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(Philly.com)   Sir, we WILL sue you if you don't replace the 40 tons of trash and broken glass to the vacant lot you cleaned and landscaped   (articles.philly.com) divider line 168
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2012-09-18 08:52:40 PM
Go right ahead. Good luck finding a jury to convict.
 
2012-09-18 08:53:52 PM
They pretty much have to or they're inviting random people to start messing around on the other 1,499 lots they have. If some dumbass hurts themselves on another lot while cleaning or whatever, then the city is liable for more than it would cost to clean up every lot in the city.

If I were the city manager, I'd go to the guy that cleaned it in private and go "thanks, but you'll never hear me say it again, though. I'm going to make some real threatening comments in public, just ignore them but I really need to do it or every dumbass in the city will be playing with power tools in every vacant lot for 100 miles. Sorry but people are dumbasses. Seriously, thanks though"
 
2012-09-18 09:07:26 PM
Here's what Feibush finds funny about the situation: In the past few years, he's received three citations from the city fining him for not removing the snow from the sidewalk in front of this lot. Last August, he received a citation for the trash on the lot.

Sounds like they considered the trash and the lot his responsibility to me.
 
2012-09-18 09:41:43 PM
Put. Ze garbage. Beck.
 
2012-09-18 09:43:04 PM

SnakeLee: They pretty much have to or they're inviting random people to start messing around on the other 1,499 lots they have. If some dumbass hurts themselves on another lot while cleaning or whatever, then the city is liable for more than it would cost to clean up every lot in the city.

If I were the city manager, I'd go to the guy that cleaned it in private and go "thanks, but you'll never hear me say it again, though. I'm going to make some real threatening comments in public, just ignore them but I really need to do it or every dumbass in the city will be playing with power tools in every vacant lot for 100 miles. Sorry but people are dumbasses. Seriously, thanks though"


Who is to say that this isn't exactly what is happening?

Or they could be serious and upset because he didn't use the approved junk removal company.

It will be fun to see just how long it takes for this lot to return to its previous state of trash filled and overgrown. The city sure isn't going to spend any funds maintaining the landscaping.
 
2012-09-18 09:46:51 PM
It actually is an interesting issue.  Make a community livable by creating a garden BAM up goes a condo on said garden.
 
Lower East Side was a case in point.  I can't afford to live there anymore.  Shiate got fixed.
 
2012-09-18 09:56:05 PM
Well, were there 27 8x10 glossy photos with circles and arrows on the front and a paragraph on the back explaining what each one was?
 
2012-09-18 10:05:42 PM
I must be old because the first thing I thought of when I saw the improvements was "who gets sued when someone gets hurt falling off one of the benches"?

Apparently, the lot was bought by the city in the late 70s and then it just sat on it. That's not very good development there, Lou.
 
2012-09-18 10:05:48 PM
Is it Thanksgiving already?
 
2012-09-18 10:07:12 PM

Chevello: SnakeLee: They pretty much have to or they're inviting random people to start messing around on the other 1,499 lots they have. If some dumbass hurts themselves on another lot while cleaning or whatever, then the city is liable for more than it would cost to clean up every lot in the city.

If I were the city manager, I'd go to the guy that cleaned it in private and go "thanks, but you'll never hear me say it again, though. I'm going to make some real threatening comments in public, just ignore them but I really need to do it or every dumbass in the city will be playing with power tools in every vacant lot for 100 miles. Sorry but people are dumbasses. Seriously, thanks though"

Who is to say that this isn't exactly what is happening?

Or they could be serious and upset because he didn't use the approved junk removal company.

It will be fun to see just how long it takes for this lot to return to its previous state of trash filled and overgrown. The city sure isn't going to spend any funds maintaining the landscaping.


They're probably trying to prevent adverse possession.
 
2012-09-18 10:08:21 PM

simplicimus: Well, were there 27 8x10 glossy photos with circles and arrows on the front and a paragraph on the back explaining what each one was?


Damn, beat me to it.
 
2012-09-18 10:08:54 PM
That sounds just like Filthydeathia to me.
 
2012-09-18 10:09:12 PM
I think the neighbors should counter-sue the city for failing to maintain its property, thereby causing a direct harm to their own property values.
 
2012-09-18 10:09:37 PM
clean-up and leave a group-W bench
 
2012-09-18 10:10:12 PM
You didn't build that.

/good on ya
 
2012-09-18 10:11:26 PM
Once again....a PRIVATE person (or company) comes in and does something nice,
something the "government" should have done, and the government doesn't like it.
See, we can get along just fine, if the flippin' government would just get the hell out
of the way!
 
2012-09-18 10:12:01 PM

Enema Man: Is it Thanksgiving already?


I can't bring myself to mentally replay the whole thing, but, can you please tell me why this is a Thanksgiving tradition?

/taught myself the guitar riff in college - it seemed more useful at the time than actually studying.
//er, my FIRST college, who kicked me out for, um, not studying.
 
2012-09-18 10:12:16 PM
Sounds like the government officials involved have a power complex. That and they didn't want to have to maintain the lot or have any liability for it so they put up big barriers and kept the weeds there to keep people from trespassing on it. Now that people can and will use the space, they have some liability for it which they have to pay for so they are pissed. They should just deal with it and sell the lot to the guy, but the guy has backed them into a corner to get the lot and now they would prefer to f*ck him over than work with him.
 
2012-09-18 10:13:54 PM
So Joe Sixpack, then Pizza Brain and now Ori? Glad to have a Philly Trifecta this week. Even cooler that I know 2/3 personally and support them all.
 
2012-09-18 10:14:02 PM
Welcome to Philly. They'd be ecstatic if he did that in Detroit, or at least until they figured out a way to make money by citing him like Philly has. They get paid and the work is done, that's a great deal for them. Hence the apathy toward lots like this. When the people around it get sick of its condition they win no matter what, and all they had to do was nothing.
 
2012-09-18 10:14:05 PM
Can't imagine why people distrust the bureaucracy.
 
2012-09-18 10:14:28 PM

WTP 2: clean-up and leave a group-W bench


Kid, What'd you get?
 
2012-09-18 10:14:54 PM

Girion47: Chevello: SnakeLee: T

Who is to say that this isn't exactly what is happening?


They're probably trying to prevent adverse possession.


This: We've been maintaining the property while the city hasn't, it's our right under blah,blah, blah that we attain ownership of the property!
 
2012-09-18 10:15:14 PM

SnakeLee: They pretty much have to or they're inviting random people to start messing around on the other 1,499 lots they have. If some dumbass hurts themselves on another lot while cleaning or whatever, then the city is liable for more than it would cost to clean up every lot in the city."


Right, except the city doesn't shovel sidewalks or maintain any of their property, so they are already opening themselves up to lawsuits. I'm not sure about the city itself, but our transit authority gets sued over 3,000 times a year. Imagine being the solicitor for SEPTA and being served more than 10 times a day, every day of the year.

Ori has been trying to buy this property for years, but the councilperson is saving it for a favored campaign donor. 

Also, the city controls over 15,000 lots through various agencies.
 
2012-09-18 10:17:24 PM

Palvar: SnakeLee: They pretty much have to or they're inviting random people to start messing around on the other 1,499 lots they have. If some dumbass hurts themselves on another lot while cleaning or whatever, then the city is liable for more than it would cost to clean up every lot in the city."

Right, except the city doesn't shovel sidewalks or maintain any of their property, so they are already opening themselves up to lawsuits. I'm not sure about the city itself, but our transit authority gets sued over 3,000 times a year. Imagine being the solicitor for SEPTA and being served more than 10 times a day, every day of the year.

Ori has been trying to buy this property for years, but the councilperson is saving it for a favored campaign donor. 

Also, the city controls over 15,000 lots through various agencies.


He's not playing the game right then. He would have been better off spending $20000 on winning election against the councilperson involved, then getting government money to pay for cleaning up the property followed by a shady deal in which he claims possession of the property for a minimal amount.
 
2012-09-18 10:17:45 PM
The city could have just kept their yaps shut and been happy one thing has been crossed of the to-do list without ANY cost to the city or taxpayers. Instead, they want the trash back. The stupid -- it's strong in the council.
 
2012-09-18 10:17:46 PM

djh0101010: Enema Man: Is it Thanksgiving already?

I can't bring myself to mentally replay the whole thing, but, can you please tell me why this is a Thanksgiving tradition?

/taught myself the guitar riff in college - it seemed more useful at the time than actually studying.
//er, my FIRST college, who kicked me out for, um, not studying.


The trash got thrown into the ravine because the dump was closed.

It being Thanksgiving Day.

in the song
 
2012-09-18 10:18:09 PM
this is why we can't have nice things
 
2012-09-18 10:19:19 PM

djh0101010: Enema Man: Is it Thanksgiving already?

I can't bring myself to mentally replay the whole thing, but, can you please tell me why this is a Thanksgiving tradition?

/taught myself the guitar riff in college - it seemed more useful at the time than actually studying.
//er, my FIRST college, who kicked me out for, um, not studying.


Well, if you have 23 minutes to waste, Link. Just wait for it to come around again on the guitar.
 
2012-09-18 10:20:23 PM
shouldn't this sort of garbage be on the politics tab, and refuse'd from the front page?
 
2012-09-18 10:20:51 PM

Relatively Obscure: Here's what Feibush finds funny about the situation: In the past few years, he's received three citations from the city fining him for not removing the snow from the sidewalk in front of this lot. Last August, he received a citation for the trash on the lot.

Sounds like they considered the trash and the lot his responsibility to me.


I concur. Any decent lawyer will turn this into his Get Out of Lawsuit Free card. If they make him put it back, he can use this to bill the city for it.
 
2012-09-18 10:21:50 PM

loonatic112358: shouldn't this sort of garbage be on the politics tab, and refuse'd from the front page?


Nah, nobody takes out the trash on the politics tab.
 
2012-09-18 10:22:23 PM

simplicimus: Nah, nobody takes out the trash on the politics tab.


of course, it's late the dumps closed, just go throw it over a cliff
 
2012-09-18 10:22:35 PM

darkone: this is why we can't have nice things


"They don't like nice things,"
 
2012-09-18 10:23:57 PM
Real estate guy owns property adjacent to the trash lot, says that he offered to buy it multiple times. The government has no records of any attempt to purchase or lease the property. He goes out to the local government and claims that the lot is a threat to him, and told not to do anything because he doesn't own the property, responding to him both verbally and in writing. He does so anyway. When confronted with this action, he responds:

"They don't like nice things," he said. "For a private developer to create a garden, it's a question of who gets credit. To do it without their blessing, you're basically insulting them."

Yes, truly that's what they cared about. Not that you were some sleazy real estate guy trying to lay free claim to a valuable adjacent lot.
 
2012-09-18 10:24:50 PM

loonatic112358: simplicimus: Nah, nobody takes out the trash on the politics tab.

of course, it's late the dumps closed, just go throw it over a cliff


If only we could. The politics tab, that is.
 
2012-09-18 10:25:21 PM
("KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?")
 
2012-09-18 10:27:33 PM
I'd hope that since the city had cited him for the trash on the lot, estoppel prevents them from suing him for fixing the condition
 
2012-09-18 10:27:59 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Real estate guy owns property adjacent to the trash lot, says that he offered to buy it multiple times. The government has no records of any attempt to purchase or lease the property. He goes out to the local government and claims that the lot is a threat to him, and told not to do anything because he doesn't own the property, responding to him both verbally and in writing. He does so anyway. When confronted with this action, he responds:

"They don't like nice things," he said. "For a private developer to create a garden, it's a question of who gets credit. To do it without their blessing, you're basically insulting them."

Yes, truly that's what they cared about. Not that you were some sleazy real estate guy trying to lay free claim to a valuable adjacent lot.


Yes, the city owned the lot for 40 years and let it become a trash dump. Some guy fixes it up so his adjoing property looks better. How is that a problem? I'm sure you were just as upset with the occupy folks.
 
2012-09-18 10:29:50 PM

simplicimus: loonatic112358: simplicimus: Nah, nobody takes out the trash on the politics tab.

of course, it's late the dumps closed, just go throw it over a cliff

If only we could. The politics tab, that is.


well, one could always get drew drunk again in hopes he does so
 
2012-09-18 10:30:27 PM

simplicimus: Well, if you have 23 minutes to waste, Link. Just wait for it to come around again on the guitar.


I don't think I'd heard this version before
 
2012-09-18 10:31:27 PM

beefoe: Yes, the city owned the lot for 40 years and let it become a trash dump.


Please provide a citation to a source that says the city owned the lot for forty years.
 
2012-09-18 10:32:43 PM

simplicimus: I can't bring myself to mentally replay the whole thing, but, can you please tell me why this is a Thanksgiving tradition?

/taught myself the guitar riff in college - it seemed more useful at the time than actually studying.
//er, my FIRST college, who kicked me out for, um, not studying.

Well, if you have 23 minutes to waste, Link. Just wait for it to come around again on the guitar.



Got a timestamp? I seriously can't bring myself to listen to the whole thing.
 
2012-09-18 10:33:32 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: beefoe: Yes, the city owned the lot for 40 years and let it become a trash dump.

Please provide a citation to a source that says the city owned the lot for forty years.


What's the difference?
 
2012-09-18 10:33:34 PM
Insert link to Bill Burr comedy routine here.
 
2012-09-18 10:34:42 PM
Philly, another dumbass town I won't be visiting. I cannot believe that this guy is in trouble.

What got me more is that people objected to the 'gentrification' of that area. Do they WANT to be ghetto???

/wow. just wow.
 
2012-09-18 10:37:20 PM

loonatic112358: simplicimus: Nah, nobody takes out the trash on the politics tab.

of course, it's late the dumps closed, just go throw it over a cliff


s3.vidimg.popscreen.com
 
2012-09-18 10:37:34 PM

bdub77: Sounds like the government officials involved have a power complex. That and they didn't want to have to maintain the lot or have any liability for it so they put up big barriers and kept the weeds there to keep people from trespassing on it. Now that people can and will use the space, they have some liability for it which they have to pay for so they are pissed. They should just deal with it and sell the lot to the guy, but the guy has backed them into a corner to get the lot and now they would prefer to f*ck him over than work with him.


/Maybe the city gov't wanted to knock down the value of the area so that their developer buddies could get in there and do something, thus providing a kickback?

//friggin jerks they are.
 
2012-09-18 10:38:09 PM

Donnchadha: ("KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?")


You got a lotta nerve...
 
2012-09-18 10:39:53 PM
Who in the city pushed it? FIND HIM, FIRE HIM, fark HIM!
 
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