM  
I wonder how many people are taking the "as long as it gets them interested in science" side in this thread, and said hell no in the Will.i.am debut on Mars thread.

I say both are acceptable, but I just wanted to throw it out there.
 
2012-09-19 08:47:03 AM  

tallen702: Really? Because I remember when the scientists at NASA were inspired by the Nazi leadership to build rockets to bombard innocent people in England, France, etc....

/Paging Dr. VonBraun...


You should be paging Robert Goddard.
Americans were quite familiar with the idea of a liquid fueled rocket. Its the Germans that advanced the technology during the years when everyone else focused on fighting the war. The Allied nations grabbed German scientists knowing full well what they wanted from them.
Its why the missile gap with the Russians was a big deal.
We always saw rockets as weapons.

/Its a German that sold Kennedy on the idea of exploring the moon.
/Eisenhowers vision for space was a battlefield.
/Nuke propelled warships, planet wrecking rail guns, missile bases on the moon.
 
2012-09-19 08:48:54 AM  
Whoa a guy with a young person's haircut? Suddenly I want to do science. It was that easy!
 
2012-09-19 09:02:45 AM  

tallen702: Really? Because I remember when the scientists at NASA were inspired by the Nazi leadership to build rockets to bombard innocent people in England, France, etc....

/Paging Dr. VonBraun...


Wait: Werner von Braun was part of the Nazi leadership? That's news to me. For all his technical prowess, he was fairly low on the totem pole. He reported to General Walter Dornberger, himself a only a mere major general (equivalent to a brigadier general in US Army ranks). In essence, if he were military, his rank would have been at most that of a colonel.
 
2012-09-19 09:06:02 AM  

thecpt: I wonder how many people are taking the "as long as it gets them interested in science" side in this thread, and said hell no in the Will.i.am debut on Mars thread.

I say both are acceptable, but I just wanted to throw it out there.


Not a fan of Will or the BEP's, but agree completely. What ever it takes to get kids interested in science, art, history, music, anything. We need to encurage them to broaden their horizans.

/My kids enjoy to learn, of course they are young so we'll see what happens. But, if they do better then me, I'll be happy.
 
2012-09-19 09:07:39 AM  

way south: tallen702: Really? Because I remember when the scientists at NASA were inspired by the Nazi leadership to build rockets to bombard innocent people in England, France, etc....

/Paging Dr. VonBraun...

You should be paging Robert Goddard. Konstantin Tsiolkovskiy

He's the guy who came up with the idea of a liquid fueled rocket.
 
2012-09-19 09:13:41 AM  
FFS. That's kinda like saying I would prefer the latest generation of social activists to be inspired by the clean-cut young people who conducted marches and lunch counter sit-ins, but instead I got a bunch of people inspired by smelly hippies with drum circles and scraggly hair.
 
2012-09-19 09:19:32 AM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Important thing is that they want to.


In all honesty, after listening to all my professors (who were inspired by the Wright brothers and JFK to go and work at NASA), it made me realize how terrible it would be to work at NASA.
 
2012-09-19 09:23:15 AM  

theorellior: FFS. That's kinda like saying I would prefer the latest generation of social activists to be inspired by the clean-cut young people who conducted marches and lunch counter sit-ins, but instead I got a bunch of people inspired by smelly hippies with drum circles and scraggly hair.


Actually, wouldn't that be preferable?

The whole idea behind being an activist, and protesting things, is to get people to change their minds about a subject. Hippies (smelly or not) with drum circles and scraggly hair simply aren't as effective because most people aren't scraggly-haired hippies. They are relatively clean-cut, and they'd respond better to clean-cut protesters.

That's an entirely different sort of thing than picking a career, I might add.
 
2012-09-19 09:24:03 AM  

spcMike: In all honesty, after listening to all my professors (who were inspired by the Wright brothers and JFK to go and work at NASA), it made me realize how terrible it would be to work at NASA.


I had one of those professors, and I have to say its pretty inspirational to hear them talk about it. The same professor had us looking at science and tech from steam engine to modern day, and had us do a paper on the current state of NASA. what did they say that made you think it was terrible?

For true inspiration read (or listen to) Sex on the Moon. My copy was narrated by Casey Affleck.
 
2012-09-19 09:39:21 AM  

thecpt: what did they say that made you think it was terrible?


Well, for starters, my intro professor was deputy chief of NASA when the shuttles first launch and he showed us the detailed notes that explained how they knew from the first launch how the O ring in the fuel tank easily cracked and how the foam insulation would fall off the fuel tank and that these issues need to be corrected or people would die. But, there was no real push to solve these problems because the overarching political goals of NASA couldn't allow for a stall in the Shuttle program.

And just in general there, at least at the time, was a culture that pushed back against innovation and new ideas, mostly due to the aging senior engineers and their own thoughts on how things should be done. Which is part of why NASA still uses imperial units in its calculations instead of 100% Metric units .
It has gotten better, but I just have no desire to work there anymore.
 
2012-09-19 09:39:32 AM  
So the NASA Elvis guy is passe?
 
2012-09-19 09:45:58 AM  
Call me crazy, but I'm glad we live in a time where NASA hires brilliant scientists and engineers even if they have weird hair and aren't good conformists.

Your hairstyle has nothing to do with your ability to design robots and rockets.
 
2012-09-19 09:50:53 AM  
Hey, where's the Endeavor thread?

Ten minutes ago, Stennis Space Center, Bay St. Louis, Mississippi:
webpages.charter.net
 
2012-09-19 09:53:48 AM  

spcMike: But, there was no real push to solve these problems because the overarching political goals of NASA couldn't allow for a stall in the Shuttle program.


The argument the night before has been well documented and written about. You heard it from a pretty damn good source, but what I've read from multiple sources in the decision room the night before was that the engineers said no and spoke of the high probability of o-ring failure and that management said there was no way it wasn't going to happen.

I don't blame you for not wanting to work there anymore. It doesn't have the zeal it used to and up until the Mars Rover, it was more known for stupid failure and scandal in the last decade than anything else.
 
2012-09-19 09:59:40 AM  

almejita: dittybopper, I agree..but the bic to skin thing is i close call...if you look close you can see "fuk" in the side[img217.imageshack.us image 400x602]

...but the dude in question? half of a mullet does not a mohawk make


Is that Yahoo Serious?
 
2012-09-19 10:08:12 AM  

dittybopper: Neondistraction: dittybopper: Ghastly: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! As a guy who just turned 47 last week I am sick and tired of hearing middle aged people biatch and moan about how the kids today just don't know how to wear an onion in their belt.

I wear a Mohawk *AND* sport some serious onions:

[i41.tinypic.com image 850x723]

[i39.tinypic.com image 640x480]

/Technically, unless you Bic it down to bare skin, it's a Fauxhawk.

I don't see any onions...

"Onions" are a metaphor for archaic style or equipment derived from The Simpsons episode where Grandpa Simpson is reminiscing about the old days*. I'm shooting a flintlock rifle, carrying a possibles bag with a powder horn, and wearing a shirt that hasn't been in style since the early 19th Century. Those are my metaphorical onions.

*"We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..."


I know the reference, I was just being a smartass.
 
2012-09-19 10:14:32 AM  

Fano: almejita: dittybopper, I agree..but the bic to skin thing is i close call...if you look close you can see "fuk" in the side[img217.imageshack.us image 400x602]

...but the dude in question? half of a mullet does not a mohawk make

Is that Yahoo Serious?


Yes,Bhe'sEveryEserious.R AndAdon'tTcallOhimMa yahoo.
 
2012-09-19 10:24:05 AM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Important thing is that they want to.


THIS!
 
2012-09-19 10:24:40 AM  

dittybopper: He's the guy who came up with the idea of a liquid fueled rocket.


Yes, his theories are nice. He never so much as built a rocket, let alone had something like a filed patent on even a design for one. Unlike Goddard, he didn't spend decades doing research and development to actually make numerous designs, get laughed at by the bulk of the community for dreaming about reaching the moon one day, and lay the foundations for liquid oxygen + reactant fueled rockets which are in common use today.

Ideas are farking cheap.
 
2012-09-19 10:25:53 AM  

Ghastly: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! As a guy who just turned 47 last week I am sick and tired of hearing middle aged people biatch and moan about how the kids today just don't know how to wear an onion in their belt.

Fashions change, technology changes, music changes, pop culture changes. The world is in a constant state of progress and if it weren't we wouldn't have had NASA in the first place. We'd be swinging our naked asses from the trees complaining about the australopithicines and their damned fool bipedal locomotion. Brachiation was good 'nuff fer me an' my father afore me.

Stop becoming the old people we used to make fun of.


AND THIS!

I'm 44 and when we were young, older people were biatching about our fashions, our music, our technology, our pop culture.

/Stop the insanity!
 
2012-09-19 10:28:02 AM  
Style over substance.
 
2012-09-19 10:57:20 AM  

Bacontastesgood: dittybopper: He's the guy who came up with the idea of a liquid fueled rocket.

Yes, his theories are nice. He never so much as built a rocket, let alone had something like a filed patent on even a design for one. Unlike Goddard, he didn't spend decades doing research and development to actually make numerous designs, get laughed at by the bulk of the community for dreaming about reaching the moon one day, and lay the foundations for liquid oxygen + reactant fueled rockets which are in common use today.

Ideas are farking cheap.


Yes, because Gugliemo Marconi is more important to the history of radio than James Clerk Maxwell....

/It was Tsiolkovskiy who first proposed oxygen/hydrogen fueled rockets.
 
2012-09-19 11:02:56 AM  
"More people probably watched the YouTube videos and connected to 'Mohawk Guy' than connected with the [Curiosity] landing itself," said Charles Elachi, director of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

The only reason those people watched those videos was so that they could comment on them about all these mysterious old people who bash kids with Mohawks. Just like everyone in this thread.

Let's keep talking about this f)cking Mohawk dude, guys.

Anyone know if he uses gel or hairspray?
 
2012-09-19 11:23:43 AM  

fisker: "More people probably watched the YouTube videos and connected to 'Mohawk Guy' than connected with the [Curiosity] landing itself," said Charles Elachi, director of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

The only reason those people watched those videos was so that they could comment on them about all these mysterious old people who bash kids with Mohawks. Just like everyone in this thread.

Let's keep talking about this f)cking Mohawk dude, guys.

Anyone know if he uses gel or hairspray?


images.starpulse.com
 
2012-09-19 11:49:34 AM  

dittybopper: Bacontastesgood: dittybopper: He's the guy who came up with the idea of a liquid fueled rocket.

Yes, his theories are nice. He never so much as built a rocket, let alone had something like a filed patent on even a design for one. Unlike Goddard, he didn't spend decades doing research and development to actually make numerous designs, get laughed at by the bulk of the community for dreaming about reaching the moon one day, and lay the foundations for liquid oxygen + reactant fueled rockets which are in common use today.

Ideas are farking cheap.

Yes, because Gugliemo Marconi is more important to the history of radio than James Clerk Maxwell....

/It was Tsiolkovskiy who first proposed oxygen/hydrogen fueled rockets.


It was an impractical fuel choice for the time. Kerosene was much easier to come by and safer to store.

Tsiolkovsky was one of the first to look at the rocket (commonly known as a weapon) and think of it as a method of transportation.
But aside from alot of math he couldn't test, there isn't much to set him apart from Jules Verne.
Goddard demonstrated it could be done with the technology at hand.

Von Braun then made US rockets into a safe method of transport. He sold lunar missions to the right man at the right moment.
The point is We have to thank the Germans for our peacetime use of the rocket, because its military meaning was already quite evident.
 
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