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(Daily Kos)   Mitt Romney: This one time, at a factory in China with 120 girls to a bathroom   (dailykos.com) divider line 31
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2012-09-19 05:48:10 AM  
5 votes:

thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.


I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.
2012-09-19 07:19:20 AM  
3 votes:
I actually agree with him on this issue and he still comes off as a raging out of touch douche saying it.

My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive. The issue is there needs to be more assistance to help people that are displaced by this sort of movement find new work and help their families. I think outsourcing is better on the whole for the country and economy as it prevents legacy inefficiencies from lingering, but there are real losers at home when it happens and someone should be obligated to help them.

From the Chinese POV you cannot look at it with western preconceptions. The fact of the matter is the conditions are horrible but they are also a million times better than having to collectively farm every day. This is how the Chinese middle class is forming and it's not pretty. And the fact is unless Chinese factories can start producing things at world class quality (they will in some time, but that's still a ways away) they are going to have to compete on labor costs. And as harsh as it sounds and as repressive as the CCP is with regards to human rights, they do honestly seem to have the interests of the people in mind as far as Economic development goes.

I think it's a hard decision that cuts 55-45 in favor of outsourcing, but you really do have to accept that that 45% negative is there.
2012-09-19 06:13:50 AM  
3 votes:

heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.


This is exactly right. Republicans dream of a country where Americans live in dorm houses, forced to work 12 hours a day for little wages, and be thankful to their glorious masters for allowing them such an opportunity.

/this IS what Republicans actually believe
2012-09-19 05:57:34 AM  
3 votes:
What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.
2012-09-19 01:42:48 AM  
3 votes:
"Three bunk beds on top of each other. You've seen, you've seen them? (Oh...yeah, yeah!) And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in."

Telling a jovial room of fat-cats about his giddiness at seeing the sweatshop conditions that young (and likely younger than reported) women in China work in to make the small appliances that likely end up on Wal-Mart shelves for 9.99 (and break next week).

Who is this guy? None other than a major party candidate for leader of the free world.
2012-09-19 09:22:45 AM  
2 votes:

kab: Lupine Chemist: My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive

Like sit on an unemployment line, or become a WalMart cashier? Both are totally more productive.

This has never ever been about freeing up resources to make gainful employment in the US 'better'.


that whole idea is demonstrably completely wrong. Off shoring does not work that way.

for example I'm in Flint MI daily and there are entire blocks where factories once thrived that are leveled.
guess they're just freeing up that area for the packs of wild dogs. Thanks job creators!
kab
2012-09-19 09:17:05 AM  
2 votes:

Lupine Chemist: My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive


Like sit on an unemployment line, or become a WalMart cashier? Both are totally more productive.

This has never ever been about freeing up resources to make gainful employment in the US 'better'.
2012-09-19 07:42:59 AM  
2 votes:
I have absolutely no doubt that Mitt Romney and others like him would LOVE it if the American people were as desperate for work as the Chinese women at that factory. None whatsoever. And since Reagan was elected, they've managed to drag us pretty far in that direction.
2012-09-19 06:37:47 AM  
2 votes:
Come on, they're just young girls waiting to get married. Not like they matter. Once they're acquired by a job creator, they can have the private bathroom. They've earned it through appropriate use of their lady parts.
2012-09-19 06:10:51 AM  
2 votes:
heavymetal

What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.

PRECISELY.

And a lot of white southerners are HAPPY to go along with it so that black folks will "keep their place."
2012-09-19 02:33:24 AM  
2 votes:
Saddest thing? Tens of millions of the populace will still vote for the guy.

/this nation is so farking dumb. so farking dumb.
2012-09-19 02:31:25 AM  
2 votes:
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2012-09-19 12:30:09 PM  
1 votes:

Bigdogdaddy: THE GREAT NAME: 120 Chinese girls in a bathroom=hot. Romney=not.


I guess you guys have never been inside a public woman's bathroom? Talk about nasty......(I know because I work electrical maintenance)...you know...work on the lights and things...yeah...that's it


Actually, this surprised me significantly also. When I was 20 I was working at a resort and was initially hired for a housekeeping position. On occasion due to the female teammate being out sick I would have to clean some of the female restrooms. While guys are just inherently dirty women sure put on a show of being clean unless it is a bathroom. Bloody tampons strewn all over the place often times on the opposite side of their little trash can. Sometimes they would be stuck to a wall etc. It was absolutely filthy.
2012-09-19 11:25:53 AM  
1 votes:
Big Business has the same secret reaction when they look at China's social/business model that Evangelicals have when they look at Fundamentalist Islamic run countries:

Drool.
2012-09-19 09:59:42 AM  
1 votes:

Lupine Chemist: I actually agree with him on this issue and he still comes off as a raging out of touch douche saying it.

My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive. The issue is there needs to be more assistance to help people that are displaced by this sort of movement find new work and help their families. I think outsourcing is better on the whole for the country and economy as it prevents legacy inefficiencies from lingering, but there are real losers at home when it happens and someone should be obligated to help them.

From the Chinese POV you cannot look at it with western preconceptions. The fact of the matter is the conditions are horrible but they are also a million times better than having to collectively farm every day. This is how the Chinese middle class is forming and it's not pretty. And the fact is unless Chinese factories can start producing things at world class quality (they will in some time, but that's still a ways away) they are going to have to compete on labor costs. And as harsh as it sounds and as repressive as the CCP is with regards to human rights, they do honestly seem to have the interests of the people in mind as far as Economic development goes.

I think it's a hard decision that cuts 55-45 in favor of outsourcing, but you really do have to accept that that 45% negative is there.


Okay, fair enough as far as it goes, but this isn't about Chinese working conditions. This is about Americans' perception of Mitt Romney's behavior and attitudes. Sure, one can argue that it's "more efficient" to move jobs overseas, but that still leaves Americans unemployed. The same would-be President then complains to his cronies that those suddenly unemployed Americans are whining about an entitlement attitude and expectations the gov't will take care of them.

Does Mr Romney REALLY not see the connection between actions like his and the consequences of those actions? Or is he a sociopath who just doesn't give a fark?

Maybe the election will wake him up. I can dream, can't I?
2012-09-19 09:30:42 AM  
1 votes:

unexplained bacon: kab: Lupine Chemist: My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive

Like sit on an unemployment line, or become a WalMart cashier? Both are totally more productive.

This has never ever been about freeing up resources to make gainful employment in the US 'better'.

that whole idea is demonstrably completely wrong. Off shoring does not work that way.

for example I'm in Flint MI daily and there are entire blocks where factories once thrived that are leveled.
guess they're just freeing up that area for the packs of wild dogs. Thanks job creators!


www.vistaprint.com
2012-09-19 09:24:30 AM  
1 votes:

Eapoe6: How many people to a bathroom in a corporate headquarters? Remember to count all those peeing visitors clogging up the conference rooms.


Yeah, I don't doubt that conditions are deplorable but I have no basis upon which to compare "120" as being large or small. "Bathroom" doesn't tell you how many stalls there are, either. And besides a comparison to corporations in America, I'd like to know how it compares to other public and private bathrooms in China, not just the USA. The worst bathroom I've ever seen in my life was at a train station in Nanjing. We're talking turn around and try to forget what you just saw, bad.

I'd need to know stalls, actual frequency of use, cleanliness, etc. The 120 number all by itself isn't that useful.
2012-09-19 09:13:23 AM  
1 votes:
now you see why Mitt and his ilk want to do away with bothersome regulations?

I bet little Mitt perked right up when he got a look at how they dispose of their garbage in the river out back.
2012-09-19 08:35:34 AM  
1 votes:
So, did he buy the sweatshop or not?
2012-09-19 08:34:42 AM  
1 votes:

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.

Be afraid.

A few months ago some Apple exec was giving an interview and talked about manufacturing iPhones in China. The anecdote he gave was that before the latest iPhone release there was a last minute design change to some component. They sent the change to their manufacturers, at something like 3am in China. The factory operators immediately woke up several thousand laborers in the company dorms, took them to their work benches with the new instructions and set them to making phones. Within a day or so they we're churning out thousands of phones a day.

The exec was thrilled with the speed and flexibility of the workforce and (IIRC) bemoaned that you just couldn't do that in the US.

/posted from my iPhone.


That exec was Steve Jobs, but he gave that interview a couple years ago.

He was all giddy about it too... Maybe too giddy about it
2012-09-19 08:13:05 AM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.


Be afraid.

A few months ago some Apple exec was giving an interview and talked about manufacturing iPhones in China. The anecdote he gave was that before the latest iPhone release there was a last minute design change to some component. They sent the change to their manufacturers, at something like 3am in China. The factory operators immediately woke up several thousand laborers in the company dorms, took them to their work benches with the new instructions and set them to making phones. Within a day or so they we're churning out thousands of phones a day.

The exec was thrilled with the speed and flexibility of the workforce and (IIRC) bemoaned that you just couldn't do that in the US.

/posted from my iPhone.
2012-09-19 07:39:08 AM  
1 votes:
i.usatoday.net

When I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there.

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WTF bro, why didn't you buy that plant in Janesville?

www.unitedliberty.org

Those people are overpaid deadbeats, Paul. They just want free stuff.

assets.rollingstone.com

LOL, good point! So anyway, Chinese women's bathroom eh? Is it true that theirs is horizontal, and not vertical?
2012-09-19 07:37:31 AM  
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: Eliminating our manufacturing base does not make us more effiicient.


America is right about tied for worlds largest manufacturer. It's just that it's much more high value-added goods. American manufacturing is strong and getting stronger, it`s just not as labor intensive. But that's an internal question within a country of how to ensure wealth distribution happens, which I am also for.
2012-09-19 07:27:29 AM  
1 votes:

Lupine Chemist: I think it's a hard decision that cuts 55-45 in favor of outsourcing, but you really do have to accept that that 45% negative is there.


It's one of those things where if just a few people do it, then they make out like bandits, but if everyone does it, the whole system collapses. I disagree with you about the 55-45.
2012-09-19 07:27:07 AM  
1 votes:

Lupine Chemist: I actually agree with him on this issue and he still comes off as a raging out of touch douche saying it.

My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive. The issue is there needs to be more assistance to help people that are displaced by this sort of movement find new work and help their families. I think outsourcing is better on the whole for the country and economy as it prevents legacy inefficiencies from lingering, but there are real losers at home when it happens and someone should be obligated to help them.

From the Chinese POV you cannot look at it with western preconceptions. The fact of the matter is the conditions are horrible but they are also a million times better than having to collectively farm every day. This is how the Chinese middle class is forming and it's not pretty. And the fact is unless Chinese factories can start producing things at world class quality (they will in some time, but that's still a ways away) they are going to have to compete on labor costs. And as harsh as it sounds and as repressive as the CCP is with regards to human rights, they do honestly seem to have the interests of the people in mind as far as Economic development goes.

I think it's a hard decision that cuts 55-45 in favor of outsourcing, but you really do have to accept that that 45% negative is there.


Eliminating our manufacturing base does not make us more effiicient.
2012-09-19 06:32:02 AM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.


It's an old bullshiat story that has been going around forever.

But the way he tells it implies that he's a naive twit and/or he thinks his audience is stupid. 'Oh, yes, the guard towers. They're because...erm...so many people try to break in...to...work here. Yes, that's it.'

/"See, those girls aren't rich like our poor people, who have their own toilets and refrigerators and such; that's the kind of poor people we need in this country, and that's the kind of poor people I will create as President. Thank you."
2012-09-19 06:27:48 AM  
1 votes:

digistil: FWIW, I think I figured out the GOP strategy this morning.

 

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2012-09-19 06:19:42 AM  
1 votes:
Guard towers and barbed wire: the path to breaking government dependence.
2012-09-19 06:14:41 AM  
1 votes:

SuperTramp: And a lot of white southerners are HAPPY to go along with it so that black folks will "keep their place."


The ironic thing being that it is the white southern workers who will be taken advantage of the most if this comes to pass.
2012-09-19 02:18:35 AM  
1 votes:
It's pretty sad when the greatest country in history can't produce a factory with 120 girls to a bathroom worth buying. This is Obama's America libtards.
2012-09-19 02:02:35 AM  
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Three bunk beds on top of each other. You've seen, you've seen them? (Oh...yeah, yeah!) And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in."

Telling a jovial room of fat-cats about his giddiness at seeing the sweatshop conditions that young (and likely younger than reported) women in China work in to make the small appliances that likely end up on Wal-Mart shelves for 9.99 (and break next week).

Who is this guy? None other than a major party candidate for leader of the free world.


And possibly the biggest misanthropic asshole in North America.
 
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