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(Daily Mail)   Feeling unsure whether the iPhone 5 is all that? Never fear - Britain's Daily Mail proclaims it "simply the best smartphone ever made"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 77
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2012-09-18 11:51:39 PM
imac university of north texas
 
2012-09-19 12:40:21 AM
You know the worst thing about the Daily Fail? The content is terrible, but then you spot an article about some hot actress, and then you realise that you spent 20 minutes looking at crap.
 
2012-09-19 04:22:38 AM
I don't know about this here "i" "phone" "5", but my Galaxy S3 is pretty awesome.
 
2012-09-19 04:45:47 AM
I don't get the iPhone hate. It might not be the best phone in the market, but it works. I own an iPhone, and quite frankly a lot of the features that people complain that "aren't there" are just plain stupid.

1) Doesn't contain a removable battery - ok, fine. Use your phone like a reasonable human being and don't expect 100+ hours from a single battery charge. Out of all the people I met that have a cell-phone (because anecdotal evidence is the BEST), only 1 keeps are spare battery on him. Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

Long airplane ride? Buy a charger or get used to the fact you might have to read a book.

2) Removable storage - you want to take your music with you, that's understandable. But there's security and reliability concerns with supporting external flash memory (and accessing it uses up the battery faster too). If you want more storage, buy a bigger iPhone. Otherwise, you'll have to make concessions with what you have to bring with you to go, regardless if it's stored on internal or external memory, unless you carry multiple external flash cards with you?

3) No near-field communication - new, untested technology that is going through beginner stages of acceptance and usage. Things are bound to change over time. It'll get included into the iPhones when reliability, security, and consumer acceptance rise (think 3G on iPhones, wasn't included at launch until they found a way to not sacrifice battery life with it).

The thing that people never seem to realize is how Apple supports it's products, especially iPods and iPhones. All of my cell-phones up to the iPhone had no support from their manufacturers months after they were launched. This meant no firmware, baseband, software updates, etc. If there was a bug or something wrong with the phone, guess luck - we don't care. Even though they just retired the iPhone 3GS, it has had a shelf-life of 3 years and is getting it's final update soon. How many other cell-phone companies can state product support like that?
 
2012-09-19 04:50:21 AM

anwserman: I don't get the iPhone hate.


If you follow politics: iHaters are the birthers of the tech world.
 
2012-09-19 04:56:46 AM
Is this the thread where we talk about how iPhone owners are just fanbois because "ANDROID RULZ, biatch! GALAXYS3 FTW quadcoooooore muthafarkAAAAAAA"?

Oh, it is? I'll get my popcorn, then.
 
2012-09-19 05:02:39 AM

anwserman: I don't get the iPhone hate. It might not be the best phone in the market, but it works. I own an iPhone, and quite frankly a lot of the features that people complain that "aren't there" are just plain stupid.

1) Doesn't contain a removable battery - ok, fine. Use your phone like a reasonable human being and don't expect 100+ hours from a single battery charge. Out of all the people I met that have a cell-phone (because anecdotal evidence is the BEST), only 1 keeps are spare battery on him. Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

Long airplane ride? Buy a charger or get used to the fact you might have to read a book.

2) Removable storage - you want to take your music with you, that's understandable. But there's security and reliability concerns with supporting external flash memory (and accessing it uses up the battery faster too). If you want more storage, buy a bigger iPhone. Otherwise, you'll have to make concessions with what you have to bring with you to go, regardless if it's stored on internal or external memory, unless you carry multiple external flash cards with you?

3) No near-field communication - new, untested technology that is going through beginner stages of acceptance and usage. Things are bound to change over time. It'll get included into the iPhones when reliability, security, and consumer acceptance rise (think 3G on iPhones, wasn't included at launch until they found a way to not sacrifice battery life with it).

The thing that people never seem to realize is how Apple supports it's products, especially iPods and iPhones. All of my cell-phones up to the iPhone had no support from their manufacturers months after they were launched. This meant no firmware, baseband, software updates, etc. If there was a bug or something wrong with the phone, guess luck - we don't care. Even though they just retired the iPhone 3GS, it has had a shelf-life of 3 years and is getting it's final update soon ...


Agreed. I can't stand all of the partisan biatching over what...a PHONE!? Get a life.

My wife has had iPhones for ages, they are quite simple amazing. Apple destroyed the competition on launch and have set set a new precedent in 'low customer effort' - everything is just easy. From the customer service if it breaks to the iTunes eco-system...very low barrier to entry (aside from cost perhaps).

I just got an S3...also amazing, although in some aspects (managing my music) not as slick as an iDevice. The reason I went for this and not an iPhone was your point 2, removable storage. I got an adapter which allows me to plug an SD card from my camera (or my camera directly if I could find the wire) straight in to the phone and view the files in a folder. I can then upload straight to Dropbox.

This was a game changer for me, I'll be travelling a lot next year and wanted a way to quickly and easily back up my pics without having to lug a laptop around or going to crappy internet cafes. Possibly a somewhat unique use case but the iPhone wouldn't do that, horses for courses I guess.
 
2012-09-19 05:07:15 AM

magic_patch: anwserman: I don't get the iPhone hate. It might not be the best phone in the market, but it works. I own an iPhone, and quite frankly a lot of the features that people complain that "aren't there" are just plain stupid.

1) Doesn't contain a removable battery - ok, fine. Use your phone like a reasonable human being and don't expect 100+ hours from a single battery charge. Out of all the people I met that have a cell-phone (because anecdotal evidence is the BEST), only 1 keeps are spare battery on him. Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

Long airplane ride? Buy a charger or get used to the fact you might have to read a book.

2) Removable storage - you want to take your music with you, that's understandable. But there's security and reliability concerns with supporting external flash memory (and accessing it uses up the battery faster too). If you want more storage, buy a bigger iPhone. Otherwise, you'll have to make concessions with what you have to bring with you to go, regardless if it's stored on internal or external memory, unless you carry multiple external flash cards with you?

3) No near-field communication - new, untested technology that is going through beginner stages of acceptance and usage. Things are bound to change over time. It'll get included into the iPhones when reliability, security, and consumer acceptance rise (think 3G on iPhones, wasn't included at launch until they found a way to not sacrifice battery life with it).

The thing that people never seem to realize is how Apple supports it's products, especially iPods and iPhones. All of my cell-phones up to the iPhone had no support from their manufacturers months after they were launched. This meant no firmware, baseband, software updates, etc. If there was a bug or something wrong with the phone, guess luck - we don't care. Even though they just retired the iPhone 3GS, it has had a shelf-life of 3 years and is getting it's final ...


To each their own. I've already got a good portion of my music on iTunes and iTunes Match, and I don't feel like repurchasing all of my apps on the Android platform, f they're available. But whatever works for you - however, I have iCloud, and as long as I charge my phone at night and keep it connected to Wifi (which most motels have), it'll automatically upload all of my pics to my Mac and to the Internet.

Still pretty cool! I love technology nowadays.
 
2012-09-19 05:07:41 AM

anwserman: Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.


That comes down to the actual manufacturer of the phone.
 
2012-09-19 05:10:04 AM

WhyteRaven74: anwserman: Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

That comes down to the actual manufacturer of the phone.


I stated it because I found it humorous that most people who biatch about not being able to switch out iPhone batteries are Android users :)

Also, I own a Mac and 2 PC's. I am trying to become a full-time mobile software developer, so I need to program for both Android and iOS :)
 
2012-09-19 05:22:10 AM
I guess people don't realize the plethora of third party accessories that are out there to make up for iPhone shortcomings...
 
2012-09-19 05:35:07 AM

anwserman: 3) No near-field communication - new, untested technology that is going through beginner stages of acceptance and usage.


That's why it's getting pilloried over a lack of innovation where others are forging ahead with innovative technologies. They may or may not come to fruition, but at least someone tried a new idea.

The thing that people never seem to realize is how Apple supports it's products, especially iPods and iPhones. All of my cell-phones up to the iPhone had no support from their manufacturers months after they were launched.

No, there was no way to flash firmware in the pre-smartphone days other than using various ROM images and a basic flashing app. It was being introduced into Windows Mobile at about the same time the iPhone was released, but there was resistance.

Carriers were reluctant to allow users to upgrade smartphones because it meant supporting more versions on each network and they had to test them all. In each territory. And each territory has different tests. And different radio stacks/driver requirements. Apple did force their hand in this respect, but they weren't happy.

Carriers rule what device gets released, what software is on it, the updates that are released - everything. Microsoft were confused as it was the first time they were not in control and didn't have the final say. Apple got away with it because the product was good and everybody wanted one so the carriers were forced to be more flexible. Before that, they ruled with an iron fist (and to some extent still do).
 
2012-09-19 05:44:19 AM

magic_patch: My wife has had iPhones for ages.......I just got an S3.......This was a game changer for me,.....wanted a way to quickly and easily back up my pics......the iPhone wouldn't do that


Cut out the waffle and kept the meaning in your post.
 
2012-09-19 05:51:27 AM

magic_patch: ...I just got an S3...also amazing, although in some aspects (managing my music) not as slick as an iDevice. The reason I went for this and not an iPhone was your point 2, removable storage. I got an adapter which allows me to plug an SD card from my camera (or my camera directly if I could find the wire) straight in to the phone and view the files in a folder. I can then upload straight to Dropbox.

This was a game changer for me, I'll be travelling a lot next year and wanted a way to quickly and easily back up my pics without having to lug a laptop around or going to crappy internet cafes. Possibly a somewhat unique use case but the iPhone wouldn't do that, horses for courses I guess...


There is a precisely similar camera connect kit for iDevices. Can connect USB and SD cards directly to the iphone (or ipad, which is why I got it), so you can directly upload (or view them on the ipad 3's sweet screen) while still in the field.
 
2012-09-19 06:09:24 AM

magic_patch: I just got an S3...also amazing, although in some aspects (managing my music) not as slick as an iDevice. The reason I went for this and not an iPhone was your point 2, removable storage. I got an adapter which allows me to plug an SD card from my camera (or my camera directly if I could find the wire) straight in to the phone and view the files in a folder. I can then upload straight to Dropbox.

This was a game changer for me, I'll be travelling a lot next year and wanted a way to quickly and easily back up my pics without having to lug a laptop around or going to crappy internet cafes. Possibly a somewhat unique use case but the iPhone wouldn't do that, horses for courses I guess.


This may be relevant to your interests.

A WiFi enabled SD card that works in any camera that takes SD cards. Once the images are transferred to your Android/iOS device or computer, the space on the card is automatically freed allowing you to keep on taking pictures.

You can get a four Gig card for 40 bucks.
 
2012-09-19 06:22:37 AM
The first benchmark measuring stock devices doing something real people do with their phone just came out.

dl.dropbox.com

I'm also looking forward to the battery life comparisons where all the devices are doing the same amount of work. An updated version of this test, in essence.

dl.dropbox.com

The 5 is supposed to manage an extra two hours of web browsing using LTE. (over and above what the 4S could manage on old fashioned 3G) That would be an amazing leap since LTE is so much more power hungry.
 
2012-09-19 06:29:15 AM
i.imgur.com

/oblig
 
2012-09-19 06:31:49 AM

Satanus Maximus: I guess people don't realize the plethora of third party accessories that are out there to make up for iPhone shortcomings...


And now they will need either adapters or all new accessories when they go the iP5. Stuff happens. The Micro USB connector will probably change one day, too.

I am also one of those who doesn't get the whole Android / iPhone urinary trajectory contests. I personally chose Android, [mostly] because I wanted to get LTE while I could get Unlimited data, and [partly] because of a couple of specific apps.

But reasoned choices are not always allowed here on Fark or anywhere else when it comes to picking technology.
 
2012-09-19 06:33:55 AM
dang it ...they go WITH the iP5. (FTFM)
 
2012-09-19 07:10:05 AM
Who cares?

I'm about 6 months away from contract renewal. By this point, I'm normally watching the clock for when I can dump it in favour of New Awesome Phone With Lovely new Features. But I really don't care. My Nexus S is great, does nearly everything I want (sure javascript is better on newer phones, but meh...). I'm going to go SIM only, pay £15/month less, and when I want a new phone, I'll just buy one outright, probably 12-18 months after it's state of the art.
 
2012-09-19 07:19:44 AM

anwserman: Doesn't contain a removable battery - ok, fine. Use your phone like a reasonable human being and don't expect 100+ hours from a single battery charge.


That's not the real problem. After a couple of years of use, lithium ion batteries tend to be knackered and won't hold a charge for very long at all. So you then have to fork out another big chunk of money to Apple to keep on using the device you already paid a hefty sum for. Or you could get your soldering iron out, but I don't think the typical Apple user is going to do that.
 
2012-09-19 07:20:40 AM

Satanus Maximus: I guess people don't realize the plethora of third party accessories that are out there to make up for iPhone shortcomings...


I have to say that's one of the things that annoy me about Apple products.. people make excuses for the shortcomings. Not having a go at you personally, its just strange that other companies get justifiably criticized when they do things wrong ('but you can BUY an adapter to make up for that!') or hold back features ('I don't need NFC.. till the iPhone 6 has it and then it'll be the best thing evar!').

On the other hand, 'Microsoft is taking away my Start Menu? Windows 8 Sucks, you bastards!!'.

People need to be more critical.. the end result is better competition and cooler toys for us :)
 
2012-09-19 07:47:17 AM

Dunit: I don't need NFC


How about, "I don't need NFC because almost no stores accept NFC, yet pretty much every store allows you to accomplish the same goal by swiping a card?"

Then there is the part where using the fastest version of NFC for file transfers means data rates less than a tenth the speed of the slowest version of WiFi.

Sorry, but NFC isn't that damn cool.
 
2012-09-19 08:06:03 AM

Rising Ape: anwserman: Doesn't contain a removable battery - ok, fine. Use your phone like a reasonable human being and don't expect 100+ hours from a single battery charge.

That's not the real problem. After a couple of years of use, lithium ion batteries tend to be knackered and won't hold a charge for very long at all. So you then have to fork out another big chunk of money to Apple to keep on using the device you already paid a hefty sum for. Or you could get your soldering iron out, but I don't think the typical Apple user is going to do that.


Just because you have to remove a few screws and the back casing, doesn't mean the battery isn't replaceable. Last I heard, Apple will replace the battery for you, if you really can't be bothered.
 
2012-09-19 08:16:40 AM
And here's a link from an actual news organization: Christian Science Monitor, "10 ways the Android is better than iPhone5"

A lot of it is subjective, of course, but it makes some good points.

/Android owner

TL;DR:
1. The iPhone 5 still has a small screen
2. Near Field Communication
3. Customized desktop
4. Standard cables, docks, equates to less landfill waste
5. Many keyboard options
6. Attach any document or file to email
7. Share every which way you want
8. Access to all files and folders from your PC
9. Tactile feedback
10. Scribble notes (I've seen functionality like this on the iPad, though)
 
2012-09-19 08:26:32 AM

anwserman: WhyteRaven74: anwserman: Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

That comes down to the actual manufacturer of the phone.

I stated it because I found it humorous that most people who biatch about not being able to switch out iPhone batteries are Android users :)

Also, I own a Mac and 2 PC's. I am trying to become a full-time mobile software developer, so I need to program for both Android and iOS :)


Program called Bootcamp. Run OS X and Windows off your Mac.

/will never have to touch a blasted PC again
//Fark PC's.
 
2012-09-19 08:31:51 AM

TheTrashcanMan: anwserman: WhyteRaven74: anwserman: Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

That comes down to the actual manufacturer of the phone.

I stated it because I found it humorous that most people who biatch about not being able to switch out iPhone batteries are Android users :)

Also, I own a Mac and 2 PC's. I am trying to become a full-time mobile software developer, so I need to program for both Android and iOS :)

Program called Bootcamp. Run OS X and Windows off your Mac.

/will never have to touch a blasted PC again
//Fark PC's.


If you are booting into Windows you are touching it so your first slashy is pretty dumb. Just because there is an Apple logo on your laptop does not mean it's any different from a Windows one other than that logo and software.
 
2012-09-19 08:33:53 AM
While I have always been a Mac guy (proud owner of a 15" Mac Book Pro, Iphone 4, Ipad 2), I must say the BIGGEST reason why I will always stay with an iPhone is very simple: best responive touch screen keyboard out of all the devices I have tried and played around with. While I haven't touched the Galaxy S3 yet, every android on the market can't hold a candle to the iPhone's touch screen, which is a major plus for me and keeps things less frustrating.
 
2012-09-19 08:36:35 AM
S3 > i5

That is all.
 
2012-09-19 08:44:23 AM

TNel: TheTrashcanMan: anwserman: WhyteRaven74: anwserman: Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

That comes down to the actual manufacturer of the phone.

I stated it because I found it humorous that most people who biatch about not being able to switch out iPhone batteries are Android users :)

Also, I own a Mac and 2 PC's. I am trying to become a full-time mobile software developer, so I need to program for both Android and iOS :)

Program called Bootcamp. Run OS X and Windows off your Mac.

/will never have to touch a blasted PC again
//Fark PC's.

If you are booting into Windows you are touching it so your first slashy is pretty dumb. Just because there is an Apple logo on your laptop does not mean it's any different from a Windows one other than that logo and software.


Ah yes there is a difference. If you must code on both operating systems, Bootcamp is a great because you can escape the hell hole known as Windows with the simple click of a button. On a PC you stuck with that shiat.
 
2012-09-19 09:11:35 AM

TheTrashcanMan: T

Ah yes there is a difference. If you must code on both operating systems, Bootcamp is a great because you can escape the hell hole known as Windows with the simple click of a button. On a PC you stuck with that shiat.


But you are still booting windows fanboi. Face it your fabled OS for computers has a 7.78% market share it's really not that great or more people would be willing to use it.
 
2012-09-19 09:13:03 AM

Satanus Maximus: I guess people don't realize the plethora of third party accessories that are out there to make up for iPhone shortcomings...


I think there should be Wii U apps and peripherals to complete things.
 
2012-09-19 09:19:23 AM
www.techgadgets.in
Winner
 
2012-09-19 09:28:51 AM

TheTrashcanMan: anwserman: WhyteRaven74: anwserman: Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

That comes down to the actual manufacturer of the phone.

I stated it because I found it humorous that most people who biatch about not being able to switch out iPhone batteries are Android users :)

Also, I own a Mac and 2 PC's. I am trying to become a full-time mobile software developer, so I need to program for both Android and iOS :)

Program called Bootcamp. Run OS X and Windows off your Mac.

/will never have to touch a blasted PC again
//Fark PC's.


Translation: "I hate windows because I'm so awesome but I need to use windows so I buy it anyway and install two operating systems on my computer! You dumb asses who didn't spend a shiatload of money on hardware and only bought one operating system are just plain stupid!"

The worst possible case you can make for your operating system of choice is that it supports running the competitors operating system. The fact the boot camp even exists is a sign of whats wrong with the apple OS.

/I'll spare everyone from the linux superiority complex today
//I'm currently running windows anyway so I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't
 
2012-09-19 09:31:16 AM

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Winner


Looks like a triumph of design. Screen is protected when not in use and an easy keyboard interface.
 
2012-09-19 09:35:47 AM
FTFA: for the all important showing off to your friends

The heart and soul of iPhone fanatics. Note the wording: "all important".

I could not give a shiat what other people think of my phone ... maybe that I why I cannot understand the Apple worship.
 
2012-09-19 09:37:40 AM
TheTrashcanMan

jubageek.files.wordpress.com

Can't believe how many people are biting dude.. Well done! You're like a certain rabid Linux user here on Fark (not you, Egoy3k), only you're not on everyone's ignore list. I'd tone it down a bit.... if you make it too obvious, you won't get lasting results.
 
2012-09-19 09:50:41 AM
It does not support SD card or personalized GUI, hence it's automatically is not the best smartphone ever made.
 
2012-09-19 09:51:35 AM

anwserman: magic_patch: anwserman: I don't get the iPhone hate. It might not be the best phone in the market, but it works. I own an iPhone, and quite frankly a lot of the features that people complain that "aren't there" are just plain stupid.

1) Doesn't contain a removable battery - ok, fine. Use your phone like a reasonable human being and don't expect 100+ hours from a single battery charge. Out of all the people I met that have a cell-phone (because anecdotal evidence is the BEST), only 1 keeps are spare battery on him. Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

Long airplane ride? Buy a charger or get used to the fact you might have to read a book.

2) Removable storage - you want to take your music with you, that's understandable. But there's security and reliability concerns with supporting external flash memory (and accessing it uses up the battery faster too). If you want more storage, buy a bigger iPhone. Otherwise, you'll have to make concessions with what you have to bring with you to go, regardless if it's stored on internal or external memory, unless you carry multiple external flash cards with you?

3) No near-field communication - new, untested technology that is going through beginner stages of acceptance and usage. Things are bound to change over time. It'll get included into the iPhones when reliability, security, and consumer acceptance rise (think 3G on iPhones, wasn't included at launch until they found a way to not sacrifice battery life with it).

The thing that people never seem to realize is how Apple supports it's products, especially iPods and iPhones. All of my cell-phones up to the iPhone had no support from their manufacturers months after they were launched. This meant no firmware, baseband, software updates, etc. If there was a bug or something wrong with the phone, guess luck - we don't care. Even though they just retired the iPhone 3GS, it has had a shelf-life of 3 years and is gettin ...


Some of us use our phones as mini computers (as I am sure you do too) and like to have access to our data when not in range of a connection. This also applies to the removable battery. If I am using the GPS function on a camping or fishing trip, it is nice to know that you will be able to swap out the battery. Video and pics can take up a lot of storage and battery life as well. The iPhone is fine when you are connected to a fast network, but off-network it lacks the functionality that I rely on with my Android. Work uses iPhone (mainly due the point you bring up about support [due to the fact that there is 1 standardized platform]) and it is great for that, I just believe that the iPhone loses most of the functionality that I rely on when you are outside of a decent 3g network.
 
2012-09-19 10:03:12 AM

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Winner


Whoa, that's ugly.
 
2012-09-19 10:15:18 AM

magic_patch: The worst possible case you can make for your operating system of choice is that it supports running the competitors operating system. The fact the boot camp even exists is a sign of whats wrong with the apple OS.


Worst

possible case? No. Your logic is flawed.

I run Fusion on my mac and have VMs for XP, win 7, win 8, and Win server 2k8. There are occasions where, to service client networks, I need to replicate their environments. There are also rare occasions when only IE will do (such as remote access to SBS servers).

I run this way because for 99% of what I do, I find Mac and OSX to be far more suitable and grief free than Windows, and this is coming from a guy who makes his living supporting windows networks.

The fact that I have other OSes installed for the 1% doesn't all of a sudden make that 99% irrelevant.
 
2012-09-19 10:30:47 AM

Egoy3k: TheTrashcanMan: anwserman: WhyteRaven74: anwserman: Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

That comes down to the actual manufacturer of the phone.

I stated it because I found it humorous that most people who biatch about not being able to switch out iPhone batteries are Android users :)

Also, I own a Mac and 2 PC's. I am trying to become a full-time mobile software developer, so I need to program for both Android and iOS :)

Program called Bootcamp. Run OS X and Windows off your Mac.

/will never have to touch a blasted PC again
//Fark PC's.

Translation: "I hate windows because I'm so awesome but I need to use windows so I buy it anyway and install two operating systems on my computer! You dumb asses who didn't spend a shiatload of money on hardware and only bought one operating system are just plain stupid!"

The worst possible case you can make for your operating system of choice is that it supports running the competitors operating system. The fact the boot camp even exists is a sign of whats wrong with the apple OS.

/I'll spare everyone from the linux superiority complex today
//I'm currently running windows anyway so I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't


Having a computer that can run any intel operating system in the world is pretty useful if you're a systems professional. Extra points if the hardware is also gorgeous and built to last.

I've got plenty of problems with macOS, but it's ability to virtualize windows isn't one of them.

/for the record: non-merging file system operations, the ever-shrinking green-red-yellow window controls, forced obsolescence of snow leopard, bizarre folder layout for developer tools, python and ruby weirdness, $100 developer licenses, constantly evolving ports, opinionated scrolling, poor wifi performance, etc, etc. Perhaps it's because I use my Mac all day for getting work done, but I'm just not bothered by perceived superiority or other fanboy concerns.
 
2012-09-19 10:32:17 AM
Do people really think the iPhone is good looking? I have a friend who thinks her iPhone4 is beautiful, and I read an article about the iPhone5 today saying it was unquestionably the best looking smartphone out there... wtf? It's hideous.
 
2012-09-19 10:40:25 AM

RoxtarRyan: TheTrashcanMan

[jubageek.files.wordpress.com image 262x313]

Can't believe how many people are biting dude.. Well done! You're like a certain rabid Linux user here on Fark (not you, Egoy3k), only you're not on everyone's ignore list. I'd tone it down a bit.... if you make it too obvious, you won't get lasting results.


Fanboids ALWAYS take the bait, no matter how obvious. It's a galvanic response triggered by a static buildup in their neckbeards.
 
2012-09-19 10:50:05 AM
two things that struck me last time I tried to use my friend's iPhone:
1. can't transfer file/pictures through blue tooth
2. no widgets

sorry.. but these two make the iPhone nowhere close to best smart phone ever made..
 
2012-09-19 10:51:47 AM
Apple will announce NFC when they have a system in place to monetize or control every transaction using it.

The technology has been around for years and in use in China, Germany, and Austria, and probably a few more countries I cannot think of.

The Iphone 5 was a marginal upgrad to the 4s, which is a a marginal upgrade to the 4...
 
2012-09-19 11:02:15 AM

Slaxl: Do people really think the iPhone is good looking? I have a friend who thinks her iPhone4 is beautiful, and I read an article about the iPhone5 today saying it was unquestionably the best looking smartphone out there... wtf? It's hideous.


The iPhone 4 was relatively 'beautiful' at the time it was launched, but like last year's car model, it now looks dated compared to other newer models. Except in Apple's case they didn't update the design of the new model, they stretched it.

The new iPhone 5 design fails because the design was not designed for those proportions, it was designed for the proportions of the iPhone 4. Elongating it, without considering any of the other proportions, has changed the form for the worse.
 
2012-09-19 11:13:23 AM

digistil: anwserman: I don't get the iPhone hate.

If you follow politics: iHaters are the birthers of the tech world.


Nah, it's the other way around. iFanboys are cultish and poorly informed, much like the teahadists.
 
2012-09-19 12:16:57 PM

TheTrashcanMan: TNel: TheTrashcanMan: anwserman: WhyteRaven74: anwserman: Because the Android phone he has to begin with has crap battery life to begin with.

That comes down to the actual manufacturer of the phone.

I stated it because I found it humorous that most people who biatch about not being able to switch out iPhone batteries are Android users :)

Also, I own a Mac and 2 PC's. I am trying to become a full-time mobile software developer, so I need to program for both Android and iOS :)

Program called Bootcamp. Run OS X and Windows off your Mac.

/will never have to touch a blasted PC again
//Fark PC's.

If you are booting into Windows you are touching it so your first slashy is pretty dumb. Just because there is an Apple logo on your laptop does not mean it's any different from a Windows one other than that logo and software.

Ah yes there is a difference. If you must code on both operating systems, Bootcamp is a great because you can escape the hell hole known as Windows with the simple click of a button. On a PC you stuck with that shiat.


Muffugas be all like "windows is cool n shiat" and I tell muffagas get the fark out nomesayin.
 
2012-09-19 01:07:50 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Nah, it's the other way around. iFanboys are cultish and poorly informed, much like the teahadists.


You just proved my point. Thank you.

In the past Mac fanbois would taught superior specs and call Windows users ill-informed know-nothings. Windows users didn't care because things were working well for them on Windows and had no reason to switch.

Flash forward to today where Apple customers buy Apple products because it fills their needs, much like Windows customers back in the day (and now). The dbags are the people that wrongly believe they know everyone else's needs better.
 
2012-09-19 02:12:15 PM
iPhone is a smart car, its trendy and quaint and it works. It'll get you from point A. to point B.

Android is a muscle car. Superior hardware and infinitely moddable, but sometimes it crashes in a drag race.
 
2012-09-19 03:00:43 PM

Rising Ape: anwserman: Doesn't contain a removable battery - ok, fine. Use your phone like a reasonable human being and don't expect 100+ hours from a single battery charge.

That's not the real problem. After a couple of years of use, lithium ion batteries tend to be knackered and won't hold a charge for very long at all. So you then have to fork out another big chunk of money to Apple to keep on using the device you already paid a hefty sum for. Or you could get your soldering iron out, but I don't think the typical Apple user is going to do that.


This is the primary complaint I hear of iP* users after about a year, year and a half of use. They're afraid to use their phone because of the charge. My friend's iP4 user went from 60% to dead while we went out for a day (noonish to about 8pm). I went from 80% to 20% on my Galaxy Nexus despite I did quite a bit extra (GPS navigation for about 40 minutes, tethering to another device for 10 minutes, plus a bunch of other things that he didn't do). Another one complained about it after she left work, took a wrong turn somewhere. During our convo, I said "you have a gps in your pocket" and she's all "no, but I was running out of power" (and this is after her 3G s did similar!)

Thankfully, because of the wonderful invention of a battery door, I ordered a super-extended battery that is rated at 3,400mAH -- it should last a day of stupidly heavy use (like I turn off my phone's standby completely).
 
2012-09-19 03:15:29 PM

BullBearMS: The first benchmark measuring stock devices doing something real people do with their phone just came out.

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x570]

I'm also looking forward to the battery life comparisons where all the devices are doing the same amount of work. An updated version of this test, in essence.

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x600]

The 5 is supposed to manage an extra two hours of web browsing using LTE. (over and above what the 4S could manage on old fashioned 3G) That would be an amazing leap since LTE is so much more power hungry.


I do love how you post benchmarks only when it's in your favour.

Remember when the Nexus One was beating a i4 on all browser tests? I bet you weren't including those. You also realize that you're only "saving" about a half second when comparing to phones released in the 3-4 months (except the Evo4G.

Where's the chart where the Moto RAZR Maxx doubles battery life of a 4s?

Give it about a month or two. New devices (i.e. ones that are based off of the ARM Cortex-A15 processor -- as the i5 is) will beat / demolishes all of these benchmarks. Then these links will go away until next year. =P 

/new phone beats out old phone benchmarks
//revolutionary!
 
2012-09-19 04:26:38 PM

Slaxl: Do people really think the iPhone is good looking? I have a friend who thinks her iPhone4 is beautiful, and I read an article about the iPhone5 today saying it was unquestionably the best looking smartphone out there... wtf? It's hideous.


The materials and build quality are top notch. No creaky plastic housing - glass and metal. There is a lot to be said for building something that feels like a swiss watch or a high end camera when you operate it.

Apple has pushed the tolerances to the limit on every version of the phone - I doubt the new one is going to be any different. Love or hate them, the hardware they make is nice.
 
2012-09-19 04:28:41 PM

fo_sho!: Slaxl: Do people really think the iPhone is good looking? I have a friend who thinks her iPhone4 is beautiful, and I read an article about the iPhone5 today saying it was unquestionably the best looking smartphone out there... wtf? It's hideous.

The materials and build quality are top notch. No creaky plastic housing - glass and metal. There is a lot to be said for building something that feels like a swiss watch or a high end camera when you operate it.

Apple has pushed the tolerances to the limit on every version of the phone - I doubt the new one is going to be any different. Love or hate them, the hardware they make is nice.


Plastic cases have better signal strength than metal cases so I'll take plastic any day of the week.
 
2012-09-19 04:44:57 PM

Kimpak: iPhone is a smart car, its trendy and quaint and it works. It'll get you from point A. to point B.

Android is a muscle car. Superior hardware and infinitely moddable, but sometimes it crashes in a drag race.


iPhone is a Camry LE. Android is a BMW 328i.
 
2012-09-19 05:14:01 PM

woodstock827: 1. can't transfer file/pictures through blue tooth


Why would you go through the hassle of Bluetooth when there's wifi?!
 
2012-09-19 06:18:45 PM

TNel: fo_sho!: Slaxl: Do people really think the iPhone is good looking? I have a friend who thinks her iPhone4 is beautiful, and I read an article about the iPhone5 today saying it was unquestionably the best looking smartphone out there... wtf? It's hideous.

The materials and build quality are top notch. No creaky plastic housing - glass and metal. There is a lot to be said for building something that feels like a swiss watch or a high end camera when you operate it.

Apple has pushed the tolerances to the limit on every version of the phone - I doubt the new one is going to be any different. Love or hate them, the hardware they make is nice.

Plastic cases have better signal strength than metal cases so I'll take plastic any day of the week.


It's metal and glass, not just metal. Plastic is radiolucent and far from brittle, but cheap and does not wear well over the 2+ years a typical person owns a phone.
 
2012-09-19 06:35:29 PM

Satanus Maximus: I guess people don't realize the plethora of third party accessories that are out there to make up for iPhone shortcomings...


Which accessory allows for third-party OS's? Which accessory allows me to add a slide-out keyboard? Which one makes the screen larger? Oh, can you point me towards an accessory that allows the iPhone to work with any cell provider in the world? Has someone invented an accessory that allows you to completely, 100% modify the UI? Is there an accessory that adds a memory slot? Built in USB port? HDMI port? How about live backgrounds?

/Didn't think so.
 
2012-09-19 08:42:14 PM

SleepingEye: Where's the chart where the Moto RAZR Maxx doubles battery life of a 4s?


dl.dropbox.com

Here you go. Notice that the RAZR Maxx doesn't quite make it five hours when web browsing over LTE. In comparison, the iPhone 5 manages 8 hours of web browsing over LTE.

The new iPhone spanks the current Android line. Both in performance and in battery life.
 
2012-09-19 08:52:07 PM

BullBearMS: SleepingEye: Where's the chart where the Moto RAZR Maxx doubles battery life of a 4s?

[dl.dropbox.com image 508x274]

Here you go. Notice that the RAZR Maxx doesn't quite make it five hours when web browsing over LTE. In comparison, the iPhone 5 manages 8 hours of web browsing over LTE.

The new iPhone spanks the current Android line. Both in performance and in battery life.


We only have the figures apple gives us for the iphone 5, since it is not in the real world yet.

Android has had panoramic camera shots for quite some time, especially on 2 year old phones, which have also been lte for for 2 years. No to mention having 8 mega pixel cameras, hell there is an android with a 12 mega pixel.

I am an escalation manager in an ATT call center, give me a month and I will get back with some real figures for you on battery life.
 
2012-09-19 09:00:37 PM

theflatline: BullBearMS: SleepingEye: Where's the chart where the Moto RAZR Maxx doubles battery life of a 4s?

[dl.dropbox.com image 508x274]

Here you go. Notice that the RAZR Maxx doesn't quite make it five hours when web browsing over LTE. In comparison, the iPhone 5 manages 8 hours of web browsing over LTE.

The new iPhone spanks the current Android line. Both in performance and in battery life.

We only have the figures apple gives us for the iphone 5, since it is not in the real world yet.

Android has had panoramic camera shots for quite some time, especially on 2 year old phones, which have also been lte for for 2 years. No to mention having 8 mega pixel cameras, hell there is an android with a 12 mega pixel.

I am an escalation manager in an ATT call center, give me a month and I will get back with some real figures for you on battery life.


Engadget has a review:

On our standard battery rundown test, in which we loop a video with LTE and WiFi enabled and social accounts pinging at regular intervals, the iPhone 5 managed a hugely impressive 11 hours and 15 minutes. That's just 10 minutes shy of the Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx.
 
2012-09-19 09:17:01 PM
I played with an iPhone 5 for about an hour today (I work in the industry and got access to them today).

Pretty underwhelming for the most part. It is very thin and light, but it's almost too thin to comfortably text with. I would have preferred it to be a little thicker.

Taking away the rear glass makes it feel like less of a 'high-end' device, IMO, compared to the 4/4S. Also the matte aluminum back (it's not quite what you would call 'brushed' aluminum - just more of a matte finish) collected smudges and fingerprints easily from skin oils that did not wipe away as easily as they do from glass.

I tried out the new Maps. It's nice enough. It does 3D terrain, which is cool, but I compared it to Google Earth and Google Maps (on my Galaxy S3) and Earth's 3D imagery was better - Google's aerial views were much sharper and better defined, and allowed for closer aerial zooms (in both Google Earth and Google Maps). As an aside, I think it's about time Google rolled Maps and Earth into one application... it's weird that they have two different apps with so many overlapping functions. Just add navigation to Earth and call it a day...

I did not try out the turn-by-turn nav on the iPhone because I was at work and not going anywhere.

I also tested out the panoramic photo function and compared it to my Galaxy. Quality looked about the same, but the iPhone seemed to only let you take panoramic photos with the phone held in portrait mode, while the S3 allowed me to do it in both orientations. Also, the first time I tried it with the iPhone the camera app dumped me back to the homescreen (app crashed). It worked when I reopened the camera, though.

I was not permitted to put an account on the phone and install apps, so I didn't get to test out how legacy apps look on the phone (with the 'letterbox' and all).

It definitely renders webpages faster than the 4S. I had both the S3 and the iPhone on wifi and the iPhone seemed slightly faster at loading webpages. Google Now was still faster at responding and giving results than Siri was for some reason, though.

The phone and screen still seem tiny, even with the increased size. The Galaxy s3's screen is larger by almost an entire finger width in both height and width. The difference was most apparent when I was viewing webpages and maps side-by-side. For example, I found the exact same views in the maps applications - a river in my hometown. I oriented the aerial views the exact same way, and adjusted the zoom so the river was the exact same width on both phones, so I knew the zoom levels were identical (I set the phones side by side so it appeared that the river 'flowed' from one phone to the other seamlessly). The larger screen on the S3 allowed me to see much more of the surrounding land at one time at the same zoom level. It's the same with webpages - with text zoomed at the same level, one can see a lot more of the webpage at the same time on the Galaxy.

Pretty much every other aspect of the phone not mentioned above was indistinguishable from the 4S.

My thoughts on it:

It's a nice phone, no question, though it feels cheaper than its predecessor in the hand. It's TOO thin and TOO light - it feels chintzier. The 'heft' of the 4S, by comparison, and the glass back, feels more luxuriant than the 5, and it's so thin that it's awkward to text with. I think phones have gotten as thin as they ever need to be while still being ergonomic, and going any thinner is a detriment. That said, pretty much everyone puts a case on their phones these days, so these aspects will be nullified for most people.

My impression is that this is the first time that Apple hasn't leapfrogged the competition with a new phone launch. When the 4 was launched, it was a huge jump up from the 3GS and Apple leapfrogged everybody with such features as a glass-and-metal build quality, IPS display, big bump in processing power, etc.

The 4S was an incremental upgrade, but it kept Apple equal to or around the level of the competition. They did create a new demand with the introduction of Siri.

This time, however, I feel that they're merely catching up to the competition. New Android 'superphones' are coming out every month. It's like watching evolution take place in fast-forward. Bigger screens, faster processors, new features like NFC, etc. I do not feel the iPhone 5 is as good a phone as my highly customizeable Galaxy S3 (disclaimer: I am rooted and running the Jellybean-based CyanogenMod, so I'm not running Samsung's stock Touchwiz interface). Apple is just now bringing features to the table that have been available on Android forever (panoramic photos? really? that's a keynote speech feature?). Google Now trumps Siri in a number of ways. The iPhone's screen is still tiny compared to the Galaxy and other 'superphones'. It's just a little taller than the old display - it feels like a half-step upgrade.

The fact that this release is 'merely catching up' to other phones on the market is especially notable when you realize that they won't be releasing the next model for another year. I'm not going to say that Apple will suffer because of this - it will still sell in droves, no doubt - but I do think that 2013 will see more marketshare growth for Android and Windows Phone (I personally can't wait to get my hands on the new Nokia Lumia and play with it).
 
2012-09-19 09:22:06 PM

fo_sho!: On our standard battery rundown test, in which we loop a video with LTE and WiFi enabled and social accounts pinging at regular intervals, the iPhone 5 managed a hugely impressive 11 hours and 15 minutes. That's just 10 minutes shy of the Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx.


As far as I'm concerned, web browsing is the real test with LTE phones.

LTE is extremely power hungry. If you aren't actually using the LTE radio, it's not a real test of battery life. Only having Facebook and Twitter look for updates periodically doesn't really use the LTE radio much at all.

Playing a video that is already on the phone doesn't even really light up the CPU anymore as the GPU handles rendering video by itself now days.

With web browsing, you've got the LTE radio constantly downloading data and the CPU constantly rendering web pages.

theflatline: We only have the figures apple gives us for the iphone 5, since it is not in the real world yet.


As Anandtech has pointed out, Apple's battery life estimates tend to be conservative.
 
2012-09-19 10:43:53 PM
Can I attach a business document to an email with it? Can I access its folders, and move shiat around? Can I use a regular, run-of-the-mill USB cord to plug it into shiat?

No?

Nice paperweight you have there. Call me on my Galaxy when you make a smartphone that actually does basic shiat.
 
2012-09-20 12:34:27 AM

Quadruple Entendre: Can I attach a business document to an email with it? Can I access its folders, and move shiat around? Can I use a regular, run-of-the-mill USB cord to plug it into shiat?

No?

Nice paperweight you have there. Call me on my Galaxy when you make a smartphone that actually does basic shiat.


I just read your post and instantly threw my phone in the garbage. I wish I talked to you before i bought it, I had no idea that I needed to do those things in the first place...
 
2012-09-20 02:20:26 AM

BullBearMS: Dunit: I don't need NFC

How about, "I don't need NFC because almost no stores accept NFC, yet pretty much every store allows you to accomplish the same goal by swiping a card?"

Then there is the part where using the fastest version of NFC for file transfers means data rates less than a tenth the speed of the slowest version of WiFi.

Sorry, but NFC isn't that damn cool.


I think you missed the point of the sentence. The ".. till the iPhone 6 has it and then it'll be the best thing evar!" part.

The technical drawbacks/merits of NFC are irrelevant. Its the "I dont need it/Wow that's the BEST" about face when it suits is the issue. It's the "I never use MMS/Cut & Paste (etc etc)/THE NEW IPHONE CAN!" thing all over again.
 
2012-09-20 09:07:37 AM
See but the thing is, it IS the best

/not a fanboi, just recognizes hard data
 
2012-09-20 09:20:25 AM

Reverend Monkeypants: See but the thing is, it IS the best

/not a fanboi, just recognizes hard data


LOL

/I assume your slashie was you being ironic
//right?
 
2012-09-20 10:14:24 AM

Farking Canuck: Reverend Monkeypants: See but the thing is, it IS the best

/not a fanboi, just recognizes hard data

LOL

/I assume your slashie was you being ironic
//right?


Sadly no. As much as I dislike Apple I've found every single Android phone to be clunky, unweildy and just not as awesome as they could be. !!!!As far as USING the device is concerned. Sure, I can tweak the hell out of a droid phone, hack it, make it mine, hell MAYBE even get Ardour to run on it if I hire a development team.

Simply put, IMO, Out-Of-The-Box the iPhone simply kicks all of their asses. In the "simply" part especially... never mind the battery life claims and lack of needing to re-boot your phone sometimes or questionable softwarez...
 
2012-09-20 10:48:50 AM

Reverend Monkeypants: Simply put, IMO, Out-Of-The-Box the iPhone simply kicks all of their asses. In the "simply" part especially... never mind the battery life claims and lack of needing to re-boot your phone sometimes or questionable softwarez...


You use the word simple a lot. It does seem to be a good description of people who like being told how they have to use their phone:
- want a spare battery? Steve says you don't want one.
- want external storage? Nope, Steve says you don't need that either
- want a physical keyboard? Steve likes on-screen ... let's go with that.
- want a bigger or smaller phone? Steve says "no, the latest iPhone is just right for you".
- want a bigger screen? Steve says our screen is the right size ... until we release our next phone with a bigger screen, then that is the right size for you (rinse, repeat)
- want to install any software you want? Steve is going to make sure it is all very morally sound for you ... big brother Steve is watching
- want to use an app store other than Steve's? Ha ha. No!

It is the KISS principle alright.
 
2012-09-20 11:13:58 AM

Farking Canuck: Reverend Monkeypants: Simply put, IMO, Out-Of-The-Box the iPhone simply kicks all of their asses. In the "simply" part especially... never mind the battery life claims and lack of needing to re-boot your phone sometimes or questionable softwarez...

You use the word simple a lot. It does seem to be a good description of people who like being told how they have to use their phone:
- want a spare battery? Steve says you don't want one.
- want external storage? Nope, Steve says you don't need that either
- want a physical keyboard? Steve likes on-screen ... let's go with that.
- want a bigger or smaller phone? Steve says "no, the latest iPhone is just right for you".
- want a bigger screen? Steve says our screen is the right size ... until we release our next phone with a bigger screen, then that is the right size for you (rinse, repeat)
- want to install any software you want? Steve is going to make sure it is all very morally sound for you ... big brother Steve is watching
- want to use an app store other than Steve's? Ha ha. No!

It is the KISS principle alright.


For what? For what? For what? For what?
You've proved my point, thank you.
Yes, and what I want is to spend hours and hours researching whether or not the software I'm going to purchase works on my particular phone.

LOOK, I'm a computer freak. I have linux boxes, audio boxes, multi-media boxes, gaming boxes, been programming since the C64 HELLO. I'm not a technological idiot in any way. Your problems/grunts listed there are things you'd like included in your TELEPHONE. Seriously.

Howsabout my list of things I don't want:
want to hunt around wondering if the software you want even works on your phone?
want to puzzle over why you can't even find softeware to do what you want?
want to spend hours tweaking your phone?
want to subsist on often buggy software?
want to STILL spend way to much for a glorified telephone?

FFarksSake, I can connect a "professional" eight channel USB audio device to my iPhone and record eight separate sources for hours and hours without a bug or a hiccup. Android does this? Not that I'm aware of... In any way,

O, AND you Farks crapping on about "panoramic"???? You've been able to do this with an iPhone since the 3 with third party software. Now it's just included. NOT included in Driod, is it?
 
2012-09-20 11:33:20 AM
Reverend Monkeypants:

Ummm ... having "to spend hours and hours researching whether or not the software I'm going to purchase works on my particular phone". WTF?? Are you completely computer illiterate??

I am on my 4th android phone (plus a Nexus 7 tablet) and I have never concerned myself with 'researching what software works'. Your whine list seems to be a testament to your incompetence.

I agree with you ... you really should use an iPhone. I think it is 'simple' enough for you to use. In fact, I think Steve had you in mind when he decided to make things 'simple'.

/and listing one iPhone app as evidence of anything??!? Should I start listing Android apps that the iPhone doesn't have? Would that prove anything??
 
2012-09-20 12:15:41 PM

Farking Canuck: Reverend Monkeypants:

Ummm ... having "to spend hours and hours researching whether or not the software I'm going to purchase works on my particular phone". WTF?? Are you completely computer illiterate??

I am on my 4th android phone (plus a Nexus 7 tablet) and I have never concerned myself with 'researching what software works'. Your whine list seems to be a testament to your incompetence.

I agree with you ... you really should use an iPhone. I think it is 'simple' enough for you to use. In fact, I think Steve had you in mind when he decided to make things 'simple'.

/and listing one iPhone app as evidence of anything??!? Should I start listing Android apps that the iPhone doesn't have? Would that prove anything??


Heck if you use the Amazon app store it will tell you if the app will work or not for your phone.
 
2012-09-20 01:31:48 PM

TNel: Farking Canuck: Reverend Monkeypants:

Ummm ... having "to spend hours and hours researching whether or not the software I'm going to purchase works on my particular phone". WTF?? Are you completely computer illiterate??

I am on my 4th android phone (plus a Nexus 7 tablet) and I have never concerned myself with 'researching what software works'. Your whine list seems to be a testament to your incompetence.

I agree with you ... you really should use an iPhone. I think it is 'simple' enough for you to use. In fact, I think Steve had you in mind when he decided to make things 'simple'.

/and listing one iPhone app as evidence of anything??!? Should I start listing Android apps that the iPhone doesn't have? Would that prove anything??

Heck if you use the Amazon app store it will tell you if the app will work or not for your phone.


The Google store only displays apps that are certified for your version of the O/S. My Nexus 7 has Jellybean on it and not all developers have flagged their apps as compatible as it is so new. So there were more than a few missing when I first got the tablet.
 
2012-09-22 03:42:20 AM

Honest Bender: Satanus Maximus: I guess people don't realize the plethora of third party accessories that are out there to make up for iPhone shortcomings...

Which accessory allows for third-party OS's? Which accessory allows me to add a slide-out keyboard? Which one makes the screen larger? Oh, can you point me towards an accessory that allows the iPhone to work with any cell provider in the world? Has someone invented an accessory that allows you to completely, 100% modify the UI? Is there an accessory that adds a memory slot? Built in USB port? HDMI port? How about live backgrounds?

/Didn't think so.


I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were looking for some super-duper-made-especially-for-Honest Bender-only phone or a desktop PC. You'll find them next to the "shovel for that sand in your vagina" aisle.
 
2012-09-22 12:18:24 PM

Satanus Maximus: Honest Bender: Satanus Maximus: I guess people don't realize the plethora of third party accessories that are out there to make up for iPhone shortcomings...

Which accessory allows for third-party OS's? Which accessory allows me to add a slide-out keyboard? Which one makes the screen larger? Oh, can you point me towards an accessory that allows the iPhone to work with any cell provider in the world? Has someone invented an accessory that allows you to completely, 100% modify the UI? Is there an accessory that adds a memory slot? Built in USB port? HDMI port? How about live backgrounds?

/Didn't think so.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were looking for some super-duper-made-especially-for-Honest Bender-only phone or a desktop PC. You'll find them next to the "shovel for that sand in your vagina" aisle.


No. He is looking for choice and options ... which is what Apple refuses to offer. Which is fine for people who want to be told how to do everything. Not fine for the rest of is.
 
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