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2012-09-19 10:28:43 AM  
This man may have been responsible for great games in the past, but given what BioWare has become over the past three years or so, I can't say my level of give-a-fark is very high. But, whatever. I wish him the best of luck in his future career choice.
 
2012-09-19 10:32:53 AM  
AND Greg Zeschuk is stepping down too.

And so, EA kills another one.
 
2012-09-19 11:16:25 AM  
EA = Game Developer's Graveyard
 
2012-09-19 11:17:25 AM  
I care only if he was the one responsible for the abortion that was the ME3 ending.
 
2012-09-19 11:17:43 AM  
i170.photobucket.com


Farewell Ray Muzyka
 
2012-09-19 11:18:02 AM  
The EA cannibalization process must've been pretty rough this time around for them to quit the industry altogether. Maybe EA's lawyers inserted a non-compete clause, knowing full well the results of their practices. Those guys were responsible for some of my favorite games of all time, right up until they started selling bits of their soul for MS Points.
 
2012-09-19 11:18:03 AM  
They changed him....

striving to find new ways to lead to sustainable outcomes for all stakeholders

Or else he had a bingo bet with someone in the office before he published that
 
2012-09-19 11:22:42 AM  

Hot Carl To Go: They changed him....

striving to find new ways to lead to sustainable outcomes for all stakeholders


EAspeak inserted by corp lawyers...
 
2012-09-19 11:23:00 AM  

Cythraul: And so, EA kills another one.


Yup. That's how I read it, too.
 
2012-09-19 11:24:00 AM  
Electronic Arts somehow managed to kill the best multiplayer game ever made (Ultima Online), so I've been fairly 'meh' about the game destroying mission they've been on since they merc'd Mythic.

Still sucks for Bioware though. Writing was on the wall after TOR last year.
 
2012-09-19 11:24:40 AM  
meh. not many titles there that I found appealing, interesting or entertaining for any significant length of time.
 
2012-09-19 11:30:17 AM  

I eat mop: meh. not many titles there that I found appealing, interesting or entertaining for any significant length of time.


What kind of games DO fit that bill for you?
 
2012-09-19 11:32:10 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: I eat mop: meh. not many titles there that I found appealing, interesting or entertaining for any significant length of time.

What kind of games DO fit that bill for you?


He sounds like a Call of Duty fan.
 
2012-09-19 11:37:46 AM  
RIP, Bioware.

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2012-09-19 11:41:16 AM  
Bioware are no Looking Glass.
 
2012-09-19 11:42:04 AM  
Actually good news because eventually they will get back into the business as another dev and return to making games for gamers by games....
 
2012-09-19 11:43:45 AM  
Translation: I got paid selling my company to EA. After EA destroyed the assets they bought I don't see any need to stick around.
 
2012-09-19 11:50:05 AM  
I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices cried out from their parents' basements. I fear something terrible has happened

And much like the Star Wars reference in the headline, BioWare represented a young Anakin. He was ambitious, wanting to change the world for the good. Until he met Emperor Arts who, through subtle manipulation, twisted and warped Anakin into a shell of his former self. It was only after the full acquisition did Anakin cease to exist and Darth Vader took his place.
 
2012-09-19 11:50:21 AM  
Translation: I am going to go do something else until my non-compete clause expires.
 
2012-09-19 12:05:14 PM  
Welp, time to jump on the OBSIDIAN TRAIN! CHOO CHOO

/Project Eternity here we come!
//Also, I really hope Grim Dawn gets released someday
///Borderlands 2 is awesome
 
2012-09-19 12:14:19 PM  

Cythraul: Jim from Saint Paul: I eat mop: meh. not many titles there that I found appealing, interesting or entertaining for any significant length of time.

What kind of games DO fit that bill for you?

He sounds like a Call of Duty fan.


Not many Bioware games that I haven't played.

Still play CoD4 and will pwn you!
 
2012-09-19 12:20:11 PM  

Virtual Pariah: EAspeak inserted by corp lawyers...


I wouldn't be so quick to judge. "Stakeholder" is different from "shareholder," in that it recognizes that everyone, from the customers who buy the products, to the people who create the products, to the people who finance the products, have a stake in the outcome. He was taking a subtle swipe at how EA focuses too much on the financial side, overriding the production side, and disrespecting the consumption side. Had there been more concern for the stakeholders instead of the shareholders over the past few years, Bioware would still be producing classic, unforgettable games, instead of focus-tested, monetized garbage.
 
2012-09-19 12:22:52 PM  
Everybody's so quick to blame EA for them quitting but they fail to realise that these two were always the managers and had very little to do with the content Bioware put out.

They were the guys that made sure the budget balanced and that projects stuck to a shedule, that's all.

In fact, it was their decision to sell to EA in the first place.
 
2012-09-19 12:25:12 PM  
Well I'm sad to hear this, though happy for the docs. Bio may have mistepped of late, but they have still given me some of my favorite games ever. From Baldur's Gate & Kotor to ME & DA ... I've been pretty happy with all of it.
 
2012-09-19 12:32:28 PM  

hamdingers: Well I'm sad to hear this, though happy for the docs. Bio may have mistepped of late, but they have still given me some of my favorite games ever. From Baldur's Gate & Kotor to ME & DA ... I've been pretty happy with all of it.


Eh, I like to attribute Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2 more to the work of Black Isle, probably because I'm bitter at the direction that Bioware has taken.

/Even though it was delayed until Nov. 30, I'm still excited for Baldur's Gate:Enhanced Edition!
 
2012-09-19 12:37:24 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Virtual Pariah: EAspeak inserted by corp lawyers...

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. "Stakeholder" is different from "shareholder," in that it recognizes that everyone, from the customers who buy the products, to the people who create the products, to the people who finance the products, have a stake in the outcome. He was taking a subtle swipe at how EA focuses too much on the financial side, overriding the production side, and disrespecting the consumption side. Had there been more concern for the stakeholders instead of the shareholders over the past few years, Bioware would still be producing classic, unforgettable games, instead of focus-tested, monetized garbage.


Good catch.
I glossed over it and assumed it was shareholders.
 
2012-09-19 12:39:15 PM  

jagarr: Electronic Arts somehow managed to kill the best multiplayer game ever made (Ultima Online), so I've been fairly 'meh' about the game destroying mission they've been on since they merc'd Mythic.

Still sucks for Bioware though. Writing was on the wall after TOR Dragon Age II last year.


Fixed for accuracy.
 
2012-09-19 12:50:04 PM  

mokinokaro: Everybody's so quick to blame EA for them quitting but they fail to realise that these two were always the managers and had very little to do with the content Bioware put out.

They were the guys that made sure the budget balanced and that projects stuck to a shedule, that's all.

In fact, it was their decision to sell to EA in the first place.


Maybe (although I thought they DID have a hand in the game design early on) - but they did create the company, and the vision, that made some of the truly best games ever produced. With them gone, there is nothing to stop EA from turning Bioware into just another shiatty EA subsidiary.

So long Bioware, you were the best, you'll be missed.

BTW:: The Bioware forums are alight with a ton of "well, that's the end of the company" posts - the Bioware employees who frequent the forums are getting pissed.
 
2012-09-19 12:52:06 PM  

AntonChigger: Welp, time to jump on the OBSIDIAN TRAIN! CHOO CHOO

/Project Eternity here we come!
//Also, I really hope Grim Dawn gets released someday
///Borderlands 2 is awesome


obvious troll is obvious. right now obsidian is the only game company consistently putting out worse shiat than bioware

/borderlands 2 IS awesome!!!
//gearbox is my new lord and master
 
2012-09-19 01:00:22 PM  

DeusMeh: AntonChigger: Welp, time to jump on the OBSIDIAN TRAIN! CHOO CHOO

/Project Eternity here we come!
//Also, I really hope Grim Dawn gets released someday
///Borderlands 2 is awesome

obvious troll is obvious. right now obsidian is the only game company consistently putting out worse shiat than bioware

/borderlands 2 IS awesome!!!
//gearbox is my new lord and master


Don't know what you're talking about, Fallout New Vegas was an awesome game, and Neverwinter Nights 2 was pretty decent as well. I distinctly remember enjoying KOTOR 2, so I can't hate them for that, and they are involved in the upcoming South Park RPG. You're entitled to your opinion man, but I think you're the one that's trolling.
 
2012-09-19 01:02:31 PM  
EA sucks, you can't have much creative vision when EA is extremely proud they only greenlight games with an "online required component and DLC" and other "services" they can strip from the game and offer for more money. As a developer I would find those kind of conditions and strings intolerable too because you know whatever cool idea you have it has to be able to serve EA's Origin requirement of not releasing a fully finished game, there has to be dlc and there has to be other ways to micro transaction the game.
 
2012-09-19 01:08:10 PM  

AntonChigger: DeusMeh: AntonChigger: Welp, time to jump on the OBSIDIAN TRAIN! CHOO CHOO

/Project Eternity here we come!
//Also, I really hope Grim Dawn gets released someday
///Borderlands 2 is awesome

obvious troll is obvious. right now obsidian is the only game company consistently putting out worse shiat than bioware

/borderlands 2 IS awesome!!!
//gearbox is my new lord and master

Don't know what you're talking about, Fallout New Vegas was an awesome game, and Neverwinter Nights 2 was pretty decent as well. I distinctly remember enjoying KOTOR 2, so I can't hate them for that, and they are involved in the upcoming South Park RPG. You're entitled to your opinion man, but I think you're the one that's trolling.


New Vegas could've used a few more months of testing and debugging before release. Don't get me wrong, F:NV is one of my favorite games (and also has one of my favorite DLCs ever "Old World Blues") but holy shiat was it buggy! I remember I couldn't play for a couple days because every time I tried to enter the strip, the game would freeze and crash. It was only after scouring the forums did I find out I could put on a beret and enter the strip without it freezing. Then I was too scared to take off the beret because the game might crash again.

And it's hard for me to fault open world games because there's a damn near infinite number of ways to play the game, so knocking out all bugs would be impossible. BUT when I just start the game and Doc Mitchell's head is doing a 360? That' buggy.
 
2012-09-19 01:13:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: AntonChigger: DeusMeh: AntonChigger: Welp, time to jump on the OBSIDIAN TRAIN! CHOO CHOO

/Project Eternity here we come!
//Also, I really hope Grim Dawn gets released someday
///Borderlands 2 is awesome

obvious troll is obvious. right now obsidian is the only game company consistently putting out worse shiat than bioware

/borderlands 2 IS awesome!!!
//gearbox is my new lord and master

Don't know what you're talking about, Fallout New Vegas was an awesome game, and Neverwinter Nights 2 was pretty decent as well. I distinctly remember enjoying KOTOR 2, so I can't hate them for that, and they are involved in the upcoming South Park RPG. You're entitled to your opinion man, but I think you're the one that's trolling.

New Vegas could've used a few more months of testing and debugging before release. Don't get me wrong, F:NV is one of my favorite games (and also has one of my favorite DLCs ever "Old World Blues") but holy shiat was it buggy! I remember I couldn't play for a couple days because every time I tried to enter the strip, the game would freeze and crash. It was only after scouring the forums did I find out I could put on a beret and enter the strip without it freezing. Then I was too scared to take off the beret because the game might crash again.

And it's hard for me to fault open world games because there's a damn near infinite number of ways to play the game, so knocking out all bugs would be impossible. BUT when I just start the game and Doc Mitchell's head is doing a 360? That' buggy.


What version did you have, PS3? I had the PC version, and aside from a few save issues the first time I played it, and the occasional graphical bug or cazador clipping into the ground/wall, I didn't really have any serious issues with it. I think it crashed only 2 or 3 three times that I can remember.
 
2012-09-19 01:15:08 PM  

Superjew: EA = Game Developer's Graveyard


Where's the cartoon where a game company is saying "where are you taking me, daddy?" and the EA "father" takes 'em to a ravine and shoots them in the back of the head?
 
2012-09-19 01:18:49 PM  

Fano: Superjew: EA = Game Developer's Graveyard

Where's the cartoon where a game company is saying "where are you taking me, daddy?" and the EA "father" takes 'em to a ravine and shoots them in the back of the head?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-19 01:36:38 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: mokinokaro: Everybody's so quick to blame EA for them quitting but they fail to realise that these two were always the managers and had very little to do with the content Bioware put out.

They were the guys that made sure the budget balanced and that projects stuck to a shedule, that's all.

In fact, it was their decision to sell to EA in the first place.

Maybe (although I thought they DID have a hand in the game design early on) - but they did create the company, and the vision, that made some of the truly best games ever produced. With them gone, there is nothing to stop EA from turning Bioware into just another shiatty EA subsidiary.

So long Bioware, you were the best, you'll be missed.

BTW:: The Bioware forums are alight with a ton of "well, that's the end of the company" posts - the Bioware employees who frequent the forums are getting pissed.


I'll bet! I would be too.

/just glad they made it through the primary ME trilogy
//wondering what's next for the company AND the Doctors
 
2012-09-19 01:40:08 PM  
Ea sucks.

i47.tinypic.com

/Borderlands 2 rocks.
 
2012-09-19 01:41:37 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: I care only if he was the one responsible for the abortion that was the ME3 ending.


That was Casey Hudson's fault, who has been in Bioware for many years. From what I heard, Drew Karpyshyn helped write the first two games then got nudged to Old Republic and then Hudson brought that ending disaster to us.

Not EA's fault for the endings, but EA can still choke on a bowl of dicks.
 
2012-09-19 01:43:14 PM  

Empty Matchbook: /just glad they made it through the primary ME trilogy
//wondering what's next for the company AND the Doctors


Sequels. SEQUELS. SEQUELS!

Casey Hudson already promised another entry into Mass Effect, plus they announced Dragon Age 3: Inquisition.

I really have no desire to play DA3. The second one just plain sucked and was a pure money grab. Of course they're saying they are listening to fans and addressing complaints, but I don't trust EA to actually listen.
 
2012-09-19 01:45:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Empty Matchbook: /just glad they made it through the primary ME trilogy
//wondering what's next for the company AND the Doctors

Sequels. SEQUELS. SEQUELS!

Casey Hudson already promised another entry into Mass Effect, plus they announced Dragon Age 3: Inquisition.

I really have no desire to play DA3. The second one just plain sucked and was a pure money grab. Of course they're saying they are listening to fans and addressing complaints, but I don't trust EA to actually listen.


Given how the fan response to ME3 turned the endings from 'garbage' to 'good enough' (at least to me), I think they will listen to the criticism of DA2 and see how to make DA3 better. Now that's now saying DA3 is going to kick ass. They can still blow it.
 
2012-09-19 01:57:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Empty Matchbook: /just glad they made it through the primary ME trilogy
//wondering what's next for the company AND the Doctors

Sequels. SEQUELS. SEQUELS!

Casey Hudson already promised another entry into Mass Effect, plus they announced Dragon Age 3: Inquisition.

I really have no desire to play DA3. The second one just plain sucked and was a pure money grab. Of course they're saying they are listening to fans and addressing complaints, but I don't trust EA to actually listen.


I will not buy DA3 unless every review (blogs, meta-critic, game news sites, the works) I read about the game is utterly glowing. Not after DA2. No thank you.
 
2012-09-19 01:59:20 PM  
Holy Farking Crap! My first green!

*sniff*

But yes, this really farking sucks to loose both of the Doctors at BioWare. In another 5 years, BW will have crashed ad burned under EA's control.

Which sucks because aaside from Mass Effect, Dragon Age, ad Old Republic, BioWare was starting to revive Ultima.

But, at least Chris Roberts is returning to the industry again. Can't wait to see what awesomeness he's unleashing on us.
 
2012-09-19 02:14:17 PM  

Cythraul: I will not buy DA3 unless every review (blogs, meta-critic, game news sites, the works) I read about the game is utterly glowing. Not after DA2. No thank you.


Was gonna say that too, but I don't trust a majority of the reviewers out there. Too many of them are in EA's pocket. I will trust the small ones that are honest about it (the same ones that actually reported how farked up the original ME3 ending was).

Kinda sad this will be the first BioWare game I don't pick up on release day. It'll be a couple weeks (wait for all reviews to roll in) before I even think about it.
 
2012-09-19 03:32:27 PM  

AntonChigger: Don't know what you're talking about, Fallout New Vegas was an awesome game, and Neverwinter Nights 2 was pretty decent as well. I distinctly remember enjoying KOTOR 2, so I can't hate them for that, and they are involved in the upcoming South Park RPG. You're entitled to your opinion man, but I think you're the one that's trolling.


Haven't played F:NV because I avoid Obsidian products like the plague. Why? Because NWN2 and KOTOR2 were farking disasters. The former was totally unplayable at release (questionable even today), and the latter remains a half-finished, bug-ridden pile of dung despite the best efforts of the modding community. If you're not a troll, then you're just a glutton for punishment... NTTAWWT.
 
2012-09-19 03:33:26 PM  
DA2 I was warned about. I bought it anyway and went 'surely not' about the 'recycled maps' and other complaints.

I had prepurchased ME3 and was loving it. I shrugged off the 'haters' griping about the ending.

SWTOR seemed fun. For 20 levels.

I have developed a syphilitic hatred for origin. It is the most ass backward client I've ever used, and couldn't find a successful well programmed menu with both hands and a wad of cash.

They took bf3 and made it a 'subscription' service for DLC they promised a month ago. (though honestly I'm more angry my cheap ass friends won't drop the cash on the DLC).

I'm done with EA unless there is a very compelling reason to get another game by them. Honestly can't explain quickly why I was so disappointed by ME3 and DA2. But thy were enough to make me say no more.
 
2012-09-19 03:34:41 PM  

wmoonfox: AntonChigger: Don't know what you're talking about, Fallout New Vegas was an awesome game, and Neverwinter Nights 2 was pretty decent as well. I distinctly remember enjoying KOTOR 2, so I can't hate them for that, and they are involved in the upcoming South Park RPG. You're entitled to your opinion man, but I think you're the one that's trolling.

Haven't played F:NV because I avoid Obsidian products like the plague. Why? Because NWN2 and KOTOR2 were farking disasters. The former was totally unplayable at release (questionable even today), and the latter remains a half-finished, bug-ridden pile of dung despite the best efforts of the modding community. If you're not a troll, then you're just a glutton for punishment... NTTAWWT.


To clarify... In both instances, Obsidian was handed a solid-gold property, and they managed to utterly destroy both, then refused to take responsibility. They're the worst kind of developer.
 
2012-09-19 03:56:57 PM  

WizardofToast: scottydoesntknow: Empty Matchbook: /just glad they made it through the primary ME trilogy
//wondering what's next for the company AND the Doctors

Sequels. SEQUELS. SEQUELS!

Casey Hudson already promised another entry into Mass Effect, plus they announced Dragon Age 3: Inquisition.

I really have no desire to play DA3. The second one just plain sucked and was a pure money grab. Of course they're saying they are listening to fans and addressing complaints, but I don't trust EA to actually listen.

Given how the fan response to ME3 turned the endings from 'garbage' to 'good enough' (at least to me), I think they will listen to the criticism of DA2 and see how to make DA3 better. Now that's now saying DA3 is going to kick ass. They can still blow it.


They're also taking longer than 18 months, so I think there's plenty of hope for DA3.

And I'm fine with more Mass Effect. After all the universe-building they did via the codex through stuff we never even saw or fully experienced, it's not like they're short on material. I can't remember where I heard it (I think on Giant Bomb's podcast), but someone floated the idea of a hard-boiled detective story set entirely on The Citadel. I'd play the HELL out of that.

/then again, I actually liked DAII
//and the ME3 endings
 
2012-09-19 04:16:09 PM  

matthew_m_g: jagarr: Electronic Arts somehow managed to kill the best multiplayer game ever made (Ultima Online), so I've been fairly 'meh' about the game destroying mission they've been on since they merc'd Mythic.

Still sucks for Bioware though. Writing was on the wall after TOR Dragon Age II last year.

Fixed for accuracy.


Bah!

Neverwinter Nights 2.
 
2012-09-19 04:33:18 PM  

AntonChigger: DeusMeh: AntonChigger: Welp, time to jump on the OBSIDIAN TRAIN! CHOO CHOO

/Project Eternity here we come!
//Also, I really hope Grim Dawn gets released someday
///Borderlands 2 is awesome

obvious troll is obvious. right now obsidian is the only game company consistently putting out worse shiat than bioware

/borderlands 2 IS awesome!!!
//gearbox is my new lord and master

Don't know what you're talking about, Fallout New Vegas was an awesome game, and Neverwinter Nights 2 was pretty decent as well. I distinctly remember enjoying KOTOR 2, so I can't hate them for that, and they are involved in the upcoming South Park RPG. You're entitled to your opinion man, but I think you're the one that's trolling.


Fallout New Vegas was an okay game. It made me want to play through to the end, but not play it again, unlike Fallout 3. It's design was rather slovenly, and the DLC was hit and miss (Old World Blues and Lonesome Road were awesome, Dead Money was mediocre, and Honest Hearts was just awful,) though I do appreciate some of the fixes for Fallout 3's bugs.
 
2012-09-19 05:04:45 PM  

Empty Matchbook: And I'm fine with more Mass Effect. After all the universe-building they did via the codex through stuff we never even saw or fully experienced, it's not like they're short on material. I can't remember where I heard it (I think on Giant Bomb's podcast), but someone floated the idea of a hard-boiled detective story set entirely on The Citadel. I'd play the HELL out of that.


Well, to be honest ME is the first time in a long time that an IP has birthed a universe that seems large, rich, and interesting enough to support a multitude of stories exploring previously obscured parts of the universe. If the IP holders were smart, they'd look into getting an expanded universe going (a la Star Wars). It deserves more attention.

Other story/game ideas:

a fleet combat-style rts/turn-based strategy

a patrol/combat vessel that gets caught up in political intrigue

an exploration of the [insert race]'s homeworld and culture that hasn't been explored in-depth yet

gun runners/pirates

science discovery of new destabilizing Prothean technology



I could go on.
 
2012-09-19 05:05:16 PM  
Translation: DA3 is going to suck so much ass that I'd rather retire than be blamed for it.
 
2012-09-19 05:06:58 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices cried out from their parents' basements. I fear something terrible has happened

And much like the Star Wars reference in the headline, BioWare represented a young Anakin. He was ambitious, wanting to change the world for the good. Until he met Emperor Arts who, through subtle manipulation, twisted and warped Anakin into a shell of his former self. It was only after the full acquisition did Anakin cease to exist and Darth Vader took his place.


For christ sakes man, you could at least announce a "Spoiler Alert!"
 
2012-09-19 05:13:36 PM  

imontheinternet: Translation: DA3 is going to suck so much ass that I'd rather retire than be blamed for it.


It's going to be first person and cover based.
 
2012-09-19 05:14:52 PM  

wmoonfox:
To clarify... In both instances, Obsidian was handed a solid-gold property, and they managed to utterly destroy both, then refused to take responsibility. They're the worst kind of developer.


Obsidian have great game designers and writers. Unfortunately their QA and coders leave much to be desired. Every game of theirs feels rushed out six months too soon.
 
2012-09-19 05:21:40 PM  

imashark: Empty Matchbook: And I'm fine with more Mass Effect. After all the universe-building they did via the codex through stuff we never even saw or fully experienced, it's not like they're short on material. I can't remember where I heard it (I think on Giant Bomb's podcast), but someone floated the idea of a hard-boiled detective story set entirely on The Citadel. I'd play the HELL out of that.

Well, to be honest ME is the first time in a long time that an IP has birthed a universe that seems large, rich, and interesting enough to support a multitude of stories exploring previously obscured parts of the universe. If the IP holders were smart, they'd look into getting an expanded universe going (a la Star Wars). It deserves more attention.

Other story/game ideas:

a fleet combat-style rts/turn-based strategy

a patrol/combat vessel that gets caught up in political intrigue

an exploration of the [insert race]'s homeworld and culture that hasn't been explored in-depth yet

gun runners/pirates

science discovery of new destabilizing Prothean technology



I could go on.


They need to be careful though. The books have done a pretty good job with expanding the universe, but ME: Deception was just craptacular with so many glaring errors it hurt. It was so bad the publisher (and BioWare) had to issue a statement apologizing for even letting hit the printers.

Even Penny Arcade hopped on the Deception hate-wagon.

art.penny-arcade.com
 
2012-09-19 05:22:52 PM  
Wow.

People get upset about game companies?

That's like getting POd at GM or Amana.
 
2012-09-19 05:41:32 PM  

imashark: Empty Matchbook: And I'm fine with more Mass Effect. After all the universe-building they did via the codex through stuff we never even saw or fully experienced, it's not like they're short on material. I can't remember where I heard it (I think on Giant Bomb's podcast), but someone floated the idea of a hard-boiled detective story set entirely on The Citadel. I'd play the HELL out of that.

Well, to be honest ME is the first time in a long time that an IP has birthed a universe that seems large, rich, and interesting enough to support a multitude of stories exploring previously obscured parts of the universe. If the IP holders were smart, they'd look into getting an expanded universe going (a la Star Wars). It deserves more attention.

Other story/game ideas:

a fleet combat-style rts/turn-based strategy

a patrol/combat vessel that gets caught up in political intrigue

an exploration of the [insert race]'s homeworld and culture that hasn't been explored in-depth yet

gun runners/pirates

science discovery of new destabilizing Prothean technology



I could go on.


I think it originally WAS going to be an XCom/Fallout: Tactics-style turn-based strategy game. It'd be interesting to go back to that. Especially in a setting like the First Contact War, though now that an actual XCom is coming out, it may be too late for ANOTHER isometric turn-based alien invasion game so soon.
 
2012-09-19 05:43:15 PM  

douchebag/hater: Wow.

People get upset about game companies?

That's like getting POd at GM or Amana.


Or Hollywood. Or music labels. Or book publishers, if they forced upon us gems like "Catcher in the Rye 2: Zombie Boogaloo" and "Don Quixote: Revenge of the Windmills" while bleeding the authors dry and actively stifling all attempts at creativity.
 
2012-09-19 05:45:42 PM  
Which is to say, people don't like their hobbies being destroyed by parasitic suits and firms, and are justified in being critical and scornful.
 
2012-09-19 10:57:31 PM  

LoneWolf343: AntonChigger: DeusMeh: AntonChigger: Welp, time to jump on the OBSIDIAN TRAIN! CHOO CHOO

/Project Eternity here we come!
//Also, I really hope Grim Dawn gets released someday
///Borderlands 2 is awesome

obvious troll is obvious. right now obsidian is the only game company consistently putting out worse shiat than bioware

/borderlands 2 IS awesome!!!
//gearbox is my new lord and master

Don't know what you're talking about, Fallout New Vegas was an awesome game, and Neverwinter Nights 2 was pretty decent as well. I distinctly remember enjoying KOTOR 2, so I can't hate them for that, and they are involved in the upcoming South Park RPG. You're entitled to your opinion man, but I think you're the one that's trolling.

Fallout New Vegas was an okay game. It made me want to play through to the end, but not play it again, unlike Fallout 3. It's design was rather slovenly, and the DLC was hit and miss (Old World Blues and Lonesome Road were awesome, Dead Money was mediocre, and Honest Hearts was just awful,) though I do appreciate some of the fixes for Fallout 3's bugs.


I had the opposite feelings: F3 was terrible. One ruined subway corridor after another, the DLC never struck me, and the 'story' was utterly unscientific horseshiat (note: you filter radiation out of water with...dirt...meaning the whole thing was moot).

FNV I loved. Tons of different environments, outdoor/indoor, no subway tunnels, I enjoyed the DLC a ton too.

I don't mod either (I don't mod skyrim either), so I'm just comparing vanillas, not 'well you have to install these 400 gigs of mods to change it into a sidescrolling shooter' stuff.

My problem with the fallout universe is that it's getting a little long in the tooth, and they keep recycling the same setting style; it's been, what, thousands of years or something insane since 'the bomb'? And even with the PC being a superhero, how are there possibly any unplundered vaults, etc, period? How is any of the tech still functioning? No one has rebuilt anything beyond 'oh here's a token town/village thrown in so people can go 'nuhuh! See tokentown!'

It needs to progress. But it can't. Because then it wouldn't be fallout.
 
2012-09-20 12:55:59 AM  

kroonermanblack: My problem with the fallout universe is that it's getting a little long in the tooth, and they keep recycling the same setting style; it's been, what, thousands of years or something insane since 'the bomb'? And even with the PC being a superhero, how are there possibly any unplundered vaults, etc, period? How is any of the tech still functioning? No one has rebuilt anything beyond 'oh here's a token town/village thrown in so people can go 'nuhuh! See tokentown!'


Rumor has it that Fallout 4 will be based in Boston. Also, Fallout's granddaddy, Wasteland, is coming out with a sequel. Brian Fargo is heading it up on kickstarter.
 
2012-09-20 09:06:13 AM  
They consistently had the best written games in the industry, ones that would sit well against the better books written in each year they came out. Even the controversial Mass Effect 3 ending made complete sense from a story standpoint (although not so much from a gaming one), and they're worst game, Dragon Age II, was leaps and bounds above their competition in terms of characters, dialogue, and plot, which are the most important elements in a game to me.

/Although as a game, DAII was pretty half-assed.
 
2012-09-20 09:35:31 AM  

mokinokaro: Obsidian have great game designers and writers. Unfortunately their QA and coders leave much to be desired. Every game of theirs feels rushed out six months too soon.


I could believe that. Their stories are compelling, but that's pretty worthless if I cannot play the game due to bugs and incompatibilities.

luidprand: ... characters, dialogue, and plot, which are the most important elements in a game to me.


See above. Storyline is great, and immersion really sells the game for me, but immersion is totally shattered with a CTD and corrupted saves.
 
2012-09-20 11:39:04 AM  

kroonermanblack: and the 'story' was utterly unscientific horseshiat (note: you filter radiation out of water with...dirt...meaning the whole thing was moot).


Considering that the level of technology can best be described as "Retro sci-fi," I didn't exactly regard F3 for it's scientific prowess.
 
2012-09-21 04:34:20 AM  

Gunderson: kroonermanblack: My problem with the fallout universe is that it's getting a little long in the tooth, and they keep recycling the same setting style; it's been, what, thousands of years or something insane since 'the bomb'? And even with the PC being a superhero, how are there possibly any unplundered vaults, etc, period? How is any of the tech still functioning? No one has rebuilt anything beyond 'oh here's a token town/village thrown in so people can go 'nuhuh! See tokentown!'

Rumor has it that Fallout 4 will be based in Boston. Also, Fallout's granddaddy, Wasteland, is coming out with a sequel. Brian Fargo is heading it up on kickstarter.


Also, as far as I remember, the first two fallout games are barely 100 years after the bomb, with 3 being 200 years or so. So yeah, I never thought the level of rebuilding was not too off..kind of like a new dark ages with retro sci-fi tech.
 
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