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(BBC)   Due to the success of genetically modified crops, so-called "superweeds" have appeared and threaten to overrun U.S. farmlands. I, for one, welcome our new ragweed overlords   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 50
    More: Scary, genetically modified crops, U.S., farmland, Agent Orange, Tuvalu  
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2012-09-19 12:53:03 AM
Scientists say the solution to the widespread resistance problem is a new type of GM that uses a powerful weedkiller that was once part of Agent Orange, the defoliant widely used during the Vietnam war.

Sounds totally reasonable. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-09-19 12:57:17 AM
I wouldn't really say that this is due to the success of genetically modified crops. More due to the exclusive use of a particular type of modification. It's pretty much the same problem you can get from monoculture crops.
 
2012-09-19 01:11:54 AM
In before all the stoners start saying "Heh... superweed. It's like... weed, but super, man."
 
2012-09-19 01:54:14 AM
I wish someone would hurry up and carve up the ragweed genome so we can get booster spice.
 
2012-09-19 04:47:17 AM
Finally! An end to the unemployment problem.
 
2012-09-19 04:51:31 AM
Heh. Dad used to joke about Mom orgasming when she sneezed. Asked what she took for it, she'd reply "Ragweed and Black Pepper".

She hasn't sneezed in years without us all giggling.

/csb
 
2012-09-19 05:12:50 AM
Now we must train these super weeds to fight off the zombies.
 
2012-09-19 05:20:56 AM

phlegmmo: Scientists say the solution to the widespread resistance problem is a new type of GM that uses a powerful weedkiller that was once part of Agent Orange, the defoliant widely used during the Vietnam war.

Sounds totally reasonable. What could possibly go wrong?


The people dispensing the weedkiller will most likely rot a way from cancer in a few years and won't be bothered by pesky weeds.
 
2012-09-19 06:24:33 AM
Came for the super weed. Leaving disappointed.
 
2012-09-19 06:57:12 AM
Just wait til Monsanto starts suing anyone who has the superweed on their property....
 
2012-09-19 07:08:02 AM
Looks like a lawsuit against nature for having a monopoly in the market for weeds.
 
2012-09-19 07:12:44 AM
It's almost as if weeds have been selected for increasing resistance to certain chemicals...
 
2012-09-19 07:40:26 AM

calufrax: It's almost as if weeds have been selected for increasing resistance to certain chemicals...


I'd love to see a prairie they inadvertently create that's immune to agent orange. A prairie where people missing arms go out hunting animals as equally deficient. The hunters flop along the ground with pistols in their mouths after the deer squirming ahead like maggots, as likely to shoot their prey as they are each other.
 
2012-09-19 07:44:08 AM
Suck it, Monsanto.
 
2012-09-19 07:44:56 AM
We fark with nature a lot, but it's a patient beast and always farks us back. Hard.
 
2012-09-19 07:50:53 AM

calufrax: It's almost as if weeds have been selected for increasing resistance to certain chemicals...


*shakes tiny fist* DAAARRRWWWWIIIIINNN!!!!1!
 
2012-09-19 07:56:29 AM
They infiltrate each city with their thick dark warning odour. They are invincible. They seem immune to all our herbicidal battering.
 
2012-09-19 08:01:12 AM
With the mention of agent orange, a powerful carcinogen, the BBC tag could have been replaced with the Onion tag and I would never have suspected that this blurb was not satire.

Regarding the super weeds, didn't various individuals, who were at the time widely denounced as tree-hugging, patchouli snorting hippies, warn us of this outcome in the early nineties? When are we going to learn to listen to scientists who have little to gain from sharing information rather than "scientists" bought and owned by corporations?
 
2012-09-19 08:11:32 AM

AbbeySomeone: phlegmmo: Scientists say the solution to the widespread resistance problem is a new type of GM that uses a powerful weedkiller that was once part of Agent Orange, the defoliant widely used during the Vietnam war.

Sounds totally reasonable. What could possibly go wrong?

The people dispensing the weedkiller will most likely rot a way from cancer in a few years and won't be bothered by pesky weeds.


Moreso, won't it just lead to weed eventually becoming resistant to the new compound?

[sarcasm]Humans always win biological arms races. Just look at our "progress" in regards to antibiotic resistance.[/sarcasm]
 
2012-09-19 08:34:26 AM

Lunaville: When are we going to learn to listen to scientists who have little to gain from sharing information rather than "scientists" bought and owned by corporations?


Based on history, my money is on "never".
 
2012-09-19 08:38:54 AM
Now back to "Damn nature, you evolving!" on Fox...
 
2012-09-19 08:44:56 AM
We had this article a month and a half ago.

This has less to do with GMOs, and more to do with the way the agricultural industry is set up. Let me take you through the life of a herbicide resistant crop.

Years 1-3: Public university finds resistance to herbicide
Years 4-6: Herbicide resistance is bred into commercial lines.
Years 7-8:Testing
Year 9: Field release
Years 10-Whenever the fark we stop making money: Agricultural lines are patented, and aggressively crammed down farmers throats because we've put so much time and money into this crap that we have to make something back and in the process, run the entire usefulness of the resistance into the ground.

The same can be said of Antibiotic patents. Due to the fact that there's a limited time (Though not limited enough) they are used past the point of good sense (Scientifically speaking). Diminishing and harmful returns. If they were, for example, used in cycles the life and usefulness of the resistance could be extended. This won't happen because of the shelf life of the patent however.

Once again, Science is spoiled by Dipshiats in a boardroom.
 
2012-09-19 08:50:49 AM
Did someone say Super Weed? chud.com
 
2012-09-19 08:57:54 AM
It is all fun and games until the triffids take over.
 
2012-09-19 09:06:48 AM
Oh no, walking beans! That isn't going backwards 50 years. I did it 30 years ago... Had candy money for a month from one day of walking beans.
 
2012-09-19 09:20:08 AM
Pfft. Who cares? My Monsanto stock is up 1 1/8th.

\luckily, those of us who are rich enough have already had the necessary genetic modification to be able to subsist entirely on super-weeds, while the rest of you proles starve to death...
 
2012-09-19 09:20:38 AM

mr_bunny: It is all fun and games until the triffids take over.


meh, the triffids only had a chance because everyone went blind.
 
2012-09-19 09:21:14 AM
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Flyi high with Superweed!
 
2012-09-19 09:43:16 AM
25.media.tumblr.com

Nods knowingly.
 
2012-09-19 09:45:34 AM

Kinek: We had this article a month and a half ago.

This has less to do with GMOs, and more to do with the way the agricultural industry is set up. Let me take you through the life of a herbicide resistant crop.

Years 1-3: Public university finds resistance to herbicide
Years 4-6: Herbicide resistance is bred into commercial lines.
Years 7-8:Testing
Year 9: Field release
Years 10-Whenever the fark we stop making money: Agricultural lines are patented, and aggressively crammed down farmers throats because we've put so much time and money into this crap that we have to make something back and in the process, run the entire usefulness of the resistance into the ground.

The same can be said of Antibiotic patents. Due to the fact that there's a limited time (Though not limited enough) they are used past the point of good sense (Scientifically speaking). Diminishing and harmful returns. If they were, for example, used in cycles the life and usefulness of the resistance could be extended. This won't happen because of the shelf life of the patent however.

Once again, Science is spoiled by Dipshiats in a boardroom.


First and foremost I cannot agree more with your post. The issue is where does funding REALLY come from? I'd say the same people ruining technology are the ones funding the creation of it. Perhaps they need to be educated on long term diversified investment in technology as opposed to SELL NOW! MAKE MONEY! stratigies.
 
2012-09-19 09:50:06 AM

phlegmmo: Scientists say the solution to the widespread resistance problem is a new type of GM that uses a powerful weedkiller that was once part of Agent Orange, the defoliant widely used during the Vietnam war.

Sounds totally reasonable. What could possibly go wrong?


Know what also was a major ingredient in the production of Agent Orange? Dihydrogen Monoxide!

BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE NOW!

Lunaville: Regarding the super weeds, didn't various individuals, who were at the time widely denounced as tree-hugging, patchouli snorting hippies, warn us of this outcome in the early nineties?


Most of those people, were, in fact, farking morons that thought the genes were magically going to infect every other plant through cross-pollination or something that was equally full of shiat.

This is a natural selection issue within the weeds themselves, and would happen with literally any form of selective chemical weed control used universally in agriculture. GMO has nothing to do with the issue beyond determining the specific chemical being used.

Nor is this actually particularly unexpected by industry, it's why herbicides are still an area of active research. It's just how biology works. Nature, if you haven't caught on to this yet, has never been humanity's friend in any way, even back when were were pre-literate apes hanging out in trees the various plants and animals around us were always coming up with new ways to try to wipe us out. Intelligence itself is just one more salvo in that running fight for existence.
 
2012-09-19 09:57:13 AM
Know what super weeds aren't immune to?

www.bowtiegarage.com.au
 
2012-09-19 09:59:53 AM

Marine1: Know what super weeds aren't immune to?

[www.bowtiegarage.com.au image 500x293]


Kind of hard to apply precisely during the growing season.
 
2012-09-19 10:18:56 AM

nmemkha: Marine1: Know what super weeds aren't immune to?

[www.bowtiegarage.com.au image 500x293]

Kind of hard to apply precisely during the growing season.


How so?
 
2012-09-19 10:52:45 AM

kicksmile: Kinek: We had this article a month and a half ago.

This has less to do with GMOs, and more to do with the way the agricultural industry is set up. Let me take you through the life of a herbicide resistant crop.

Years 1-3: Public university finds resistance to herbicide
Years 4-6: Herbicide resistance is bred into commercial lines.
Years 7-8:Testing
Year 9: Field release
Years 10-Whenever the fark we stop making money: Agricultural lines are patented, and aggressively crammed down farmers throats because we've put so much time and money into this crap that we have to make something back and in the process, run the entire usefulness of the resistance into the ground.

The same can be said of Antibiotic patents. Due to the fact that there's a limited time (Though not limited enough) they are used past the point of good sense (Scientifically speaking). Diminishing and harmful returns. If they were, for example, used in cycles the life and usefulness of the resistance could be extended. This won't happen because of the shelf life of the patent however.

Once again, Science is spoiled by Dipshiats in a boardroom.

First and foremost I cannot agree more with your post. The issue is where does funding REALLY come from? I'd say the same people ruining technology are the ones funding the creation of it. Perhaps they need to be educated on long term diversified investment in technology as opposed to SELL NOW! MAKE MONEY! stratigies.


The sad part is that long term strategy would make them more money than the short term. If you kept up a stable of herbicides and were able to co-ordinate industry wide changes in variety, you could extend the life of 2-4D or Glysophate years and years. But this would require co-operation. Which is just not going to happen in the private sector.

The saddest part? This whole GMO scaremongering is making it hard for public sector work to gain funding for GM projects (There's some bullhonkey about only using slow breeding methods because it's organic). Who does that leave in charge of the future of GM work? Monsanto and Ilk. And as much as I'd like to be an Idealist, you can't eat principles. Neither do they put a roof over your head.

In short, the public needs to pull up its big boy Science pants and put funding back in for the USDA. Food is a public interest. It's one of THE public interests.
 
2012-09-19 11:02:37 AM
I am sensing the beginning of a Deathworld spiral.
 
2012-09-19 11:09:14 AM

Marine1: nmemkha: Marine1: Know what super weeds aren't immune to?

[www.bowtiegarage.com.au image 500x293]

Kind of hard to apply precisely during the growing season.

How so?


Have you every weeded a garden? You'll wind up burning up some of the crop. Also, I doubt an open burn in drought areas is such a good idea.
 
2012-09-19 11:17:33 AM
This'll ultimately end up with a bunch of frozen gorillas.
 
2012-09-19 11:19:43 AM
This is definitely not exactly what I said was going to happen. Definitely not.
 
2012-09-19 12:11:49 PM

nmemkha: Marine1: nmemkha: Marine1: Know what super weeds aren't immune to?

[www.bowtiegarage.com.au image 500x293]

Kind of hard to apply precisely during the growing season.

How so?

Have you every weeded a garden? You'll wind up burning up some of the crop. Also, I doubt an open burn in drought areas is such a good idea.


Yeah, I've weeded. I found using a propane torch to be a better method.

I wouldn't quite call using a torch an open burn, either.
 
2012-09-19 12:42:45 PM

HotWingConspiracy: We fark with nature a lot, but it's a patient beast and always farks us back. Hard.


The Mean Farmer, on living in harmony with Mother Nature:

"Why, she sends tornadoes, droughts, flood, earthquake, locusts, sink-holes, hoof and mouth, rabid bats, erosion, heat and humidity, dust storms, lizards, swarms of slippery junebugs, crop-stealing gophers, fungus, generalized rot, African killer bees, chicken hawks, coyotes, rat, musk thistle, wildfires, lightning, alkali water wells, landslides, gnats, skeeters, and methane clouds.

Live in harmony with someone who does all that to me? I'd sooner French-kiss a grumpy weasel.

Mother Nature ain't shown no peaceful intent in my memory. I'll drop my weapons when she drops hers.

Sure, I'm an underdog. But I've got a shed full of atrazine and a bad attitude. I'm taking Mother Nature down with me, so help me Dow Chemical."
 
2012-09-19 01:02:36 PM
Mechanical removal, it's the only way to be sure.
 
2012-09-19 01:21:00 PM
Easily solved with Super Goats, Super Bunnies, and Super Cows.
 
2012-09-19 01:47:48 PM
Aye, Capt. Oreamnos, not one weed I know of is immune to the shiny steel of a disc blade or cultivator shovel.
 
2012-09-19 01:59:21 PM

kicksmile: Perhaps they need to be educated on long term diversified investment in technology as opposed to SELL NOW! MAKE MONEY! stratigies.


It depends on whether they are greedy, selfish pricks or not whether their strategy is better suited to the current economy than yours.
 
2012-09-19 02:38:25 PM
Gulper Eel:

Came here for The Return of the Giant Hogweed. I see that Gulper Eel took care of things.

Carry on.
 
2012-09-19 03:19:24 PM
CSB: When Monsanto was going broke because their chemical business was taking a hit from PCB outrage, they called Bain and Bain sent their new boy, Mitt.

So thank MITT for GMOs
 
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2012-09-19 08:01:32 PM
Not sure how, bit this story has to end with frozen gorillas.
 
2012-09-19 08:45:41 PM

nmemkha: Marine1: nmemkha: Marine1: Know what super weeds aren't immune to?

[www.bowtiegarage.com.au image 500x293]

Kind of hard to apply precisely during the growing season.

How so?

Have you every weeded a garden? You'll wind up burning up some of the crop. Also, I doubt an open burn in drought areas is such a good idea.


From a nearly identical article also on the BBC site:
news.bbcimg.co.uk
"Bright orange flames shoot from the back of a propane powered weed burner as it trundles slowly across a field. This is a modern demonstration at the University of Nebraska of an old technique"

Link to alternate BBC article

/I have no idea why tardmitter didn't link to the more complete one
 
2012-09-20 12:15:00 AM

Oreamnos: Mechanical removal, it's the only way to be sure.


Sounds like a job for a robot
 
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