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(Daily Kos)   Mitt Romney: This one time, at a factory in China with 120 girls to a bathroom   (dailykos.com) divider line 159
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2012-09-19 01:42:48 AM
"Three bunk beds on top of each other. You've seen, you've seen them? (Oh...yeah, yeah!) And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in."

Telling a jovial room of fat-cats about his giddiness at seeing the sweatshop conditions that young (and likely younger than reported) women in China work in to make the small appliances that likely end up on Wal-Mart shelves for 9.99 (and break next week).

Who is this guy? None other than a major party candidate for leader of the free world.
 
2012-09-19 02:02:35 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Three bunk beds on top of each other. You've seen, you've seen them? (Oh...yeah, yeah!) And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in."

Telling a jovial room of fat-cats about his giddiness at seeing the sweatshop conditions that young (and likely younger than reported) women in China work in to make the small appliances that likely end up on Wal-Mart shelves for 9.99 (and break next week).

Who is this guy? None other than a major party candidate for leader of the free world.


And possibly the biggest misanthropic asshole in North America.
 
2012-09-19 02:09:01 AM
I know it's still 50 days away but is this guy still considered electable? It seems like the Obama campaign can just let Mitt do all the work for them.
 
2012-09-19 02:18:35 AM
It's pretty sad when the greatest country in history can't produce a factory with 120 girls to a bathroom worth buying. This is Obama's America libtards.
 
2012-09-19 02:31:25 AM
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-09-19 02:33:24 AM
Saddest thing? Tens of millions of the populace will still vote for the guy.

/this nation is so farking dumb. so farking dumb.
 
2012-09-19 02:37:34 AM

robsul82: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 543x415]


Man, I see "Brilliant!" written all over that picture.
 
2012-09-19 03:42:48 AM

Relatively Obscure: robsul82: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 543x415]

Man, I see "Brilliant!" written all over that picture.


I see "Sort of want".
 
2012-09-19 05:05:33 AM
120 Chinese girls in a bathroom=hot. Romney=not.
 
2012-09-19 05:10:11 AM
120 girls, 1 cup

/igotnuthin
 
2012-09-19 05:11:40 AM

THE GREAT NAME: 120 Chinese girls in a bathroom=hot. Romney=not.



I guess you guys have never been inside a public woman's bathroom? Talk about nasty......(I know because I work electrical maintenance)...you know...work on the lights and things...yeah...that's it
 
2012-09-19 05:15:27 AM
Bet when Romneybot's number crunching program finished factoring in all the hours those girls worked at that pittance of a wage under those cheap abysmal conditions he did his best Randy Marsh creme fraiche impression.

China needs a general strike.
 
2012-09-19 05:25:12 AM
The only explanation for Romney saying such utterly ridiculous things on such a frequent basis is that he must be constantly high off his ass.
 
2012-09-19 05:28:56 AM
GranoblasticMan
The only explanation for Romney saying such utterly ridiculous things on such a frequent basis is that he must be constantly high off his ass.

...from the smell of money, no doubt.
 
2012-09-19 05:37:14 AM
Those girls wanted to be there by golly. We could all learn from these girls' can-do positivity.
 
2012-09-19 05:42:09 AM
What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.
 
2012-09-19 05:43:23 AM
Pete??
 
2012-09-19 05:46:08 AM
giggity
 
2012-09-19 05:48:10 AM

thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.


I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.
 
2012-09-19 05:51:34 AM

SuperTramp: GranoblasticMan
The only explanation for Romney saying such utterly ridiculous things on such a frequent basis is that he must be constantly high off his ass.

...from the smell of money, no doubt.


The man makes enough money each day to live comfortably the rest of his life. He's awesome and he knows it.

I'd get him elected if he traded me his worldly wealth.
 
2012-09-19 05:56:40 AM
"constantly high off his ass"

I should have said, "from huffing the smell of all his money"
 
2012-09-19 05:56:51 AM

Confabulat: I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.


I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if Romney had experienced something similar to what he claimed, either. Think of it (and at least the past two weeks, if not the entire campaign) as his "corkscrew landing" moment, but in the fabricated story he actually plays a bigger asshole than in the real story.
 
2012-09-19 05:57:34 AM
What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.
 
2012-09-19 06:10:51 AM
heavymetal

What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.

PRECISELY.

And a lot of white southerners are HAPPY to go along with it so that black folks will "keep their place."
 
2012-09-19 06:13:27 AM

thamike: the fabricated story he actually plays a bigger asshole than in the real story.


static5.businessinsider.com
"Jeez, I said I misspoke! Oh, wait, is this one of Romney's? Never mind."
 
2012-09-19 06:13:50 AM

heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.


This is exactly right. Republicans dream of a country where Americans live in dorm houses, forced to work 12 hours a day for little wages, and be thankful to their glorious masters for allowing them such an opportunity.

/this IS what Republicans actually believe
 
2012-09-19 06:14:41 AM

SuperTramp: And a lot of white southerners are HAPPY to go along with it so that black folks will "keep their place."


The ironic thing being that it is the white southern workers who will be taken advantage of the most if this comes to pass.
 
2012-09-19 06:19:42 AM
Guard towers and barbed wire: the path to breaking government dependence.
 
2012-09-19 06:21:56 AM

Kibbler: Guard towers and barbed wire: the path to breaking government dependence.


Are you kidding? You think they have private security manning those towers? What do you think the police are for?
 
2012-09-19 06:24:20 AM
FWIW, I think I figured out the GOP strategy this morning. Make normal people hate Republicans so much that they then embrace Republican ideal which shiat on the idiots of society, to give them what they keep asking for.
 
2012-09-19 06:26:25 AM
SuperTramp: And a lot of white southerners are HAPPY to go along with it so that black folks will "keep their place."

ox45tallboy: The ironic thing being that it is the white southern workers who will be taken advantage of the most if this comes to pass.

The real irony is that white southern workers have been taken advantage of like this for generations due to their antipathy toward unions (= black folks having a bigger piece of the pie.)
 
2012-09-19 06:27:19 AM

SuperTramp: "constantly high off his ass"

I should have said, "from huffing the smell of all his money"


He wouldn't give you the steam off his fresh shiat. He clings to what is "his' in the way that only a man who's never earned anything in his life can.
 
2012-09-19 06:27:48 AM

digistil: FWIW, I think I figured out the GOP strategy this morning.

 

therepublika.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-19 06:30:26 AM

SuperTramp: The real irony is that white southern workers have been taken advantage of like this for generations due to their antipathy toward unions (= black folks having a bigger piece of the pie.)


Which is why the auto industry said

i202.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-19 06:30:43 AM

Confabulat: heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.

This is exactly right. Republicans dream of a country where Americans live in dorm houses, forced to work 12 hours a day for little wages, and be thankful to their glorious masters for allowing them such an opportunity.

/this IS what Republicans actually believe


You move 16 Tons, and whaddaya get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
St. Peter don't you call me, cause I can't go,
I owe my soul to the Company Store.
 
2012-09-19 06:31:25 AM

ox45tallboy: Kibbler: Guard towers and barbed wire: the path to breaking government dependence.

Are you kidding? You think they have private security manning those towers? What do you think the police are for?


Just slap a 35% payroll tax Patriot Fee on the girls to pay for it. Also an extra 28% on stuff they buy with scrip at the company store.

Skin in the game, f*ck yeah!
 
2012-09-19 06:32:02 AM

Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.


It's an old bullshiat story that has been going around forever.

But the way he tells it implies that he's a naive twit and/or he thinks his audience is stupid. 'Oh, yes, the guard towers. They're because...erm...so many people try to break in...to...work here. Yes, that's it.'

/"See, those girls aren't rich like our poor people, who have their own toilets and refrigerators and such; that's the kind of poor people we need in this country, and that's the kind of poor people I will create as President. Thank you."
 
2012-09-19 06:36:45 AM

Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.


Well China IS a GOP utopia, Tea Party nirvana.
 
2012-09-19 06:37:47 AM
Come on, they're just young girls waiting to get married. Not like they matter. Once they're acquired by a job creator, they can have the private bathroom. They've earned it through appropriate use of their lady parts.
 
2012-09-19 06:41:49 AM

First, don't do a GIS for "Asian squat toilet" while you're eating.

Secondly, here is what these 120 girls share:

vivevivir.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-19 06:56:00 AM
Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks
 
2012-09-19 06:58:05 AM

gulogulo: Pete??


Yup.
 
2012-09-19 07:00:50 AM

foo monkey: gulogulo: Pete??

Yup.


shush we're on a roll....
 
2012-09-19 07:09:45 AM

T.M.S.: Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks


Can you verify the toilet pic I posted above? Is this the norm in any dormitory or public restrooms there?
 
2012-09-19 07:12:21 AM

ox45tallboy: First, don't do a GIS for "Asian squat toilet" while you're eating.

Secondly, here is what these 120 girls share:

[vivevivir.files.wordpress.com image 550x412]


Hey, they have toilet paper. That's better than making them use their hands....
 
2012-09-19 07:13:55 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Hey, they have toilet paper. That's better than making them use their hands....


WRONG!

cache.thisorth.at
 
2012-09-19 07:15:57 AM
God, there is just no bottom here, is there? A week before the election we're going to be getting tapes leaked from a Skull and Bones ritual where Mitt harvests the liver from a live orphan child, while Fox News hammers Obama for wearing vertical stripes with a plaid tie.
 
2012-09-19 07:16:50 AM
And they were all clones of each other.
 
2012-09-19 07:17:44 AM
www.aceshowbiz.com
 
2012-09-19 07:19:20 AM
I actually agree with him on this issue and he still comes off as a raging out of touch douche saying it.

My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive. The issue is there needs to be more assistance to help people that are displaced by this sort of movement find new work and help their families. I think outsourcing is better on the whole for the country and economy as it prevents legacy inefficiencies from lingering, but there are real losers at home when it happens and someone should be obligated to help them.

From the Chinese POV you cannot look at it with western preconceptions. The fact of the matter is the conditions are horrible but they are also a million times better than having to collectively farm every day. This is how the Chinese middle class is forming and it's not pretty. And the fact is unless Chinese factories can start producing things at world class quality (they will in some time, but that's still a ways away) they are going to have to compete on labor costs. And as harsh as it sounds and as repressive as the CCP is with regards to human rights, they do honestly seem to have the interests of the people in mind as far as Economic development goes.

I think it's a hard decision that cuts 55-45 in favor of outsourcing, but you really do have to accept that that 45% negative is there.
 
2012-09-19 07:22:00 AM

ox45tallboy: T.M.S.: Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks

Can you verify the toilet pic I posted above? Is this the norm in any dormitory or public restrooms there?


I fibbed a bit. Right now I am in the Philipines looking at places to outsource jobs. And most of the toilets here look fairly western. Next week is China and I will let you know.

I have seen that sort of thing in Malaysia and Korea but not nearly as filthy. They have them in Zanzabar too.
 
2012-09-19 07:25:32 AM

jayhawk88: God, there is just no bottom here, is there? A week before the election we're going to be getting tapes leaked from a Skull and Bones ritual where Mitt harvests the liver from a live orphan child,


abcnews.go.com
"That is NOT FAIR! They told me he had died of natural causes the night before, and the breathing was just involuntary muscle action!"
 

while Fox News hammers Obama for wearing vertical stripes with a plaid tie.

img2.etsystatic.com
"Beeyotch, I AM the plaid tie!"
 
2012-09-19 07:27:07 AM

Lupine Chemist: I actually agree with him on this issue and he still comes off as a raging out of touch douche saying it.

My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive. The issue is there needs to be more assistance to help people that are displaced by this sort of movement find new work and help their families. I think outsourcing is better on the whole for the country and economy as it prevents legacy inefficiencies from lingering, but there are real losers at home when it happens and someone should be obligated to help them.

From the Chinese POV you cannot look at it with western preconceptions. The fact of the matter is the conditions are horrible but they are also a million times better than having to collectively farm every day. This is how the Chinese middle class is forming and it's not pretty. And the fact is unless Chinese factories can start producing things at world class quality (they will in some time, but that's still a ways away) they are going to have to compete on labor costs. And as harsh as it sounds and as repressive as the CCP is with regards to human rights, they do honestly seem to have the interests of the people in mind as far as Economic development goes.

I think it's a hard decision that cuts 55-45 in favor of outsourcing, but you really do have to accept that that 45% negative is there.


Eliminating our manufacturing base does not make us more effiicient.
 
2012-09-19 07:27:29 AM

Lupine Chemist: I think it's a hard decision that cuts 55-45 in favor of outsourcing, but you really do have to accept that that 45% negative is there.


It's one of those things where if just a few people do it, then they make out like bandits, but if everyone does it, the whole system collapses. I disagree with you about the 55-45.
 
2012-09-19 07:28:25 AM

T.M.S.: I have seen that sort of thing in Malaysia and Korea but not nearly as filthy.


That was actually one of the cleanest ones I found on the GIS.
 
2012-09-19 07:33:09 AM

Relatively Obscure: robsul82: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 543x415]

Man, I see "Brilliant!" written all over that picture.


Indeed. Like over his right shoulder.
 
2012-09-19 07:33:56 AM
I wish I owned stock in the company that makes the campaign staff's favorite liquor. I might be rich enough by now to think Romney made sense.
 
2012-09-19 07:37:31 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Eliminating our manufacturing base does not make us more effiicient.


America is right about tied for worlds largest manufacturer. It's just that it's much more high value-added goods. American manufacturing is strong and getting stronger, it`s just not as labor intensive. But that's an internal question within a country of how to ensure wealth distribution happens, which I am also for.
 
2012-09-19 07:39:08 AM
i.usatoday.net

When I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there.

img.photobucket.com

WTF bro, why didn't you buy that plant in Janesville?

www.unitedliberty.org

Those people are overpaid deadbeats, Paul. They just want free stuff.

assets.rollingstone.com

LOL, good point! So anyway, Chinese women's bathroom eh? Is it true that theirs is horizontal, and not vertical?
 
2012-09-19 07:42:42 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I wish I owned stock in the company that makes the campaign staff's favorite liquor. I might be rich enough by now to think Romney made sense.


s.wsj.net
"It's called Mr. Boston. But look, we all know by now it's just something else to put on the resume so we get picked by the next guy in four years, so what the hell, right?"
 
2012-09-19 07:42:59 AM
I have absolutely no doubt that Mitt Romney and others like him would LOVE it if the American people were as desperate for work as the Chinese women at that factory. None whatsoever. And since Reagan was elected, they've managed to drag us pretty far in that direction.
 
2012-09-19 07:43:02 AM
So, we got Daily KOS--a site notorious for being liberal--claiming there are factory workers in Illinois asking Romney to stop Bain from offshoring their jobs. The article links to a Salon article as a citation...that doesn't exist anymore.

While I'm inclined to believe that Romney ships/shipped jobs overseas, I absolutely HATE it when there's no good citation. Makes me wonder if there's more to this story than just what Daily KOS is claiming.


Never mind. They also cite Reuters, which actually has an article there.
 
2012-09-19 07:44:13 AM

jayhawk88: while Fox News hammers Obama for wearing vertical stripes with a plaid tie.


Fox News has gone plaid a LONG time ago.

/LUDICROUS SPEED! GO!
 
2012-09-19 07:48:30 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Relatively Obscure: robsul82: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 543x415]

Man, I see "Brilliant!" written all over that picture.

I see "Sort of want".


I definitely do NOT "sort of want" a Guinness right now.

/REALLY REALLY WANT
//YES, I KNOW IT'S NOT EVEN 8 AM YET, DON'T JUDGE ME!!!!1
 
2012-09-19 07:49:29 AM

ox45tallboy: T.M.S.: Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks

Can you verify the toilet pic I posted above? Is this the norm in any dormitory or public restrooms there?


Yes almost all toilets in public places are as posted there. The only western toilets you will find are in handicapped stalls or western establishments.

/was in Beijing last March
 
2012-09-19 08:01:07 AM

T.M.S.: I fibbed a bit. Right now I am in the Philipines looking at places to outsource jobs. And most of the toilets here look fairly western. Next week is China and I will let you know.

I have seen that sort of thing in Malaysia and Korea but not nearly as filthy. They have them in Zanzabar too.


I live in the Philippines right now and I've never seen a squat toilet here, but then, this country is a wacky mix of cultures, none of which are what Americans think of as "Asian".

They do have squat toilets in the airport in Taipei, however.

ox45tallboy: That was actually one of the cleanest ones I found on the GIS.


That's a hell of a lot cleaner and nicer than some of the toilets I've used in Italy. In a lot of small towns there, all you get is a smelly hole in the piss-covered floor. If you're lucky, someone will have painted footprints so you have an idea of where to stand. Then you have to figure out how to drop trou in such a way that no part of your clothing touches the floor.
 
2012-09-19 08:02:13 AM
Irrelevant, but squat toilets are not a sign of squalor, they are the traditional form in much of the world and in fact medically much superior. people from those regions find seat toilets revolting and hard to use.

Of course in many places they are often disgustingly filthy and generally vile but thats another issue. Egypt, I mean wtf is wrong with you Egypt.
 
2012-09-19 08:04:06 AM

ox45tallboy: vivevivir.files.wordpress.com


Also, those toilets may look primitive to Americans, but as I understand it, they're built that way because it's actually physically healthier for you to squat to do your business. Not that I've ever used one, but... just sayin'.
 
2012-09-19 08:04:25 AM
Yup. This is a repeat of a LiveLeak video from a while back. Same dinner, same video. But hey, it's news now that it has been washed through the MSM.
 
2012-09-19 08:06:55 AM
When I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there. It employed about 20,000 people. And they were almost all young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married.

And they work in these huge factories, they made various uh, small appliances. And uh, as we were walking through this facility, seeing them work, the number of hours they worked per day, the pittance they earned, living in dormitories with uh, with little bathrooms at the end of maybe 10, 10 room, rooms. And the rooms they have 12 girls per room.

Three bunk beds on top of each other. You've seen, you've seen them? (Oh...yeah, yeah!) And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in.


And I said, "No, no! This is great! I wish we'd thought of this back home!"
 
2012-09-19 08:07:26 AM

Z-clipped: Also, those toilets may look primitive to Americans, but as I understand it, they're built that way because it's actually physically healthier for you to squat to do your business. Not that I've ever used one, but... just sayin'.


4.bp.blogspot.com
"Ewww-hoooooooo!"
 
2012-09-19 08:07:38 AM
Why do I get the feeling that these are the types of jobs (and conditions) Romney wants for America? Why?
 
2012-09-19 08:10:22 AM

DeaH: Why do I get the feeling that these are the types of jobs (and conditions) Romney wants for America? Why?


It's good enough for the Chinese, so why not? And they don't even have socialized medicine like the damned Japs!
 
2012-09-19 08:13:05 AM

Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.


Be afraid.

A few months ago some Apple exec was giving an interview and talked about manufacturing iPhones in China. The anecdote he gave was that before the latest iPhone release there was a last minute design change to some component. They sent the change to their manufacturers, at something like 3am in China. The factory operators immediately woke up several thousand laborers in the company dorms, took them to their work benches with the new instructions and set them to making phones. Within a day or so they we're churning out thousands of phones a day.

The exec was thrilled with the speed and flexibility of the workforce and (IIRC) bemoaned that you just couldn't do that in the US.

/posted from my iPhone.
 
2012-09-19 08:13:41 AM

DeaH: Why do I get the feeling that these are the types of jobs (and conditions) Romney wants for America? Why?


You think Romney wants jobs for Americans?
 
2012-09-19 08:17:32 AM
Romney's plan for the 47%...
 
2012-09-19 08:20:25 AM
Old news is so exciting!

This was posted all the way back in May, but it's encouraging to see the full video and have it get attention.
 
2012-09-19 08:23:11 AM

one small post for man: You think Romney wants jobs for Americans?


Yes, as long as those jobs are under the same conditions as the Chinese workers have.
 
2012-09-19 08:28:58 AM

gaspode: Irrelevant, but squat toilets are not a sign of squalor, they are the traditional form in much of the world and in fact medically much superior. people from those regions find seat toilets revolting and hard to use.

Of course in many places they are often disgustingly filthy and generally vile but thats another issue. Egypt, I mean wtf is wrong with you Egypt.


iirc, it doesn't obstruct the bowels if your squatting compared to sitting.
 
2012-09-19 08:29:34 AM
To be fair, all I see there is Romney describing what he saw - it doesn't say he approved. The next part of the story could be that he was horrified at the conditions and immediately pulled out of the deal. Though I'd be pleasantly surprised if that was the case.
 
2012-09-19 08:34:42 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.

Be afraid.

A few months ago some Apple exec was giving an interview and talked about manufacturing iPhones in China. The anecdote he gave was that before the latest iPhone release there was a last minute design change to some component. They sent the change to their manufacturers, at something like 3am in China. The factory operators immediately woke up several thousand laborers in the company dorms, took them to their work benches with the new instructions and set them to making phones. Within a day or so they we're churning out thousands of phones a day.

The exec was thrilled with the speed and flexibility of the workforce and (IIRC) bemoaned that you just couldn't do that in the US.

/posted from my iPhone.


That exec was Steve Jobs, but he gave that interview a couple years ago.

He was all giddy about it too... Maybe too giddy about it
 
2012-09-19 08:35:34 AM
So, did he buy the sweatshop or not?
 
2012-09-19 08:38:30 AM

Wyalt Derp: The next part of the story could be that he was horrified at the conditions and immediately pulled out of the deal.


Then he mounted his trusty unicorn steed and strode across the cosmos on a peppermint-scented fart all the way to Kolob to commune with the one true God.
 
2012-09-19 08:38:57 AM

ox45tallboy: one small post for man: You think Romney wants jobs for Americans?

Yes, as long as those jobs are under the same conditions as the Chinese workers have.


Ding!

And a Qupie Doll for the winner.
 
2012-09-19 08:39:54 AM

dantheman195:

That exec was Steve Jobs, but he gave that interview a couple years ago.

He was all giddy about it too... Maybe too giddy about it


I wonder if some said they wished him to get cancer and die slowly.
 
2012-09-19 08:43:12 AM
How many people to a bathroom in a corporate headquarters? Remember to count all those peeing visitors clogging up the conference rooms.

jayhawk88: God, there is just no bottom here, is there? A week before the election we're going to be getting tapes leaked from a Skull and Bones ritual where Mitt harvests the liver from a live orphan child, while Fox News hammers Obama for wearing vertical stripes with a plaid tie.


When an orphan child gives up a liver does that count as job creation? The victim is providing a service. I was just trying to steer things back to the Issues.
 
2012-09-19 08:47:10 AM

adamgreeney: And a Qupie Doll for the winner.


i30.photobucket.com


Those things freak me the f*ck out.
 
2012-09-19 08:48:23 AM
This was actually reported on FARK around 3-4 weeks ago before the full tape of that fundraiser became public.

It's funny to see the RW trolls excuses for what Romney said in retrospect.
 
2012-09-19 08:54:07 AM
So what was the point of his story? they presented it in a out of context kinda way...
 
2012-09-19 08:54:37 AM

heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.


Yep. Course, since my grandfather fought f--king hard, with his coworkers, to get those put many of those BASIC F--KING WORKER PROTECTION LAWS in place in the first place, to Mr. Romney, from the Land Where The Trees Are The Right Height

24.media.tumblr.com

Oh and I LOVE this:

And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in.

What, amorous boys or people so goddamn excited to work there that they'd sneak in? And you honestly believe this crap, Mitt?
 
2012-09-19 08:54:44 AM
This is the Republican dream for America
 
2012-09-19 08:55:40 AM

Karac: So, did he buy the sweatshop or not?


Jesus Christ, man, there's some things you just don't talk about in public!
 
2012-09-19 08:59:26 AM

Confabulat: I know it's still 50 days away but is this guy still considered electable? It seems like the Obama campaign can just let Mitt do all the work for them.


I remember a Time magazine article in August of 1972 titled 'Where is Nixon?' Seems Tricky Dick just layed low in the White House while McGovern stumbled around the country trying to undo the whole Eagleton affair.

Similar dynamic here.
 
2012-09-19 08:59:36 AM

xsive: ox45tallboy: T.M.S.: Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks

Can you verify the toilet pic I posted above? Is this the norm in any dormitory or public restrooms there?

Yes almost all toilets in public places are as posted there. The only western toilets you will find are in handicapped stalls or western establishments.

/was in Beijing last March


There is a reason this sign exists in airports that serve a large number of asian travelers

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-19 09:02:00 AM
If I had money, I'd start a Super PAC right now and simply send postcards with Romney quotes on them to undecided or leaning Romney. The people who haven't really been paying much attention other than TV news at best.

Just quotes. Black and white, with a reference at the bottom. Single postcards, cheap postage. You have to at least glance at it before you toss it.

That'd be enough to throw over some undecideds, even if they're still kind of uncomfortable with Obama or just worried about the economy and half bought into the "Mitt is a Businessman!" BS. And it might demoralize those who were leaning Romney to not even bother going to the polls.

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-09-19 09:05:27 AM

Lost Thought 00: There is a reason this sign exists in airports that serve a large number of asian travelers


First time I saw that in the Atlanta airport I thought to myself, "is this the sort of thing that is enough of a problem that someone actually designed and printed signs to address it?"
 
2012-09-19 09:06:42 AM
I hear from the audio that he thinks young girls penned in and living 12 to a room is just absolutely super. What I can't tell is what the point is. Is this what he's looking for in America? That can do spirit of indentured servitude? Why is he just so golly gee happy about near slavery conditions in a factory? This man is a farking monster.
 
2012-09-19 09:07:21 AM

Eapoe6: How many people to a bathroom in a corporate headquarters? Remember to count all those peeing visitors clogging up the conference rooms. .


How many bunks to a cube at corporate, you know, where the office drones live?
 
2012-09-19 09:08:14 AM

ps69: Why is he just so golly gee happy about near slavery conditions in a factory?


There are profits to be made. That's all that matters to Romney. Wealth is his only value.
 
2012-09-19 09:08:24 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Oh and I LOVE this:

And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in.

What, amorous boys or people so goddamn excited to work there that they'd sneak in? And you honestly believe this crap, Mitt?


Well, it makes sense considering the GOP wants to set up the same security on the Mexican border to prevent people from slaving away in our fields.
 
2012-09-19 09:08:56 AM

Z-clipped:
That's a hell of a lot cleaner and nicer than some of the toilets I've used in Italy. In a lot of small towns there, all you get is a smelly hole in the piss-covered floor. If you're lucky, someone will have painted footprints so you have an idea of where to stand. Then you have to figure out how to drop trou in such a way that no part of your clothing touches the floor.


Oh yeah, as a woman who once had to use a gas station toilet in middle-of-nowhere, Italy, I understand. It was almost as bad as camping in Egypt.
 
2012-09-19 09:09:14 AM

ps69: I hear from the audio that he thinks young girls penned in and living 12 to a room is just absolutely super. What I can't tell is what the point is. Is this what he's looking for in America? That can do spirit of indentured servitude? Why is he just so golly gee happy about near slavery conditions in a factory? This man is a farking monster.


Maybe he just had this sort of thing in mind:

hostedmedia.reimanpub.com
 
2012-09-19 09:10:56 AM
Mitt went to buy a slave labor camp in China, 'cause you just can't do that sort of thing in the US, ya know...
Mitt thought it was neat


the end.
 
2012-09-19 09:12:20 AM
Maybe he's thinking creatively about jobs for our veterans. They're used to communal living in hot conditions already, right?
 
2012-09-19 09:13:23 AM
now you see why Mitt and his ilk want to do away with bothersome regulations?

I bet little Mitt perked right up when he got a look at how they dispose of their garbage in the river out back.
 
kab
2012-09-19 09:17:05 AM

Lupine Chemist: My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive


Like sit on an unemployment line, or become a WalMart cashier? Both are totally more productive.

This has never ever been about freeing up resources to make gainful employment in the US 'better'.
 
2012-09-19 09:18:24 AM
2012 might be some sort of Republican test for the American public. They put out the worst candidate imaginable, who farks up all the time, with no real policies. Just 100% "Democrats bad!" All this just to see how many people will vote Republican no matter what.
 
2012-09-19 09:18:54 AM

jayhawk88: God, there is just no bottom here, is there? A week before the election we're going to be getting tapes leaked from a Skull and Bones ritual where Mitt harvests the liver from a live orphan child, while Fox News hammers Obama for wearing vertical stripes with a plaid tie.


Please, that man went to Harvard. Skull and Bones is a Yale thing. I bet Romney went A2M on a diseased bull during his days in Hasty Pudding.
 
2012-09-19 09:19:25 AM

ox45tallboy: Kibbler: Guard towers and barbed wire: the path to breaking government dependence.

Are you kidding? You think they have private security manning those towers? What do you think the police are for?


Nah, the cost of the security and barbed wire is taken out of the workers' salaries
 
2012-09-19 09:20:53 AM

dantheman195: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.

Be afraid.

A few months ago some Apple exec was giving an interview and talked about manufacturing iPhones in China. The anecdote he gave was that before the latest iPhone release there was a last minute design change to some component. They sent the change to their manufacturers, at something like 3am in China. The factory operators immediately woke up several thousand laborers in the company dorms, took them to their work benches with the new instructions and set them to making phones. Within a day or so they we're churning out thousands of phones a day.

The exec was thrilled with the speed and flexibility of the workforce and (IIRC) bemoaned that you just couldn't do that in the US.

/posted from my iPhone.

That exec was Steve Jobs, but he gave that interview a couple years ago.

He was all giddy about it too... Maybe too giddy about it


And then he got megacancer. Coincidence?
 
2012-09-19 09:21:31 AM

sprawl15: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Oh and I LOVE this:

And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in.

What, amorous boys or people so goddamn excited to work there that they'd sneak in? And you honestly believe this crap, Mitt?

Well, it makes sense considering the GOP wants to set up the same security on the Mexican border to prevent people from slaving away in our fields.


www.vistaprint.com
 
2012-09-19 09:22:45 AM

kab: Lupine Chemist: My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive

Like sit on an unemployment line, or become a WalMart cashier? Both are totally more productive.

This has never ever been about freeing up resources to make gainful employment in the US 'better'.


that whole idea is demonstrably completely wrong. Off shoring does not work that way.

for example I'm in Flint MI daily and there are entire blocks where factories once thrived that are leveled.
guess they're just freeing up that area for the packs of wild dogs. Thanks job creators!
 
2012-09-19 09:24:30 AM

Eapoe6: How many people to a bathroom in a corporate headquarters? Remember to count all those peeing visitors clogging up the conference rooms.


Yeah, I don't doubt that conditions are deplorable but I have no basis upon which to compare "120" as being large or small. "Bathroom" doesn't tell you how many stalls there are, either. And besides a comparison to corporations in America, I'd like to know how it compares to other public and private bathrooms in China, not just the USA. The worst bathroom I've ever seen in my life was at a train station in Nanjing. We're talking turn around and try to forget what you just saw, bad.

I'd need to know stalls, actual frequency of use, cleanliness, etc. The 120 number all by itself isn't that useful.
 
2012-09-19 09:30:19 AM

FuturePastNow: And then he got megacancer. Coincidence?


Actually, he got treatable cancer. The only reason he died from it was because he was an idiot about how he treated it.
 
2012-09-19 09:30:42 AM

unexplained bacon: kab: Lupine Chemist: My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive

Like sit on an unemployment line, or become a WalMart cashier? Both are totally more productive.

This has never ever been about freeing up resources to make gainful employment in the US 'better'.

that whole idea is demonstrably completely wrong. Off shoring does not work that way.

for example I'm in Flint MI daily and there are entire blocks where factories once thrived that are leveled.
guess they're just freeing up that area for the packs of wild dogs. Thanks job creators!


www.vistaprint.com
 
2012-09-19 09:32:47 AM

Lumpmoose: I'd need to know stalls, actual frequency of use, cleanliness, etc.


www.featurepics.com
 
2012-09-19 09:36:00 AM

ox45tallboy: T.M.S.: Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks

Can you verify the toilet pic I posted above? Is this the norm in any dormitory or public restrooms there?


More common in SE asia than what you are used to.
 
2012-09-19 09:36:51 AM

Lost Thought 00: xsive: ox45tallboy: T.M.S.: Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks

Can you verify the toilet pic I posted above? Is this the norm in any dormitory or public restrooms there?

Yes almost all toilets in public places are as posted there. The only western toilets you will find are in handicapped stalls or western establishments.

/was in Beijing last March

There is a reason this sign exists in airports that serve a large number of asian travelers


Hah! I forgot about that sign, I laughed pretty hard the first time I saw one
 
2012-09-19 09:37:30 AM
I dated a Chinese factory owner for a while. She had a lot in common with Mitt, poor people weren't human, they got what they deserved, etc. One of her purses cost more than she paid her workers a year. She was just looking for an American husband.
 
2012-09-19 09:37:40 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.

Be afraid.

A few months ago some Apple exec was giving an interview and talked about manufacturing iPhones in China. The anecdote he gave was that before the latest iPhone release there was a last minute design change to some component. They sent the change to their manufacturers, at something like 3am in China. The factory operators immediately woke up several thousand laborers in the company dorms, took them to their work benches with the new instructions and set them to making phones. Within a day or so they we're churning out thousands of phones a day.

The exec was thrilled with the speed and flexibility of the workforce and (IIRC) bemoaned that you just couldn't do that in the US.

/posted from my iPhone.


There is a scene in the book Shogun where the westerner hangs a goose he shot in his garden to age and gives orders it is not to be disturbed. After a while the goose starts to stink so the gardner removes it to preserve the harmony of the garden. He then reports to the local constabulary to have his head chopped off.

Although that is an extreme case and (hopefully) fictional I am always reminded of it when I work in many Asian countries. These people take whatever I say SEROUSLY. And sometimes their efforts to accomplish it appear afterward as absurd.

In the west I am just another jerkoff boss/ collaborator and the staff do their best to accomplish things within reason all the while humoring me so I feel like I am in charge. (Which is the arrangement I prefer.)

In Asia if I say something even off handed the shiat gets done immediately. No jive, what would be pretty much ignored unless I asked three times in the west gets done overnight the day I ask it. I come to work in the morning and there is a small army of workers just finishing up after pulling an all nighter. It's flattering but very alien to me and frankly sort of embarrassing. I don't actually expect to be taken seriously.

Z-clipped:

I live in the Philippines right now.....


Are you in Manila? Would you like to attend the opening night of the musical NINE this Friday night? It's at the Carlos P. Romuld Auditurum of RCBC Plaza and I have an extra ticket.
 
2012-09-19 09:39:21 AM

xsive: Hah! I forgot about that sign, I laughed pretty hard the first time I saw one


I'm just trying to wrap my head around what someone would look like attempting that.
 
2012-09-19 09:44:18 AM

Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.


I can picture him thinking it is a "nice" place (free from distractions, alcohol, drugs, rap) were poor can work hard for a little bit and quickly rise up in ranks.
 
2012-09-19 09:46:29 AM
Noticed FOX News is disabling comments on the newer Romney articles. Almost as if they are scared of this getting out.
 
2012-09-19 09:55:48 AM

jayhawk88: while Fox News hammers Obama for wearing vertical stripes with a plaid tie.


It's called "power clashing". And he does it because he can.
 
2012-09-19 09:59:42 AM

Lupine Chemist: I actually agree with him on this issue and he still comes off as a raging out of touch douche saying it.

My stance is that from the US POV it frees up resources that are currently being used stamping a metal plate in some factory to do something potentially more productive. The issue is there needs to be more assistance to help people that are displaced by this sort of movement find new work and help their families. I think outsourcing is better on the whole for the country and economy as it prevents legacy inefficiencies from lingering, but there are real losers at home when it happens and someone should be obligated to help them.

From the Chinese POV you cannot look at it with western preconceptions. The fact of the matter is the conditions are horrible but they are also a million times better than having to collectively farm every day. This is how the Chinese middle class is forming and it's not pretty. And the fact is unless Chinese factories can start producing things at world class quality (they will in some time, but that's still a ways away) they are going to have to compete on labor costs. And as harsh as it sounds and as repressive as the CCP is with regards to human rights, they do honestly seem to have the interests of the people in mind as far as Economic development goes.

I think it's a hard decision that cuts 55-45 in favor of outsourcing, but you really do have to accept that that 45% negative is there.


Okay, fair enough as far as it goes, but this isn't about Chinese working conditions. This is about Americans' perception of Mitt Romney's behavior and attitudes. Sure, one can argue that it's "more efficient" to move jobs overseas, but that still leaves Americans unemployed. The same would-be President then complains to his cronies that those suddenly unemployed Americans are whining about an entitlement attitude and expectations the gov't will take care of them.

Does Mr Romney REALLY not see the connection between actions like his and the consequences of those actions? Or is he a sociopath who just doesn't give a fark?

Maybe the election will wake him up. I can dream, can't I?
 
2012-09-19 10:03:29 AM

wingnut396: Eapoe6: How many people to a bathroom in a corporate headquarters? Remember to count all those peeing visitors clogging up the conference rooms. .

How many bunks to a cube at corporate, you know, where the office drones live?


They sleep sitting up with a tie wrapped around their necks. They are made to wear humiliating pleats on their pants. These poor creatures are bored to death from pretending their costly MBA somehow pertains to their job. Attending meetings and staring at PowerPoint is not work. It is torture! The muffins are sometimes nice...maybe a danish.
 
2012-09-19 10:06:46 AM
When I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there. It employed about 20,000 people. And they were almost all young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married.

And they work in these huge factories, they made various uh, small appliances. And uh, as we were walking through this facility, seeing them work, the number of hours they worked per day, the pittance they earned, living in dormitories with uh, with little bathrooms at the end of maybe 10, 10 room, rooms. And the rooms they have 12 girls per room.

Three bunk beds on top of each other. You've seen, you've seen them? (Oh...yeah, yeah!) And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in.


Because when I hear 'near sweatshop conditions' and 'mandatory on-location board' I think "I gotta get me some of that action"!

What a slimy waste of humanity.
 
2012-09-19 10:07:02 AM

Lumpmoose: Eapoe6: How many people to a bathroom in a corporate headquarters? Remember to count all those peeing visitors clogging up the conference rooms.

Yeah, I don't doubt that conditions are deplorable but I have no basis upon which to compare "120" as being large or small. "Bathroom" doesn't tell you how many stalls there are, either. And besides a comparison to corporations in America, I'd like to know how it compares to other public and private bathrooms in China, not just the USA. The worst bathroom I've ever seen in my life was at a train station in Nanjing. We're talking turn around and try to forget what you just saw, bad.

I'd need to know stalls, actual frequency of use, cleanliness, etc. The 120 number all by itself isn't that useful.


We don't even know if there is a White Castle nearby. There are all kinds of factors that have not been determined.
 
2012-09-19 10:10:08 AM

Alphax: Confabulat: heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.

This is exactly right. Republicans dream of a country where Americans live in dorm houses, forced to work 12 hours a day for little wages, and be thankful to their glorious masters for allowing them such an opportunity.

/this IS what Republicans actually believe

You move 16 Tons, and whaddaya get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
St. Peter don't you call me, cause I can't go,
I owe my soul to the Company Store.


This is the "America of Yesteryear" they want to go back to, not the time where a person could start at the bottom and work their way up. Labor is not considered an asset which builds wealth like Henry Ford did to people like Mitt, they are considered and expense which effects the bottom line. To people like Mitt Romney worker productivity is not to be rewarded, it is to be exploited for further profit.
 
2012-09-19 10:10:38 AM

Lost Thought 00: xsive: ox45tallboy: T.M.S.: Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks

Can you verify the toilet pic I posted above? Is this the norm in any dormitory or public restrooms there?

Yes almost all toilets in public places are as posted there. The only western toilets you will find are in handicapped stalls or western establishments.

/was in Beijing last March

There is a reason this sign exists in airports that serve a large number of asian travelers

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x311]


I had one of those robotic "toilets of the future" in a hotel room in Seoul once and not only did it have that sign it graphically illustrated the squatter breaking the seat, falling to the ground and smashing his head on the tile floor. It was all done as a weird sort of cartoon.
 
2012-09-19 10:14:32 AM

heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.


They're succeeding, to a degree, already. I know I'm not alone among employed Farkers who have had benefits cut and wages frozen while taking on more and more work. My CEO's attitude is exactly that: we should be grateful to have jobs.
 
2012-09-19 10:17:18 AM

ox45tallboy: First, don't do a GIS for "Asian squat toilet" while you're eating.

Secondly, here is what these 120 girls share:

[vivevivir.files.wordpress.com image 550x412]


I wouldn't mind them if they didn't stink.
 
2012-09-19 10:17:47 AM

I should be in the kitchen: heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.

They're succeeding, to a degree, already. I know I'm not alone among employed Farkers who have had benefits cut and wages frozen while taking on more and more work. My CEO's attitude is exactly that: we should be grateful to have jobs.


I'm in that boat with you.
 
2012-09-19 10:18:36 AM

I should be in the kitchen: heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.

They're succeeding, to a degree, already. I know I'm not alone among employed Farkers who have had benefits cut and wages frozen while taking on more and more work. My CEO's attitude is exactly that: we should be grateful to have jobs.


Be grateful that they so felicitously send voters to the Democratic party. The day we become a fully-fledged Euro-style social democracy draws ever nearer.

I for one welcome our Nancy Pelosi overlords.

/might be a hint of sarcasm there...
 
2012-09-19 10:18:47 AM

Confabulat: thamike: What's more is that he probably made up the whole story. He can't whine without insulting people, he can't brag without looking like a dingleberry. He barely makes an effort at vicarious experience. Mitt Romney is the alpha and omega of navelgazers.

I'd actually be more disturbed if he DIDN'T make up the whole story. Do rich powerful Americans often visit factories surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire and think, huh, THIS is what we're missing in the USA! Cause that is terrifying to consider.


It seems a little unbelievable that his factory tour would include the girls dormitory. Can you visualize that? Scary. But has others have pointed out, whether it's true or fabricated it's scary that he would remark on it.
 
2012-09-19 10:18:57 AM

T.M.S.: I had one of those robotic "toilets of the future" in a hotel room in Seoul once and not only did it have that sign it graphically illustrated the squatter breaking the seat, falling to the ground and smashing his head on the tile floor. It was all done as a weird sort of cartoon.


www.icbe.org
 
2012-09-19 10:24:14 AM

T.M.S.: Are you in Manila? Would you like to attend the opening night of the musical NINE this Friday night? It's at the Carlos P. Romuld Auditurum of RCBC Plaza and I have an extra ticket.


I'm not, I'm down in Visayas, and can't pick up and leave because I have a Physics exam that day. But holy crap, thanks for the offer- that's extremely kind of you. If you end up spending any length of time here, and you want to get away for a few days and go diving at a world heritage site, shoot me an email. I live about an hour or so from Apo island.
 
2012-09-19 10:25:26 AM

Epoch_Zero: I should be in the kitchen: heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.

They're succeeding, to a degree, already. I know I'm not alone among employed Farkers who have had benefits cut and wages frozen while taking on more and more work. My CEO's attitude is exactly that: we should be grateful to have jobs.

I'm in that boat with you.


When my dad got laid off, he was essentially doing 3 jobs for the salary of one. Because he was one of the last to get laid off, you see, but the work still had to be done.

They then hired him back as a f--king temp for half a year - hourly, of course, no benefits, etc., - because whoops, we need people who know what they're doing so we can shift this whole thing over to Mexico. Once that was done, he was gone again.

My dad has worked his ass off his entire life, pulled himself out of a very working class family in Detroit, got himself the best education in the state, and that was really horribly depressing to watch.

On the plus side, he's got a full time job again. A contractor to one of the Big 3 realized that outsourcing their product tracking and monitoring and forecasting and whatever else to India didn't work all that great. He's working like crazy to learn all of these new programs and such - but funny how a job with security, decent pay, and benefits on day 1 makes people *want to work*. Whenever I see him he's way happier than he ever was with former jerk company.
 
2012-09-19 10:30:55 AM

GranoblasticMan: The only explanation for Romney saying such utterly ridiculous things on such a frequent basis is that he must be constantly high off his ass.


Mormon Tea
 
2012-09-19 10:34:00 AM
Karac: So, did he buy the sweatshop or not?

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Jesus Christ, man, there's some things you just don't talk about in public!


Exactly. That's what "quiet rooms" are for.
 
2012-09-19 10:46:40 AM

ox45tallboy: T.M.S.: I have seen that sort of thing in Malaysia and Korea but not nearly as filthy.

That was actually one of the cleanest ones I found on the GIS.


Having been to China I will verify that indeed, that is one of the cleaner toilets available that isn't in an upscale hotel. Also, there is toilet paper but you usually have to buy your own and carry it around with you, and you aren't allowed to throw it in the toilet...that's what the garbage can next to the toilet is for. The stench is godawful.
 
2012-09-19 10:48:51 AM

ox45tallboy: First, don't do a GIS for "Asian squat toilet" while you're eating.

Secondly, here is what these 120 girls share:

[vivevivir.files.wordpress.com image 550x412]


My ex-wife is Korean and was adopted when she was five. For the first couple of weeks after arriving in the US, she would stand on the toilet seat to pee. Her mother tells this story any time adoption, bathrooms, or JFK airport comes up in a conversation.
 
2012-09-19 10:50:00 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: My dad has worked his ass off his entire life, pulled himself out of a very working class family in Detroit, got himself the best education in the state, and that was really horribly depressing to watch.

On the plus side, he's got a full time job again. A contractor to one of the Big 3 realized that outsourcing their product tracking and monitoring and forecasting and whatever else to India didn't work all that great. He's working like crazy to learn all of these new programs and such - but funny how a job with security, decent pay, and benefits on day 1 makes people *want to work*. Whenever I see him he's way happier than he ever was with former jerk company.


My dad died before seeing retirement, sadly. He was a high school teacher before having to change careers because he couldn't support us on a teacher's pay. He worked right up until his death this January knowing that there was a high likelihood he wouldn't get to retire for another decade or so. The prospect of Medicare eased this pressure, but not soon enough.

Right after he died we found out that the company he had worked for since 1983 had been bought out by a Bain-ish firm and bankrupted.
 
2012-09-19 10:51:17 AM
ALL THE GIRLS STANDING IN THE LINE FOR THE BATHROOM
 
2012-09-19 10:51:21 AM
I'm going to bash Republicans online with my iPhone and iPad.
 
2012-09-19 10:58:47 AM

Wyalt Derp: To be fair, all I see there is Romney describing what he saw - it doesn't say he approved. The next part of the story could be that he was horrified at the conditions and immediately pulled out of the deal. Though I'd be pleasantly surprised if that was the case.


This. I'll have to watch the video later to see if this is the case.

/pretty sure he's still an aloof sociopath
 
2012-09-19 11:05:27 AM

T.M.S.: Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks


So that's why you get paid the big bucks.
 
2012-09-19 11:21:17 AM

SuperTramp: heavymetal

What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.

PRECISELY.

And a lot of white southerners are HAPPY to go along with it so that black folks will "keep their place."


I was recently informed by a rural Tennessee TeaTard that liberals are forcing them to be racist. Yup! "We didn't have any problems down here, everyone was getting along just fine, everything was equal, until you people came along and basically invented racism where there wasn't none, just to make Obama look like a victim and blahblahblah... We had no choice! "
 
2012-09-19 11:25:53 AM
Big Business has the same secret reaction when they look at China's social/business model that Evangelicals have when they look at Fundamentalist Islamic run countries:

Drool.
 
2012-09-19 11:39:29 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: T.M.S.: Right now I am in China looking at potential venues to outsource American jobs.

/getting a kick etc.
//12 hour time difference sucks

So that's why you get paid the big bucks.


I wish. But unfortunately due to the economics of working in Asia almost everything I do here is for "the love of art". It's always a huge financial loss.

Still, it's an honor to be hosted by such fine countries.
 
2012-09-19 11:50:24 AM
1-Romney considers 200-250K 'middle class'.
2-Romney glows about taking jobs overseas.
3-Romney says that 47% feels 'entitled' to food, shelter and health care.

How does this not mean that Romney is only out for himself and the very wealthy.
 
2012-09-19 11:55:33 AM

Z-clipped: T.M.S.: Are you in Manila? Would you like to attend the opening night of the musical NINE this Friday night? It's at the Carlos P. Romuld Auditurum of RCBC Plaza and I have an extra ticket.

I'm not, I'm down in Visayas, and can't pick up and leave because I have a Physics exam that day. But holy crap, thanks for the offer- that's extremely kind of you. If you end up spending any length of time here, and you want to get away for a few days and go diving at a world heritage site, shoot me an email. I live about an hour or so from Apo island.


That is so kind of you to offer. The only diving I have done here was one day during the off season. And apropos of my earlier comment it was also strange to me. When I called the resort asking if it was possible to do a single two tank day they said "certainly Sir, we will be happy to accommodate you." When I arrived it turned out that the entire resort was shut down for the season. Yet they opened the entire place just for me.

Certainly that was because I was there to spend some money but I cannot imagine the little I payed them made it worth all that trouble. The staff was absurdly accommodating.

Good luck with your exams. And perhaps we can meet soon. I will be back here in a year or so with a Disney premiere and would love to have you as my guest.
 
2012-09-19 12:15:15 PM

Lumpmoose: Eapoe6: How many people to a bathroom in a corporate headquarters? Remember to count all those peeing visitors clogging up the conference rooms.

Yeah, I don't doubt that conditions are deplorable but I have no basis upon which to compare "120" as being large or small. "Bathroom" doesn't tell you how many stalls there are, either. And besides a comparison to corporations in America, I'd like to know how it compares to other public and private bathrooms in China, not just the USA. The worst bathroom I've ever seen in my life was at a train station in Nanjing. We're talking turn around and try to forget what you just saw, bad.

I'd need to know stalls, actual frequency of use, cleanliness, etc. The 120 number all by itself isn't that useful.


I clean bathrooms for a living, so let me tell you. One of any practically sized bathroom is not enough for 120 people to share.
 
2012-09-19 12:25:15 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Epoch_Zero: I should be in the kitchen: heavymetal: What is not brought up but part of the Republican narrative is that is how they want job conditions in the U.S. Why else do yo think they want to destroy organized labor and labor laws? They want to make the American worker so desperate they will accept a lower standard of living, less pay, and no benefits.

They're succeeding, to a degree, already. I know I'm not alone among employed Farkers who have had benefits cut and wages frozen while taking on more and more work. My CEO's attitude is exactly that: we should be grateful to have jobs.

I'm in that boat with you.

When my dad got laid off, he was essentially doing 3 jobs for the salary of one. Because he was one of the last to get laid off, you see, but the work still had to be done.

They then hired him back as a f--king temp for half a year - hourly, of course, no benefits, etc., - because whoops, we need people who know what they're doing so we can shift this whole thing over to Mexico. Once that was done, he was gone again.

My dad has worked his ass off his entire life, pulled himself out of a very working class family in Detroit, got himself the best education in the state, and that was really horribly depressing to watch.

On the plus side, he's got a full time job again. A contractor to one of the Big 3 realized that outsourcing their product tracking and monitoring and forecasting and whatever else to India didn't work all that great. He's working like crazy to learn all of these new programs and such - but funny how a job with security, decent pay, and benefits on day 1 makes people *want to work*. Whenever I see him he's way happier than he ever was with former jerk company.


Glad to hear things worked out in the end. It's horribly depressing when people who do everything "right"--work their asses off, get a good education, etc.--get screwed over through no fault of their own. It makes you feel completely powerless. It took my fiance nearly two years to get back to work permanently, in the industry he's worked in his entire adult life. He's been at his job for almost a year now and we're finally caught back up financially, actually doing pretty well (we live together and combine our finances) but I still feel anxious and find myself being almost miserly with my money since I'm afraid it could all go away in an instant.
 
2012-09-19 12:30:09 PM

Bigdogdaddy: THE GREAT NAME: 120 Chinese girls in a bathroom=hot. Romney=not.


I guess you guys have never been inside a public woman's bathroom? Talk about nasty......(I know because I work electrical maintenance)...you know...work on the lights and things...yeah...that's it


Actually, this surprised me significantly also. When I was 20 I was working at a resort and was initially hired for a housekeeping position. On occasion due to the female teammate being out sick I would have to clean some of the female restrooms. While guys are just inherently dirty women sure put on a show of being clean unless it is a bathroom. Bloody tampons strewn all over the place often times on the opposite side of their little trash can. Sometimes they would be stuck to a wall etc. It was absolutely filthy.
 
2012-09-19 12:36:34 PM
I lived in China in 5 years ago and I can say that that toilet is pretty standard.

//I have seen and been to some really rugged bathrooms in China.
 
2012-09-19 01:59:18 PM
His story does have a precedent. Those chained and locked doors at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory were there to keep out people who desperately wanted to get in to be burned alive.
 
2012-09-19 03:20:58 PM

T.M.S.: That is so kind of you to offer. The only diving I have done here was one day during the off season. And apropos of my earlier comment it was also strange to me. When I called the resort asking if it was possible to do a single two tank day they said "certainly Sir, we will be happy to accommodate you." When I arrived it turned out that the entire resort was shut down for the season. Yet they opened the entire place just for me.


Hey Mr. Salad man, would you kindly stop bumming me out with your awesome life? I'm trying to enjoy Romney's fark ups over here. ;)
 
2012-09-19 04:22:46 PM
I've never seen another living being I have so desperately wanted to punch in the face.

/He walks into a farking SWEAT SHOP and PRAISES IT?! Even if it's made up, holy farking shiat this man deserves a cockpunch.
 
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